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The origin of zero is NOT ISLAMIC: First evidence of the symbol is discovered in the Indian Bakhshali manuscript dating back to the 3rd century


For years I have debunked the bogus claims of Islamic supremacists and their leftwing lapdogs in the media, cultural institutions, teachers, activists, etc. of claims of Muslim inventions. The origins of numerous scientific, medical and technical inventions claimed by Muslims were actually stolen from conquered peoples by Muslim invaders. The zero has long been one of those claims. Wrong. History has been scrubbed and manufactured Muslim myths are presented as fact.

Read: “1001 Muslim Myths and Historical Revisions” Breitbart 

“1001 Pieces of Islamist Propaganda: Fabricated Exhibit Comes to D.C.” PJ Media

It has long been one of the world’s greatest mathematical mysteries, but experts believe they have finally cracked the origin of the zero symbol. Scientists have discovered evidence of the symbol in the Indian Bakhshali manuscript – a mathematical text discovered in 1881

The origin of zero: First evidence of the symbol is discovered in the Indian Bakhshali manuscript dating back to the 3rd century

  • The Bakhshali manuscript was found in 1881 but has never been dated
  • Researchers used radiocarbon dating and found that it dates to the 3rd century
  • It contains a dot symbol throughout, which was develop into the zero symbol in the sixth century
  • It has long been one of the world’s greatest mathematical mysteries, but experts believe they have finally cracked the origin of the zero symbol.
  • Scientists have discovered evidence of the symbol in the Indian Bakhshali manuscript – a mathematical text discovered in 1881.
  • Carbon dating indicates that the manuscript dates from as early as the 3rd century, making it the world’s oldest recorded origin of the zero symbol that we use today.

By Shivali Best For Mailonline, 14 September 2017:

It has long been one of the world’s greatest mathematical mysteries, but experts believe they have finally cracked the origin of the zero symbol.

Scientists have discovered evidence of the symbol in the Indian Bakhshali manuscript – a mathematical text discovered in 1881.

Carbon dating indicates that the manuscript dates from as early as the 3rd century, making it the world’s oldest recorded origin of the zero symbol that we use today.

Researchers from the University of Oxford conducted the first ever radiocarbon dating on the Bakhshali manuscript and revealed that it dates from as early as the 3rd century – five centuries older than previously believed.

This means that the manuscript predates a 9th-century inscription of zero on the wall of a temple in Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh, which was thought to be the oldest example of a zero.

Professor Marcus du Sautoy, who led the study, said: ‘Today we take it for granted that the concept of zero is used across the globe and is a key building block of the digital world.

‘But the creation of zero as a number in its own right, which evolved from the placeholder dot symbol found in the Bakhshali manuscript, was one of the greatest breakthroughs in the history of mathematics.

We now know that it was as early as the 3rd century that mathematicians in India planted the seed of the idea that would later become so fundamental to the modern world.

‘The findings show how vibrant mathematics have been in the Indian sub-continent for centuries.’

The zero symbol that we use today evolved from a dot that can be seen throughout the Bakhshali manuscript.

The zero symbol that we use today evolved from a dot that can be seen throughout the Bakhshali manuscript

The zero symbol that we use today evolved from a dot that can be seen throughout the Bakhshali manuscript


The Bakhshali manuscript was found in 1881 by a local farmer.

The manuscript was buried in a field in a village called Bakhshali, near Peshawar, in what is now a region of Pakistan.

Since 1902, it has been housed in the Bodley Library at the University of Oxford.

But it will go on public display at the Science Museum in London as a centrepiece of the major exhibition Illuminating India: 5000 Years of Science and Innovation, opening 4 October 2017.

Rather than being used on its own, the dot was used as a ‘placeholder’ to indicate orders of magnitude in a number system – for example, the zero denoting a lack of tens in 101.

While the use of zero as a placeholder was seen in several different ancient cultures, including the Mayans, the researchers say the symbol in the Bakhshali manuscript it significant for two reasons.

Firstly, this dot evolved to have a hollow centre that we see in the zero symbol today.

And secondly, it was only in India that this zero developed into a number in its own right, when Brahmagupta, an Indian astronomer, wrote a text called Brahmasphutasiddhanta in the sixth century, which is the first document to discuss zero as a number.

Previous studies have suggested that Bakhshali manuscript dates from between the 8th and 12th century, based on the style of writing.

But the new carbon dating reveals that the manuscript, which consists of 70 fragile leaves of birch bark, is composed of material from at least three different periods.

Richard Ovenden, librarian at the Bodley Library, which houses the manuscript, said: ‘Determining the date of the Bakhshali manuscript is of vital importance to the history of mathematics and the study of early South Asian culture and these surprising research results testify to the subcontinent’s rich and longstanding scientific tradition.’

The Bakhshali manuscript will go on public display at the Science Museum in London as part of the exhibition Illuminating India: 5000 Years of Science and Innovation, opening 4 October 2017.

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  • Juan
    • Liatris Spicata

      Sorry, Juan, no habla espanol, but it looks interesting. Pray tell, what’s the gist of the article?

      • Jerry Dobson

        It’s an article like the one in english showing that the zero was used in the 3rd century

        • Liatris Spicata

          Thanks- I figured as much, but wondered if they had some additional significant information or perspective.

  • Suresh

    wait for a jihadi to steal it and destroy it so they can continue with their myth making lies from stolen glory.

    Like the jihadis their Left/Liberal media is also good at lies . Here’s fake news CNN style “Trump steals food from black kid”
    and some great info too

    Its Hilarious !

    • Ebayer
    • Liatris Spicata

      The predatory goons of Islam (the same kind of folks who burned the great library of Alexandria) didn’t have the foresight to think that this document might become significant 1000+ years later.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        The same kind of muslums that burned down the ancient Buddhist library of Nalanda — while killing all the pacifist Buddhist monks that ran the place.

  • Liatris Spicata

    This post surprised me. I made no concerted effort to determine what scholars thought about the origin of zero, but I have long been under the impression that the mathematical concept of zero (as opposed to yes, we have zero bananas) came from India and was brought to Europe via Moslem traders.

    • FortunateCookie

      Scholars have since long ago referred to our common numerals as Hindu-Arabic. Yes, muslims helped convey the number system from the Indian subcontinent -but Jihad was their own bloody idea.

  • PR Flint

    The zero is a “graven image” and must be destroyed.

  • livingengine
  • IzlamIsTyranny

    A pity, the concept of muslums inventing nothing seemed so appropriate.

  • Halal Boycott will end Islam

    I invented the question mark.

  • Mahou Shoujo

    Like everything else, muslims will blatantly steal from conquered peoples then claim their developments as islamic. islam has brought nothing to the world except ignorant violence and beggarly theft… well, a few diseases and starvation too.

    • santashandler

      Don’t forget new and improved cleaning techniques for removing goat blood from their dirty night shirts

      • Mahou Shoujo

        That is news, I thought they just left it there, allowing future accumulations of filth to cover it.

        • santashandler

          Yes, of course. What was I thinking. Goat blood and semen on a muzzies night shirt, are like medals on the uniform of a soldier. A badge of honor.

          • famouswolf

            Here’s one that will make everyone gag…again. I had an uncle who worked for Gulf in Egypt and Arabia back in the forties and fifties and he said that when trains he would be riding on business from one place to another stopped for pee breaks they would urinate right in plain sight and would clean one part of themselves, their penises. And they wear crap bags under their robes that they would empty by the tracks in full view of the train. Uncle Claude worked with them for over a decade, and he really had a negative opinion of them and their ‘culture’, and finally resigned from Gulf when he’d had enough. Oh, the stories he would tell.

          • santashandler

            I think all the Arab leaders still wear ‘crap bags.’ Probably just in case they want to throw their feces around, it’s readily available.

          • famouswolf

            Yuck. I wouldn’t doubt it.

          • mark

            You remember the first shoe throwing incident of that muslim…. well the story would have been a bit different only he forget he had not relieved himself in that shoe, before throwing it :)

          • knightsstrength

            They certainly did not learn from the Romans how to build sewers

          • famouswolf

            Nope, and Greco Roman civic improvements were pretty common thoughout the region when they started trashing it, too.
            One more strike against them, they won’t even adopt many good improvements.

          • mark

            Indeed, the arabs were so filthy muhamad had to teach them to wash, he likely noticed how the jews did not stink and found out why.

          • dnp77

            Filthier than most animals

          • Mahou Shoujo

            That is part of the shari’a dress code.

      • Suresh

        wait for a jihadi to steal the manuscript and destroy it so they can continue with their myth making lies from stolen glory.

        Like the jihadis their Left/Liberal media is also good at lies . Here’s fake news CNN style “Trump steals food from black kid”

        and some great info too

        Its Hilarious !

    • Islam has brought death, destruction, fear and misery where it has touched the earth.

      • knightsstrength

        Posted links above to enjoy and share with many

      • Mahou Shoujo

        There are 57 nations that are physical testimony to that.

        • famouswolf

          Sad truth, that. Sadder that so many in modern times are trying to attain that status for us all.

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            Back to using land rovers, might as well be selling yugo’s.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          And ~250 million people killed in the name of islum — and counting.

      • Trump can’t ban islam

        0 is not muslim…. who cares? In 2010 muslims were 0,9% of US population. Now in 2017 muslims are 2,6% of US population and growing! Muslims are reaching 51% of world population! Islam will dominate

        • Xmas Belle

          We all know your real name is Zahra Billoo
          -ugly in mind, ugliest in face (should wear a niqab).

        • Rob Porter

          If it ever dominates, five minutes later Muslims will fail, useless oxygen thieves who never invent anything and parasite off others to produce anything.

          • matterhorn

            As with oil, they didn’t know what it was, didn’t know it was there under the ground under their feet, and had to be shown how to pump it up.

    • Steve

      And islam destroyed a lot of the culture history making it harder to prove they stole it. Isis was a perfect example destroying churches, synogogues, temples, artwork, etc They also don’t like music because cultures often carry on their history that way.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        That is all islam is, destruction, ignorance and violence. islam brings nothing to humanity, it tries to destroy what exists as its demon is one of death and destruction, its profit a perfect example of a psychopath. Every muslim aspires to such loathsome ideals.

        • Rob Porter

          A pity you cannot get this into the thick bonehead, Trump’s NSA, H.R. McMaster who incessantly excuses Islam and denies the truth about it.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            He is getting paid by someone to be that way.

    • Harrie Mossel

      I learned at schools that the Mayas in Guatemala and Mexico used the zero in ancient times. it’s been 1000 years since I went to school, so I don’t remember the dates and further details, but what I still know is that their civilization was much, much older than the birth (or better said the abortion from hell) of the demonic cult founded by that horrible arab…
      In any case either the Mayas or the (real) Indians were first to use the zero.

      • Drew the Infidel

        Agreed. This is all sounding too familiar. During WWII, the Imperial Japanese were in the habit of emulating whatever stunts the Nazis were up to. When the Germans started making references to items in their ancient culture, the Japanese followed suit. The only problem is the Japanese did not even know how to write until the 4th Century when it was taught to them by the Chinese.

        • Harrie Mossel

          Hitler declared the Japanese “Honorary Aryans.” You can accuse them of anything but Aryans or caucasians they are not, Of course there is nothing wrong with that! As a matter of fact there is no merit in being blond, having blue eyes, etc.

          But this reminds me of an African family from Kenia living in Amsterdam (they used to be my neigbors), One of their daughters is called “Blondie!” You can accuse the girl of anything in the book but BLOND she ain’t! And “The lady’s eyes ain’t blue either! I can see the humor of it though, they laugh all the time, nice! I only hope the girl isn’t bullied at school.

          Thank you for the info concerning the Chinese teaching the Japanese the art of writing, something I had never heard before.

          • Drew the Infidel

            That passage is from “Tokyo Record”(’43) by Otto Tolischus, who was a wartime foreign correspondent for the NY Times. He was sent to Japan after being kicked out of German by the Nazis in ’40 for the uncomplimentary things he wrote in “Berlin Diary”. Both books are great reading if you like history.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          I couldn’t believe that historical stat. I had always assumed the Nippon culture was ahead of the Europeans in terms of literacy. I’ve also read the Japanese written language that isn’t Chinese was mostly invented by women who were prohibited from learning Chinese!

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          One of the earliest surviving examples of written Japanese is found, naturally enough, on swords.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Interesting, the indians have a lot to teach us, if we listen.

        • mark

          We had to teach the hindues not to throw the living wives of the deceased husbands onto the funeral pyre of the husband.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            True, they do have the opportunity to learn from us too.

          • Vasanth Kumar Nair

            Do you have any idea why this practice of “Sati ” came into practice Idiot? It was not because that it was custom but to stop the Islamic invaders to enslave and rape the Hindu wives after killing their husbands. Do you even know the fact that the Religion called Sikhs was created from the Hindus to resist this barbaric Muslim cult in spreading their vile beliefs. You evangelist invaders only saw what was left after the Islamic invasion and then declared that it was the Hindu practice. You know nothing about the rich culture the Hindus were known about all over the world so much that Columbus & Vasco da Gama & other sailors were searching around sailing around the world to locate India.

          • mark

            Oh i know a lot about hinduism,,, yuck

          • Duchess of Pork

            You’re right, the origins of the practice of Sati are not well known in the West, even amongst those of us who have studied Islam. Probably because that study tends to relate to Islam’s ambition to invade and conquer Christendom/Europe. But like you, those who now know the atrocities inflicted on Hindu, inform readers on the sites they visit.

          • Vasanth Kumar Nair

            Please Google Sati or Jauhar for more details..

            Sati is not mentioned in any of the Hindu scriiptures or vedas and this means that it was a practice started not by religious teachings but by human actions. This started in the 14th Century during the Islamic invasion of India. An Indian queen Rani Padmini commited suicide in her husbands pyre during the invasion by Allaudhin Khilji . This suicide became a major trigger as it got really extolled and praised by all sides. Suddenly temples were erected of her sacrifice and the suicide became something of a virtue. Rani Padmini became a popular figure after her death and since then widows jumping in fire became the norm in that territory. This practice spread to other kingdoms in India also.

            Sati was legally abolished when British were ruling India and since then the Evangelists started using it as a theme for conversions that entry of Christianity abolished Sati. That is why idiots like the other commenter Mark who claims to know Hinduism make such foolish remarks. Yes unlike the monotheist abrahamic religions Hinduism is not a rigid “My way or Highway’ type of enforced belief where no one is forced to attend temples and those who are atheists also can live harmoniously. Hinduism never invaded any country and tried to spread the religion but in fact created more religions from within like Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism without creating any conflict. At the same time Hindus welcomed other religions from other countries with open arms like Islam, Christianity, Zorastrians, Jews etc but Only Islam & christianity committed plunder, loot, massacres and rapes on Hindus.

      • Ronald Barnett

        Harrie Mossel, you are right. The Maya are not given the credit they deserve for discovering and using the symbol Zero in their calendar. During the Late Classic Period (ca. 400 BC-AD 100) they invented a complex calendar system with a fixed zero point of 3114 BC in the Long Count corresponding to our linear calendar. Not only did the Maya recognize the positional value of zero they also conceived of zero as an abstract concept. The Muslims were nowhere in sight at that time.

        • famouswolf

          Definitely have to check this out. I knew about their calendar, but really had no idea about the zero originating there.
          Never too old to learn something, I guess.

        • Harrie Mossel

          Yes, I remember about their calendar, it was very accurate. it is a pity the Spanish Conquistadores burned so much material because it was “pagan” in their eyes…
          I’ve been told that while other European universities were busy with the new discoveries of science, the scholars in Spanish universities spent lots of time debating whether the angels in heaven spoke Latin, Hebrew or Arameic… I don’t know whether this is true or not, but as the Italians say, “se non è vero è ben trovato!” (If this isn’t true, it has been made up very well!)

      • famouswolf

        Really, I’ll have to check that out. I thought it’s origin was northern India, the usage spread through Persia, then adopted by the Arabians, and at last the Europeans. The Maya had some very detailed calenders, but I didn’t know they used the concept of the zero. Can you give the source of this?

    • Rob Porter

      Just watch this discovery now portrayed as ‘Islamophobic’. For 900 to 1000 years Muslims have made no notable contribution to science. Why would they have done anything before that?

      • Mahou Shoujo

        islam never has and never will contribute anything but criminally insane violence to the world. As islam is a parasite, muslims must continually find supplies of carrion to live off of. This entails constant invasion and destruction of other countries and resources for islam to exist. If islam had to feed itself, there would be no significant number of muslims anywhere. muslims exist by theft and beggary, buggery and murder, their absence from the planet would be an improvement.

        • Rob Porter

          Well said – and still Western leaders don’t get it.

  • Oh my…It’s going to be a bad day….for someone

    On a lighter note, does anyone know the reason division by zero is not defined or not permitted?

    • FortunateCookie

      a = 21/3 so 3 x a = 21 and a = 7

      a = 18/2 so 2 x a = 18 and a = 9

      Try the same procedure with zero:

      a =21/0 so 0 x a = 21 but 0 x a = 0 (for any number a as in

      0 x 2 = 0, 0 x 37 = 0 etc} .

      So 0 x a = 21 contradicts 0 x a = 0 .

      a =18/0 so 0 x a = 18 but again 0 x a = 0.

      Same result any number n:

      a =n/0 so 0 x a = n but 0 x a = 0.

      So a = n/0 is indeterminate.

      In the loose expression 1/0 = infinity, the zero should be understood as some quantity which can be as small as you like but never actually zero.

      • So a = n/0 is indeterminate.

        In the loose expression 1/0 = infinity, the zero should be understood as
        some quantity which can be as small as you like but never actually

        Did I not mean that when I wrote?:

        …division by zero is not defined,,,

        • FortunateCookie

          “division by zero” is defined -it is defined as dividing any number by zero (Infinity is defined as 1 divided by zero but you’ll get into trouble if you try to use it with any standard arithmetic) but it’s usually not permitted because a= n/0 is indeterminate and that’s because any number multiplied by zero equals zero.

          Here’s the 3 times table;
          1×3 = 3 so 3/3 = 1 and (1×3)/3 = 1
          2×3 = 6 so 6/3 = 2 (2×3 )/6 = 1
          3×3 = 9 so 9/3 = 3 (3×3 )/9 = 1
          Every number multiplied by 3 gives a unique answer so the inverse process (division) is determined.

          Here’s the zero times table:
          1×0 = 0
          2×0 = 0
          3×0 = 0
          Every number multiplied by 0 gives the same answer (0) so the inverse process (division) is not determined.

          In the 3 times table, if the answer is 9 you get to 3 by division by 3.
          In the 3 times table, if the answer is 6 you get to 2 by division by 3.
          in the 0 times table the answer is always 0 so you cannot get back to a unique number by division by 0. Division by zero is indeterminate and so therefore it is not permitted.

          Suppose every lottery ticket had just the number 0 on it?
          Who would you give the prize to ? – nobody. It would be indeterminate because everybody has got the same number.
          But the winner in a lottery is determined by a unique number.

          This is my first and last tutorial.
          Who would be a teacher?
          Next time, read a book.

          • You would have been added to my block list, but DISQUS is protecting you.

        • JasonX

          No, dummy.
          Division by zero is not permitted because by division by zero is the man said.
          Not the same as not defined.

          • Welcome as New Kid On The Block (list) for being nasty.


          • Your linky is dinky.

    • I’m going to reply to myself–and the peanut gallery–for the reason that DISQUS is protecting “FortunateRookie”‘s account and I can’t place that name on my block list (The reply function is technically available for that name.)

      I, obviously, meant the same thing as the words he/she/it used. The answer that I had in mind to my question is a simple answer, but it requires an accurate conception of infinity in the context of mathematics.

      Would anyone else care to add anything before I give my answer? I will provide a giveaway hint from the final paragraph in the cookie-monster’s first reply to me above:

      In the loose expression 1/0 = infinity, the zero should be understood as some quantity which can be as small as you like but never actually zero.

      (Emphasis mine.)

      Which of 1, 0 and “infinity” are quantities?–as the cookie-monster characterized 0 “as some quantity?”

      1×0 = 0
      2×0 = 0
      3×0 = 0

      All three above are incorrect

  • Ego

    Simon Harris has a series of videos on “Debunking the Golden Age of Islam” here:
    including “Debunking The Golden Age Of Islam #1 Why 1001 Inventions Exhibition Is Cultural Propaganda!”

  • Semur Jengkol

    the west invented everything … including filthy and incoherent lifestyles …

    but one thing they can’t : finding the meaning of live …. hehehehhe

    • famouswolf

      No, we didn’t, but we don’t lie about it and we have indeed contributed more than any other period, all in the last few hundred years.
      Whereas, you and your ‘culture’ have contributed nothing but rapine, murder and pillage…and filthy and incoherent lifestyles.
      There, fixed it for you.

      • Semur Jengkol

        of course … many western inventions indeed ..

        but you need to get a mirror too …

        need only to flashback several decades ago when europe was a center of human tragedy … a full of history of violence ….like imperialism …indigenous genocide … WW1 ..WW2…communism brutality ..nazism … dictatorism .. racism …etc etc …..

        • famouswolf

          That’s called ‘history’, you filthy ape. The West has NEVER engaged in the sort of depraved systemic destruction, subjugation and internecine constant warfare, cruelty and misogyny that you bastards engage in on a daily basis. You have never contributed anything to the human race except misery, and many forms of suffering and horrible death, unlike the West. With you it’s not just history, it’s an endemic disease. You are like rabid dogs, dangerous to everyone and everything including yourselves. The West is superior in every way, and that’s why you are so very desperate to destroy and smear with your lying false equivalencies and phony apologetics.
          You are making a big, big mistake attacking the West as you are…I can’t wait until you push it too far.

          • Semur Jengkol

            The West has NEVER engaged in the sort of depraved systemic destruction, subjugation etc ???????????

            hahahahahaha ……thanks for afternoon laugh ……. i fell better now …

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            “I fell better now …” Next time fall off a 10 story building.

    • santashandler

      You people will fu*k a goat at the drop of a hat and you call the west ‘filthy?’

      • Semur Jengkol

        i am not sure how did you get the idea that goat fu*king is part of islamic teaching …

        … let alone it’s institutionalized in muslims society ….

        …but on your part … thing for sure … goat’s lifestyles has long been an essential part of secular liberal society ..

        do i need to go further with details …???

        just a hints: free sex culture ….. swinger parties …. gangbang festivals … etc etc etc …

        those filthy inhuman incoherent behaviors have long been enshrined as expression of your freedom & liberty ..


        • santashandler

          Oh, I’m sorry. Perhaps I got goat fu*king confused with child marriages, which is ‘part of islamic teaching,’ right sport?

          If ‘goat lifestyles’ have been a part of liberal society, wouldn’t surprise me in the least. They are your fellow travelers, not mine.
          “Gang bang” festivals?” What magazine are you reading? Do you live underground somewhere. Got a clue for you, sport. Nobody uses that term “gang bang festivals.” But, keep using it. Makes you sound real smart. Like a real insider. Cheers!

          • Semur Jengkol

            …dont you know it was common in europe in early 20th century of young marriage as early as 12years old ???

            Isabella of France (9 November 1389 – 13 September 1409) was Queen consort of England as the second spouse of King Richard II. Her parents were King Charles VI of France and Isabeau of Bavaria. She married the king at the age of seven …….

            Early marriage was common during that century …for strengthening inter-clan alliance, survival situation …etc

          • moira

            You get the History Channel by satellite I guess.
            (And you watch a lot porn because life in the jungle is boring.)
            But you don’t seem to know who the Ayatollah Khomeini is? Try watching something about Iran and stay focused while you are watching.

          • Semur Jengkol

            suppose that Ayatollah Khomeini wrote that book ….

            then what ???

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            May the lice and fleas of a thousand camels infest your pubes and choda Indonesian monkey.

          • Semur Jengkol

            dirty low creature speaks dirty stuff ….

            thats common and normal …

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Muslum monkey want a banana?

          • mark


        • Lynn D

          Actually, your sainted Ayatollah Khomeini wrote in his little green book, that having sex with goats donkeys and camels was perfectly okay, The only ruling he put on it was that if you ejaculate then your village cannot eat that animal. However, it was okay to sell the animal to the next village.. We in the west think you lot having sex with little girls, like Mohammed, and litttle boys. like bacha barzi… is digusting and criminal.. You are just jealous you don’t have the freedoms we in the West enjoy. ha ha ha

          • Semur Jengkol

            oh no … Ayatollah Khomeini ?? …the founder of islam ???? …..hehehehehheh

            Yeah …to be honest .. i am so jealous with your wild filthy animalistic freedom …

            i am so jealous of your gangbang festival …. swinger wife swapping parties … and other goat lifestyles behavior ….etc etc …. heehehehehe…

            Btw …dont you know it was common in europe in early 20th century of young marriage as early as 12years old ???

            Isabella of France (9 November 1389 – 13 September 1409) was Queen consort of England as the second spouse of King Richard II. Her parents were King Charles VI of France and Isabeau of Bavaria. She married the king at the age of seven …….
            Early marriage was common during that century …for strengthening inter-clan alliance, survival situation …etc

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            But 6 won’t get you 12 retarded muslum monkey.

        • mark


          • Semur Jengkol

            sexual perversions ??????? … can’t see dinosaurus in your room ??????

            it’s even forbidden for muslim males to use wife’s “backdoor” for pleasure ….

          • mark

            Funny that backdoor bit, but of course you know it is very islamic, its mentioned in quran…. to do it

    • yiyoya

      You’re wrong Semur, we in the West did not invent everything. We did not invent Islam, that was invented by a delusional, psychopath, schizophrenic, pedophile, mass-murderer, slave-owner, slave-trader, rapist, named Mohammed, who heard voices in his head, maybe because he drank so much camel urine that the camel toxins made him have hallucinations.

      • Semur Jengkol

        is that’s true ??? … but he is the most influential person in human history …

        how can that happen ??

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Hitler were all “influential” as well Indoneisan muslum monkey. Stick to picking bananas and banging your head on the floor for allah it’s all you’re good for.

          • Semur Jengkol

            so you want to live up and promote Salin’s …Mao’s and Hitler’s teaching today ????

            good luck weirdo …..


          • IzlamIsTyranny

            MuhamMUD’s teachings are just as bad, if not worse.

    • moira

      “the meaning of live” ?
      Still in your mud hut in Indonesia with a bucket toilet (a filthy lifestyle) with a smeared English grammar textbook?

  • AlgorithmicAnalyst

    India had achieved a high level of mathematical development during that period.

  • yiyoya

    “The rational faculty is an attribute of the individual. There is no such thing as a collective brain. There is no such thing as a collective thought.” – Ayn Rand

    Neither peoples nor mobs discover or invent a damn thing – INDIVIDUALS do. And when an INDIVIDUAL discovers or invents a revolutionary idea or product they have usually been mocked or hated in their lifetimes for upsetting the status quo and the powers that be (Galileo). Which ever INDIVIDUAL first came up with the idea of zero, he was probably mocked and thought a fool by the idiots surrounding him, and told to put that thing away and STFU, or else.

    Of course the Muslims didn’t build that, Ayn Rand’s futuristic dystopian parable, “Anthem”, outshines both “1984” and “Brave New World” by showing one inescapable and illuminating insight into a totalitarian world, the almost total collapse of technology and innovation. Ayn Rand, unlike Orwell or Huxley understood that in any kind of totalitarian dictatorship it is man’s mind and rational faculty that is under attack, and it is the men of the mind that disappear first, taking their thinking and innovations with them.

  • famouswolf

    No surprise. Every advancement that the moslems lay claim to actually originated with another culture, one they conquered and subjugated at some point. Greco-Roman, Jewish, Persian, Indian, even Axumite and Mongol.
    What useless self serving and self deluded pissants they are. They know only how to rob, rape and pillage, and at that they have absolutely no peers in history.

    • santashandler

      Well, perhaps they can take credit for the early models of the ‘crap bags.’

      • famouswolf

        LOL, I sort of doubt it. They were not the first desert dwelling nomads in the region. It was probably something the Bedouins or a similar people came up with.
        I don’t think the moslem scum have ever come up with anything original or useful on their own, except maybe new methods of sadistic execution and/or maiming.

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  • knightsstrength

    Ancient times, they would have had a zero, as buildings would not exist. One always had a starting point, we may not have used the word zero, it may have been back to start, beginning.

  • Bishadi

    The original terrorists of the middle east were/are irgun zionist.
    The apartheid is the rube of the whole middle east pursuit. The quest for ‘zion’ is just stupid wrong.

    • famouswolf

      Oh, really?
      The Zealots killed a lot of Romans, and vice versa. Then the Romans dispersed the Jews…all the Jews…from their homeland, Judea, and renamed the area Palestina. That’s right, the name you throw around was first used by the real conquerers in their effort to disperse and destroy the Jewish resistance. That’s the ONLY way Jews ever resembled ‘terrorists’. They were Zealot rebels, what the modern ‘Palestinians’ just pretend to be while about their unfocused hate and murder.
      Read some damned history before you post here…no one is buying your garbage.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Bar Kochba initially defeated the Romans, but after they mobilized legions all the way from Northwestern Europe he should’ve realized the game was up. I’m surprised he didn’t seek an alliance w/the Persian Empire — I’m sure they had no love for the Romans.

        • famouswolf

          Yep. Not too many know about that episode.
          The Romans could be thorough when they got really stirred up. As for the Persians, yeah, they were a thorn in the Roman’s side all the way into the Byzantine period. Maybe they did seek an alliance with them, but they probably considered them as bad or worse than the Romans so I doubt it.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            I thought the Jewish people historically had an excellent relationship w/the Persians (i.e. when they were still Zoroastrians and not filthy slaves to allah)? Wasn’t it the Jewish people who coined the term Cyrus the Great?

          • famouswolf

            I don’t know. Remember the story of Daniel? But I guess that was earlier, wasn’t it. Much.
            It seems the Jewish people have always been on the outs one way or another, throughout their existence. I do think overall Rome was definitely the worst, though.

    • Topaz

      Sadly, extremists on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict have committed horrible acts….from the massacre at Deir Yassin–which killed 100 Palestinian men, women, and children–to the mass-bombings and stabbing attacks against Israeli civilians today, there’s been too much violence there.

      Both the Israeli children and Palestinian children deserve better than to grow up with such violence.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Your argument of false equivalence won’t work here muslum. The f’ing muslums invaded Israel w/genocidal intent on three separate occasions.

        • Topaz

          For your information, I’m not Muslim. And I wasn’t trying to downplay the horror Israelis have gone through.

          I was just pointing out real historical events that happened–the Deir Yassin massacre was real, and so are the homicide bombings against innocent Israelis.

          I know Arab countries invaded Israel, and I don’t condone that for one second. I don’t condone any violence….all I was saying was the massacres that have been happening there are horrible, and the children in the crossfire deserve better.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            The Deir Yassin “massacre” only happened lying sh!tstain because the f’ing muslums were using the village as a firebase to attack convoys trying to get to Yerushalem — which was under siege at the time. Please FOAD.

          • Topaz


            The Haganah self-defense force of Israel denounced the Deir Yassin massacre, because they didn’t support such a destructive attack. Rabbis living nearby also condemned it.
            I’m also aware of the crimes Arab forces committed against Israelis, and those are just as horrible as what happened in Deir Yassin.

            Obviously we disagree on a lot, but all I meant to say in my comment was there’s been horrible violence in the middle east for decades and that Israeli and Palestinian children who are trapped in the middle of all this hatred, death, and destruction deserve better.

            If you want me to “F— off and die” or if you want to call me a “lying sh!istain” for discussing real events, and saying kids there deserve better….more power to you. Say whatever you want.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            The f’ing muslums were fighting house to house retard — they weren’t giving up.

          • Topaz

            My point is that civilians on both sides have been killed in all these years of war. That’s all I’ve been trying to say; how tragic it is.

            You have a right to call me “retard” if you want, but name-calling won’t solve anything. That kind of talk doesn’t help get your point across; it just makes people more defensive.

            I don’t know you, but you obviously have strong opinions. I disagree with a lot of the things you say, but I do respect your right to say them.

            Just suggesting that insults and curse words are only adding to the political hatred today, and if we have any hope of solving anything, people need to be able to talk civilly and debate in constructive ways.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Excuse me, but the f’ing muslums were using Deir Yassin as a fire base from which to launch attacks against convoys of food, water and medical supplies being brought in to relieve the siege of Jerusalem. The f’ing muslum monkeys hid themselves and their weapons among the civilians of Deir Yassin — just like the f’ing muslums hid weapons and ammo in mosques, hospitals and homes in Gaza during operation Cast Lead and sited Katuysha rocket launchers and rockets in civilian neighborhoods in Southern Lebanon. The f’ing muslums in Deir Yassin DISGUISED themselves as civilians lying sh!tstain and holed up in civilian homes!

          • Halal Boycott will end Islam

            Israelis, and especially soldiers are the most decent humane people on the planet. No other people in the history of the human race have shown such humility and restraint.

            If you plan on spending your time on forums insinuating that Israelis kill children for no reason, I genuinely think you need to spend some time in Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank, Lebanese border and tel Aviv.

            Report back on your findings, please.

          • Topaz

            I wasn’t suggesting Israelis today are murdering children, I was talking about a massacre in 1948. My point was that violence has gone on since long before the 1940s into today, and it’s horrible that Palestinian and Israeli kids are trapped in it.

      • Bishadi

        end zionism and peace is possible. but there never will be a temple on that mount for animal sacrificing, again!

    • Halal Boycott will end Islam

      The United Nations sanctioned the state of Israel because they thought it would ‘civilise’ the middle east.

      You can no more civilise a savage than teach a dog to make a cup of coffee.

      • Bishadi

        The apartheid state israel is what to boycott

        quote: “””””The United Nations sanctioned the state of Israel because they thought it would ‘civilise’ the middle east.”””””

        Answer: is that in writing because it is down right stupid.

        quote: “””You can no more civilise a savage than teach a dog to make a cup of coffee””””

        Answer: I know, giving zionist a state just made the dogs (zionist bigots) think that god did it when it is 100% forced and oppression, not the democracy of the people.

        • Halal Boycott will end Islam

          I don’t see having the right to vote as apartheid. I see the lack of right to vote in most Muslim countries as apartheid or something far worse.

          Gaza and the West Bank are just no-go zones created by Muslims the same as which are now springing up in Europe. Extrapolating your predicate, Sweden is now an apartheid state.

          • Bishadi

            bigots and idiots like to point elsewhere, when the problem is Israelis oppression of Palestine over that stupid hill, ‘zion’.
            The no go zone, is that ‘zion’ will never be a temple to sacrifice animals ever again!
            Israel is the apartheid and you don’t like facing reality!

          • Halal Boycott will end Islam

            The reality is that Jews and Arabs in that region will never get on. It is a matter of very basic human principles such as manners, which Palestinians do no have. Manners maketh civilizations.

            That is a synopsis of the issue on a micro level.

            On a perhaps more pragmatic macro level Israel will always exist and become more powerful because on average Christians, Hindus, Seikhs and Buddhists like Jews more than Muslims.

            Hmm, now I think about it, maybe it is always about manners.

          • Bishadi

            there are Palestinian christian, jews, bahai, and muslim, are you suggesting the water in the holeee land is just nasty or that zionist are just not civilized and closer to neanderthal.
            I don’t like any religion that worships……… anything but oppressing humn beings for the idolatry of a zion, has got to be the stupidest thing a person can do next to worship.

          • Halal Boycott will end Islam

            As you said Zionism is nothing to do with religion.

            It is about establishing a strategic base from which to either convert or destroy Islam.

            The CIA and Mossad are even maintaining a forensic archaeology operation ready to analyse Mohammed’s tomb and debunk Islam.

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    • Semur Jengkol

      hey Anthony Edwards …..better you delete your comments quick … !!

      Its dangerous for you !! … Thats is ignorance !!

      you will loose your job quick … with your comments I copied below :

      anthony edwards :

      • Halal Boycott will end Islam

        Hey Semur Jengkol, you will now be involved in any litigation forthwith and rended to the authorities under extradition treaties for both appellants and witnesses.

        You won’t be prosecuted yourself, but the media will get a look at you.

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    • mark

      Come on, muslims did invent the wheel.. of course later, others improved on the design by changing it from square, to round.

  • Ioan

    I don’t think it makes a difference who started using the zero….I wouldn’t be surprised if several cultures thought of it at times, and we might not know when exactly because some of the records may have been lost. Just an opinion.

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    Cultists Thugs

  • Very well said, almost everything that the Arab Caliphates claimed was “borrowed” largely from the ancient civilizations they forcibly conquered, whether it was India or Egypt or Persia.

  • Lynn D

    When the mussies say they invented zero… They really mean zip, nothing, de nada, . Not ONE invention they claim was ever invented by them.. The inventions were stolen from cultures they invaded… the numerals, they stole from India, same with their mathematics.

    • PurpleGiraffe

      Lynn D ,please read Islamic Jihad,if you already haven’t.Many “interesting” facts will be discovered.I am surprised this book by an Ex-Muslim Mr.M.A.Khan from an Indian city of Hyderabad hasn’t been banned and this writer beheaded.

      • Lynn D

        Thanks, I’ll add it to my other books… One that I found was a real insight into the muslim character was “A God who Hates” by ex muslim Wafa Sultan.

        • PurpleGiraffe

          Thanks LynnD.Will have to read this.I have noticed this lady being mentioned, probably on this forum.Unfortunately,all ex-Muslims are dismissed by mainstream media AS WELL AS the readers /common man at large.Predictably,Muslims hate them and dub them demented.

  • Dennis Durkop

    Muslims are thieves just like their so-called great advances in math, astronomy and geometry are all by those they conquered by oppression mostly Jews in Baghdad! Muslims are cursed by Satan as Allah is Satan if one reads the right verses in the Qur’an:

    According to the Bible, Allah is Satan. Qur’an 1:1 indicates that Muslims worship the god of this world who is Satan who is known as the best deceiver and who leads people astray.

    Let us look at what both the Bible and the Qur’an say to prove this point.

    Qur’an 1:1 states that Allah is the god (lord) of this world:

    1The praise be to Allah, the lord of the worlds. Allah is Satan as it is written throughout the Qur’an. The Bible states in 2 Corinthians 4:4 that the god of this world is Satan: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    Both verses in Qur’an 3:54 and 8:30 state that Allah is the best deceiver:

    And they deceived, and Allah deceived. And Allah is the best deceiver. What does the Bible say about this? Revelation 20:10 tells us: And the devil that deceived them…

    Qur’an 35:8 states that Allah leads people astray:

    8…So surely Allah leads astray whom he wills and guides whom he wills. Does God lead people astray? No. Then who does the Bible say wants to lead people astray and keep them from having eternal life through Jesus Christ? Satan leads people astray. 1 Peter 5:8 tells us that Satan walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, and Revelation 12:9 states: The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray…

    Qur’an 38:85 and 11:119 both state that Allah desires to fill hell with people:

    85…surely I will fill hell from you and from those who followed you from among them together. 119 …“I will surely fill hell with the jinn and the people together.”

    What does the Bible say about people? God wants us to be with Him in heaven. He even sent His Son, Jesus, to die on the cross to pay for our sins so that people can have a way to live eternally in heaven with Him. He does not want any to perish. John 3:16 states:

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    More characteristics of Allah

    Allah is not God because Allah is proud. Qur’an 59:23 states:

    23He is Allah. There is no god except him… the proud. But the God of the Bible is meek and lowly in heart. Matthew 11:29 states: Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart….

    Allah is a seditionist. Qur’an 25:20 states:

    20…and we made some of you to be a sedition to some others…

    Allah is a seducer. Qur’an 11:34 states:

    34And my advice will not profit you, if I desire to advise you, if Allah was desiring to seduce you….

    Allah is abominable. Qur’an 10:100 states:

    100And it was not for a soul to believe except by Allah’s permission, and he will lay the uncleanness on those who will not understand…

    Allah is wrathful. Qur’an 2:59 states:

    59So those who were unjust changed the saying to what had not been said to them, so we sent down on those unjust a wrath from the heaven because they were transgressors.

    See also Qur’an 7:162.

    Allah is a misleader. Qur’an:4:88 states:

    88…And whomever Allah leads astray, so you will not find for him a way.

    But the God of the Bible is a true leader. See Proverb 3:5-6.

    Allah is a schemer. Qur’an 68:45 states:

    45…surely my scheme is firm. Also Qur’an 86:16 states: 16and I am scheming a scheme.

    Allah spreads hate. Qur’an 5:14 states:

    14…so we have stirred up enmity and hatred among them….

    The more we read the Qur’an, the more we know that Allah is Satan.

  • Steve

    The golden age of islam – rip off all the gold you can and the profitable inventions and call them your own.

    • famouswolf

      …and then take a big dump on all of it.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      We’ll never know how many works of antiquity were lost when the f’ing muslums burned down the ancient library of Alexandria or the ancient Buddhist library of Nalanda.

  • JohnLobo

    Has anybody, ANYBODY, taken this blatant lie serious? It would be a major scandal if they did.
    There is some argument about exactly where and when the concept of zero was invented, but one thing is absolutely certain, it was NOT invented by Muslims.
    The concept and utilisation in its modern sense almost certainly originated in India, which already had a long tradition of mathematical knowledge centuries prior to the birth of Mohammed.
    The problem that the world faces now is that the “progressive left” and its partners in propaganda the MSM will believe and distribute any lie or distortion that Islam wishes to propagate.
    And while I am on the subject of mathematics. We refer to “Arabic” numerals. They are not Arabic in origin, they are Indian. Even a cursory examination of numbers in the Devanagari script will show the similarity between those and western numerals.

  • bannedquran20

    LOL!! neighbor, we call our numbers arabic numerals. But the arabs got them from the Hindus and took the credit We should call our numbers Hindu numerals. Incidentally, it was the Christian dhimmis who translated back into Greek and Latin and again muslim zombies got the credit. islam got its knowledge just like it got its wealth, from theft and violence. In fact neighbor, islam cannot sustain any intellectual effort, Their own scholars cannot do the work due to the limitations of the dogma of islamic thought.

  • Drew the Infidel

    If muslimes are such “brainiacs”, name one, just one, of their contributions to science, medicine, art, culture, or any other benefit or enrichment of mankind. Better yet, name one brand of classic automobile they are responsible for being on the market in modern times. Those AK-47s on which they are so reliant are of Russian origin and manufacture.

    Once the US becomes totally energy independent and enters the export market, the ragheads will be back in the goat business overnight.

  • PurpleGiraffe

    Nothing new.

    M.A.Khan ( ex-Muslim—whatever that means) has in his Islamic Jihad has mentioned on page 202 that an Indian Mathematician Brahmagupta had earlier ideas of Algebra.These were combined with Greek work and Algebra was born and in turn was”attributed” to Muhammad ibn Musa Al Khwarizimi .The Arabs knew Brahmagupta’s Brahmsiddhanta as SindHind.An Indian scholar brought two seminal works on mathematics to Baghdad in 770.

    The fantastic Islamic art and architecture was appropriated by Arabs when they invaded Persia,Syria,Egypt,some Central Asian republics and India.Nothing of repute existed in Saudi Arabia.

  • Alleged-Comment

    LOL! Moslem donkey, er bull sh it.

  • Ichabod Crain

    While it appears then we cannot attribute the invention of zero to the Muslims, we are still indebted to them for a major contribution to astronomy. It was they who determined that the Sun sets in a muddy pool of water. Not sure where that pool is though. Perhaps mounted on the back of a great turtle.

  • veduz

    Well, that rounds things up.

  • mark

    Muslims only invented claiming they invented things they did not, in order to try to hide the darkness of thought and learning which islam brings.

    • Halal Boycott will end Islam

      Is that you, Mark?

  • mark

    Great joke I saw recently on how muslims invented the first durex using goats intestines and how later the british improved it by taking the intestines out of the goat… lol.

    • Semur Jengkol

      muslims having sex with goats ???? …… thats kind of weird …..

      …but what i know is the west imitates the whole life styles of goats … and enshrines and glorify it under the banner of freedom of expression …

      liberal sex ….swinger parties …. gangbang festivals ….. nude contest … wife swapping gathering ….porn culture ….hedonism ….. etc etc …


      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Bacha Bazi boy dance off contests!

      • mark


      • Halal Boycott will end Islam

        Mossad and the CIA for the last 30 years having a team of forensic archaeologists ready to dissemble Mohammed’s tomb at Medina to discredit Islam.

        DNA experts ready to prove he was no more than a pile of syphilitic pus for most of this life, most likely from sex with children the most prolific carriers of these infections. The associated hallucinations from syphilis will debunk Islam once and for all.

        The oil and the money is running out now honey, and Muslims don’t know how to be economically productive. tick tick tick. hehehehe

      • mark

        But you know muhamad did it

  • mark

    Muslims invented the toilet seat.

    The kind jews, years later showed them how to make a hole in the seat.

  • Stephen Honig

    the only thing that Muslims contributed to the world are: Murder, torture, rape, slavery, dominance of the non Muslim world. Does that sound like God’s people?

  • CrystalDawn0603

    Our numbering system is Indian, brought along the Silk Road

  • Halal Boycott will end Islam

    David Starkey, the historian elucidates on the Islamic contribution to civilisation (spoiler alert: this contains a Pakistani Muslim being humbled).

    • yiyoya

      At 1:55, the early days of Islam were glorious? Islam was open to free speech, reason, rationality, logic, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, science? In the early days of Islam it was open, diverse, welcoming, it accepted challenge? Really? Somewhere along the line the Koran, the Hadiths, the Sunna, and Sharia Law were rewritten or misinterpreted? So all we have to do is go back to original Islam and things will be glorious once again? LOL! LOL! LOL!

    • Steve

      I think Starkey is trying to reason in a Western way with a theocratic cult that is inherently so different from the West it is absurd to believe we will ever get along other than a few individuals here and there. Look around and every day you see the truth.

  • Steve

    One day if muslamists continue to kill and destroy in their murderous and violent, uh peaceful and tolerant ways Jesus will be known to one and all as allah’s son.

  • Halal Boycott will end Islam

    I always knew the claim that Muslims invented zero would amount to nothing.

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  • ninetyninepct

    They seemed to be pretty good at architecture centuries ago. What happened that they reverted to Neanderthals?

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