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FOX NEWS VIDEO: Pamela Geller and Lauren Green Discuss Orlando Mass Murder, His Imam and Jihad Recruitment in US Mosques


WATCH: I am interviewed by Lauren Green of FOX News on the Orlando jihad, his imam and jihad recruiting in American mosques.

Re: Mosque Surveys:

In 1998, Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi leader, visited 114 mosques in the United States. Then he gave testimony before a State Department Open Forum in January 1999, and asserted that 80% of American mosques taught the “extremist ideology.”
Then there was the Center for Religious Freedom’s 2005 study, and the Mapping Sharia Project’s 2008 study. Each independently showed that upwards of 80% of mosques in America were preaching hatred of Jews and Christians and the necessity ultimately to impose Islamic rule.

And in the summer of 2011 came another study showing that only 19% of mosques in U.S. don’t teach jihad violence and/or Islamic supremacism.

Omar Mateen was a student of Marcus Robertson (Abu Taubah), an Orlando-based radical Muslim who once served as a bodyguard to Omar Abdel Rahman — the notorious “Blind Sheikh” Robertson, a former U.S. marine with a serious criminal record, is now 47. His “school,” the “Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary,” is not a learning center, but an indoctrination center for jihad incitement. Omar Mateen learned Islam from Abu Taubah, a convicted criminal who preaches jihad. Abu Taubah also preaches hatred of gays.

The Orlando Jihadist and the Blind Sheikh’s Bodyguard
Connecting dots between two of the two biggest terror attacks on U.S. soil. By Andrew C. McCarthy, NRO,  — June 14, 2016

According to Fox News, Omar Mateen, the jihadist who carried out the mass-murder attack at a gay nightclub in Florida this weekend, was a student of Marcus Robertson, an Orlando-based radical Muslim who once served as a bodyguard to Omar Abdel Rahman — the notorious “Blind Sheikh” whom I prosecuted for terrorism crimes in the early to mid 1990s.

Robertson, a former U.S. marine with a serious criminal record, is now 47. That means he was in his early twenties when the Blind Sheikh lived in the New York metropolitan area. It was a commonplace in those days for the Sheikh to travel with an entourage, including bodyguards from various groups (e.g., his fellow native Egyptians, Palestinians associated with Hamas, Sudanese Muslims who lived in New Jersey, and — often in Brooklyn, where he frequented the Farooq and Taqua mosques — African-American Muslims, most of them converts to Islam).

In the spring of 1993, members of the Blind Sheikh’s cell were plotting to follow up the February 26 World Trade Center bombing with simultaneous bombings of several New York City landmarks (including the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the U.N.’s headquarters, and the FBI’s lower-Manhattan field office). The jihadists planning the landmarks attacks turned to a man named Clement Hampton-el for help obtaining detonators. In a conversation recorded by an FBI informant, Hampton-el explained that it had recently become harder for him to get detonators because his sources had recently been arrested by the FBI in Pennsylvania. He described these sources as members of a gang that robbed banks and post offices —activities ordinarily illegal under Islamic law but that, according to the Blind Sheikh, were permissible as long as a chunk of the proceeds went to support jihad. Before the FBI shut the gang down, Hampton-el said they had been able to supply “C-4s, M-16s, AKs, detonators, bulletproof vests — they had everything.”

In the recorded conversation, Hampton-el recounted being a longtime friend of the father-in-law of one of the arrested men. Because of that, he contributed money for the man’s defense. But to his great annoyance, Hampton-el learned that the arrested man had cooperated with the FBI and “talked on everybody.”

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At our trial, Hampton-el testified in his own defense, implausibly claiming that he had “made up” the story about the gang. But when we cross-examined him, he admitted to being a longtime friend of a man named Suliman el-Hadi, who just happened to have a son-in-law named Marcus Robertson. In a remarkable coincidence, Robertson just happened to have been arrested by the FBI in Pennsylvania, to have pled guilty to a series of bank and post-office robberies, and to have gotten sentencing leniency because he cooperated with the government. Grudgingly, Hampton-el conceded that he just might know Marcus Robertson personally, might have had some meetings with him, and might even have seen him in the company of the Blind Sheikh at the Farooq mosque.

Small world. Well, Fox News reports that in 1991, Marcus Robertson joined with other Muslims who were former security guards in a robbery gang they dubbed “Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves.” According to a private investigator in Florida, the group committed armed robberies of more than ten banks, private homes, and post offices; shot three police officers; and attacked one cop after he was injured by a homemade pipe bomb. It is alleged that Robertson — Ali Baba — donated more than $300,000 of the robbery proceeds to mosques he attended. Fox says prosecutors also claim Robertson has committed murders in addition to using pipe bombs, C-4, and other explosives. Nevertheless, he has never been convicted of those things and was given extraordinary leniency in the robbery case, serving just four years in prison.

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Physically, Robertson is a very capable man. He served in the Marine Corps from 1986 until 1990, when he was reportedly discharged as a corporal, having been trained in marksmanship, scuba diving, counterterrorism, parachuting, surveillance tactics, communications equipment, infantry patrolling, and finance. Fox could not verify Robertson’s claims to have served in the Joint Special Operations Command, an elite counterterrorism unit.

Reportedly, his military training and involvement with both crime and terrorists convinced federal intelligence agencies that he might be a useful covert operative. This reflects a seamy side of national security, particularly in the field of foreign intelligence: The sort of people who can credibly pass for violent jihadists in order to infiltrate terror cells will often be former violent jihadists. Or, worse, they will be unreformed violent jihadists who pretend to work against the terrorists but are actually still with them. In any event, our agencies have to rely on a lot of bad people in order to learn what other bad people are plotting against us. They must constantly guard against being gamed.

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In Robertson’s case, it is reported that he agreed to work for the government, gathering intelligence both overseas and in the United States. According to Fox, however, he was expelled from the covert informant program in early 2007 after attacking his CIA handler in Africa.

By 2008, he surfaced in Orlando, and became known by his Muslim name, Abu Taubah. The Investigative Project on Terrorism reported in 2012 that Robertson was the imam at the al-Ihsaan mosque (formerly, the Islamic Center of Orlando). He also ran an online Muslim education enterprise, known for years as the “Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary” (FIKS) — although the name was recently changed to the “Timbuktu Seminary.” Robertson’s seminary has apparently been a springboard for lecturing gigs at universities in the United States and overseas.

Omar Mateen, the terrorist who killed 49 people and wounded over 50 others at a gay nightclub in Orlando over the weekend, had enrolled in Robertson’s seminary. At least one other student of Robertson’s has been convicted (along with Robertson) in a case that had terrorism implications. Robertson’s lectures are said to include a staple of sharia: the condemnation of homosexuals — whom Robertson refers to as “devil worshipers.”

The government suspects — with abundant reason, it appears — that Robertson’s prominence in the mosque, the online seminary, and the teaching circuit have given him ample opportunity to radicalize young Muslim men: not only indoctrinating them in sharia-supremacist ideology but also possibly providing them with paramilitary training.

For example, Robertson is alleged to have instructed one of his Orlando students, Jonathan Paul Jimenez, to file false tax returns for the purpose of obtaining funds that would pay for travel to Mauritania for jihadist training. Perhaps I should say additional jihadist training. Prosecutors, Fox reports, produced intercepted conversations showing that Robertson had trained Jimenez “in killing, suicide bombing, and identifying and murdering United States military personnel.”

Of course, if the government’s evidence had been as compelling as the Fox report makes it sound, one would figure that Robertson and Jimenez would have been charged with terrorism crimes. But the statements outlined in the Fox report appear to involve Jimenez talking about Robertson, not Robertson himself volunteering anything incriminating. Robertson’s computers also raised alarms when agents searched them and found documents about terrorist ideology from the U.S. Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center, and military reports on psy-ops and interrogation. It is not illegal, however, to possess these items, notwithstanding their obvious usefulness to a trainer of terrorists.

In any event, it appears that Jimenez was charged only with false statements and conspiring to defraud the IRS. He was sentenced to ten years’ imprisonment.

Robertson was apparently charged with some kind of minor firearms offense in 2011 and pled guilty in January 2012. Two months later, the Justice Department charged him with the Jimenez tax-fraud conspiracy, for which he was found guilty in 2013. In neither case did the government charge him with terrorism crimes. Yet prosecutors tried to slide terrorism into the mix at sentencing. They urged that, in imposing sentence on Robertson for the gun and fraud counts, U.S. district judge Gregory Presnell should factor in that he had been involved in terrorism activities, “focused on training others to commit violent acts” overseas.

This is a too-cute-by-half strategy the government sometimes attempts: Get a dangerous defendant convicted on easy-to-prove, comparatively minor charges and then push the judge to give him a maximum sentence based on a “terrorism enhancement” — i.e., an allegation of terrorist activity of which the defendant has not been convicted. The strategy is legal because prosecutors are not technically asking that the defendant be sentenced on the uncharged terrorism crime; they seek a sentence at the top of the range prescribed for the minor crimes for which the defendant has been convicted. But there is no getting around that, were it not for the “unconvicted” terrorism conduct, the defendant would get a much lower sentence.

This rubs many judges (and probably a lot of Americans) the wrong way: Most of us believe that if prosecutors want to sentence someone for terrorism, they should indict and convict him for terrorism. That was plainly the feeling of Judge Presnell, who concluded that the Justice Department’s terrorism evidence against Robertson was weak. While not doubting the Justice Department’s insistence that Robertson is a bad guy, the judge rejected the ten-year terrorism enhancement and sentenced Robinson to time served (about four years) on June 26, 2015.

Judge Presnell and the prosecutors had every reason to believe that Robertson was a bad guy. Fox reports that while in custody:

Robertson was considered so dangerous, he was kept in shackles and assigned his own guards. Whenever he was transported to court, a seven-car caravan of armed federal marshals escorted him. He was initially moved into solitary confinement after prison authorities believed he was radicalizing up to 36 of his fellow prisoners.

Now, we know that Omar Mateen enrolled in Robertson’s online seminary. Is there more to the story than that? For now, we do not know. In investigating the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, the FBI will be chasing numerous leads. Some of these leads will center on the relationship between Mateen, an apparently trained terrorist, and Robertson, a former Blind Sheikh bodyguard whom the government has long suspected of training terrorists.

  • Richard

    Pamela, you were well spoken as always. But those false eyelashes were over the top. Every time you blinked I half expected them to reach out of my monitor and brush me.

    • eloivsdiablo

      Those eye lashes did brush me, right upside my heart string… :-)

    • Shabbat Shalom Richard

      Something tells us Richard you wish those long false eyelashes would reach out and brush you. lol

      • Richard

        I wouldn’t complain.

  • wildjew

    Great job.

  • Great Interview

    Great interview. Pamela always looks great, stylish, attractive, and always interesting.

    The Obamanites would like to paint the attack in Orlando as having its basis in homophobia because it protects the establishment’s failure to contain Muslim radicals. It also dilutes the republican candidate’s argument about Muslim immigration by deflecting the blame onto homophobia and not where it may rightfully belong – radical Muslims!!! Expect more of this kind of reporting.

    • catherineinpvb

      Appreciate always; that ‘Fox News’ invites the brilliant Pamela Geller as guest, to share her wisdom. She is ‘otherwise’ a Media pariah; at behest of the ‘Left’; whose enemy sympathies are long known. Pamela courageously, nails the truth. And the Left recoils in pain. . .and then goes into action.

    • Steve

      Its really amazing. They are actually throwing the gays under the bus here with a patronizing agenda in that they are lying to them about the danger they face from islamism. This murderer may have been a closet case but he was an islamist. Its not about guns either because if he hadn’t used one he would have used a bomb, gasoline and a match, a knife, a car, etc. The weapon wasn’t an ar-15 in any case and that’s what the demoncrats (just like the nazis they are) want to control as in reality if their is marshall law they would offer better defense than a handgun in many cases. The demoncrats are spin masters and the right must be vigilant to expose the charade. As far as the fake bureau of investigation that had a chance to get this guy they blew it and the message being propagated is that “see something say something” is just so much wasted time at best and possibly dangerous at worse for those brave enough to step up.

  • Good Interview

    We need to monitor the Muslims that are already here as well as Muslims who are new to the country. We also need to monitor the mosques. Lets face it nine times out of ten its a Muslim finger on the trigger that ends up murdering innocent people all over the world like in New York, Boston, Mumbai, Israel, Belgium, France etc. They all pledge allegiance to Islam. Sadly Christians are being murdered in the Middle East today and the only country in the Middle East where Christians are safe is Israel.

    Obama who claims to be a Christian although he spends all his time defending Muslims and Islam never thanks Israel for protecting Christians.

    BTW I watched the video again and Pamela Geller looked fantastic, slim, nice hair, stylish, her makeup was applied beautifully. I agree the false eyelashes were not needed as she really looked amazing.

    • Mahou Shoujo

      Other than “taqiyya” there is no evidence to indicate hussain is anything but a muslim.

  • Bob Jones

    The illuminati is behind all of this. The Royal families create all these religious texts and insert verses to turn people hateful of other religions. The Royal families and Vatican put Hitler in power. And the Bush family also financed Hitler. They are all playing us like pawns. Their goal is to keep us all separated and divided. it’s the only way they can stay in power. If we all unite it’s game over for the controllers.
    Look up “Project paperclip” which is when the U.S. government snuck in thousands of head Nazi’s from Germany in the 1940’s and gave them top positions in Nasa and CIA. Look up Uri Geller’s photo with him and head Nazi Warner Von Braun whom the illuminati snuck into the U.S. military and gave him a job. Top dangerous Nazi’s like Dr. Mengala were also snuck into the U.S military. People like Stewart Swerdlow said he was experimented on Nazi germany style in the U.S. as a child. Even Dr. Fred Bell said that he worked with top Nazi’s for the U. S government.

    The truth is, the Royal famliies and Vatican are the REAL Nazi’s. They are financing the Muslims extremists and training them. They are trying to cause mass havoc as they know this is their end game on this planet if they don’t cause mass violence and tragedy at this point in time. The Schumann Resonance of our planet is rising and DNA of the human race is being activated at this time. if we unite humanity we rise our spirituality and our world will reflect this energetically. We live in a holographic reality where our thoughts and actions create reality and our toxic hate creates a miserable world and it’s “laws of attraction”. The world we see is the world we create with our toxic thoughts. We have to unite humanity right now and now let them divide us anymore. We have to realize that the controllers want us divided.

    The illuminati and the Bush family were behind Hitler. They staged the whole thing and sacrificed our families so they could have an excuse to get Israel. They used us and killed my family for political reasons. The Nazi’s are still in power. The Bush family are top Nazi’s. Look up photos of the Bush family and Nazi’s. you will see that they are connected. We have been lied to. The Royal families and Vatican are Nazi’s. they are staging all these events including the events in Gaza strip with financing terrorists. They are the Nazi’s who want us all killing one another.

    We live in a holographic reality. Read the book “holographic Universe”. We create our reality with our thoughts. If we think in division and hate then we create that world. WE have to work on peace by gathering peace groups. Look up the Abrahamic reunion group in Israel where Christians, Jews and Muslims come together and pray for peace. We need to do this and let the illuminati know that they cannot force hate anymore. They are keeping everyone suffering financially and this causing stress and fear. And then they add in religious bull crap with fake verses that talk about hatred and fear plus propoganda gets people to hate.

    We need to unite humanity now and gather peace groups and peace prayer groups. Prayer is energy and we need to stop feeding the fears and hatred, and we need to go the other way and evolve this planet. Look up Abrahamic reunion and see this is what we need all over the world. We have to stop allowing the illuminati to manipulate us into hatred. not all Muslims are like the terrorists. i have a feeling that most statistics are created by those who have an agenda to propagandize the people. We need to fuel compassion and kindess and stop playing the lower frequency games. Research Laws of Attraction and see that it’s backed by science IQuantum physics). We create our reality based on our energies that we emit. Our thoughts are energies like radio waves. The world you see is what the human race is creating with their toxic thoughts.

    • Steve

      I am not sure about all you say but i do know that the hill-bill-ary beast is one of the mega rich and her husband has had regular visits to “orgy island” to share his “statesman” skills with young women invited to an island for “vacations” with a convicted pedophile off costa rica.

      The problem of course for all the claims about the illuminati and other groups is that they stay essentially secret and its hard to know what they do. I for one believe a lot of secret societies exist and that there are many of the “elite” involved in them. One can only imagine what things they promote and what these people do but there is enough information to be assured they exist.

  • Underzog

    At last the Fox News Channel had Pamela Geller on to comment on this. The commentator, Lauren Green, came in for some really vicious attacks because she dared to state that pro Iranian creep she had on was a Muslim. The Muslim then lied about his credentials in touting his ignorant book about Jesus Christ. Lauren Green has a dvd called “Classic Beauty.” It is a collection of her piano pieces. I bought one of those dvds.

  • joe1429

    Go pam!

  • Drew the Infidel

    Another constitutional moment defined. If spouting muderous rhetoric is going to be given a free pass under the First Amendment then criticism of it and armed defense against it is given license by the First and Second Amendments. Freedom 1, muzzies 0.

  • s;vbkr0boc,klos;

    Hard to believe how long ago The Blind Sheikh and lst WTC bombing were and still they are operating on our soil with impunity – bigger than ever.

  • Steve

    This islamist cancer is spreading its physical murdering and psychological torment across the west and in our country. The hill-bill-ary beast would carry on for the traitorous enabler in chief who has helped at every turn to open the doors of our country to this death cult. We must do all we can to stop this disease and expose the enemy from without and within. Trump 2016!

  • Arkansas MIke

    Great video and interview. Pamela, you have the most beautiful hair I have ever seen. And that’s not all.

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