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Robert Spencer: McMaster Drags Trump Into the Swamp

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Here we go again. If President Trump’s National Security Adviser, H. R. McMaster, wields influence over the President, and if his characterization of the President’s upcoming trip to the Middle East is to be believed, Trump is now set to repeat all the mistakes that his last two predecessors made in dealing with the global jihad threat. For a man who won the presidency promising to drain the swamp, this is an extraordinary disappointment.

Speaking Friday about the trip, McMaster said that Trump in the Middle East “will develop a strong, respectful message that the United States and the entire civilized world expects our Muslim allies to take a strong stance against radical Islamist ideology.”

“Respectful.” Of course. You remember Barack Obama repeatedly inviting the Muslim world to a new relationship with the United States based on “mutual respect.” In Washington, “respect” in this context is all too often a code word for an assurance that the United States will take no official (or non-official) notice of the fact that the motivating ideology of jihad terrorists worldwide comes from the Qur’an and Sunnah. We will pledge not to know our enemy, and hence not to understand or be able to counter him effectively.

And so McMaster added that jihad terrorists were operating according to “an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion to justify crimes against all humanity.” But Trump, on the other hand, “will call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam.”

How many times since 9/11 has one American spokesman or another declared that “the United States and the entire civilized world expects our Muslim allies to take a strong stance against radical Islamist ideology”? We have been expecting this for fifteen years now and counting. How many years must we expect this before we realize that our “Muslim allies” have quite different priorities from what we would wish to believe? Turkey has repeatedly refused to strike strongly against the Islamic State (ISIS); its President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is much more concerned with hitting Assad and the Kurds. Pakistan’s government sheltered first bin Laden and now Zawahiri, was involved in the Mumbai jihad massacre and other jihad attacks, and has funneled much of the money the U.S. gave it to fight al-Qaeda and the Taliban to al-Qaeda and the Taliban. How long do we keep waiting on these “Muslim allies” to do the right thing, and weakly and pusillanimously calling upon them to do so?

And Trump “will call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam”? Now, there’s something we’ve never seen done before! Where has McMaster been for the last decade and a half? Buried deeply in the foreign policy establishment swamp that has been serving up this nonsense for all that time. And now he has apparently sold President Drain The Swamp on it. Bush and Obama called for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam. They also claimed that the jihadis’ version of Islam “uses a perverted interpretation of religion.” Where did it get them? The same place comforting falsehoods always take you: into a maze of blind alleys and failed policies based on incorrect analysis.

Even worse, McMaster said that “with President Abbas, Trump will express his desire for dignity and self-determination for the Palestinians.” Isn’t there anyone around Trump who can explain to him that a Palestinian state would simply become a new base for new and more virulent jihad attacks against a weakened Israel? When they met in Washington recently, Abbas lied brazenly to President Trump, claiming that his government “educates for peace” and that the Palestinian Authority is “raising our youth, our children, our grandchildren on a culture of peace.” Meanwhile, on the same day, Abbas’ government was honoring 12 jihad mass murderers who are responsible for the deaths of 95 people.

The foreign policy establishment’s house organ, Foreign Policy, an egregiously self-deluded and willfully ignorant journal, is worried that “in the White House ‘Game of Thrones for morons,’ Steve Bannon is trying to turn the president against his national security advisor.” We can only hope that Bannon succeeds. It’s ironic that Foreign Policy would dub the Trump team “morons,” when it is the foremost exponent of the analyses and policies that have failed not once but multiple times, and that McMaster is once again pushing.

Trump was not elected to implement these policies and watch them fail yet another time. And if he continues down the road that McMaster claims he intends to travel, that is exactly what he will do: fail.

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book is The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Iran. Follow him on Twitter here. Like him on Facebook here.

  • Mark Steiner

    Well, McMaster is undoubtedly a committed internationalist, judging by the soft-headed quality of commentary provided here. He said almost everything but the ominous “Islam is a religion of peace”, woefully uttered by another internationalist president, George W, Bush. Hope Bannon is successful getting the President down to earth and facing some righteous facts … also if the Administration starts trumpeting a pro-Two State solution for Israel, the whole mess is in trouble.

    With this, a National Security Adviser McMaster is not. Time to consider his dismissal, Mr. President.

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    • Pastor C

      “Consider his dismissal?” He’s already said the Islamic State is not Islamic. When I heard that, I knew he was a clueless holdover. He should have never be hired and must be fired immediately.

      • Mark Steiner

        Agreed, Pastor! Thanks.

  • Ritch Ritchloui

    The Mohammedan vermin must be LAUGHING – they’ve already got another 10 MILLION of them on their way to Europe from all over Islam occupied Africa. Yup, new slave armies of Africans to do the dirty business of killing the infidels before they themselves are exterminated.

  • Fern

    Trump needs to start listening more to Bannon and less to Kushner.

    • Bronish

      Fern, I agree. Trump is listening to the wrong voices. Apparently Bannon sees clearly what is the enemy, and is willing to name it, identify it, then destroy it.
      Or, at least, I hope Bannon does.

    • tatka150

      Kushner shouldn’t even be around. We didn’t elect him.
      He is Manhattan libertad. And pushes Trump left.

  • Maranatha

    Fire him…!

  • Poppey

    I can’t believe what I’ve just heard, blah blah “perverted interpretation” of Islam, blah blah.

    Is this half wit supposed to be an IMPROVEMENT?

    It may have been WSC but someone said the Americans will try every option first except the one that works, they’ll try that last. When the PC dogma is listened to more than the evidence, it’s time to think again.

  • Dennis

    I usually like the thoughts set forth in the writings of Spencer, a person I have the deepest respect for. His candor and logical analysis is refreshing, but , this time, I am hoping that he is dead wrong. While his outline of political history as it involves the Arab Middle East countries appears to me to be accurate, I am hoping that our new President, who clearly is not a “politician,” nor one of those who live within the swamp who are “politically correct” to a fault, and Islamophobic to a fault; will approach the Islamic problem with an understanding that the morbid preaching’s of Islam is the underlying cause of the cancer we refer to as Islamic Jihad, and that he will actively and effectively pursue an avenue that will first terminate the armies of the radicals and then lead to safe zones there, where people can be trained on what living the good life is all about, cutting off the violent nonsense espoused by the radical Mullahs. I believe this is the only way these people and the world can end this continuing conflict that is bringing tragedy to us now and future generations. Think me a foolish dreamer, but unless we take that approach things will get much worse. I hope that our non-politician POTUS recognizes that is the only way to start to end the dangerous conditions that exist, dangerous conditions that were ignored by our prior President. I hope that Trump takes that approach very strongly. As I have said above, unless he does, things will continue to get worse. We have for too long stuck our heads in the ground and have totally failed to accept the horrid reality that is radical Islam. It is time to open our eyes and allow our brains to properly deal with this cancer that is referred to as Islam.

  • Philosophy

    I am responding this statement, ‘ Trump is now set to repeat all the mistakes that his last two predecessors made in dealing with the global jihad threat.’

    Why many politics change after they got political power and feel unable to do what they have promised? Here we ‘Indian’ feel same trouble with our PM Modi. He is not showing firmness in dealing with Pakistan and in dealing with Kashmir problem. We as a citizen of India feel that our so called right wing party BJP is not acting according its declared aim.

    Where is trouble ?

    The trouble is our political science, the trouble is mistaken view of philosopher of enlightenment era. They have granted some space for religion in secular State. Our constitution order state to see freedom of religion. But this is grave mistake. Freedom of Religion restrict freedom of citizen. As religion are enemy of Civilization, of citizen.

    This is impractically practical compromise.

    Now we need to re-write our political science where ideal is not separation of state and religion but destruction of religion. No space of Islam then at the same time no space of Christianity, Buddha, jain or any form of religion base spirituality.. Total devotion for science. and firm determination for destruction of religion.

    This we required. Agree ?

    • Drifter12

      No!

    • Mark Steiner

      Where is, or by what foundation, do you subscribe to regarding the destruction of Christianity? And, why did you ignore Judaism in your report?

    • santashandler

      “Total devotion for science.” And ‘destruction of religion.’ Really. Freedom of religion DOES NOT ‘restrict freedom of citizen.’ Quite the opposite. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Religion (mostly Christianity and Judaism at this point) is what is keeping this world from erupting into absolute calamity.

    • RCCA

      I do agree with what you are saying in the sense that there can be a difference between following a religion and having a relationship with the divine. To the degree that people identify with their religion and don’t identify with a common God/the Creator, their religion becomes a source of confusion and conflict with others.

      I think most people at this site would probably agree that Islam and Muslims’ insistence on imposing Islam on the world is the greatest source of conflict and bloodshed in the world today. That’s why it’s a perversion of religion.

      But I don’t agree that believing in science destroying religion is the answer.

    • Bronish

      Sounds like Atheism to me, which is, unfortunately, another religion.

      • Philosophy

        Listen with calm mind, you will hear voice of Science–not religion.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          Ever heard of Sir Isaac Newton? He wasn’t a atheist and he certainly contributed to science.

          Ever heard of Einstein? This is what he wrote about atheists:
          “The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling
          the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard
          struggle. They are creatures who — in their grudge against the
          traditional religion as the ‘opium of the masses’ — cannot hear the
          music of the spheres.”

          “My God created laws… His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking but by immutable laws.”
          Albert Einstein

          • Philosophy

            All socialist are atheist proudly, but most intimate with Islam. Hitler , the advocate of National Socialism–Mass killer of Jews, Geert Wilders of Dutch has shown striking similarity between Islam and Nazi ideologies.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            R U a Turk? Don’t try to cozy up to me.

  • Drifter12

    The swamp we must drain is our own…

  • Looks like Trump is part of the damn swamp what has happened to the man we voted for . Is he a Obama clone

  • wildjew

    I am happy he wrote this piece.

    Does anyone see a thing or two troubling about the following exchange between Chuck Todd and Sec. of State Rex Tillerson today?

    SUNDAY BEST — CHUCK TODD speaks with REX TILLERSON on NBC’S “MEET THE PRESS”:

    TILLERSON frames Trump’s trip abroad: TODD:

    “I know there’s a big trip, President Trump’s first foreign trip to the Middle East. The president was pretty tough on all things Saudi Arabia in various interviews that I had with him during the campaign. At one point candidate Donald Trump said it’s ridiculous that the United States gives so much assistance to the Saudis, who wouldn’t be there except for us.”

    “He even questioned how the Saudis treat women. How the Saudis treat gay people. Now he’s going to go there, give a speech in Riyadh. Is he going to bring these issues up? Are you going to bring these issues up? Of human rights issues with Saudi Arabia and with their, let’s shall we say, weak democratic reforms?”

    TILLERSON: “Well, Chuck, this is a very important trip that the president will be embarking on later in the week. I think, as you know, he’s going to visit, on the first half of the trip, three countries. Great centers that represent important religions in the world. The Muslim faith in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Judaism when he visits Israel, and Christianity when he visits the pope in the Vatican. And I think the important aspect to this visit that the president is making is to bring a message of unity among all of these people of faith, among these great religions. That he strongly believes that it is the strength of the faith of people in these religions that will stand up and ultimately be victorious over these forces of terrorism.

    “The terrible faces of violence that we see in ISIL, Daesh and al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations around the world. And so I think it is a very important trip on the president’s part to call upon all people of faith in these religions to stand together for peace and stand up to this face of terrorism, wherever it shows itself anywhere in the world.”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/14/sunday-best-238370

    • santashandler

      “That he strongly believes that it is the strength of the faith of people
      in these religions that will stand up and ultimately be victorious over
      these forces of terrorism.” Dear God. More of the same vomit we’ve been hearing for the last 15 years on this subject. Nothing new. Nothing will change. Islam will not ‘stand up’ to the forces of terrorism. More lip service. The bombings, the FGM’s, the beheadings, the beatings, child marriages, mass immigrations, etc., will all continue. Now, probably at an even a faster pace than before

      • wildjew

        In one of Spencer’s earlier books he mentions a tiny booklet entitled: “Islam Will Conquer All Other Religions and American Power Will Diminish”

        I have a copy. I’ve not read it yet but the title says it all and I agree with the title, sadly. We (America and the West) are losing this war.

        • santashandler

          With leaders like that……yes, we are

        • Bronish

          Has Spencer been reading the Bible?
          That’s truly amazing.

          • wildjew

            I don’t know but you don’t need to read the Bible to appreciate the West is losing this war.

        • Philosophy

          It is not impossible or even difficult to defeat and destroy Islam.

          In practice, at least once, Islam was destroyed by Mustafa Kamel Pasha. He did it once. Which meant, no matter success is not achieved, as now we are seeing raise of Erdogan.

          Trump or his advisor are at mistake. and we must point out their mistake. We must not give lips service to their mistake.

          • tatka150

            McMaster is ovomit’s hold over and should be fired. He is a typical muzrat’s advocate. Disgusting jerk needs to go to hell. Instead of “draining the swamp”,Trump accumulates it.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            You’re either a liar or misinformed. Ataturk (spit) the great “secular”, muslum Turkish hero initiated the ethnic cleansing of Greeks from Turkey which involved violence and mass destruction of entire Greek neighborhoods.

          • Philosophy

            Sorry, you are mis-informed. He begin his carrier as a commander in Calipha’s military, he was servant only . To destroy Islam was in his mind as a dream, as he had study philosophy too, but never utter a single thing about his dream, but as he got full political power he came out in open. You need just more study about Secularized Turk. Here is one of his quote, that will enlighten you, friend….do not call me liar… by my learning I am philosopher…
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc4b563945b49dc9dbb153fc6e81921cc08daa06aa969293fbd6fa47297646de.jpg

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Go to hell lying scumbag:

            “After his forces had already routed the Greek army out of Asia Minor in 1922,
            Ataturk’s troops perpetrated one of the most infamous and widely reported war
            crimes against an urban civilian population prior to WWII. According to reports by
            U.S. Consul George Horton, Ataturk’s troops massacred 200,000 Greeks and
            Armenians in Smyrna (now Izmir), burning this cosmopolitan New Testament city to
            the ground while Western warships passively watched from its quay.”

            http://pontosforum.fr.yuku.com/topic/4481#.WRyrMdy1u6I

          • Philosophy

            Do not be so hastey, trust me, I am not advocate of Islam. I am interested in destroying Islam from earth, from human culture.

            I wanted to see Civilization in all Nation and in all human education.
            I have study his secularization policy and action, with single interest, how he had destroyed post of Caliphate and achieved westernization by destroying Islam. Here is link saying his work about Westernization.

            Gandhi from India was involved with his policy. Unfortunately, Gandhi was enemy of west and devotee of Islam and Islamic Caliphate, even being Hindu he lead first Jihad against British as well as Hindu, as a non-Muslim leader, which is also new history of infidelity.

            Gandhi’s movement was against British government, demanding restoration of Caliphate in Turk but fail due to this Ataturk. He has destroyed Islam once is factual matter. we must not ignore as it is policy matter about destroying Islam like theology.

            Here is link…

            https://1muslimnation.wordpress.com/2006/11/12/islam-to-secularism-how-kemal-ataturk-reformed-ottoman-turkey/

            See, this article was authored by pro-Muslim. There are Musilm who hate him, as he has destroyed Islam with Caliphate, he hate Islam and hate its founder Mohmmad…..same way we all–Indian and Western hate.

            This is the first thing I have discovered from history and not known, even in Indian scholars too and likely missed by western scholars. There are Muslim had claim that he was not real Muslim but Jews.

            What ever may be the case, I am interested in anything that help us to destroy this stupid theology named as Islam. You can use this material against Muslims too. If any problem, please call me…

        • Pathfinder0100

          Sad but that does seem to be true doesn’t it wildjew?

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Dear G-d indeed. Cicero’s comments about traitors have never been more apropos.

    • RCCA

      This is the problem Trump has with his team, they are not equally informed. McMasters is an academic and uses words with precision and strategically. Tillerson is a businessman who uses word to persuade and accuracy is not required. I think the president is attempting to shame the Muslim world into joining the “civilized” world. At least it will put their barbarity into perspective and force them to make a choice. They can either join the civilized world and condemn the violence of their faith, or we’ll have to deal with them in less pleasant ways.

      • wildjew

        Oh, come on. Please stop making excuses for these pathetic little men.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          Either he’s whistling past the graveyard or using the usual muslum tactics of deflecting and obfuscation.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        A general is an “academic”? That explains a lot actually…

    • Philosophy

      Religion is society of faith. No matter subject of faith, be it Christian-Judaism or Islam, but focus on character of faith. Faith do not meant for unity. Faith meant for dichotomy. Dichotomy of mind versus body, Science versus Religion, Sex versus Spirituality. In short faith lead fear. Seed of Terrorism exists in fear, which is faith.

      Speak about science which is Civilization, which is Western. Once upon a time Hindu was Civilization, but it was dead history and Western is live history. Must fight with plan against religious society. Netherlands and Frances are fall for faith.

      America is the last hope for Civilization.

      • wildjew

        This looks to be a bunch of gobbledygook what you’ve written about religion. Cannot make heads nor tails of it.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Then the civilised world is already lost.
        I’m sorry but the Islamic Puppet States of North America is already done. You can’t have f’ing muslums serving in law enforcement, your judiciary and legislature and still remain free.
        These days I kinda like Armenia — because when they say never again, they mean it. They don’t let f’ing muslums slaughter them in the streets.

    • Pathfinder0100

      Well it seems to be more from our “elites” of kissin’ their (Islamist) ass and tryin’ to convince us how great Islam is, doesn’t it???

  • Underzog

    McMaster in no Gen. Patton. He must be gotten rid of. That is why Pamela Geller should’ve been Sec. of State.

    • wildjew

      George Patton was no Patton.

      • Curt

        WTF does that mean? He was a GREAT general!

        • Dan Knight

          Patton was allegedly anti-Semitic … which I would consider for more than two seconds…

          Except anyone who is paying attention to this from the Goyim universe realizes that all Goyim are anti-Jewish unless they were Communists who were down with the Left-wing cause.

          This happened over the last 70 years or so since WW2 – so most Goyim didn’t even know about it – especially the dead ones.

          • wildjew

            Allegedly?

        • Craig

          Re-writing the history of American heroes is a great past time for libtards and the anti-American democrat trash.

      • Bronish

        You better do your homework, wildjew. Patton was one of the best generals USA ever had, aside from MacArthur.
        Perhaps you have forgotten.

        • wildjew

          Yes, I read a good Patton biographer, not a Patton apologist like Bill O’Reilly. “Patton: The Man Behind the Legend,” by Martin Blumenson

          Another author, Rabbi Daniel Gordis wrote: ‘….Nor were all leading American figures entirely sympathetic. In 1945, General George S. Patton wrote an entry in his journal in which he said, “[ Others] believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews who are lower than animals.” Patton recalled taking his commander, General Dwight D. Eisenhower, to see a temporary synagogue that had been constructed to allow the Jewish displaced persons to commemorate Yom Kippur. “We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking mass of humanity I have ever seen. Of course, I have seen them since the beginning and marveled that beings alleged to be made in the form of God can look the way they do or act the way they
          act.”
          Israel: A Concise History of a Nation Reborn, by Daniel Gordis

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            That’s sick, really sick. It sounds like Charles Lindbergh had a friend in Patton.

    • Bronish

      That’s who President Trump needs, Pamela Geller for Secretary of State!
      Btw, both Geller and Trump share the same birthday, which is coming up soon. Flag Day, which is June 14! I think Trump will turn 71, and our dear Pamela 59, if I’m correct.

      • Black Opal

        Well, at least they’ll both be dead in a few years. Every cloud, you know. 😊

  • RCCA

    I didn’t hear McMaster’s remarks in the same way. Funny how you can hear what you want to hear. When McMaster pledges Trump will make a strong respectful message, I take that as the same as saying “with all due respect,” which we all know actually is saying, “I think you are completely wrong and here’s why.” McMaster then rubs a little more antagonism into the statement with the demand that we in the US and the entire civilized world “expect” our Muslim allies to be unequivocal not only in their condemnation of violent terrorism but also “radical Islamic ideology,” Honestly, there is nothing respectful about telling someone you expect a certain behavior from them. He goes on to repeat a statement I’ve heard him make before, that the doctrines followed by radical Islamic ideology are a “perversion of religion.” Note, he does NOT say a perversion of Islam, he says a perversion of religion. Imo, he’s not saying Islam means peace or Islam is a religion of peace, he’s saying the jihad doctrine is a perversion of what we understand fundamentally religion to be. “Trump will be calling on Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful version of Islam.” Again, that’s not what we’ve heard before from other administrations, who claimed that Islam is a religion of peace and jihad is a misunderstanding of Islam. McMaster is stating that there are different interpretations available, peaceful or violent, and it’s high time that our allies, like Saudi Arabia, stop supporting and exporting Wahhabism and adopt a peaceful style of religion. It’s not a mystery that Trump is visiting Saudi Arabia rather than Egypt. (see: “You Can’t Understand ISIS If You Don’t Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia”http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html)

    • wildjew

      You are joking. Aren’t you?

      ‘….McMaster added that jihad terrorists were operating according to “an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion to justify crimes against all humanity.” But Trump, on the other hand, “will call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam.”

      Are you nuts?

      • RCCA

        No, are you? I laid out my opinion in a rational explanation, you responded with an insult and nothing more. Who is the serious person? You?

        • wildjew

          You notice Mr. McMaster got in the president’s term, a term he says he does not like (and neither do I) “radical Islam,” but then immediately followed it with the claim these devout Muslims operate according to a perverted interpretation of the Islamic religion. Really. How would he know?

          • RCCA

            He didn’t say perverted interpretation of the Islamic religion. Just as I pointed out, you heard what you wanted to hear, not what he actually said.

          • wildjew

            Who are you trying to fool?

          • RCCA

            I’m not trying to fool anyone. BTW, what’s your level of education? Did you even graduate from college? Having a conversation with you is like talking to a junior high student who is full of himself. Totally pointless to attempt anything more than the most simple minded thoughts.

          • wildjew

            Here: “He will develop a strong, respectful message that the United States and the entire civilized world expects our Muslim allies to take a strong stance against radical Islamist (sic) ideology – an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion to justify crimes against all humanity.

            “He will call for Muslim leaders to promote a peaceful vision of Islam.”

          • RCCA

            Again, you reveal your lack of intellectual capacity. What point are you attempting to make?

          • wildjew

            Can you read? “radical Islamist ideology – an ideology that uses a perverted interpretation of religion….”

            What part of perverted are you having difficulty understanding?

          • RCCA

            What part of “religion” don’t you understand? Religion as a general concept, not specifically Islam. Trump is visiting the centers of the three major religions to highlight the concept of religion and what religion is about.

          • wildjew

            Oh, so General McCaster did not mean a perverted interpretation of the religion of Islam? What religion is he referring to? Are we going to be treated to “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ (as in Islam) is?”

          • RCCA

            He’s calling on our Muslim allies, specifically Saudi Arabia to finally condemn the violence in Islam because Islam can not pretend to be a religion if it also calls for murder of non-Muslims. At least Islam can not pretend to be a religion in terms of the civilized world if Muslims do not completely condemn their violent doctrines.

          • wildjew

            But you notice the president is honoring the land of Islam’s two holiest sites by visiting Saudi Arabia first. The Saudis are spreading this violent (authentic) stream of Islam globally. Saudis were up to their necks financing al-Qaeda and the September attacks. The are financing Islamic State and other jihadi groups. If you read this website, Spencer’s website, MEMRI and other sites, you will see Saudi Arabian imams and religious scholars are calling for the murder and enslavement of Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims week by week or month by month.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            There’s nothing to honor in islum — it’s all evil, Jew hating, fascist, totalitarian, xenophobic BS.
            Islum should be less be honored and more spurned — especially by the kafir al najjis.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            “Muslim allies” LOL, because allying w/totalitarian, muslum apartheid states is what the US is allah about in the 21st century.

          • Craig

            ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION! WOW! You are REALLY a moron. Please go back to sneaking around little girl’s bathrooms, libtard.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            LOL, I’ll bet you wish Churchill and Roosevelt went to Berlin to celebrate the Anschluss too — because Nazi Germany was one of the major powers of Western Europe.

          • wildjew

            I am a college graduate.

          • RCCA

            Pretty sad.

          • Craig

            I am hearing a liberal speaking, now. “what’s your level of education” and “Did you even graduate from college”. Both liberal qualifiers for a brain dead believer in liberal democrat anti-America propaganda.
            Please…eat sh!t and die.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            How is anyone’s educational level relevant to their argument? Do you want some red herring w/your ad-hom?

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          Your post was nothing but spin and muslum apologia.

        • Mark Goldberg

          you laid out a rational explanation…. but it is a wild eyed wish fullfilling gem of a hope.
          I say this because, this is what they’ve been doing for 25 yrs now. Pretending that somehow, Islam is not the Jihadists. That is what they’ve been subtly and unsubtly saying. The Muslims have merely played their end of this by taiking about bigotry, hatred and oppression from the west and the need for more understanding, etc etc etc. Now… you think McMaster is on a different wavelength, and therefore I say…. mule muffins.
          He’s simply reiterating what has been done for the last 25 yrs. The muslims have their good guy bad guy routine, with ‘islamists’, being some group of manifest miscreants, but it is all Jihad, and Jihad is Islam, Jihad is what made Islam the terrible colonizing, homciding force, that it was is and will be. Mosques are being built everywhere outside of muslim countries, now the forced hijira is being pushed and is already massively successful in getting the west to further disallow freedom of speech, thought and debate, and has pushed the legalized denial of criticism of Islam as racist, hateful, bigoted- Islamophobia.
          Nothing has changed in McMaster’s speech. But you are aching for him to be different and I don’t blame you.
          Because although I see Trump not bending over so easily, accommodation is still all they can hope for from the politically correct, not a frank, forthright acknowledgement that Jihad is the scourge of Islam, and needs to be acknowledged as supported and lead by nations that support the fight against the Isis evil caliphate, but not the idea and propagation of
          their own more ‘benign’ caliphate- which is what the hijira is attempting to bring to non muslim countries. All those rapes, murders, going on thru Europe et al, are supported by the muslim rulers who have no desire to bring such ‘immigrants’ into their own lands.

          • RCCA

            All I’m saying is that Geller and Spencer are unrealistic in suggesting that our political leaders are going to start discussing the Koran and why Islam is a degenerate religion. Honestly, what would that accomplish?

            Also, I am pointing out that there is a difference with Trump. He’s not totally ignorant as was George W. Bush who surrounded himself with Muslim Brotherhood and declared Islam is a religion of peace, at the same time allowing Bin Laden family members to flee. Trump is also not like Obama who actually studied Islam and loves Islam and was willing to defend Mohammed and Islam against Islamophobes. So give Trump a little bit of credit and a little bit of acknowledgement and support in attempting to deal with a massive problem, that’s what I am saying. It’d be nice to think that he has some people on his side.

          • Mark Goldberg

            But see, that’s where your skewed. Geller and Spenser aren’t at all suggesting that our leaders have to start discussion why Islam is a ‘degenerate religion’.
            That’s not the issue…. the issue is this: What role does Jihad play in Islam, and if it is quintessential Islam, which it is, then to ignore the role of Jihad in Islam and in world conflicts. To pretend that the 500,000 murdered and injured just since 9/11 is not due to Jihad and to continue to urge muslim nations to insist that they only represent peaceful Islam is not merely self deception disorder, but allows the lie from Islamic nations that all those who died, and are injured are due to a false terrorism which is not Islam.
            They wouldn’t expect anything but that… that we simply acknowledge the reality and demand that they do too. To call Islam a degenerate religion is not they’re goal. And you are correct that Trump is ahead of Bush, but again, he has the professional appeasers all throughout his deep state, the military that has been coopted for the last 10 yrs unto political correctness and this is hugely problematic for Trump.
            That’s why he’s having to fight the non existent russian issue everyday, since they don’t want Trump taking apart their global state goals and this also means they do not want Islam painted in any way other than a religion of peace.

          • RCCA

            Sorry, but I’m going to have to give you a flunking grade on reading comprehension. It’s odd how you take a comment literally and out of context but miss the point entirely because of sloppy reading skills. I regret I don’t have the patience to hold your hand and go through line by line — apparently you are confused about Trump’s intentions as well as the statement by McMaster where he stated unequivocally that our Muslim allies “must take a strong stand against radical Islamic ideology.” Nowhere did McMaster or Trump claim that our Muslim allies represent a peaceful Islam, that’s your wrong interpretation; in fact McMaster’s statement was the exact opposite: that our Muslim allies do not represent a peaceful version of Islam because thus far they have not taken a strong stand against radical Islamic ideology. We know for example that Saudi Arabia practices and exports a strict interpretation of Islam. That was good enough for Bush and Obama but not for Trump. Everyone knows that, except maybe for you.

            Spencer complained that “United States will take no official (or non-official) notice of the fact that the motivating ideology of jihad terrorists worldwide comes from the Qur’an and Sunnah.” Duh, of course the US govt. is not going to discuss the specifics of the Koran and the Sunna, IOW as I rhetorically called it, the degenerate nature of Islam.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            LOL, “our Muslim allies”. Why don’t you move to one of these “allied” muslum states then?

          • Mark Goldberg

            Spencer was simply being frank and forthright, and it is you who are wearing nearsighted spectacles. You are engaging wishful thinking, simply because as you mention McMaster state unequivocally that our muslim allies must take a strong stand against radical Islamic theology. That is what for 25 yrs has been echoed and the muslims have again and again stated that that’s what they are, what they represent and how dare anyone question them, or their religion. So… you think that McMaster will indeed slam the door shut. I say- I could only dream of such happening, which would be the equivalent of what Spencer asks for. And now that Abbas, stated his ‘peaceful’ intensions’ and raising of his people to Trump, then went the next day to anoint a terrorist murderer and for a released terrorist murderer elected as mayor of Hebron in Israel yesterday, of course the game goes on and on and on. We will all see. I could only dream that we will see change, but it is likely never to happen. I am not the one with idealistic dreams, but you are. And McMaster has demonstrated that he indeed is satisfied with such appeasement in the past. Further, you stated that Spence wanted them to admit to a degenerate religion and that’s nonsense. That is interpreting what he discusses at the lowest level which is in your mind, and never in his words for political discussions.

          • RCCA

            Trump is signaling a change. Instead of rejecting his approach I prefer to see how it works out.

            I recall discussions on this site when Geller utterly rejected Trump and I disagreed and then got attacked by her sycophants with the same exact insults as today. No one ever bothered to apologize for their rudeness (I could name names but I think any regular reader knows who they are) or has bothered to say they were wrong.

            I do appreciate you making an effort to communicate rather than resorting to insults. We disagree for now, but time will tell who is correct.

          • Mark Goldberg

            We can only hope that Trump gets his way, but there are enormous obstacles in his way. Spencer and Geller have been rather spot on with there analyses of Jihad, and I’ve seen nothing from them except showing the effects of sharia, Jihad, and the sources. The idea that we have to all shut our eyes is maddening and an enormous failure. It does not mean you have to get the saudi’s or any of them to discuss their religion as ‘degenerate’ but it does mean that forcing them to recognize Jihad, their very own theologic precept and all the attendant Sharia laws in that regard, and the concomitant ramifications ( the 500,000 injured and or dead since 9/11) that impact political and social concerns of the US, have to be cognizant of that reality. Now, we can be bamboozled by the globalists, and the leftists, and all the appeasers that anyone who thinks about this is a hater, a bigot, a populist, et al, or we can insist on the sanity clause in our national and international dealings. I refer to the great marx- zeppo, who said ‘Their ain’t no Sanity Klaus’ and he was correct.
            We won’t be able to get the Saudi’s or the paki’s or the Shia’s to come to any acceptance of any of that. But we can, and we need too. If we can understand that there is no such thing as ‘Islamism’ but rather, it’s the bastard child, but beloved by Islam, we can understand that
            minimizing Immigration, getting fully energy independent, and not fighting to be ‘policemen’ of the world, but rather only fight to win, we can win our nation back.
            Trump has his hands full with the swamp rats trying desperately to pull him back and to diminish any and all such actions as might speak of what he rightfully wishes to accomplish. Parenthetically, there is a good article over at the augean stables, by prof R Landes, here’s the url, on shame and honor in islam, that might interest you. http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2017/04/25/how-to-deal-with-honor-shame-dynamics-with-dignity-refuse-proleptic-dhimmitude/
            Anyway, the swamp is trying to drain Trump and I can only hope that he might be as stubborn as I’d wish, and to hell with all the bloviators- and I hope you are right!!
            But I don’t believe it will be enough to satisfy you or I…. still, one can only hope.

          • RCCA

            Trump has more energy and confidence than anyone I have ever seen. But, I’ve also never seen the type of endless lies and vile attacks he’s being subjected to — it’s actually getting worse. The media, the Dem’s and the rotten Republicans are going completely unhinged to sink Trump. I think all that increases Trump’s resolve and that inspires me. I pray for his safety and strength.

          • Mark Goldberg

            I agree with you. I’ve never seen the bottom feeders of the dems, the left, act so utterly contrary to the basic interests of the US, contrary to common decency. But this has been going downhill for some 25 yrs at least and now, we’ve seen most disgusting attempts to invalidate a presidency by pure character assassination, and worse. And yes the repubs who toady up to all this are a disgrace. And Trump has to live in that swamp, and answer to it even when it’s beyond preposterous. The utopianism of the left, the dems, marries the ideology of the muslims refusing any critique, let alone criticism. They cannot believe but that their ‘progressivism’ could have lost, as they are self anointed, and must see others as never worthy of consideration. And the swamp is where they live.

          • Mark Goldberg

            Just as an aside. Spencer wrote over at frontagemag.com an article that is indicative of just how low the bottom goes. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266719/icelandic-leftist-poisons-robert-spencer-robert-spencer

            He was in Iceland, and he gave a lecture and afterwards at a local watering hole, where he was meeting people he was poisoned, and had to be hospitalized and recover for a couple days. The police were notified, people identified, and this is not some faked event, but rather a criminal assault. You will not see anything in any newspaper about the unbelievable criminal action against a public speaker.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Incredible, it’ll be interesting to see whether or not the fish-eating law enforcement of Iceland ever charge anyone w/a crime…

          • Mark Goldberg

            “I think the president is attempting to shame the Muslim world into joining the “civilized” world. At least it will put their barbarity into perspective and force them to make a choice. They can either join the civilized world and condemn the violence of their faith, or we’ll have to deal with them in less pleasant ways”

            You said that. Now, Shaming the muslim world has utterly failed, because it needs the one thing that Spencer discusses Jihad as the reality of Islam, which it is, and the bigotry, hatred, and oppression of others as it’s practice. The hijira presently going on in Europe is exactly part of that Jihad, but there is not such admission from the muslim nations except that they are being oppressed and bigotry prevents ‘immigrants from being allowed equality in the west’ etc. You also said, that you don’t expect muslim nations to change or admit to lying, but then All Spencer has advocated is that WE change by discussing Jihad, and not lying to ourselves. Then we can formulate more realistic policies based upon our more legitimate understanding and that would force the muslim nations hands- not shame them. That is foolish to think we could ‘shame’ them, when we can’t get them to admit it’s even a part of Islam’s sharia. We are not allowed to critique, let alone criticize any of it.And McMaster is

            nowhere in his political history shown to be capable of enforcing any change in that understanding. Could Trump turn over a new card? I can only dream that it’s ‘possible’.

            But it’s more likely McMaster will fail him, as will all the dems, and most of the republicans too. And the muslims will hide behind all that appeasement and wait out the long term as they always do, as the bodies pile up.

            I started discussing this with you giving you credit for attempting a ‘rational’ explanation. I notice you defer to talking down to people when they don’t agree with you. I also speak and read english… it is my mother tongue.

          • Philosophy

            No one…even Trump also come in to list of no one….. can speak with Muslim, they are at war with Civilization, following their religious book, which is most accurate book in guiding war against Secular World.

            President and his supporters are making biggest mistake in speaking with them. They have to work for De-Islamization of America. The only option for America and also for all Civilized Nation.

          • Bronish

            You are correct in your assessment of Islam. Jihad is pure Islam. Like Geller routinely states, “It’s in the Quran”.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      “…adopt a peaceful style of religion”. Yeah and maybe nazis should’ve given up their antisemitism eh?
      Do you specialize in muslum apologia?

      • RCCA

        I don’t think there is much chance that Muslims will stop lying about their religion or make any effort to rein in “radicals.” Does that sound like I am an apologist?

  • santashandler

    Well, it seems, McMaster is a ‘deep state’ member disguised as a politician working in the interests of the American people. Trump would be well advised to listen to everyone near him, including those not so near to him to get a real understanding of the Muslim problem. Of course, Trump may not have a choice at this point, unfortunately.

    • wildjew

      What possessed him to appoint this man? There were warnings on conservative websites. Does he only watch Fox News? Where was Stephen Bannon.

      • tatka150

        I’m sure his son-in-law helped to appoint this muzrat. Kushner obviously screwing things around. Manhattan libertad. Nothing good will come out of his “advises”. Kushner go home

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        I find myself liking Cruz more and more and hoping he runs in 2020.

        • wildjew

          Now it is being reported by Israel National News, the Trump administration might demand deep concessions by the Israelis in exchange for moving the U.S. ambassador to Israel’s capital; in exchange for honoring his pledge. I say let Trump keep his ambassador in Tel Aviv. We will keep our land.

          http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/229653

          ‘PM isn’t going to commit political suicide for embassy move’

          Coalition chairman says US is seriously considering moving embassy, but PM Netanyahu not ready to pay the political price the US may demand.

          • OldBags4Hillary

            Careful this boy like Schmeckle 🍆💦

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Have you ever had any muslum nuts hanging off your chin?

          • OldBags4Hillary

            No. I’m not gay like BB.

    • tatka150

      Trump is a President so far. And he must have a choice. Otherwise WtH do we need the President at all? We have enough clowns on TV shows. President must act and fulfill his election promises. Did he mention “Hitlery to jail?”.

  • wildjew

    On Meet the Press this morning, Sec. of State Rex Tillerson said the following:

    “Well, Chuck, this is a very important trip that the president will be embarking on later in the week. I think, as you know, he’s going to visit, on the first half of the trip, three countries. Great centers that represent important religions in the world. The Muslim faith in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Judaism when he visits Israel, and Christianity when he visits the pope in the Vatican….”

    No question, to millions of Jews worldwide, Israel represents Judaism. I don’t want to offend my mentor (Robert Spencer, yet even he might agree with me on this), it is questionable this pope represents Christianity or Jesus – Jesus would not say the things about Islam / jihad that he is saying. But the idea that Saudi Arabia represents Islam is a peculiar one for the Trump administration to put forward (one I agree with) in light of the fact Saudi Arabia exports this murderous and violent stream of Islam globally, was behind the September attacks and financing Sunni jihadi groups all over the Middle East.

    I am re-reading Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s book, “Infidel.” She and her family move from Somalia to Saudi Arabia for a time. This is what she wrote in part:

    ‘My mother didn’t want to move to Ethiopia, because Ethiopians were Christians: unbelievers. Saudi Arabia was God’s country, the homeland of the Prophet Muhammad. A truly Muslim country, it was resonant with Allah, the most suitable place to bring up children. My mother had learned Arabic in Aden; more important, she also imbibed a vision that Islam was purer, deeper, closer to God in the countries of the Arabian peninsula. Saudi Arabian law came straight from the Quran: it was the law of Allah. Inevitably, the life of our family, reunited in Saudi Arabia, would be predictable, certain, and good…..For now we were well and truly stuck. This was Saudi Arabia, where Islam originated, governed strictly according to the scriptures and example of the Prophet Muhammad. And by law, all women in Saudi Arabia must be in the care of a man….’

    Infidel, by Ayaan Hirsi Ali

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      I’m sure a street preaching, Jewish carpenter living under the Roman occupation in the 1st century CE would love the imperial Roman fashion and hierarchy of the CC. Bling was what Yeshua was all about!

  • wildjew

    I am shocked! Our prime minister is actually standing up for Israel and for Jewish rights to our land or am I dreaming?

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-assures-tillerson-moving-embassy-to-jerusalem-will-help-peace/

  • Dan Knight

    Foreign Policy … doesn’t that magazine represent the foreign policy of Anti-American governments and lobbyists?

  • Dan Knight

    Face palm… Trump needs to fire McMaster …

    Come to think of it – where’s Flynn?

    • tatka150

      The dark forces framed Flynn. After firing of Comey and all the scandals related to it, Trump should apologize for Flynn and call him back. Flynn is a great patriot. McMaster is a typical traitor.

  • Craig

    Cowardice and capitulation, the operational words of the politically correct elites.

    I doubt if ANY of these elitist morons have read the quaran or even understand that shariah is incompatible with civilized humanity.

    Buy a gun. learn how to use it and refuse to be a victim.

    • Philosophy

      You are right, more learned–Phd–means more moron. Donald Trump was true before President of US, When he formulate his saying in such terms, ‘ Islam is at war with West’ he was true, and now when he decide to help them with Weapon…Who can say him as True?

  • Drew the Infidel

    I know I stand the chance of being proven wrong but I’m not going to be so quick to be dismissive by accusing President Trump of mass behavior syndrome. Anything but, as we saw when he got tough with NATO and put the squeeze on the various members to cough up their treaty obligation of 2% of their GDP to qualify for mutual protection.

  • BobbyTQ

    We did not vote for Ivanka. We did not vote for Kushner. We don’t want McMaster leading us into war in the middle east AGAIN. And we don’t want Sessions igniting the failed “drug war”. We want peace and prosperity, and Trump needs to stop listening to these people and do the right thing, namely the things he promised that got him elected. Drain the swamp, don’t jump into it!Firing Comey was a start. Now it’s time to fire all the deep state operatives that Obama left behind. He cannot make nice with these people. He has to get rid of them.

  • movingwaters

    Excellent article, and true on all points.

  • Mauricio Szwerdszarf

    You DO NOT have Muslim Allies you moron.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      Ding, ding we have a WINNAH!

  • wildjew

    ‘Senior member of Trump team said to tell Israelis: Western Wall is not your territory’

    Bitter diplomatic spat over Jews’ holiest place of prayer reported during preparation for president’s visit; Netanyahu’s office said seeking clarification from DC

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-member-of-trump-team-said-to-tell-israelis-western-wall-is-not-your-territory/

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      Isn’t it funny how the names of these scumbags are never revealed? At least Trump isn’t shy about firing scumbags.

  • Chris Wolf

    Fifth-column Washington Post journalist Greg Miller says their is “a lot of concern” in the intelligence community about Trump’s “discipline and ability to keep secrets.”
    But he didn’t bat an eye when obama sent billions in cash to the number one sponsor of terror, Iran, and set it on a glide path to a nuclear weapon in less than a decade.
    They’re all on medication and/or drunk on their radical ideology, careerism and cool kids clique status — and we’re all in deep trouble unless we eradicate them immediately.

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