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New York: Anti-America Trump Haters March vs. Patriotic ♥ Rally #BuildthatWall


On June 3, 2017, I caught two rallies that went from Dump Trump to Support President Trump. What a day.

FIRST: “The March For Truth” – Foley Square, NYC – 10:30 am.

It was billed as a non-partisan “Search for Truth.” But their signs reveal what rubes they really are — again.

See Flickr slide show for the many pithy posters and slogans. Typically, some were rude and crude.


Two patriots, “Trump 2020”  and “YOU Lost” countered the “Dump Trump” anarchists, confounding the Leftists, wiped the smile from the collective when they caught a glimpse of the counter protest.

It put a smile on my face ….

They scoffed and marched on … naively committed to their search for “truth,” aka agitprop. After all, why would anyone oppose their “March For Propaganda”?

At approximately 11:30, the happy snowflakes spilled out of their pen as they began their march down Broadway, playfully bouncing to the music as they held their snarky messages for all to see.


A March to SAVE Democracy.  Oh, Puhlease….

++After the March –  Headed UP TOWN +++

Now it was the “Rally for the Wall” at Trump Tower, hosted by the America First Foundation, Inc, with special patriot freedom fighters at LIVE From America .

Posted by LIVE From America on Thursday, May 25, 2017

RALLY FOR THE WALL BLOCK PARTY  had a message for President TRUMP”

“We have your back Mr. President and we have the funds and determination to help secure our southern border. Bring your flags and your support for our POTUS and this wall and be ready to march to Trump Towers.  We need you. Your President needs you. Your country needs YOU!”

It was approximately 12:15 when I arrived. They seemed to be from out-of-state, which might be why there was a smallish turnout.

But the speaker I heard was solid and made a reasonable case for why we need to protect our borders.

It was nice to see Americans gathered out side Trump Tower in support of President Trump’s pledge to “Build the Wall.”

A respite from the many hostile actions at this location, slandering his nascent administration while calling for impeachment.

Flickr Slide show:


Hope to see more of these “Support The President” rallys to counter the shocking violence towards anything or anyone Republican. Sad times that need fixin’.

Next up, a protest outside the reinterpreted Julius Caesar with the Assassination of a sitting President.

++ Pictures and videos property of Pamela Hall++

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  • Suresh

    Trump is not smart enough. Like Obama he should fund Pro-Republican organisations to counter saudi/qatar/Soros funded rallies.

    And use their violence to go after their funders for promoting violence and sue the funders for damages and Lies/defamation.

    Left/Liberal Loons have bought and sold the “Islam is religion of
    peace” while ignoring the history of jihad and the present active
    ongoing jihadi attacks .

    While Muslim youths practice the art of torturing and beheading infidels to prepare for future jihadi attacks !

    Left/Liberal Loons Run away when they are attacked !

  • overboosted ✓ᴰᴱᴾᴸᴼᴿᴬᴮᴸᴱ

    LOL @ “saving democracy” by railroading and removing from office the democratically elected president. At the same level as the fascist “antifa” lefties.

    • Mahou Shoujo

      They wear “stupid” well.

  • Dan Knight

    When a Leftist calls you a Nastie … you know you’re defending the actual victims of their Hate Ideology.

  • Gary Fowler

    Don’t like Trump? Then MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND STFU! He was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED by those of us who were sick to death of Obama’s bullshit! Jesus. What’s so difficult to figure out about that?

    There lived a Japanese Fleet Admiral during WW2 who said, “We would never invade America. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass.” I’m PRETTY DANG SURE the Muslims aren’t gonna be able to take over the U.S. with their bullshit “Sharia Law,” most especially in the southern Bible Belt! They will all be dead if they try! So STFU about the damn Muslims!

    • Mahou Shoujo

      If every American that likes bacon and beer fires one shot, muslims will be able to run on a bridge of lead all the way back to mecca.

      • Steve

        Speaking of shots have you seen this one on your end?

        • Mahou Shoujo

          This is apartheid Canada under caliph justin the dim, islam is being pushed on everyone. Elections have consequences, Canada’s massively larger debit under the caliph is another of the benefits of shari’a.

          • AlgorithmicAnalyst

            Justin the Dim … love it :)

            Speaking of budgets, I was reading earlier where some European countries are already at the point of having their budgets busted by costs of immigration.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            That is inevitable, despite socialisms theories and stupid intentions, like has been frequently mentioned, socialism only lasts as long as some one else’s money does. The whole of western europe will be a poor version of Greece.

          • mztore

            What will the invaders do when they run out of other people’s money?

          • Mahou Shoujo

            They will turn everywhere they are into the sewers they came from.

          • satcatchet

            They will follow Venezuela’s march.

        • santashandler

          Wow. Great video. Just lost all desire for ever going to Canada. Canada is officially, as a nation, on the path to empowering jihadi’s and their destructive idealogy.

          • Steve

            Yes, it seems unbelievable but it’s being enabled. And some people think the NRA is a useless radical right-wing organization!

          • santashandler

            Useful idiots paid by the unseen hand to say that, perhaps.

      • aebe

        Better , if only half of us fired-Having to swim the rest of the way would be good for them .

      • Gill Payne

        Please don’t incite counter violence. I understand the frustration…..but there is a difference between defending your freedom and family, and unnecessary violence. This is stooping to their barbaric level.

        • Richard Canary

          It may come as a shock to some, but the whole idea of using death as a bargaining tool by Muslims is the deal-breaker for peaceful conclusion of our deifferences with them.

          If a man shoves a gun in your face, you have no choice but to kill him by any means available. So it is with Islam. Barbarism is best controlled only by retaliation with more barbarism.

          Please stop telling those who want peace between nations and cultures to fight agression with peaceful means. Please try to grow up and face the responsibilities of the human race, which unfortunately include some rather nasty choices. Those who want to destroy your culture give you only three choices: live as a Muslim under sharia, pay a heavy tax and be treated like dirt for your whole life, or death.

          Why in the world would any nation allow people whose basic political beliefs include THE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF YOUR GOVERNMENT for the purpose of imposing totalitatrianism on you, your family and all your neighbors?

          This is the insanity of the liberal mind-set. And it is lethal.

          • Gill Payne

            Richard Canary, I am definitely NOT a liberal and I understand the importance of defending and fighting off the enemy when they declare war on freedom. However, this is a deliberate attack on members of that mosque who may not be the actual perpetrators or instigators of violence. If they decided to riot on the streets and threatened to kill, ….then by all means use strength and deal to them…..but seriously, this type of retaliation is not the answer.
            PS. I do not support the leftist mindset of being PC by trying to negotiate or appease Islamist militants. Our Govt’s SHOULD be a lot stronger and tougher…..but do it in an organised and appropriate way targeting the militant perpetrators and agitators. There are some muslims who actually live in fear and are just trying to keep their head down and not get killed by other Islamists themselves. So lets think before we act impulsively.

          • satcatchet

            I’m glad you said, “may not be”.clears the air abit.

          • Time for the KO

            Sitting on our a$$es for several years watching the weekly Pisslamic terrorists killing our countrymen and doing nothing about it before we finally act, as this dude did in England, would hardly be considered impulsive. We have demonstrated infinite patience SO FAR.

          • Gill Payne

            Agreed! But do you think that by becoming a terrorist in return makes us any better than them. There is a better way to deal with this. And btw self-defence and protecting ones family or community is definitely ok with me…..but MURDER is NOT!

          • Gill Payne

            PS. Let them OPENLY and arrogantly declare war on our soil……(not covertly as they are already doing amongst themselves) and then when they openly declare war, by all means then HAMMER THEM!
            Yes, I already know that they are declaring war on us in their mosques, and through their foreign leadership;……but they will soon overstep the line….and then when they do that you have a declaration of war that you can legally fight without your family losing their husband and father. You get what I’m saying here???
            So hold off a bit longer but be vigilant and even do community patrols if you need to protect your community better in the meantime.
            Right now, people will just see these acts as counter terrorism and it will feed the socialist agenda. Think smarter!

        • Mahou Shoujo

          Are you saying it is better to be conquered then forced to submit to subhumans rather than standing up and fight for what is right? You must be from western europe where socialism has made grovelling slaves to islam out of nations. Such folly.

          • Gill Payne

            Rubbish! I am from Australia and I am NOT a liberal. But I’m also NOT a murderer. Random violence when someone is not directly showing aggression at you is wrong. I’m all for getting free nations to see the truth about Islam and for people to stand up against Islamic immigration and Sharia etc…..but I will never condone terror attacks at civilians to retaliate for evil towards us.
            This is what I believe is appropriate:
            – Self defense and protecting your family and community against a clear and present threat. ie carry and be prepared for any aggression.
            – Refusal to back down against their arrogant demands.
            – Large and wide-reaching peaceful demonstrations demanding the Government do something.
            – Petitioning and writing letters to local and central government.
            – Bacon whenever needed! LOL

          • Mahou Shoujo

            So, with reference to muslim attacks this year so far, how are your methods working out?

          • Gill Payne

            … many rallies against Islam have YOU organised? I’m flat out sharing the truth about Islam and the danger of Sharia Law and Muslim immigration on social media and commenting everywhere I can. I care full-time for my son who has a disability (and home school him) and yet I’m doing my best.
            How about some of the more able bodied and angry members here actually get out and organise rallies and/or attend more anti-Islam rallies and events, write letters to government officials, sign petitions, hold vigils to highlight the injustice towards persecuted Christians and other minorities in Islamic nations, and boycott businesses and industries that support leftist, halal and Islamic interests. There is so much more we could be doing…..we don’t have to resort to random acts of violence to civilians not carrying weapons!
            If you people advocating for counter-violence haven’t done these things……then you obviously are just all hot air and you don’t actually believe in democracy but prefer thuggery instead.
            BTW Apologies to those of you that have been doing these more appropriate things.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            You are so utterly clueless and full of yourself, it is not possible to discuss the obvious facts of reality. You are living in a world where everyone is supposed to synchronize with your view. As you haven’t noticed, it does not work that way. Everyone has to deal with what they have available. Perhaps you could convince a few muslims wherever you are to refrain from violence and compromise with their neighbours? Do keep the forum informed of how that goes.

          • Gill Payne

            ……so choosing to continue trying to get change happening via democracy and using our rightful power of free speech and protest etc is clueless?? As I said over and over again on this thread……I am absolutely NOT against people protecting and defending their families, friends and communities in the presence of visible or obvious hostility. Is that clueless also??
            I am simply saying that violence towards any muslim anywhere, anytime is not the answer….it’s thuggery and turns a society into anarchy.
            If and when it is obvious that muslims in western nations are rising up enmass then that is a civil war and I would expect the citizens of that nation to defend themselves and drive the Islamic problem out of their nation for good. But this random opportunistic attack on people leaving a Mosque is no better than the way they attack Christians in Egypt.
            If you can’t see this then I see you as being as dangerous and as without values as they are. One would conclude you have become sick with hatred and cannot see that if you behave like a violent thug then you can’t claim that they are the evil ones who need eliminating.
            For goodness sake even the military have rules for engagement to try to prevent the slaughter of civilians…….are you saying they are clueless also???

          • Mahou Shoujo

            You apparently have not read the que’an, nor have any grasp of what a muslim has to do to be considered acceptable.
            Here is a brief commentary on shari’a, it is not theory, it is what muslims do every day, how do you propose this be changed to indicate the ideals you expect Christians to uphold?

            James M. Arlandson: Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All Societies

            SEPTEMBER 5, 2012 7:02 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER

            16 Thirty Shariah Laws That Are Bad For All SocietiesCan Modern Islam Reform Old Islam?

            by James M. Arlandson, Ph.D.

            This list

            of shariah laws is intended to be read by judges, lawyers, legislators, city council members, educators, journalists,government bureaucrats, think tankfellows, TV and radio talk show hosts, and anyone else who occupies the “check points” in society; you initiate the national dialogue and shape the flow of

            the conversation in society. You are the decision and policy makers.

            As intellectuals, you believe the critics of shariah exaggerate (and maybe some

            are guilty of it). They”re just “Islamophobes.” Ignore them. Islam is a

            worldwide religion, after all. It deserves respect.

            You are also thorough relativists who believe in tolerance for all religions, in all their parts. At first glance, this is a commendable outlook.You like what Thomas Jefferson said, “But it does me no injury for my neighbor

            to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my legs.”

            It is true that beliefs that do not harm us monetarily or physically should be tolerated. Shariah has positive aspects to it — or, rather, they do no damage in those two ways. Therefore, parts of shariah should be tolerated in a

            religiously diverse society like America.

            The Five Pillars are examples. They are part of shariah —

            divine Islamic law, which traces its origins ultimately back to the Quran (or Koran) and Muhammad’s example or life, the sacred traditions, which were eventually written down in the hadith. None of those five rituals and policies picks ourpockets or breaks our legs, if the five are done privately or in the mosque. Unfortunately, however, this list is not about the harmless parts in shariah, but the ones that are incompatible with the modern era.

            Even Thomas Jefferson had his limits. He sent the marines to take back captured American merchant sailors and to open up the trade routes that were hampered by the Muslim Barbary pirates in North Africa, who had sold the captives into slavery or demanded ransoms.

            Do the elites have any limits? In some cases, a religion does indeed pick our pockets and break our legs.

            Each item in the list has one or more back-up articles. Readers should click on them to find out that the thirty points come right out of original Islam and are not invented out of thin air. Each back up also has a section on modern Islam, mentioning Muslims — too few — who advocate reform. And if readers would like to see various

            translations of the Quran, they may go to the website and type in the references. If readers are in doubt about the meaning of a verse, they may go to the tafsir (commentary) written by Ibn Kathir (d. 1373), one of the most authoritative and highly regarded classical commentators in the Sunni world, at; or the readers may search through the modern commentary by Sunni Indo-Pakistani religious scholar and politician Sayyid Abul A”la Maududi(d. 1979) at

            Political Islam



            Domestic, and Women’s Issues




            1. The mosque and state are not separate.To this day, Islamic nations that

            are deeply rooted in shariah, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, do not adequately separate the two realms, giving a lot of power to courts and councils to ensure that legislation does not contradict the Quran (never mind whose interpretation). Most of the laws listed below come from this confusion.

            Back-up article:Mosque

            and State

            2. Jihad may be waged against injustice or an unjust nation, as Islam defines the terms. Classical texts say Islam is justice, and no Islam is injustice. Therefore, a “just war” can be waged against a nation or people who do not

            submit to Islam. Yet we are told in the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, which is based on shariah, that humane rules must be followed (Article Three)

            Does that article offer hope that modern Islam can move past old Islam? Maybe.

            However, the Quran, sacred traditions, classical law, and historical Islam contradict or balance out some elements in Article Three.

            Would there be a conflict between the old Islam and modern Islam, if war broke out? Many Islamic clerics issue fatwas

            (religious rulings) to wage jihad.

            Back-up articles: Jihad and Qital and The Early Muslim Community and the Sword.

            3. Jihad may be waged to spread Islam and force conversions — a holy war. Waging jihad to spread Islam and force conversions is a perfect description of “holy war.” See Quran 8:39, 9:5, 9:11-12, 9:14, and 9:29; and then see 9:33; 61:9

            and 48:28. Yet, we have been told for many years now that holy wars and forced conversions were never done in Islam. That’s a myth imagined by Westerners. However, read those verses and click on the back-up articles:


            articles: Jihad and Qital,

            The Mission of Muhammad and the Sword, and The Early Muslim Community.

            4. A captive in jihad may be executed, enslaved, ransomed for money, exchanged for

            other prisoners, or released freely. Quran 47:4 and 33:25-27, 4:24 says those things (and the last option — free release — is positive). Yet we are told that in a jihad today everything must

            be done humanely and justly. However, the back-up article, this fourth item, and the next four items in this list balance out that claim. Would there be a conflict between old Islam and modern Islam, if war broke out?


            articles: Jihad and Qital and Slavery

            5. A

            woman captive of jihad may be forced to have to sex with her captors (now


            Quran 4:24 and

            especially the sacred traditions and classical law allow this. The sacred traditions

            say that while out on military campaigns under Muhammad’s leadership, jihadists used to practice coitus interruptus with their female captives. Women soldiers fighting terrorists today must be forewarned of the danger.


            articles: Jihad and Qital and Slavery

            6. Property can be destroyed or confiscated during jihad. Quran 59:2 and 59:5 discuss those rules. Sacred traditions and classical law expand on the Quranic verses. Modern Islamic law officially improves on the Quran: see Article Three of the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights, which is nonetheless based on shariah, but it outlaws wanton destruction of property. Would there be any conflict between old Islam and modern Islam in a war today?


            articles: Jihad and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

            7. Jihad may be waged to collect spoils. Quran 8:1, 8:7, 8:41, and 48:20 show this clearly. Early

            Islam followed the old Arab custom of raiding caravans, but as its military grew, the raids were elevated to jihad. The spoils of war were coveted. Which Islam would prevail in a war today — the old one or the modern one?


            articles: Jihadand Qital and The Quran and the Sword

            8. A second-class submission tax, called the jizyah, must be imposed on Jews and Christians (and other religious minorities) living in Islamic countries.

            Quran 9:29

            offers three options to Jews and Christians: (1) Fight and die; (2) convert to Islam; (3) or keep their religion, but pay a tribute or submission tax, the jizyah, whileliving under Islam. In Islamic history, vanquished Jews and Christians became known as dhimmis. This word appears in Quran 9:8 and 9:10, meaning a “treaty” or “oath,” but it can also mean those who are “condemned” “reviled” or “reproved” (Quran 17:18, 17:22; 68:49). The word “submission” in Quran 9:29 can also be translated as “humiliation,” “utterly humbled,” “contemptible” or “vile.” It can mean “small” as opposed to “great.” Islamic nations today still seek to impose this second-class religion tax. Back-up

            articles: Jihad and Qital and The Quran and the Sword

            9. Slavery is allowed. It is true that freeing slaves was done in original Islam (Quran 5:89 and 24:33), and the Quran says to be kind to slaves (Quran 4:36), but that is not the entire story. In addition to those verses, Quran 4:24, 23:1-7; 33:52 allow the institution. Muhammad owned slaves, even one who was black (so says a sacred tradition). He was militarily and politically powerful during his later life in Medina, but he never abolished slavery as an institution.

            Officially, Islamic nations have outlawed slavery (Article 11, which is still based on shariah). That proves Islam can reform on at least one matter. Can it reform on the other shariah laws? And we are told that “no other nation or religious group in the world treated slaves better than the Muslims did.” The back-up article and next two items in this list contradict that claim. The legacy of slavery still runs deep in Islamic countries even today.

            Back-up article: Slavery

            10. A male owner may have sex with his slave-women, even prepubescent slave-girls. See Quran 4:24 and 23:1-7; but it is classical law that permits sex with prepubescent slave girls and describes them as such. Some Muslim

            religious leaders and others still advocate this practice, taking the slaves as concubines (though sex with prepubescent slave-girls is another matter).

            Back-up article: Slavery 11. Slaves may be beaten. That’s what sacred traditions and classical laws say. See Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery

            Back-up article: Slavery

            12. Apostasy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on anyone who leaves

            Islam (an apostate). Normally this is a prescribed punishment, but it is also

            political, since it is about freedom of religion. Surprisingly the Quran does not cover punishing apostates down here on earth, though in the afterlife they will be punished. Does this modern Islam can reform old Islam? Quran 4:88-89,

            9:73-74, and 9:123, read in that sequence, might deal with earthly punishments. Mainly, however, the sacred traditions and classical law permit harsh treatment for anyone who leaves Islam.

            Islamic courts and laws still impose these punishments today, or religious scholars today argue for the law.

            Back-up article: Freedom of Religion

            13. Blasphemy laws, including imprisonment or execution, may be imposed on critics of Islam

            or Muhammad. These verses should be read in historical sequence, for they show that as Islam’s military power increased, the harsh treatment of mockers and critics also intensified, as follows: Quran 3:186, 33:57-61, 9:61-66, 9:73

            and 9:123. Sacred traditions, classical laws, and historical Islam are unambiguous about the punishments, recording the people, often their names, who were assassinated for mocking Muhammad and the Quran.

            Islamic nations and pockets of Islam in non-Muslim countries still impose these punishments


            Back-up article: Free Speech


            14. Drinkers and gamblers may be flogged. Quran 2:219, 4:43, and 5:90-91, in that sequence, show that

            Islam gradually prohibited alcohol. The last passage also prohibits “gaming” of sorts. The sacred traditions and classical law discuss punishing gamblers and alcoholics. One tradition says to execute unrepentant alcoholics who do not stop. But usually drinkers were flogged forty or eighty times, with garments, palm branches, or sandals in early Islam. Islamic countries can impose these punishments today, or religious and legal scholars still argue for it.

            Back-up article: Muhammad, the Quran, and Prohibition

            15. An injured plaintiff (a private citizen) has the options of forgiving or exacting legal and literal revenge — physical eye for physical eye. Categorized as qisas (like for like), Quran 5:45 is the main verse (and see 2:187-189). Sacred traditions and classical laws spell out which punishments should be inflicted on which offences. Islamic courts, depending on which way the plaintiff directs, today may ask a doctor to surgically remove an eye or disfigure the

            face or body in some other way. Currently, qisas can be applied to children in Iran.The whole purpose of courts is to remove the punishment of wrongs and injuries from the plaintiffs who are private citizens; otherwise, blood feuds and personal revenge make punishments uneven — never mind excessive. Back-up article: Law of Retaliation

            16. The hand of a male or female thief may be cut off. Quran 5:38 imposes this punishment. The traditions and classical law clarify that the theft has to be a valuable item; or mutilation might not be inflicted during a famine,

            But amputation is still done today in Islamic countries and argued for by religious leaders or legal scholars to understand it as if it is still valid. Back-up article: Thieves, Give Muhammad a Hand!

            17. A highway robber may be crucified or his alternate hand and foot cut off.

            Quran 5:33 permit these punishments. Yes, from that verse other punishments can be inflicted, but the point here is that execution for first-degree murder with aggravated circumstances is one thing, but mutilation and crucifixion is excessive. Some Islamic nations can still impose them today, or religious and legal scholars still argue for understanding the punishments, as if they are still valid. Back-up article: Crucifixion and Mutilation


            Homosexuals may be imprisoned, flogged, or executed. Surprisingly, the Quran is not all that clear on this subject, but the traditions and classical laws are. Islamic nations to this day still impose those punishments, and

            religious leaders still argue for harsh punishments. Back-up article: Homosexuality


            Fornicators may be flogged. Quran 24:2 says this. The hadith and classical laws can impose additional penalties like exile of the male for a year. Modern Islamic nations still inflict this penalty, and religious or legal scholars still argue for it.

            Back-up article: Adultery and Fornication


            Adulterers may be stoned to death. The verse that says to stone adulterers to death went

            missing from the Quran, so says Umar, a companion of Muhammad and the second caliph (ruled 634-644). But he left no doubt that this penalty was done under Muhammad’s direction, and the sacred traditions and classical laws confirm it. But a few rules of evidence must be followed, like confession of the adulterer

            or four eyewitnesses. In some interpretations of the law, if a woman is raped, but cannot produce four just and pious men who witnessed it, then she is slandering the alleged rapist (or gang rapists) — never mind that the four just and pious eyewitnesses did nothing to stop it, but stood there and watched it. Some modern Islamic nations still do this, and religious and legal scholars argue for it.Back-up article: Adultery and Fornication


            False accusers of sexual crimes may be flogged eighty times. Quran 24:1-4 speak of corporal punishment for sexual sins. Verse 4 says that if an accuser cannot produce four eyewitnesses to corroborate his accusation, then he will be flogged (see Quran 24:13). Some modern Islamic nations can still impose the penalty for slander, and religious scholars still argue for it. Back-up article: Adultery and Fornication Marital, Domestic, and Women’s Issues

            Quran 2:228 and 4:34 states that mankind is superior to womankind in a variety of legal and domestic

            contexts. Quran 2:223 says wives are fields, and their husbands can go into them whenever and however they

            like. How does this inferiority work out in the law and society? 22. A woman inherits half what a man does. Quran 4:11 says it, and the hadith (traditions) and classical law confirm it. Modern Islamic nations still do this, and religious leaders still argue for it.

            Back-up article: Women’s Status and Roles

            23. A woman’s testimony in a court of law counts half of a man’s testimony, since she

            might “forget.” Quran 2:282 says it in the context of business law. But the hadith (traditions) explains that

            women’s minds are deficient; classical law expands this curtailment to other areas than business.Modern Islamic nations still do this, and religious scholars still argue for it.Back-up article: Women’s Status and Roles

            24. A man may legally and irrevocably divorce his wife, outside of a court of law, by correctly pronouncing three times “you are divorced.” Quran 2:229 says

            this, and the traditions and classical law explain and confirm it. A judge in a modern Islamic country will ensure that the husband did not speak from a fit of irrational rage (anger is okay) or intoxication, for example. Then the court

            will validate the divorce, not daring to overturn it, since the Quran says so. Sometimes this homemade and irrevocable divorce produces a lot of regret in the couple and manipulation from the husband in Islam today.

            Back-up article: Divorce and Remarriage

            25. A wife may remarry her ex-husband if and only if she marries another man, has sex

            with him, and then this second man divorces her. Quran 2:230 says this, and the traditions and classical law confirm it. Supposedly, this rule is designed to prevent easy divorce (see the previous point), but it produces a lot of pain, in Muslims today.

            Back-uparticle: Divorce and Remarriage

            26. Husbands may hit their wives. Quran 4:34 says it, and the traditions and classical law confirm it. There is a sequence of steps a husband follows before he can hit her, but not surprisingly this rule creates all sorts of abuse and confusion in Islamic society today. Back-up article: Domestic Violence

            27. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives. Quran 4:3 (and 33:50-52) allow this, but only if a man can take care of them. The traditions and classical law confirm it. Modern Muslims still push for this old marital arrangement even in the USA, and many Islamic nations still allow it. But some Muslims are fighting polygamy. The hadith (traditions) paints a picture of Muhammad’s household that was full of strife between the wives. Back-up article: Polygamy

            28. A man may simply get rid of one of his “undesirable” wives. Quran 4:128 says this. The traditions say about the verse that the wife whom Muhammad wanted to get rid of was “huge” and “fat.” She gave up her turn to his favorite

            girl-bride Aisha. He kept the corpulent wife. There is heartbreak in Islam today. Back-up article: Polygamy

            29. A mature man may marry a prepubescent girl.Quran 65:1-4, particularly verse 4, assumes, but does not command, the practice. The hadith says Aisha was six years old when she was engaged to Muhammad (he was in his fifties), and their marriage was consummated when she was nine. The hadith indicate she was prepubescent at nine. She never did bear him any children. Classical law says a father may give away his prepubescent daughter, but she also has a few rights.

            Officially many Islamic nations have raised the legal marriage age, but pockets in the Islamic

            world still follow this old custom. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia okays marriage to ten-year-old girls. Work

            is still needed to be done for the rights of girl brides, particularly for their sexual health. Back-up article: Marriage to Prepubescent Girls

            30. A woman must wear a head covering and maybe a facial veil, according to sound traditions and authoritative classical law. Quran 24:31, 33:53 and 33:59 are not as clear about the veil as one might first think. The verses say to dress modestly, but should the head be covered or just the neckline? What about the face (except the eyes)? Thus, modern Muslims are now in a big debate over the veil. However, the traditions and classical law are clearer than the Quran: the veil over the face (except the eyes).

            Respected Quran scholars in the past interpreted verse 4:34 with impressive candor. Tabari said that it means to “admonish them, but if they refused to repent, then tie them up in their homes and beat them until they obey Allah’s commands toward you.” Qurtubi told wife-beaters to avoid breaking bones, if possible, but added that “it is not a crime if it leads to death.” (source)

            Muslim (4:1039) – “A’isha said [to Muhammad]: ‘You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'” These are the words of Muhammad’s favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

            York MSA Female students wearing hijab and niqab, who manned the Info Booth at the Central Square of York University, handed out to students the book “Women in Islam & Refutation of some Common Misconceptions,” authored by the Saudi scholar Dr. Abdul-Rahman al-Sheha and printed by the Saudi Dawah organization Muslim World League (رابطة العالم الاسلامي). For Blogwrath’s report on the event click here.

            The following are excerpts from the book:

            “Although beating of women is generally forbidden, Islam permits the beating of wives in a restricted and limited sense only as a final solution and acceptable valid reason when all else fails… Allah deals with the case of a wife who behaves immorally towards her husband’s rights. The treatment of this extremely sensitive issue comes in gradual stages… Third and final stage: Beating without hurting, breaking a bone, leaving black or blue marks on the body, and avoiding hitting the face or especially sensitive places at any cost. The purpose of beating her is only to discipline… This treatment is proved to be very effective with two types of women… The first type: Strong willed, demanding and commandeering women… The second type: Submissive or subdued women. These women may even enjoy being beaten at times as a sign of love and concern… Beating, according to the Islamic teachings, is listed as the last and final stage of disciplining methods.”

            Sura 8 of the Koran is entitled “The Spoils,” which refers to the booty that shall be taken from the infidels. Al-Awlaki says that taking money by force from disbelievers as booty is the “best and purest form of income.” The basis for his statement comes from the Hadith Sahih Bukhari, when Muhammad said, “the spoils of war are made halal for me” (see Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331).

            Al-Awlaki also cites a Hanafi scholar who says stealing from people in the dar al-harb “is considered mubah (permitted) just like hunting or wood gathering.” Al-Awlaki references other traditional Muslim sources who say that theft and embezzlement are different from booty because they are taken by deception or trickery rather than by force, but that such theft and embezzlement is still legal. Al-Awlaki’s full “ruling” is available at Jihadology.

          • bannedquran20

            The article is correct. But I would go a step further with slavery in islam and their horrible and fallible quran and hadith. For example, muslim zombies were told to treat their slaves nicely, and they will get a great reward in paradise if they choose to free one of their slaves. But there is not a single verse in their two books that abolishes slavery.In fact muslim zombies were required to free one slave as a punishment for a sin they the muslim zombie committed. Also a slave could be allowed to buy his freedom only if it was OK with his boss man the muslim zombie. All this means that just because they the muslim zombie allowed a few to go free, this is NOT abolishing of slavery within islam. Slavery is alive and unfortunately doing well for the past 1400 years.

        • I am sad to say that with the way things are going, there will soon be NO difference between the two.

    • Suresh

      Agree. Left/Liberal Loons have bought and sold the “Islam is religion of peace” while ignoring the history of jihad and the present active ongoing jihadi attacks .

      While Muslim youths practice the art of torturing and beheading infidels to prepare for future jihadi attacks !

      Left/Liberal Loons Run away when they are attacked !

    • Beverly

      Trump was elected under the rules of a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. That is why the electoral vote determines who won the Presidency, not the total vote count.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Think about how totally stupid your comment is.

        • Beverly

          This country is a Constitutional Republic with a representative form of government. Do you know that the House actually votes on who the President will be though the House has always voted the way the electoral vote goes.

          I have thought and thought and cannot come up with a reason why my comment is stupid. Please explain.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            What checks and balances are in place to assure that the vote is fair? Why should regions of the country with dense populations dictate to other regions? The ritual of selecting the American President is more or less acceptable as is, because it allows for regional differences. A simple majority across the country would be a problem, not a solution.

          • Beverly

            What checks and balances are in place to assure that the vote is fair? When you go to your voting preceint, at the table where you show your voter certificate, you have people from both parties sitting at the table to make sure you are eligible to vote. Once you fill out your ballot you put it into a machine that counts your vote. When the polls close and with both parties watching, the ballots are then put in a box that is sealed and taken to the county elections office and where, once again both parties record the vote. Once all votes are counted and verified at the County level, they are sent to the State Elections Commission who sees that they get to the House of Representatives for the House members to vote. The House has always voted the way the electoral vote has gone.

            Right now there is a flaw in the system when it comes to ensure that only people who are living U.S. citizens vote and that they vote only once. That is why many of us believe that it is so important to have an ID card with a photo so that the voter certificate can be compared to your photo ID

            Why should regions of the country with dense populations dictate to other regions? That is why we have the electoral vote instead of a simple majority.

            That is one reason why the U.S. is a Constitutional Republic with a representative government.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            “Representative government” think about what that means, how about majority rights with consideration to minorities. As the democrats have demonstrated, and continue to do, they trample any minority in the promotion of their agenda. If the present system worked, why has an investigation determined a large number of fraudulent illegal votes, possible in the millions? If the government was decided by the most populous states, would the result be acceptable to other regions?

          • Beverly

            “If the present system worked, why has an investigation determined a
            large number of fraudulent illegal votes, possible in the millions?”

            As I explained, there is voter fraud and the liberals/progressives do not want to change that by having voters present a photo ID along with their voter registration card when they go to vote.

            ‘”Representative government” think about what that means, how about majority rights with consideration to minorities.’

            A representative government should take in consideration what is best for the country, not just one party, not just what is good for the majority nor the minority. Unfortunately, when the liberals/progressives and, RINOs (Republicans in Name Only), control government, they are not interested in a Constitutional Republic but would prefer a Socialist/Marxist government which we have seen for the last 8 years. We had Obama making law with Executive Orders and Executive Memorandum when he couldn’t get what he wanted from the Congress, and the RINOs in Congress allowed him to get away with it. The RINOs are also responsible for Obama stacking the Supreme Court with liberal/progressive Supreme Court Justices who have not followed the Constitution but instead based their opinions out of thin air. You have 9 on the Supreme Court and 4 are definitely liberals/progressives with 1 too often supporting the liberal/progressive cause.

            ” If the government was decided by the most populous states, would the result be acceptable to other regions?”

            No because the states with the largest populations, i.e., California and New York, would be deciding for the other 48 states who the President would be, therefore, making the other states votes obsolete. That is why the electoral process works best.

            One more thing. Do not believe the media but read the Federalist papers and then read the Conservative side of an issue, not just read/listen to the media side of an issue. Go to the Federalist Papers website and read how and why we became a Constitutional Republic.

    • Drew the Infidel

      Totally agree. That quote is from Admiral Yamamoto. Accurately predicting the pissed off mood of the country after Pearl Harbor he also said, “I fear we wake a sleeping giant.” Both apply today.

      • Richard Canary

        And Islam is far worse thatn the Japanese form of tyranny. Islam dictates the VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF YOUR GOVERNMENT, no matter what country you live in. And it includes murdering huge numbers of all the citizens.

        Islam may be considered to be a religion to Muslims, but to all their victims, they are not religious. They are murderous vandals, who are pushed to kill for money — your money — they are free to steal from, rape, and butcher citizens of countries that they INVADE BY IMMIGRATION.

        No nation with eyes open to the reality of the history and the past lies of Muslims will ever let even one of them into their lands.

        We are all in deep trouble right now, today, for allowing any Muslims into our nation, and there are millions already here.

        America needs to get to the truth of the matter,a nd realize that Islam is the most dangerous social disease on earth and that it needs to be taken for what it is: A FOREIGN POLITICAL ENEMY WHOSE GOAL IS TO ERADICATE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT BY VIOLENT OVERTHROW.

        • Drew the Infidel

          It is six of one and a half dozen of the other. Both voiced their promise to read their victory statement from the WH with their flag flying atop the place. To which I say, “Bring it on, b*tch.”

  • Mahou Shoujo

    The left and islam are totally ridiculous when any thinking person looks at their statements.

  • Nefarious420

    Nothing shocking here, NY Times has been consistently on the wrong side of history for 166 years.

    • He who laughs last

      I can’t wait to read the comments when Pamela puts up the story about the revenge in England tonight! At least 3 Brits may have grown a set. Too bad it had to come to that – but the Brits didn’t start it.


      • conan_drum

        Unfortunately it will just lead to a lot of sympathy from the polticians and clergy, and reinforce the claim of Islamophobia from the Muslim community.

        • BonniePrinceCharlie

          The Metropolitan Police in London could not provided the resources to guarantee the safety and security of those who wanted to attend ‘A Night to Honour Israel’, a peaceful rally organised by Christians United For Israel. But I’ll bet there’s no shortage of resources to prevent a full investigation into this despicable attack on innocent people and the plethora of claims of Islamophobic ‘assaults’ which might emanate from it.

      • Drew the Infidel

        It is showing on Fox News giving plenty of details, one dead and then injured outside a mosque. Turn about is fair play, no?

        • Drew the Infidel

          Should read “ten injured”.

        • Gill Payne

          I’m sorry but I strongly disagree! Violence towards those who are not actually attacking you at the time is not ok. Lets be better than them…..don’t stoop to their barbarity. Defend yourself, your family and your community……ABSOLUTELY!!! Of course don’t back down!
          The Muslim world see all westerners as ‘Christian’ and this will only reinforce to them that Christians everywhere must be slaughtered.
          Yes we must stand up to them…..but not like that.
          This act of counter violence is just murder!

          • Drew the Infidel

            I wholeheartedly agree with your right to express your views but disagree in the same spirit as you. However, though I would not advocate a vehicular attack in like manner, I’ll be the first in line to buy him more gasoline. Be safe, be trained, be alert.

          • Violence begets violence – it might not be right but it is inevitable, especially when our leaders choose to sup with the devil at the expense of their own citizens’ wellbeing.

        • Turn it about again. Line up his family outside where they live and gun them down…every last one, unless they publicly condemn that chimp-out.

      • Gill Payne

        Violence towards those who are not actually attacking you at the time is not ok. Lets be better than them…..don’t stoop to their barbarity. Defend yourself, your family and your community……ABSOLUTELY!!! Of course don’t back down!
        The Muslim world see all westerners as ‘Christian’ and this will only reinforce to them that Christians everywhere must be slaughtered.
        Yes we must stand up to them…..but not like that. That is just murder!

        • We will only tolerate so much

          If one group of people hates and repeatedly attacks people in our country, and if our elected represetatives refuse to stop that group from invading our country, and if half of our own people (liberals and RINOs) welcome that group, make excuses for them, and put up road blocks to the few who do want to stop the invasion then the people will eventually resort to desperate measures to get the job done.
          “We” should not be the only ones standing up to them – their own leaders should forcefully and sincerely stand up and tell the radicals that they will not be tolerated. But that will not happen because THEY ALL SUPPORT THE RADICALS. Learn it.

      • santashandler

        You’re right. They didn’t start it. Now, perhaps. they are ready to start taking back their country?

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    • Fred

      I wouldn’t use the NY times to wipe my behind

  • Gary Fowler

    Who saw the original “Carrie” movie, or the remake of it? To embarrass Carrie, her classmates dropped a bucket of pig’s blood on her.

    There would probably not be any other way to better humiliate Muslims than by publicly dousing them in pig’s blood or hog’s blood. If you’re squeamish about killing them, that’s the way to do it, and we could also spray the blood and toss the pork parts around their mosques. It wouldn’t be long before they left us alone.

    • Fred

      Excellent idea!

    • satcatchet

      I would use artificial blood, like Hollywood uses and tell the barbarians it was pigs blood. They won’t know the difference. It’s funny, they will hold the head of a person that ate porkchops/bacon but claim never to touch anything related to porkchops/bacon. Fools.
      Save the pigs blood to make fish bait!

  • conan_drum

    If Trump was any colour but white you would not see all these protests!

    • mztore

      Or if HE were she. The left is just pizzed cause they lost.

  • Drew the Infidel

    The obvious clues here when comparing the dynamic of the two groups of marchers is that one is “for” something while the dangerous element is always “against” one thing or another. That prospect of that baseball field shooter is the personification of the left’s agenda.

  • Robert

    On behalf of the woman with the Nazi sign actually one of the first things
    the Nazis did was to take away guns from law abiding citizens just like
    postmodern Democrat politicians seem so eager to do.

  • bannedquran20

    Now that the liberals are shaping the EU into the image of allah aka muhammed, these same reprobate minds are trying to do the same to the USA, starting with California and now NYC. Bunch of Dumb Clucks.

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    • satcatchet

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  • Wayne Ville … a Deplorable

    These bafoons must be completely uninformed. The leftist media machine must dominate NY.

  • Glen Benjamin

    Muslims in London got what they deserved. Non Muslims around the world attacked on a daily basis by Muslims. The liberal world press ignores many of these attacks or down plays them. People the world over are fed up and fighting back. It is not islamaphobia, but revenge Justice.

    • Don’t care. Execute the family of that man in retaliation. This is a world of laws.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Of course, sahri’a, you never cease to amaze with your total ignorance of reality.

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