How the American media covers [up] Islamic practice of female genital mutilation (FGM)

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Female genital mutilation is an Islamic ritual rampant in the Muslim world. With the increase of Muslim immigration into the United States, so, too, have clitordectomies increased. There have been at least 500,000 girls in U.S. who have undergone genital mutilation, or are at risk of having it done.

The enemedia always goes out of its way to censor such stories or they scrub Islam from any connection with this misogynistic Islamic practice. Dissemblers and deceivers claim that FGM is a cultural phenomenon, not religious. FGM is an Islamic cultural phenomenon. FGM is found only within and adjacent to Muslim communities (source: Gerry Mackie, “Ending Footbinding and Infibulation: A Convention Account,” American Sociological Review).

Now that no less than three Muslim doctors have been arrested in Michigan for performing female genital mutilations, the media is rushing to scrub Islam from this Islamic story. Nowhere is Islam mentioned in this article, but the Detroit Free Press, a notoriously pro-Islamic newspaper near Dearborn, runs this completely random and misleading piece of misinformation:

A. Renee Bergstrom, 72, of Minnesota, said a fundamentalist, Christian doctor mutilated her genitals in 1947 to prevent her from masturbating when she grew up.

Despicable.

They had to go all the way back to 1947 to find this freak account. “Christian doctor.” But nowhere in this article does the writer Tresa Baldas ever mention the millions of Muslim clit cutters. These people are evil.

Over 96% of the girls in Egypt, the largest Muslim country in the Middle East, have been cut.

Genital mutilation victims break their silence: ‘This is demonic’

By Tresa Baldas, Detroit Free Press, April 23, 2017:

Millions of little girls and young women have been subjected to a painful rite of passage that involves cutting their genitals — often without anesthesia — for centuries in parts of Asia, Africa and the Middle East. 

CDC says at least 500,000 females in U.S. have undergone genital mutilation, or are at risk of having it done.

Mariya Taher was 7 years old,  vacationing in India with her family, when one day her mother took her to a run-down apartment building without explaining why.

She remembers climbing some stairs, opening a door and seeing older women in a room. There was laughter, and the place seemed cheerful.

But then came the betrayal.

The child ended up on the floor. Her dress was lifted up.

“I remember something sharp down there and then I remember crying,” Taher, now 34, recalls. “I remember my mom comforting me afterward and holding me in her lap.”

A decade later, Taher would better understand what happened to her on that summer day in Mumbai. She had survived the taboo ritual of female genital mutilation, a decades-old religious tradition that millions of women worldwide continue to be subjected to, including a half million in the U.S., where a historic criminal case involving the practice is unfolding in Detroit.

In a first-of-its kind federal prosecution, authorities have charged  three people for their alleged roles in the genital cuttings of two 7-year-old  Minnesota girls at a Livonia clinic in February.  Authorities say the girls came to Michigan with their mothers, thinking it was a special girls trip, but ended up having their genitals cut instead.

Dr. Jumana Nagarwala, 44, of Northville, who was arrested April 12, is accused of  cutting the girls and, if convicted, could get life in prison.

Dr. Fakhruddin Attar, 53, of Livonia and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, were arrested Friday. He is accused of letting Nagarwala use his clinic to perform the procedure, while his wife is accused of holding the girls’ hands to comfort them during the cuttings.

All three defendants  belong to a small, Indian-Muslim community known as the Dawoodi Bohra, whose members say genital cutting is a deeply entrenched social and cultural norm, with some women viewing it as normal as having a period. Celebration parties are held after the cuttings, and the women and girls are supposed to keep it a secret. One of the key reasons for the procedure, victims say, is to curb a woman’s sexuality.

Taher,  who lives in Cambridge, Mass., grew up in the Bohra community in the U.S. and is closely following the Michigan case along with several other cutting victims who spoke to the Free Press last week about their painful pasts and the stigma of growing up feeling different, betrayed, ashamed.  Like the victims in the Michigan case, they were told to tell no one about the cutting, that it was a special secret.

But the now-grown women are done being quiet.

After years of suffering in silence, fearful of getting shunned by their families and communities if they denounced genital mutilation, they are speaking out and demanding change. They want the cutters punished,  along with religious leaders and parents who continue to support a practice that is illegal in the U.S. and has been condemned by the World Health Organization.

 The Michigan case, they say, has emboldened them, particularly because the doctor’s defense revolves around an all-too-familiar argument made by the Bohra community: that the mild, ritual “nick” or “shaving” isn’t actual cutting.  The victims disagree, they say, and they have the mental and physical scars to prove it.

“It’s taken me a long time to be as comfortable as I am,” said Taher, who hopes that her Sahiyo campaign to end female genital mutilation will gain momentum from the Michigan case.  “We can’t have this happening … Whether it’s a tradition, for religious reasons or for sex, I see all of it as controlling someone. This is a form of gender violence. It’s a form of child abuse. It’s oppression.”

Activists and world health leaders stress that genital cutting affects girls of all socioeconomic backgrounds and occurs in all parts of the world, not just in remote villages in Africa or Asia, but here in the U.S., too. To stress this point, the  State Department this month released a video highlighting American survivors of female genital cutting, including  a white American woman whose cutter, she says, was a fundamentalist Christian who mutilated her at age 3 to prevent her from masturbating later in life.

Coincidentally, the video was released on April 14, the day after the Northville doctor was charged in what would become the nation’s first federal criminal prosecution of genital cutting.

A shadowy figure

At 43, Alifya Sulemanji can still vividly recall the dark shadowy figure coming over her more than three decades ago.

It was a faceless old woman with a razor in her hand. She was 7, and her mother, an aunt and a cousin had taken her to an old building in a shady part of Bombay to — as they told her — “take a worm out of my body.”  She remembers climbing some stairs and entering a dark, dingy room. Then the shadowy figure appeared.

“They just made me lie down and they started cutting me with a blade,”  recalled Sulemanji, who remembers bleeding heavily and crying. “They told me, ‘Stop, stop. Don’t cry. Don’t tell anybody; this is a secret among women.’ ”

A woman then put black powder on her genitals, which stopped the bleeding.

“In my mind, I still feel the pain. It was very awful,” Sulemanji said in an interview Thursday with the Free Press. “I kept telling my mom — even now — ‘What on earth made you do this?’ “

“It’s our custom,” she recalls her mother telling her.

Sulemanji, who has a bachelor’s degree in economics and sociology, grew up in India and moved to the U.S. at age 29, when she got married. She is a member of the Dawoodi Bohra community in Long Island, N.Y., and has two daughters,  ages 13 and 9. There is no way, she said, that she would ever subject her daughters to the horror that she experienced at 7 — despite community and family pressure to do so.

“I know how it feels,” she said. “It’s a very cruel thing to do to a little girl.”

Growing up in India, she was told that the practice was meant to “curb a woman’s sexual desire” so that a woman wouldn’t have an affair or premarital sex. The Bohras do this, she said, by cutting the hood — or tip — off of the clitoris, which was done to her. Today, she said,  the Bohras are changing their story about why they practice genital cutting, claiming the ritual is for cleanliness and religious reasons.

Sulemanji  associates it only with pain.

“When I grew older, it kept bothering me. I asked my friends, ‘Did your mom do this to you?’ But they never heard of things like that,”  she said, noting she learned that other Muslim sects in India didn’t subject their girls to cutting, which angered her even more.  “It was like my mom and dad cheated on me.”

Two years ago, after learning about an Indian journalist who went public with her own story of genital cutting, Sulemanji decided to break her  silence. In a bold move that stunned her Muslim community, she took to Facebook, along with her husband, and denounced female genital mutilation.

She was unfriended by many.

“It was burning inside.  It had to come out,” she said of her secret. “I want to punish all the parents … I want to get all the cutters.”

Sulemanji has forgiven her mother,  saying she is uneducated and didn’t know any better. Perhaps the most rewarding part of her activism, she said, is, “I convinced my mom that this is wrong. And she agreed.”

Sulemanji said the Bohra community restricts personal freedom and is more about uniformity, with rules about attire and proper beard lengths.

“We have a head priest who tries to control everything,” she said. “This is like a cult. It just feels like we have a tyrant over us, a whole control thing going on.”

But there’s still a lot of work left to be done, she said, noting the Michigan case.

“If this can happen in the U.S.A. — it needs to stop,” Sulemanji said, stressing the cutting leaves permanent scars.

“I remember everything,” she said. “It’s a bad, bad memory. It’s a scar on my life.”

A childhood secret

For nearly seven decades, A. Renee Bergstrom kept a dark, childhood secret to herself.

In 1947, in a small Minnesota town, her mother took her to see a doctor when she was 3 years old. Her mother, she later learned, had expressed concerns to the fundamentalist Christian physician that her daughter was touching her genital area, causing her face to get red.

“When she told the doctor, he said, ‘Oh, I can fix that,’  He removed my clitoris. And she knew immediately it was a mistake and told me to never talk about it,” said Bergstrom, now 72.

For decades, Bergstrom did as her mother said. She told no one. Not her sisters, or her friends. At 15, she went on her own to see a doctor about discomfort she was having in her genital area, When the doctor at the clinic discovered she had been cut, she recalled, he gave her a book on the sin of self-pleasuring. She continued to keep quiet.

Bergstrom eventually got married and had three children. She had a very difficult time in childbirth and has never really known if her sexuality was affected, she said,  noting: “How do you know?”

As an adult, she started researching and writing about what happened to her. She earned a doctorate degree in education and eventually joined other victims like herself in a  movement to help end female genital mutilation worldwide. In December, she officially went public with her story and is featured in the  U.S. State Department video about  American genital mutilation survivors.

Bergstrom explained that her reason for going public had  a lot to do with her concerns that Muslims worldwide are facing growing discrimination. She was worried that genital mutilation would be one more reason for people to show animosity toward Muslims,  and so she shared her story as a non-Muslim.

“I’m a white Christian American, and this happened to me. And the doctor who did it was a fundamentalist Christian,” Bergstrom said. “I remember the pain, and I remember feeling betrayed by the people who should have been caring for me.”

Bergstrom said she has forgiven her mother. She trusted the doctor just like many other women have trusted their religious leaders who tell them genital cutting must be done for religious reasons, she said.  While she believes doctors, religious leaders and parents should be held accountable for subjecting children to genital cutting, she doesn’t believe children should be taken away from their parents, saying it “adds more trauma.”

In the Michigan case, one of the Minnesota girls was temporarily removed from her parents. Bergstrom said she was relieved to learn the girl was given back to he parents. But the cutter, she said, needs to be prosecuted.

“It surprised me that somebody educated here in the United States, and who more than likely knew she was breaking the law, did it anyway,” she said. “How strong is religion overtaking an oath to do no harm? … I don’t believe physicians should be doing that.”

  ‘A demonic practice’ 

She was 11.

Blindfolded, naked and with her hands tied behind her back, F.A. Cole was thrown into a circle of women who watched as a heavy nude woman amputated the girl’s clitoris as part of a ritual practice by many tribes in the west African nation of Sierra Leone.  The cutter had been drinking and sat on top of her during the procedure. The girl put up a fight, so the other women gagged her.

“It’s really a demonic practice,” Cole, now 43, recalls, noting girls are sworn to secrecy.  “They told us, ‘If you talk about it, you’ll die. They brainwash you … It’s a gross violation of our human rights.”

Cole’s younger years were full of more turmoil. She dropped out of high school and got pregnant. Sex was and remains painful. In 1997, she said, God intervened: She won an immigration lottery and moved to the U.S., where she has become a vocal activist in the fight to end genital mutilation worldwide.

In her freshman year in college in New York, she decided to go public with her story. She was attending a workshop on cultural issues when a speaker started talking about genital mutilation and referred to it as a religious practice for Muslims.

Cole, who grew up Catholic in Africa, said she knew better as her procedure was about tradition and a rite of passage, not religion. So she stood up and shared her horror.

“Everybody was silent,” she recalled. “I battled with it. I didn’t want to be judged. I was on a college campus in America for the first time. I didn’t know how they would take it.”

But she found empathy. And she has been sharing her story ever since, stressing that genital mutilation happens everywhere, to people from all walks of life. And whether people say it’s about religion, tradition, a rite of passage, she said, there’s one nagging truth: “It’s all about control.”

Cole now lives in Germantown, Md., with her 22-year-old son and mother. She’s a software trainer and activist. Her goal is to end genital mutilation everywhere.

“My hope is to continue sharing my story, talk about it and to educate women,” she said. “They need education. There’s really nothing good about FGM.”

Using scissors

In 2006, Khalid Adem, 41, became the first person in the U.S. to be convicted of female genital cutting. The Ethiopian citizen was found guilty in a state court in Georgia of aggravated battery and cruelty to children for using scissors to remove the clitoris of his 2-year-old daughter. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The case led to a state law that criminalized genital cutting in Georgia, one of 27 states that prohibits the practice. Michigan is not one of those states.

On March 13, Adem was deported to his home country of Ethiopia after completing his 10-year prison term.

A month after his deportation came the federal prosecution in Michigan, where the Dawoodi Bohra community has landed under fire for genital mutilation practices, which the group refers to as “khatna” or “khafd.”  It’s not a first for the group.

In Australia last year, the Dawoodi Bohra community — which has 1 million members worldwide, including 12,000 in the U.S. — was at the center of a landmark female genital mutilation trial that ended with three convictions. An Australian court  sentenced three people to 15 months in prison for carrying out the procedure on two girls.

Among the convicted were the girls’ mother, a retired nurse and a Dawoodi Bohra spiritual leader who was found guilty of helping the women cover up the mutilation.

The Australian case led to a crackdown in the U.S., where numerous Bohra communities issued resolutions instructing its members not to practice “khatna”  on girls anymore because American law prohibits it.  Communities in Detroit, Miami, Boston and New Jersey,  among others,  issued such resolutions, which warned parents “you are strictly directed not to engage in khafd.”  The groups also have warned members not to take their daughters out of the country for the procedure — known as “vacation cuttings” — citing a 2013 federal law that prohibits that.

On Friday, following the arrest of the doctor and his wife —  the organization that oversees the Dawoodi Bohra community in Detroit issued this statement.

“The Dawoodi Bohras do not support the violation of any U.S. law, local, state or federal.  We offer our assistance to the investigating authorities,” the group, known as Anjuman-e-Najmi Detroit, said in the statement.  “Any violation of U.S. law is counter to instructions to our community members. It does not reflect the everyday lives of the Dawoodi Bohras in America.”

The organization, which has a mosque in Farmington Hills, stressed that it has issued a written statement instructing its members not to practice any procedures that could be construed as genital mutilation under federal law.

“It is an important rule of the Dawoodi Bohras that we respect the laws of the land, wherever we live. This is precisely what we have done for several generations in America,” the group stated. “It is unfortunate if anyone has not abided by the laws of the country … We take our religion seriously but our culture is modern and forward-looking. We are proud that women from our community have high levels of educational attainment and enjoy successful, professional careers.”

No anesthesia 

Despite the calls for change, some people in the Dawoodi Bohra community are still afraid to speak out against genital cutting. One such couple lives in Dallas.

The Texas husband and wife, whose children are grown, are Bohras and say they have long been opposed to genital cutting. They did not subject their daughter to it, despite community pressure to do so, with some members suggesting they go to Chicago to get it done.  But they’re still afraid to express their views in their Bohra community of about 100 families, for fear of retaliation and being ostracized. Because of their fears, the Free Press agreed not to name them.

Both say the religious leaders in Dallas are powerful and wealthy and can make life very difficult for those who don’t follow their rules.  And despite these so-called resolutions telling members not to perform genital cutting, they say members in their community are still doing it. They say there’s a go-to person in their community — a former pediatrician from India — who goes to people’s houses and secretly performs genital cutting.

“We know that (members) are so blind in their beliefs that if the religious leader tells them to do (something), they do,” said the woman, who is adamantly opposed to genital cutting given her own experience. It was done to her as a child nearly five decades ago in India.

“It was very very painful. No painkiller. No anesthesia. They just cut. I still remember the scissors.  I remember it very very well,” said the woman, who requested her identity be withheld. “They said it’s for religion. We have to do it. No other reason, nothing.”

But she has since learned, she said, that the elders were trying to suppress her sexuality. And she has no way of knowing, she said, if she’s missing out on anything sexually, noting: “I don’t have the guts to ask some of my friends” about their sex lives.

As for the pain she endured, she said, “It stays in your mind for the rest of your life.”

A matter of degree?

All three defendants in the Michigan case have denied any wrongdoing.

One defense lawyer  believes the government has overstated its case, claiming no mutilation took place, and has accused the news media of sensationalizing and misrepresenting what really happened.

In court, Bloomfield Hills attorney Shannon Smith has admitted that  her client — Nagarwala — performed a procedure on the genitals of two Minnesota girls. But it wasn’t cutting, she said. Instead, Smith said, Nagarwala removed the membrane from the girls’ genitals using a “scraper,” wrapped it in gauze and gave it the girls’ parents, who would then bury it following a religious custom.

Nagarwala has denied giving the girls shots or that there was bleeding, as alleged by the government. She also has denied participating in any genital mutilation procedures.

“All of the acts that my client performed on children” did not involve female genital mutilation, said Smith, arguing that “the issue of female genital mutilation presents vagueness.”

“We understand that this is a very serious case,” Smith said. But, she said, her client did not do what the government is accusing her of and has cooperated.

“It was completely a religious practice,” Smith said.

The government  has painted a much different portrait of Nagarwala, saying she performed female genital mutilation on several young girls over the years, directed them to keep it quiet and encouraged their parents to lie to authorities when investigators started asking questions.

“The conduct of the defendant spans years,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Sara Woodward said in court, calling Nagarwala’s crimes “heinous”  acts that were part of an  an “incredibly secretive” religious custom.

The government’s investigation has relied on text messages, wiretap conversations, phone records and surveillance videos that authorities believe bolster their case.  A Minnesota doctor also has examined both young victims — who told authorities about their visit to the clinic in separate interviews — and concluded that their genitals have been altered or cut, court records show.

“She knew that this was illegal, but did it anyway,” Woodward said of Nagarwala, stressing: “As a medical doctor, she is aware that female genital mutilation has no medical purpose.”

According to the World Health Organization, female genital mutilation is an internationally recognized violation of human rights of girls and women. However, more than 200 million girls and women alive today have been cut in 30 countries. The practice is most common in certain regions of Africa, the Middle East and Asia, though the U.S. is not immune.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that at least 513,000 girls have been cut or face the risk of being cut in the U.S., a roughly threefold increase from 1990, when 168,000 girls were deemed at risk or already victims of the practice. In 1996, Congress passed a law that made genital mutilation of girls under 18 a crime punishable by up to five years in prison. Seven years later, Congress passed another law that made it illegal to transport girls out of the U.S. for the purpose of cutting.

Since the passage of those laws, prosecutors in Detroit are the first to put them to the test.

The FBI has set up a tip line and is asking  anyone who has information about female genital mutilation or the three Michigan defendants to call 800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324). 

  • Tatonka

    Hang those bastards.!

    • Keith1941

      Then deport them!

  • InfidelCrusader

    I keep hearing various apologists saying that FGM is not a Muslim practice. I have yet to hear one explain why Muslims are the only ones that are known to practice it. I have yet to hear of a single documented case of a non-Muslim practicing FGM.

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    • kiwi

      In Sunni sharia law circumcision is mandatory for both male and female – removal of the clitoris but not the full FGM.

      • Liatris Spicata

        Can you document where that is specified? My understanding is FGM, or clitorectomy, at least, is uncommon in Saudi Arabia, the very keeper of Sunni faith.

        • kiwi

          The “Reliance of the Traveller” – A Classic Manual Of Islamic Sacred Law, page 29. And yes, the spelling of traveler has two lls! Mineis the 1995 edition.

          • Liatris Spicata

            Thank you for a reference. Below is what one reputable source (Ref. 1) has to say on the matter. I will hazard a guess that the obligation varies between the schools of Sunni Islam and that you are correct with respect to the al-Shafi school. However, Reference 2, from the respected Middle East Forum, states:

            While some clerics say circumcision is not obligatory for women, others say it is. “Islam condones the sunna circumcision … What is forbidden in Islam is the pharaonic circumcision,”[40] one religious leader explained. Others, such as the late rector of Al-Azhar University, Sheikh Gad al-Haq, said that since the Prophet did not ban female circumcision, it was permissible and, at the very least, could not be banned.[41]

            From Ref. 1:
            e4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. Bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.)” …

            However what the Arabic actually says is:

            Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris
            (this is called HufaaD). {bold emphasis ours}

            The Arabic word bazr does not mean “prepuce of the clitoris”, it means the clitoris itself (cf. the entry in the Arabic-English Dictionary). The deceptive translation by Nuh Hah Mim Keller, made for Western consumption, obscures the Shafi’i law, given by ‘Umdat al-Salik, that circumcision of girls by excision of the clitoris is mandatory. This particular form of female circumcision is widely practiced in Egypt, where the Shafi’i school of Sunni law is followed.

            Those who are critical of Islamic teachings need to be careful not to overstate the case, which, in this instance, I think you have done.

            Ref. 1: http://answering-islam.org/Sharia/fem_circumcision.html
            Ref. 2: http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-genital-mutilation-an-islamic-problem

          • Dorrie

            It’s clearly NOT a “reputable source”!

      • InfidelCrusader

        I have no doubt. I also notice that the practice is not limited to that particular sect.

      • Cai

        I wish people would not refer to female ‘circumcision’ as the same as male circumcision. In most cases it is NOT. For male circumcision to be the same FMG the head of the male penis would have to be removed.

        • Dorrie

          Absolutely! And removing the clitoris removes all sexual desire and satisfaction. It isn’t circumcision by ANY stretch of the imagination, it’s MUTILATION! God created men & women to ENJOY EACH OTHER, not just males to enjoy the act! That idiocy is what has led to so much male on goat & male on young boys! Those animals KNOW women don’t enjoy sex because they CAN’T! So they stick it to anything they can!

  • Mahou Shoujo

    Every feminist that refuses to actively protest fmg or supports it, should have the procedure done to them in public, on cable tv.

    • tatka150

      On CNN definately

    • MGTOWER

      >Every feminist that refuses to actively protest fmg or supports it

      Some of them do have this procedure done because it can increase satisfaction: https://i.imgbox.com/PZa9qsrR.jpg

      On the other hand, male genital mutilation is harmful both to men and women. Women prefer unmutilated men 8:1.

      https://i.imgbox.com/noh7BLPi.jpg

      • Liatris Spicata

        MG-

        You are deceptive. You may be correct that a hoodectomy (a “nick on the clitoris”) is practiced by many Moslems

        Nevertheless, you also claim “Some of them do have this procedure done because it can increase satisfaction.” I do not believe you. Certainly no woman that I’ve known would want her clitoris removed, which also is a common form of FGM in the Moslem world and appears to be prescribed in Reliance of the Traveller (see my response to kiwi below). Moreover, FGM is normally done when a girl is not of an age to weigh the alleged “benefits” to her sexuality. For you to suggest otherwise is just plain deceptive. Not engaging in a little taqiyya, are you?

        Moreover, you know very well that FGM is motivated by a desire to control female sexuality. Your false portrayal of this abhorrent practice, by addressing only its most minimal form, is despicable and deceptive, but, sadly, that is quite common among Moslems and apologists for Islam.

        • MGTOWER

          >Moreover, you know very well that FGM is motivated by a desire to control female sexuality

          No, MGM is practiced to reduce male sexuality, see the pic I posted above. Female circumcision is done for hygienic reasons since it prevents AIDS and other illnesses.

          https://i.imgbox.com/36FzdEBY.jpg

          • Dorrie

            You’re as crazy as a rabid bat!

          • Liatris Spicata

            I think he is just plain deceptive! Possibly he doesn’t know any better, and accepts uncritically what he has been told to believe. Whatever the case, I find him a rather despicable person- either that or a creepy troll.

          • Dorrie

            I blocked him and think Pamela should remove his comments. I got tired of flagging them.

          • Liatris Spicata

            MG’-

            Female circumcision is done for hygienic reasons since it prevents AIDS and other illnesses.

            That is an absurdly preposterous claim- in fact, it is very often done with total disregard for surgical techniques developed in, oh, the past 1400 years. Female circumcision does not prevent AIDS or other illnesses. Rather, given the hygiene with which it is practiced, it is often associated with infections, even severe bleeding that sometimes causes death.

            Ref 1 below, a somewhat dated scholarly paper states,

            It has been postulated that FGM may also play a significant role in facilitating the transmission of HIV infection through numerous mechanisms.

            Almost paradoxically, male circumcision, which I agree certainly does reduce male sexual pleasure (you guys don’t know what you’re missing!), may be protective against HIV, as it is against cancer of the penis (not a great argument, in my book) (Ref. 2).

            Ref 3, a more recent scholarly contribution, lays out the argument that FGM facilitates HIV transmission. It states:

            Although little evidence exists, it has also been argued that female circumcision has a
            protective effect against transmission. Few studies have shown that FGM is associated with a decreased risk of HIV.
            Yount and Abraham (2007) in their article propose that women who participate in the practice of FGM are more likely to follow the approved set of gender guidelines for the community and are thereby less likely to engage in sex before marriage and extramarital affairs.

            So yes, by reducing or eliminating female desire for sex, you may reduce incidence of AIDS. What a lousy, shitty justification for rendered women sexually inert- you should be ashamed of yourself. but that appears to be an attribute not found among your kind. But hey, I’m sure it does make the little sperm receptacles more easy to control!

            Ref 3 also notes:
            Some late and long-term complications [of FGM] seen are urinary incontinence, cysts, recurrent urinary tract infections, pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility, and obstetrical problems such as delayed or obstructed second stage labor, and trauma. Hemorrhage is also a late complication especially in newly married girls who have been tightly infibulated and are subjected to forcible sex by the husband or who the husband defibulated using various instruments such as scissors, blades or knives (Brady, 1999).

            Tell me, MG, are you a troll, a pathetically misinformed person, or just a plain out-and-out liar? Assuming you are not simply trolling for kicks, I once again find myself wondering why Moslems and apologists for Islam are such deceptive people.

            References
            Ref. 1: http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/brady1/
            Ref. 2: http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/17/why-circumcision-lowers-risk-of-hiv/
            Ref. 3: http://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1113&context=iph_theses

          • Stormwatch

            You’re missing the guy’s point: in places where female circumcision is widespread, they do claim the same fictional health benefits as western doctors do for male circumcision.

          • Liatris Spicata

            I hardly ignored it: I refuted his bogus claim. I wonder if you bestirred yourself to read my comment. What part of the following, from my Ref 3 above, do you not understand?

            Some late and long-term complications [of FGM] seen are urinary incontinence, cysts, recurrent urinary tract infections, pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility, and obstetrical problems such as delayed or obstructed second stage labor, and trauma. Hemorrhage is also a late complication especially in newly married girls who have been tightly infibulated and are subjected to forcible sex by the husband or who the husband defibulated using various instruments such as scissors, blades or knives (Brady, 1999).

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            You and the rest of your muslum monkey pals should go back to your muslum sh!ttystans.

          • JacksonPearson

            I don’t believe your comment for one moment. American doctors do not lose their medical license or do jail time for performing circumcisions. Whereas, two American Muslim doctors were just severely busted here for performing FGM’s, with probable jail sentencing, and loss of license because of malpractice. So medically speaking, the two are NOT the same.

            So no matter what the argument here, accepted medical practice here in the United States will prevail over witch doctors. FGM is NOT acceptable, and circumcision is.

          • Stormwatch

            You seem to be equating “legal” and “morally right”, which is a very foolish thing to do.

          • Steve

            You seem to be equating male circumcision with FGM – again – on the same level of morality. Male circumcision and the extent of the procedure for both short term and long term effects is nothing compared to FGM. Furthermore, medical practice in this country – that is legal – is backed up by a host of medical organizations and extensive research based on morals and values including licensing to protect the public and not just tradition from medieval and barbaric times.

            Here’s a link of decreased risk of HIV with male circumcision –

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2788411/

            Here’s another on the extensive problems involved with FGM –

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1497147/

            No matter what you think and i know we will continue to disagree based on your prior posts, this country has a right to control its health practices for its people using our laws based on our morals and values. We are not here to cater to every other culture that may or may not see things our way. Immigrants to our country are required to obey our laws.

          • Stormwatch

            I am equating them because they are equal, in moral and practical ways.

            Here’s a study showing that circumcision is useless at HIV prevention:

            https://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/result_am?query=102282676&id=102282676&itemnum=1&amhighlight=Yes

            And something about its side effects:

            http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/

          • Steve

            You reasoning is wrong. One study discussing male circumcision as useless for HIV prevention and another showing side effects does from it do not equate male circumcision with FGM. You have to look at the preponderance of the evidence that you are ignoring. You try to make your case finally showing up with some references but forgot about the critical thinking part or else you are making a diversion to try to promote a false point.

            There is abundantly more evidence that FGM is much worse and extensively injurious to women than male circumcision to males. Perhaps male circumcision went wrong with you or some such story for your interest in it so much and trying to equate it with FGM but they are not the same for the overall short term and long term in physical and psychological injury. Furthermore, it is a practice used to traditionally subjugate women. Male circumcision has no such intended outcome by any culture.

            The issue remains that in this country the immigrant culture must obey the host country or they are breaking the law. If a westerner went to saudi arabia and started promoting circumcision to all males they would tell him obey our laws. To each their own but as long as muslamics live here they are subject to American law and in our country FGM is against the law. The FBI is illustrating that point.

          • Jhon Murdock

            What the FBI doesn’t know is that under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14 Amendment the FGM Law of 1997 is unconstitutional, as legal protection against genital cutting is given to females ONLY. FGM=MGM.

          • Steve

            There you go with your odd reasoning first talking about the fourteenth amendment and equality rights and I know you will try to use that line to equate male circumcision with FGM. But first let me say there you also go stating that FGM 1997 is unconstitutional. Its still the law https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116. If you think its unconstitutional that’s you. Start a protest in your community. Until the law changes though the FBI knows that violators can be held accountable. So back to the first thing. The fourteenth amendment is not about equating genital procedures and has nothing to do with equating fgm as the same thing as male circumcision. Its not the same as practiced in general for prevalence of short and long term injury for .https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-14-1076

            There are always exceptions but FGM by far is much worse. http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2008/01/29/fgm-vaginoplasty-and-the-flawed-female/ Furthermore, FGM is used also as a subjugation of women since there are many who would not be picked for marriage if they don’t capitulate. Men are not circumcised in order for them to be married in the traditional way. You try hard to make the two the same apologizing for islam.

          • Jhon Murdock

            Some forms of FGM are more severe than MGM, some forms are equivalent and some forms of FGM are less severe than MGM. But so what? BOTH MGM and FGM in all of their forms are Human Rights Violations to both sexes. Both are evil, and both must be abolished.

            There is no good reasoning in back of FGM or MGM. Infibulation is a horrendous mutilation but it is not so bad that it justifies the continuance of male foreskin amputation. Circumcising the clitoral hood is equivalent to circumcising the male foreskin. Pricking the clitoris with a needle is not so slight a mutilation that it should justify the continuance of FGM.

            The exact same reasons our culture mutilates boys are the very same reasons given other cultures mutilate girls. The exact same. Your biased and sexist defense of male genital mutilation shows your ignorance and is why female genital mutilation will NEVER cease to exist. Either everybody deserves protection from genital mutilation or nobody does.

            To paint an argument that seeks to end all forced genital cutting of all children as apologizing for Islam is to expose your bias in favor of MGM publicly. Shame on you.

            Your obfuscation of the 14 Amendment is despicable.

          • Steve

            I say the same thing to you. Your obfuscation is despicable regarding the 14th. It has nothing to do with medical procedures done to people whether by sex or race. Its about enforcing basic rights for all. Pursuing your line of argument it seems you would say that no one should have male circumcision or female genital mutilation which is fine but again you would be wrong to equate them as the same in scope and practice.

            You’re still on the equating train that male circumcision and female genital mutilation are the same avoiding scope and practice in your thinking simply saying both must be abolished. Unfortunately, the ones victimized the most would not agree with you that the two are the same. Your attempting to equate the two essentially does a disservice to the extensive barbaric practice of FGM versus that of male circumcision thereby equating the West with similar barbarity as muslamics. Your reasoning is clear and your line of argument is as an apologetic for muslamics.

          • Jhon Murdock

            You need to learn how to read. And unfriend all your straw men.
            (yawns…YAWNS…)

          • Steve

            Your so on top of it yet in the end your logic makes perfect sense – to only you. Good luck with your anger.

          • Jhon Murdock

            Zzzzzzzzzzzz…

          • Steve

            Its you.

          • Stormwatch

            You are so clearly biased, describing FGM with an emotionally loaded “extensive barbarity”, yet refusing to even use the male equivalent “MGM”, much less use any negative adjective.

          • Steve

            Your whole argument is diversion attempting to water down FGM. The topic is that the media covers up the atrocity FGM.

          • Stormwatch

            You only get that impression because you cling to the false idea that circumcision is not a monstrous, traumatic, crippling abuse.

          • Steve

            The topic is media covering up FGM. When you address that topic we can talk about it. The media controlling any topic should be a major concern to people.

          • Stormwatch

            And you keep missing my point: these are not different topics. Male and female circumcision are fundamentally the EXACT SAME THING.

          • Steve

            Your point as you say – does not address – the media and it’s covering up muslamic FGM. Try talking about it and why the media does it – if you can. It must frighten an apologetic to face the truth.

          • Stormwatch

            They don’t seem to be talking much about MGM either.

          • Steve

            You should not let the media off the hook. You should want a responsible media. Write your congressman. I still haven’t hear why you think the media would try to hide reporting FGM in muslamics.

          • rogerthatokay

            It is your glaring obsession with equating FGM and male circumcision which makes it clear that your are, in fact, “…apologizing for Islam.”

            The violence Muslims commit every day, worldwide, matches perfectly with the violence of FGM. The same can not be said of Western Culture and male circumcision. Therein lies the evidence that you are a Muslim or a Muslim shill. My money is that you’re a Muslim.
            ============

            http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/pub... National Counterterrorist Center 2008 Report.

            -“Deaths by Perpetrator Category” [page 22]: Muslims 8,284; Christian 932.

            -The top 15 nations where deaths occurred due to terrorism showed one common element: Muslims. [page 24]

            -13 of the top 15 nations experiencing the highest number of terrorist kidnappings had on common element: Muslims. [page 27]

            2011 FBI Annual Report on Terrorism, http://www.nctc.gov/docs/2011_…, page 11: Of 12,533 total deaths in terrorist attacks 77 were attributed to Neo-Nazis, fascists or white supremacists; 8,886 were attributed to Muslim terrorists.

            http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/… The State Department has a list of 56 officially designated terrorist organizations: 43 of them are Muslim, one is Christian, the rest are non-religious in their purpose.

            http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/want… FBI Most Wanted Terrorists: 30 of the 32 most wanted terrorists are Muslims

            wikipedia has a list of 144 terrorist organizations officially designated as terrorist by various Nations. 124 of them are motivated by religion – 75% of those are Muslim.

            http://www.nctc.gov/site/profi… The National Counter Terrorism Center Counterterrorism Calendar 2014: “The US Government, through the State Department’s Rewards for Justice program, is offering substantial rewards for information leading to the arrest of the people [terrorists] listed to the right.”
            [There are over 190 names of these human predators roaming the earth — 95% of them have Muslim names].

            11/19/15 pewresearch.org poll There are 63 to 287 million ISIS supporters in just 11 Muslim countries.

            visionofhumanity.org 2016 Global Terrorism Index Four groups were responsible for 74 per cent of all deaths from terrorism in 2015: ISIL, Boko Haram, the Taliban and al-Qa’ida. ALL Muslim groups.

            4/20/16 usatoday.com WASHINGTON — The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world’s “most active state sponsor of terrorism.

            Since 9/11 Muslim terrorists have killed and maimed innocent people in India, the Sudan, Algeria, New York, Pakistan, Israel, Russia, Chechnya, the Philippines, Indonesia, Nigeria, England, Thailand, Spain, Egypt, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Morocco, Yemen, Arkansas, France, Uzbekistan, Gaza, Tunisia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mauritania, Kenya, Eritrea, Syria, Somalia, California, Kuwait, Utah, Virginia, Ethiopia, Illinois, Georgia, Jordan, United Arab Emirates, Louisiana, Texas, Tanzania, Illinois, Australia, Pennsylvania, Belgium, Denmark, East Timor, Mississippi, Qatar, Maryland, Tajikistan, New Jersey, Ohio, the Netherlands, Afghanistan, Chad, Canada, China, Nepal, the Maldives, Argentina, Mali, Angola, the Ukraine, Uganda, North Carolina, Germany, Arizona, Lebanon, Iran, Kazakhstan, Sweden, Coloradog, Norway, Greece, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Scotland, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Cameroon and Massachusetts. (To confirm each one: Google search, for example, “Terrorist attacks in Boston”)

            Bing search “civil wars in the world.” Muslims are involved in 75% to 90% of them. They fight against all non-Muslim religions and cultures, worldwide. They fight against Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, Copts, atheists, Sikhs, Confucians, Shamans, animists — ALL non-Muslim cultures. They fight in China, Russia, Bosnia, Cyprus, Macedonia, Israel, Pakistan, India, Indonesia-Ambon & Halmarhera, Côte d’Ivoire, Kashmir, Algeria, Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kurdistan, Kirghizia, Nigeria, Philippines, Somalia, Turkey, Chechnya, Sudan, Yemen, Thailand, Uganda, Dagestan, Azerbaijan, Mali, Chad, Syria, Iran, Libya, Bangladesh and East Timor.

          • Duchess of Pork

            And the citations for infibulation which this article also refers to? Please provide form equivalency purposes.

          • Jhon Murdock

            Neither FGM girl circimcision nor MGM boy circumcision are medical practices. No medical diagnosis of pathology is ever given for RIC. If you have to know the sex of the victim to call the mutilation a crime, there is something wrong with your head.

          • Dorrie

            No little girl, the head problem is YOURS! And all the other Mohammedans that have been brainwashed as you have been!

          • JacksonPearson

            In Muslim third world countries, very young girls clit’s are removed with dirty razors, knives, and broken bottles, with no pain killers, or under sterile conditions. IMO, besides being unnecessary, it’s not healthy in any form. This procedure is illegal in the United States, but still being performed by back room Muslim witch doctors, and some licensed Muslim doctors.

          • MGTOWER

            >In Muslim third world countries, very young girls clit’s are removed with dirty razors, knives, and broken bottles, with no pain killers, or under sterile conditions

            Yeah, just like male circumcision, except that male circumcision causes far more harm: http://imgbox.com/VMAvPqCM

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Still trying to make males the victim, you really have a victim complex, to the point that it is debilitating.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            You are setting records for being consistently wrong in every comment.

          • Dorrie

            Mohammedans can’t help themselves, they’ve been brainwashed since birth by pure evil!

      • Dorrie

        You are clearly out of your freaking mind!

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          That’s kind of a prerequisite to being a muslum isn’t it?

      • Mahou Shoujo

        All you short peckerd guys think you actually are accomplishing something, what you are doing is proving amusement until you prematurely discharge, flatulate and roll over. All you ever accomplish is making a wet spot that has to be avoided. But do fluff your ego, if you don’t, no one will do it for ewe. What should be done with you, is having your foreskin grafted to your forehead to allow ewe to have some foresight.

        • Mike Harris

          Flagged. I am shocked that Pamela hasn’t banned you yet.

          “All you short peckerd guys think you actually are accomplishing
          something, what you are doing is proving amusement until you prematurely
          discharge, flatulate and roll over. All you ever accomplish is making a
          wet spot that has to be avoided. But do fluff your ego, if you don’t,
          no one will do it for ewe. What should be done with you, is having your
          foreskin grafted to your forehead”

          • Dorrie

            FLAGGED! Mahou is one of the best posters on Pamela’s comment threads. You, however, won’t last long . . .

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Thanks, Dorrie, mh is another of those motor mouths who will say anything but can’t deliver, literary premature ejaculation, common among snowflakes.

          • Dorrie

            It’s sure pathetic, isn’t it!

          • Mahou Shoujo

            You lack foresight, shorty. You shock very easily, snowflake, not so tough when you can’t riot in the street, but have to respond in writing which is replied to, for everyone to see.

          • Dorrie

            He SHOULD lack foreskin and meatus!

      • Dorrie

        You’re so INCREDIBLY ignorant that it’s BREATH TAKING!!

      • Duchess of Pork

        Please name the western feminists that have undergone a cliterodectomy and cite their written articles supporting this procedure.

    • Hardrock

      Absolutely brilliant idea Mahou.

  • AlgorithmicAnalyst

    Thanks, important article.

  • Steve

    FGM is akin to having the head and lower end of the penis removed plus the scrotum. This stuff is insane 7th century barbarian culture. There is no substantiated health reasons to do it. It can cause a woman to have urinary infections related to practice of closure of the vagina except for a small hole for many who are subjected to it plus it can lead to other types of infections not to mention the horrendous hygienic problem. Muslamics are trying to sanitize it by using Western technology in clinics but it amounts to the same thing – a life long diminishing of sexual pleasure and a traumatic emotionally scarring event. Why on earth anyone would see any justification in this makes no sense at all except to those who are brainwashed to devoutly and submissively follow the cult of muslamics. Check out you tube Ann Barnhart video on this. You can skip to about 29 minutes when she starts to talk about clitorectomies although the entire video is really informative including discussing the rampant homosexuality in the muslamic cult.

    • Stormwatch

      Wrong. There are many forms of FGM. The most common one is the removal of the clitoral hood — and that’s a much smaller damage than the typical male circumcision.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Prove “removal of clitoral hood” is “the most common one” lying muslum monkey.

      • Steve

        I’m right, There are many forms as you say, of FGM but you are the one who is wrong. Here’s my statistics. Let’s see yours. I stick by what i said earlier. I think you are trying to make light of a serious problem trying to compare FGM in general to male circumcision.

        http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/fgm/prevalence/en/

        • Stormwatch

          You are making light of a serious problem by refusing to compare mutilation to mutilation.

          • Steve

            Statistics was what i asked for and I guess you didn’t bother read mine. I’ll give you the opportunity again to compare mine to yours. Making claims but not backing them ups is only proving you are a lightweight. And if you think male circumcision as “mutilation” is comparable to FGM as “mutilation” in your thinking is the same thing then by all means go have the equivalent female “mutilation” done to you – if you are indeed a male and tell us how you like it. Statistics not backing you up are just you making idle claims.

        • Mike Harris

          You link doesn’t disprove anything Stormwatch said.

          • Steve

            The link is meant for education. Critical thinking is needed to see reality. The proof is in your ability to see it. Let’s hear your argument.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Get someone to read it to you, looking at the words is not good enough.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Any damage is too much, as is seen by the results of your partial lobotomy.

    • Dorrie

      Well stated, Steve!

    • Mahou Shoujo

      Nicely said.

  • Janet

    I guess the media cares more about tarnishing the reputation of Muslims that commit these heinous procedures more than the health and wellbeing of these women and young girls. That makes me furious!

    • Hardrock

      When it comes to Muslims, we don’t seem to care what they do to women, FGM, or Rape, it’s okay to violate women’s rights as long as you’re a Muslim. Their rights under religious practice or freedoms has long exceeded our level of tolerance or acceptance, everything they do is a violation of laws, legislated rights and moral codes. This all needs to be stopped with serious action taken against perpetrators.

      • Janet

        Totally agree! They need to throw the book at this butcher! A barbaric act like that would have long physical and mental issues that they probably never get over. How many women and young girls has she done this too? I’d be willing to bet loads. Life in prison works for me!

  • MGTOWER

    Daily reminder: Female circumcision and its “cover-up” is minuscule compared to male circumcision.

    https://i.imgbox.com/QDHof994.jpg

    • Ichabod Crain

      To state FGM and its “cover-up” is minuscule compared to male circumcision is an outright lie. There is no equivalence whatsoever, but you find people posting such nonsense in forums over and over again, in an attempt to divert focus away from the misogyny of FGM. They try to make the story about male circumcision, then predictably people jump into the debate, then the horror of FGM is drowned out, and the horror of Islam that supports it is also lost in the noise.

      This story is not about male circumcision, a debatable practice that causes no impairment to male sexuality. This story is about the most brutal and hateful thing that can be done to a woman, that is, to take away her fundamental essence as a human being. We are born with our sexuality, and it stays with us all our lives until we die. Whoever would rob a woman of the most fundamental physical pleasure we have as human beings deserves the the worst punishment in Hell that Dante could possibly imagine.

      The post above does not belong here along with this story. It is comparing apples with bicycles. It should be posted elsewhere, in a separate forum. Here we focus on the evils of Islam and the evil things that culture supports. There are very few places on the internet that talk about the things discussed here, while youn can find a forum for your off topic discussion just about anywhere. Take it elsewhere.

      • MGTOWER

        >male circumcision, a debatable practice that causes no impairment to male sexuality.

        Stop spreading lies, mutilation condoner.

        https://i.imgbox.com/JYMXVxdS.jpg

        >This story is about the most brutal and hateful thing that can be done to a woman

        Stop whining about how bad Muslims have it, Muslim whiner.

        >Here we focus on the evils of Islam

        Good, then let’s start with Islam’s biggest issue, the oppression of men and the mutilation of boys.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          Dear Ahmed Al Taqiyya,
          Have you noticed a clitoris isn’t a penis? Or do you spend too much w/bacha bazi boys?

          • Mike Harris

            Flagged.

          • Dorrie

            Flagged!

          • Mahou Shoujo

            That was a stinging retort if ever there was one. You really do need some help with your lack of… foresight.

        • Dorrie

          The biggest issue with Islam is all the Mohammedans! THEY are the problem! They are the most evil people on the planet – and if you are a Mohammedan, which I believe you are, you’re evil and HELL-bound!

          • Mike Harris

            The biggest problem with sand religions is they are sand religions.

          • Dorrie

            And lunatics like you defend them!

          • MaR2307

            Proof?

      • him – 1 of 2

        You are ABSOLUTELY correct in all of your assertions: especially that FGM is a most brutal and hateful act against women!!! Conceived, perpetrated and surrounded with lies!

        My heart goes out to all the victims of this abhorrent practice.

        • Mike Harris

          And male circumcision is a hateful act against boys.

          • Dorrie

            Tell that to Almighty God, who created it to be a blood covenant between Himself and man. It helps men maintain hygiene, protects women from uterine cancer, etc. ANYONE who thinks male circumcision is a PAGAN!

            You are as ignorant as the Mohammedans are!

          • Jhon Murdock

            The covenant was irreparably broken when the Jews wandered in the desert and circumcised no one. No re-opener clause. Kaput.
            Got some proof of your other assertions?

          • Dorrie

            Sorry, no. God’s covenants are EVERLASTING. He said so and that settles it.

          • Jhon Murdock

            In every covenant there are at least two parties and the Jews in this one did not hold up their end. So the party’s over. Now there is no covenant nor hope of repair. It doesn’t matter whether Jews get circumcised or not. The sins of the fathers are visited unto the sons.
            Look at the history of the Jewish people and their near extinction under National Socialism as well as their experience living in an incomplete promised land surrounded by neighbors who hate them. And they are forced to take handouts from the US. God may have chosen the Jews prior to the breaking of the covenant but since then it is rather like He singled them out.

          • rogerthatokay

            “…they are forced to take handouts from the US”?

            What an ignorant remark.

            The last nuclear aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, cost over 13 billion dollars. We give Israel 3.5 billion in aid per year.

            What America gets in return is the USS Israel, a gigantic aircraft carrier, which sails in a sea of 360 million bloodthirsty America-hating religious zealots, gathering intelligence about oil rich nations which finance global Islamic terrorism, a “canary in the coal mine,” ready and able to obliterate, within minutes, not tens of minutes, any Iranian or Pakistani nuclear attack against us or our allies.

            She is the best, least expensive weapon system America has and she knows that without America she is doomed. She’ll always have our back against the Muslim monsters:

            -3/15/12 http://www.arabianbusiness.com The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has said it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region,” following Kuwait’s moves to ban their construction.

            -2/17/13 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new… Christianity is beginning “to disappear” in its own birthplace after 2,000 years because of a wave of “organised persecution” across the Middle East, the Prince of Wales has warned.

          • rogerthatokay

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      • Mahou Shoujo

        Nicely said.

      • Jhon Murdock

        FGM=MGM. All cultures that cut females also cut males. This is not a pain contest. Both practices must be eliminated.

        • Dorrie

          My, my, my aren’t YOU an ignorant little lady! You most assuredly aren’t male! *SMH*

    • NoRePaCo

      Deport Deport. Hang those who mutilate boys.

      • Badger

        There is a world of difference between male and female circumcision. Male circumcision can be legitimately argued for. Not so for the female.

        • Stormwatch

          Why? The only essential difference is whether the victim is male or female.

          • balafama

            yeah,which basically makes them very very very different . no transgenital mutilation thingy going on.

          • Stormwatch

            By your logic, punching a guy’s face and punching a girl’s face are different crimes. Nope, that’s total nonsense. What happened to “equal before the law”?

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            It’s strange that the concept of punching someone in the face is the first thing that comes to your troglodyte mind when defending FGM.

          • Stormwatch

            It is weird that you read “cutting boys is also bad” as “cutting girls is not bad”. You must have a mental problem. Poor you.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Says the guy who can’t defend his implications.

          • Liatris Spicata

            Nope, ‘watch. Circumcised guys still “get up” for it just fine. Removing a female’s clitoris pretty much renders her sexually inert. Makes her easier for her husband or father to control, but does a great disservice to her.

          • Stormwatch

            Doubly incorrect. The majority of mutilated women is still capable of a fully satisfactory sex life, orgasms and all; and the majority of those mutilations does not involve clitoridectomy.

          • Liatris Spicata

            Might depend on what you mean by “mutilated”. But a clitoridectomy- no way that doesn’t have a major effect on female sexuality (I’ve spoken personally in some detail about this with a few women). Well I suppose their sex lives are fully satisfactory from their husbands’ point of view and, of course, the women so affected have no standard of comparison.

            I don’t know where you get your figure that “the majority of those mutilations does not involve clitoridectomy”. Getting that kind of information involves rather sensitive matters. Suffice it is to say that clitoridectomies are quite common in much of the Moslem world- and rare elsewhere.

            I think you are trying to obfuscate.

          • Steve

            That guy with the jethro tull avatar is trying the “rationalize FGM to circumcision” apologetic argument. He is muslamic or ill informed.

            The thing is he makes claims about the topic that he can’t find the statistics to back him up so he uses his “equivalency” argument with me as with you. In other words went out on a limb to say to me in a post that both male and female received “mutilation” – without looking at the degree of injury. He does it again with a post to you trying to make it seem that both male and female receive the same injury using the analogy (quite a stretch) both are “punched”. I know you see the difference in the two procedures but that guy is really apologizing hard.

            I asked him for stats and got none when I posted stats from the world health organization about FGM. I also asked him that if he thought (in so many words) that male circumcision and FGM were the same thing to go have it done and report back to us. He’s a lot of desert wind.

          • MaR2307
          • Steve
          • MaR2307

            Oh no I’m not denying that that is the major issue here but I what I’m saying is a distinction needs to be made. Cutting off the clitoris = bad, cutting off the prepuce = the new in thing.

            “The study Aesthetic Labia Minora and Clitoral Hood Reduction using Extended Central Wedge Resection (2008) reported that of a 407-woman cohort, 98 per cent were satisfied with the labial reduction outcomes; that the average patient satisfaction score was 9.2 points on a 10-point scale; that 95 per cent of the women experienced reduced pudendal discomfort; that 93 per cent of the women experienced improved self esteem; that 71 per cent experienced improved sexual functioning; that 0.6 per cent (one woman) reported lessened sexual functioning; and that 4.4 per cent of the women experienced medical complications.”

          • Steve

            I’ve presented my side. You can believe as you like. The bottom line is that you came in sideways off topic trying to equate your topic with FGM and you haven’t convinced me that its the same nor most of the posters here. In my opinion you would like to do so to equate the barbarity of islam as somehow not too bad and that the West is somehow as bad as them for its allowance of male circumcision. As I said believe as you like.

          • MaR2307

            I never said anything about Male Circumcision. Did you even read the post? It’s about female circumcision. I seek the truth and do not settle with what is spoon fed to me. Can you show me where in islam it says to cut off the clit? Like I said. there’s a difference. Are you really saying cutting the foreskin around the clit and cutting it off is the same? That’s what it seems like you’re saying, as I’m saying it’s different and you’re disagreeing with me.

            Also, the article talks about the west cutting off the foreskin on the vagina as a beauty act! So again, show me where It says that in islam and clarify for me if you think cutting the foreskin versus cutting off the clit is the same.

            As well, I’m not looking to convince you or any posters here. Convincing you doesn’t change the fact that women are being mutilated. I’m here to present facts. Take it as you please.

          • Steve

            You can’t stay on topic. I think you might do better watching a documentary on it or getting better informed. I’ve already said more than enough about what i think about it. I think you’re just trying to waste my time.

          • MaR2307

            Sure.

          • MaR2307

            Let me say it again then.

            Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood_reduction

            Some info in the link: “The study Aesthetic Labia Minora and Clitoral Hood Reduction using Extended Central Wedge Resection (2008) reported that of a 407-woman cohort, 98 per cent were satisfied with the labial reduction outcomes; that the average patient satisfaction score was 9.2 points on a 10-point scale; that 95 per cent of the women experienced reduced pudendal discomfort; that 93 per cent of the women experienced improved self esteem; that 71 per cent experienced improved sexual functioning; that 0.6 per cent (one woman) reported lessened sexual functioning; and that 4.4 per cent of the women experienced medical complications.”

            Did the link mention Male circumcision? No. I shows what female circumcision should be. Reduction of the clitoral hood and not the removal of the clitoris which is what FGM is. There’s a difference. Also, I’m still waiting for the proof and evidence that you say FGM (Removal of the Clit) is Islamic.

            Thanks.

          • Steve

            Good luck with your diversionary comparisons. The topic is about the media covering up FGM. All you’re trying to do is equivocate to water down muslamics breaking the law in our country and abusing women physically and psychologically.

          • MaR2307

            So you’re saying that if the title didn’t say American cover (other geller articles regarding FGM) then you would see the difference between Mutilation and “beauty” acts in America?

            Ah, I see.

            Wait, do you believe Muslims break the laws on your country? So…it’s not the bankers, private investors, etc? Why did America have the recession again? Why is there poverty worse than 3rd world countries (Detroit). Debt and modern day slavery. It’s because of Muslims? Hmm…

            Domestic abuse is more common between couples that claim to be Christian. Black and Hispanic and I guess non Christian and non Muslim Natives. “Your women” are worst off in American hands versus anywhere else. Is Rape in the military patriotism? Must be, since you claim to be able to defend them by saying another people don’t.

            Anyways, geller is saying FGM is Islamic and you seem to agree. I asked for proof. You have not provided any. I see a worldwide issue and one already in your country (IF you see clitoral reduction as FGM as well).

            And if you really want to get on topic. You say the media is covering FGM up. If it has anything to with Muslims the media is the first the show it. So all of a sudden there’s a conspiracy for hiding FGM? Gasps!

          • Steve

            No, You don’t see. You want to deviate from the topic to detract from its message.

          • MaR2307

            Well that’s sure a cop out. How am I detracting? You refuse to recognize the difference and that America is embracing it and yet you call is Islamic. Buddy, where is your proof that it cutting off the Clit islamic? I’ve asked for proof multiple times. Do you not have any and are just riding an emotional roller coaster? Why do you call Cutting off the clit and cutting off the foresking the same thing?

            I look forward to your response.

          • Steve

            The topic is how the media covers up reporting FGM. All the other stuff you bring up is a defense for it playing it down as becoming more acceptable and trying to take the burden off muslamics involved. I’m not interested in talking about about this. Its not a cop out but where you would like the conversation to go. Let’s discuss why the media wants to cover up FGM.

          • MaR2307

            Ok so we can discuss why media is covering it up. However, You haven’t told me where it’s accepted in Islam. You’re also still saying foreskin and the clitoris is the same (do I really need to show you evidence for the difference)?

          • Steve

            Your first sentence agrees to discuss why the media is covering it up. However you immediately then go back to a bargaining tactic that is not of any interest to me at this point. And that is I don’t want to discuss these differences that you keep trying to talk about with genital mutilation. The site has already discussed enough detail about it in any event having strayed from the topic often with posts like yours.

            How about back to the media – for example its 85 – 90% leftist democratic influenced and is not acting like journalists but more like politically motivated pundits. Just this week another proven Washington Post fake news story tried to drum up some made-up collusion of trump talking to a russian representative.

            The same thing continues to happen with almost every topic the leftist media touches – for example female genital mutilation – and they go soft on muslim involvement. You can look at the World Health Organization with a search and find out just how much muslims are involved. You can search out sources like Ayaan Hirsi Ali who actually had this done to her and she is an ex Muslim who talks about it but yet the media ignores her commentary because she does not fit their agenda. The topic is – again going back to the media – their complicity that is protective of muslims. Our government is being infiltrated by a strategy called jihad civilization and the media indirectly promotes it every time they try to cover up the reality of all the muslim intentions including their culture of sharia that promotes female genital mutilation.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            LOL. What a maroon! Maybe you should try dating females instead of bacha bazi boys.

        • Mike Harris

          Yes there is a difference between male and female circumcision. Male circumcision is worse. And this has been more than proven by MGTOWER. Anyone claiming something else is only repeating propaganda.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            And your are an expert in… what?

        • Jhon Murdock

          if you have to know the sex of the child being mutilated to call it a Human Rights violation, then there is something wrong with you.

          • Dorrie

            You’re just too stupid to even be able to think & breathe at the same time! No WONDER you can’t think! You should seriously consider giving up breathing!

    • Dorrie

      Male circumcision doesn’t keep grown men from enjoying sex, but it does keep disease from happening. It’s also a sign of a covenant with God. So your witch hunt is not only ridiculous, it’s downright ludicrous.

      • MGTOWER

        >Male circumcision does keep disease from happening.

        Strawman.

        https://i.imgbox.com/p52Oa8Js.jpg

        • Dorrie

          Little lady, YOU are the strawman! Go schlep yourself to a moslem comment thread, you’re getting flagged for every one of your posts here. America was founded on Biblical principles, not Mohammedan!

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          • Jhon Murdock

            The Bible is against circumcision. Jesus never circumcised anyone.

          • Dorrie

            Ummm sorry, read it again. Circumcision is done on the 8th day after a baby boy is born – because God knew that was the day that the body would heal the fastest. It is a commandment, not a suggestion. And it is a covenant between God and man. Sorry you don’t know the Lord or His Word. And yes, Yeshua/Jesus was circumcised :)

          • Jhon Murdock

            Obviously you have never read the Bible or you would know the true Word of God:
            “Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you be circumcised, Christ will be of no advantage to you.” – Gal 5:2

            “And even those who advocate circumcision don’t really keep the whole law. They only want you to be circumcised so they can brag about it and claim you as their disciples.” – Gal 6:13

            “For there are many who rebel against right teaching; they engage in useless talk and deceive people. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation. They must be silenced. By their wrong teaching, they have already turned whole families away from the truth. Such teachers only want your money” – Titus 1:10-11

            “Watch out for those wicked men – dangerous dogs, I call them – who say you must be circumcised. Beware of the evil doers. Beware of the mutilation. For it isn’t the cutting of our bodies that makes us children of God; it is worshiping him with our spirits.” – Phil 3:2-3

            “And I testify again to every male who receives circumcision, that he is in debt to keep the whole Law. You who do so have been severed from Christ…you have fallen from grace.” – Gal 5:3

            “As God has called each man, in this manner let him walk. And thus I command in all the churches. Was any man called in the circumcision [Old Covenant]? Let him not try to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in the uncircumcision [New Covenant in Christ]? Let him not be circumcised! Circumcision is nothing. And uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God. Let each man remain in that condition in which he was called.” – 1 Cor. 7:17

            “And some men came and were teaching the brethren, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.’ But Paul and Barnabas together had great dissension and disputing with these men. . . Then Peter stood up and said to them ‘…Why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?” – Acts 15:1-2, 7, 10

            “But if I still proclaim circumcision. . . then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished.” – Gal 5:11

            “I wish that those who are pushing you to do so would mutilate themselves!” – Gal 5:12

          • Dorrie

            Jhon, little lady, READ IT IN IT’S ORIGINAL LANGUAGE! You not only misunderstand it, but you have no SPIRITUAL understanding of Almighty God!

            May He have mercy on your eternal spirit! And with that genuine prayer, I’m blocking your miserable A$$. You have NO comprehension of the Bible or of God’s meaning in it!

          • Jhon Murdock

            Donkey Dorrie, go ahead and present in the original language the passages of the Word of God that I have posted. The suspense is killing us.

        • ac05jn

          circumcision doesn’t prevent disease, it causes it.
          starting with mental disease caused by sexual torture of circumcision without anesthesia: 76% of all known serial killers in the 20th century were from the United States, 85% since 1980.

          “””VMMC is often portrayed as a simple surgical solution to the African HIV/AIDS epidemic. Africans have found that this is not the reality. Many cite ethical and human rights issues within the campaign. Others observe that newly circumcised men and their partners appear to be infected with HIV at a *HIGHER* rate than those who were left alone.

          Western public health agencies are endorsing VMMC to curb the spread of HIV by 50–60%. To that end, they are actively misinforming Africans that circumcision is protective against HIV (the “surgical condom” myth). This false security is a leading contributor to the HIV epidemic today. In Malawi, the national HIV rate is reported to have *DOUBLED* from 10% to 20% in the first year VMMC was implemented. In Uganda where we conducted our investigation, Ministry of Health statistics show higher HIV rates now than before VMMC implementation.

          African HIV rates had been on a downward trend that was reversed when VMMC was implemented. For the first time since the war on AIDS began, HIV is back on the rise. “”” – The VMMC Experience Project (Voices from the African circumcision campaign)

          re: dirty hands…
          “DIRT” IS A METAPHOR FOR “SIN”.
          “masturbation is dirty” + “circumcision cures masturbation” = “circumcision is cleaner”. “MORAL HYGIENE”.

      • Stormwatch

        False and false. Circumcision hugely reduces man’s pleasure, and prevents no disease.

        • Liatris Spicata

          Yes, it does protect against some diseases. See my discussion below with mgtower for a reference to the mechanism by which it appears to protect against HIV infection. Circumsicion has long been know to protect against cancer of the penis. Perhaps you could do a little research before you post false statements?

          But hey, I wholeheartedly agree about the pleasure part! Poor guys don’t know what they’re missing. And, I’ve been told by, well let’s just say authoritative sources, that we intact guys show a little more …. enthusiasm, and that it’s even contagious (the enthusiasm, that is, lol).

          • Stormwatch

            Real life numbers contradict the claim that circumcision protects against HIV.

          • Liatris Spicata

            Can you site an authoritative source, as I did below?

          • Stormwatch
          • Liatris Spicata

            Your own source says this:

            by Rebecca Jenkins
            CIRCUMCISION offers the same level of protection against HIV infection in heterosexual men as a highly effective vaccine, according to a landmark study. In the first randomised controlled trial of its kind, researchers found circumcision provided 60% protection against the virus, confirming the results of a large body of observational studies.

            Your link suggests the science is a bit unclear, but 60% is certainly protective.

            Nowhere do I see people like you address the pain of women whose lives are rendered less human. I can only speculate on your motives, but a search for truth and empathy for suffering seems to be a low priority with you. Say, are you by any chance Moslem?- I think you’d make a good one.

          • Stormwatch

            Except the very next paragraph, which you conveniently ignored, explains that a good vaccine must provide at least 95% protection. Therefore, even if the claimed protection was true (and that’s doubtful), circumcision would still be garbage to prevent HIV.

          • Jhon Murdock

            The real statistic of this study was a laughable 1.31% absolute advantage over HIV incidence, not 60%. It never should have been published.

          • Mike Harris

            There are a lot of scientific sources that debunk the political claim that male circumcision protects against AIDS. MGTOWER posted some.

          • Dorrie

            Yep and MGTOWER is a LUNATIC, just as YOU are!

          • Mahou Shoujo

            How interesting, he can reference the obvious. How remarkably subaverage.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Islum, it’s allah about d!ck.

        • Dorrie

          You’re a fool and you’re now blocked! I don’t understand why Pamela hasn’t blocked you from this comment thread!

          • Mike Harris

            Because MGTOWER is the one who posts studies, science and images that prove that male circumcision is worse. As opposed to all of the others who only insult, just like you.

          • Dorrie

            Ahhh so you’re a Mohammedan as well! LOL!! Pathetic!

            ANYONE who thinks male circumcision is a bad thing, or that it’s worse than female genital mutilation, is MENTALLY ILL! P E R I O D!

          • Stormwatch

            What a curiously knee-jerk reaction! Let me guess… you have blood on your hands, don’t you?

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Giggle, “studies” right, you really are a sucker. What do ewe know about male circumcision? Do you have a penis?

          • Dorrie

            BWHAHAHAHAHA!! No doubt little mikey doesn’t LIKE it ;-)

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          Nazi? Or muslum? Or does it make it a difference?

          • Mike Harris

            How can he be Muslim if he argues against male circumcision? Are you completely retarded?

          • Mahou Shoujo

            How can you not be an idiot when you deliberately present fool’s arguments?

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Because allahtard, just like him, you are bringing up red herrings because this article is allah about FGM and despite how stupid you are, most people know there is a difference between male and female genitalia.

        • Mahou Shoujo

          So you have had sex, with a female, both before and after circumcision? Do show us your notes.

    • balafama

      absolute rubbish ,
      1. how do u come up with such junk scientific conclusions that the brain never goes back to normal ,after just one month of follow up .
      2. you use one child and interpret that result to mean same thing happens to millions of other male kids, no self respecting scientist will even come up with such hogwash.
      3. where are the comparisons with non circumcised males ?
      4. how is the test standardized for race ,age ,socioeconomic status,weight,height, health status,post op care etc ? which would be a legit question if they had high nos of participants .
      obviously a fake article with a clueless writer.

      • Liatris Spicata

        I doubt the writer is clueless. He merely intends to deceive.

    • Mahou Shoujo

      Of course, twist it around to be all about men all the time. You really do have a problem… tell us why you love your mother…

    • Duchess of Pork

      The article also discusses infibulation, an additional offering in Muslim communities. Please inform us of the male equivalent and whether this is worse than the female form of this particular torture.

  • roccolore

    The left is too busy crying about a “war on women” while defending campus rape hoaxes.

  • Badger

    Here in the UK, FGM has been a crime for 35 years. There has only been one prosecution and it was tossed out of court.

  • Steve

    The story is about FGM. Male circumcision is debatable but there are some apparently trying to change the subject here. While male circumcision is important as a topic it’s another forum.

    • RayG1

      Making love, where both man and woman reach a climax together, is a beautiful thing. Whether or not a man is circumcised doesn’t change that. When a woman has her clitoris removed, she has no sexual feelings at all when having sex with a man. She is incapable of an equal participation while making love. The man still reaches his climax while the woman is merely providing the necessary plumbing for him. This is an absolutely horrifying and despicable situation for the woman. Clitorectomies are a barbaric practice. Before Islam was established 1500 years ago, female genital mutilation was common in sub Saharan Africa. The African tribes of those days were still very much isolated and primitive. When the Muslim conquests expanded south into Africa they discovered this practice and adopted it as their own. It seems that they are attracted to anything barbaric and gruesome. There is no mention of this in the Quran. It is NOT an ancient requirement of Islam. This is all about keeping women subservient and dull. It’s all about control. Muslims TAKE what they want from women. Christians SHARE love and affection with their women. Why does this idea repel Liberals?

      • balafama

        you are wrong about certain things .
        1. fgm is written about in the sunna and hadeeths(” islamic holy texts”). fgm is still controversial with some islamic clerics saying it is mandatory or permissible and some saying it is not necessary, but the underlying islamic clerical consensus is that it is not strictly forbidden or haram .
        2. certain pre islamic cultures practiced it b4 islam was embraced ,therefore in some islamic communities it is both a cultural and religious motivation, for some its strictly religious .
        3. the islamic concept of female modesty manifested in hijabs,burkas,male guardianship etc lends credence to the cultural practice since it is believed to also promote female chastity.

      • Stormwatch

        You are wrong. The immense majority of genitally mutilated females is STILL capable of sexual pleasure, orgasms and all. And since you’ve mentioned Christianity, I shall remind you that the Apostle Paul said those who advocate circumcision are sexual perverts, mutilators, and scammers who must be silenced.

        • Dorrie

          You’re NUTS! Ask a lady who is going around the country talking about this and has been mutilated herself! You have NO frikken idea what you’re talking about!

          • Stormwatch

            “The group of 137 women, affected by different types of FGM/C, reported
            orgasm in almost 86%, always 69.23%; 58 mutilated young women reported
            orgasm in 91.43%, always 8.57%”

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            The authors of your medical propaganda piece are muslums, how surprising… They have another tract on how camel urine is effective in cancer treatment — also written by a f’ing muslum.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Are you a non muslim woman?

          • Liatris Spicata

            Whaddya mean he has no idea about which he speaks? Undoubtedly he has read up on the subject from authoritaive Islamic sources!

          • Dorrie

            Exactly. I rest my case.

        • Mahou Shoujo

          This is an issue pertaining to islam, do try and focus.

  • Stephen Honig

    I’m all for MBM (Male Balls Mutilation).

    • Dorrie

      All moslem males should be castrated at birth. Adult moslems should be castrated if they break a single American law.

  • Stormwatch

    Anyone who condemns female genital cutting, but remains silent about male genital cutting, is a hypocrite.

    • Dorrie

      That is absolute BOLLOCKS!!

      • Stormwatch

        You are a hypocrite, then.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      Any muslum who doesn’t see any difference between a clitoris and a penis has been spending too much time w/bacha bazi boys.

    • Duchess of Pork

      I’m waiting for you to condemn female genital mutilation in all its 4 manifestations. Without any reference whatsoever to male genital cutting. Can you do that?

      • Stormwatch

        Why should I, when everybody already does it? I’m here just to point the misandrist double standard of people who think boys don’t deserve protection from the very same kind of abuse.

        • Duchess of Pork

          Nevertheless your failure to do so marks you as the hypocrite that you so readily accuse others of being.

          • Stormwatch

            You are speaking nonsense, thus I shall deem you a troll.

          • Stormwatch

            And I have yet to see you express any sympathy for mutilated boys. But that’s your thing, isn’t it? Boys, bah, who cares? Let them suffer. Let them be mutilated. They don’t matter. Human rights are for girls!

            It is clear to me that you are a misandrist. A man-hater.

          • Duchess of Pork

            Quite the wily evasive ad hominem attacker aren’t you. But no answer to my question. Coward. Goodbye

  • Mike Wolff

    If countries like France can bring more than 100 successful high profile prosecutions for FGM, what is stopping countries like the US and Britain from doing the same? It’s shocking that this is the first prosecution to be brought in the US, but even more scandalous is the state of affairs in Britain: despite being illegal for more than 30 years, there has been NOT ONE SINGLE PROSECUTION. It is generally accepted that the reason for this is that the establishment and the media are afraid of offending the two cultures involved by targeting the FGM abusers: Muslim and black African. Political correctness and fear of being accused of racism and Islamophobia override any concern for the victims.

  • Steve

    More information about male and female differences – article is well referenced.

    http://thecircumcisiondecision.com/male-vs-female-circumcision/

  • Jhon Murdock

    Female genital mutilation was outlawed in the US in 1997, but the practice has continued by doctors under the guise of saving girls who have a large clitoris from “grave psychological consequences” during adolescence. There are no scientific studies to demonstrate this unfounded assertion. By a “consensus” of doctors who routinely effect this unconsented, non medical and illegal surgical amputation, they are perpetrating this mutilation of minor girls unimpeded and to date have faced no consequences whatsoever..
    A “large” clitoris on a young sexually inactive girl is no more of a health problem requiring surgery than is a large penis on a boy. This appears to be a clear cut case of unprosecuted FGM a very serious felony. And no, these quacks aren’t Muslims.
    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/06/16/female-genital-mutilation-at-cornell-university

    • Dorrie

      Not only has it continued unhindered, more than 1/2 million young girls in the U.S. have been mutilated. Where is the feminist outrage?! Why aren’t they marching against such barbaric practices?! Why isn’t government upholding the laws against it?!

  • MaR2307

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoral_hood_reduction
    This is correct. Cutting off the clitoris isn’t.

  • Rebecca Eatmon

    Cut off US aid to any country that does not outlaw FGM and actively enforce the law. I call BS on these NGOs that continue to provide aid to these butchers. Now is the time and we have the right leadership to do this. I am embarrassed that Michigan, home to legions of muslims, cannot outlaw this practice. Hammoud in the state legislature will probably state it is racist or islamaphobic to outlaw the barbaric practice. The detroit freepress is a liberal rag.

  • Capt. Rosslyn V. Crasto

    FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION {F.G.M.}
    ===============================

    There is clearly a connection between the ANCIENT RITES OF PAGAN EGYPT AND THE ALLAH(T) OF ISLAM, with regard to FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION {F.G.M.}. Here is the connection:

    LILITH the Arch-Demoness Succubus AL BURAQ of ISLAM, is ALLAH(T), Allah with a silent ‘t’, Lilith = Al Lilat = AL LAT in the so-called SATANIC VERSES of the Most Unholy Qur’an, Al Lat = Allah(t), Allah with a silent ‘t’.

    And Lilith is the Ancient Babylonian Goddess ERESHKIGAL {Alla(h)-tu in Akkadian as per Ancient Encyclopedia}, along with her TWO SISTERS: ISHTAR {Al Uzza in the said Satanic Verses} and INANNA {Manat in the said Satanic Verses}.

    After the decline of the Akkadian and Babylonian Empires, these deities and their roles were successively transferred to the EGYPTIAN, Greek and Roman Empires before the Birth of Our Beloved and Blessed Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST, only to be revived all over again in PAGAN ISLAM in around the 600 C.E. by Maha-Mad The M.F., who PRAISED F.G.M. in his Hadiths {sayings of Maha-MAD} !!!

    Today, this FILTHY PAGAN PRACTICE has spread from MUSLIM Africa and the FILTHY ISLAMIC Middle East to nearly all over the world with the spread of Islam, and is now a GREAT DANGER even to non-Muslim females being forced by the Muslim swine to undergo this cruel, sadistic, inhuman, barbaric and MOST UNHEALTHY MALpractice !!!

    The concept stemmed from LILITH when she was PROHIBITED by God Almighty: YAHWEH FROM CONCEIVING FURTHER LILITU {Night Demons} to prevent recurrence of these NEPHILIM from antediluvian times.

    From Wikipedia using “FGM” as the Search Engine:

    Quote:

    History of Female Genital Mutilation
    Antiquity: EGYPTIAN

    The practice’s origins are unknown, but its east-west, north-south distribution in Africa meets in Sudan. Gerry Mackie has suggested that infibulation began there with the Meroite civilization (c. 800 BCE – c. 350 CE), before the rise of Islam, to increase confidence in paternity. According to historian Mary Knight, Spell 1117 (c. 1991–1786 BCE) of the Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts may refer in hieroglyphs to an uncircumcised girl (‘m’t):
    a m a
    X1 D53 B1

    Spell 1117:

    “But if a man wants to know how to live, he should recite it [a magical spell] every day, after his flesh has been rubbed with the b3d [unknown substance] of an uncircumcised girl [‘m’t] and the flakes of skin [šnft] of an uncircumcised bald man.”
    — Inscription on Egyptian sarcophagus, c. 1991–1786 BCE.

    The spell was found on the sarcophagus of Sit-hedjhotep, now in the Egyptian Museum, and dates to Egypt’s Middle Kingdom.[s] (Paul F. O’Rourke argues that ‘m’t probably refers instead to a menstruating woman.) The proposed circumcision of an Egyptian girl, Tathemis, is also mentioned on a Greek papyrus, from 163 BCE, in the British Museum:

    “Sometime after this, Nephoris [Tathemis’s mother] defrauded me, being anxious that it was time for Tathemis to be circumcised, as is the custom among the Egyptians. She asked that I give her 1,300 drachmae … to clothe her … and to provide her with a marriage dowry … if she didn’t do each of these or if she did not circumcise Tathemis in the month of Mecheir, year 18 [163 BCE], she would repay me 2,400 drachmae on the spot.”

    The examination of mummies has shown no evidence of FGM. Citing the Australian pathologist Grafton Elliot Smith, who examined hundreds of mummies in the early 20th century, Knight writes that the genital area may resemble Type III because during mummification the skin of the outer labia was pulled toward the anus to cover the pudendal cleft, possibly to prevent sexual violation. It was similarly not possible to determine whether Types I or II had been performed, because soft tissues had deteriorated or been removed by the embalmers.

    The Greek geographer Strabo (c. 64 BCE – c. 23 CE) wrote about FGM after visiting Egypt around 25 BCE. The philosopher Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE – 50 CE) also made reference to it: “the Egyptians by the custom of their country circumcise the marriageable youth and maid in the fourteenth (year) of their age, when the male begins to get seed, and the female to have a menstrual flow.” It is mentioned briefly in a work attributed to the Greek physician Galen (129 – c. 200 CE): “When [the clitoris] sticks out to a great extent in their young women, Egyptians consider it appropriate to cut it out.”:

    Strabo:

    “This is one of the customs most zealously pursued by them [the Egyptians]: to raise every child that is born and to circumcise [peritemnein] the males and excise [ektemnein] the females …”
    — Strabo, Geographica, c. 25 BCE.

    Another Greek physician, Aëtius of Amida (mid-5th to mid-6th century CE), offered more detail in book 16 of his Sixteen Books on Medicine, citing the physician Philomenes. The procedure was performed in case the clitoris, or nymphê, grew too large or triggered sexual desire when rubbing against clothing. “On this account, it seemed proper to the Egyptians to remove it before it became greatly enlarged”, Aëtius wrote, “especially at that time when the girls were about to be married”:

    “The surgery is performed in this way: Have the girl sit on a chair while a muscled young man standing behind her places his arms below the girl’s thighs. Have him separate and steady her legs and whole body. Standing in front and taking hold of the clitoris with a broad-mouthed forceps in his left hand, the surgeon stretches it outward, while with the right hand, he cuts it off at the point next to the pincers of the forceps. It is proper to let a length remain from that cut off, about the size of the membrane that’s between the nostrils, so as to take away the excess material only; as I have said, the part to be removed is at that point just above the pincers of the forceps. Because the clitoris is a skinlike structure and stretches out excessively, do not cut off too much, as a urinary fistula may result from cutting such large growths too deeply.”

    The genital area was then cleaned with a sponge, frankincense powder and wine or cold water, and wrapped in linen bandages dipped in vinegar, until the seventh day when calamine, rose petals, date pits or a “genital powder made from baked clay” might be applied.

    Whatever the practice’s origins, infibulation became linked to slavery. Mackie cites the Portuguese missionary João dos Santos, who in 1609 wrote of a group inland from Mogadishu who had a “custome to sew up their Females, especially their slaves being young to make them unable for conception, which makes these slaves sell dearer, both for their chastitie, and for better confidence which their Masters put in them”. The English explorer William Browne wrote in 1799 that the Egyptians practised excision, and that slaves in that country were infibulated to prevent pregnancy. Thus, Mackie argues, a “practice associated with shameful female slavery came to stand for honor” !!!

    Typically Islam. A COMPLETELY FALSE SENSE OF “HONOUR” !!!

    See also, this YOU TUBE Post: https://youtu.be/OdKxIWHkUng

    Watch this YOU TUBE Video about the RAPE-FUGEE INVASION OF EUROPE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4K4okVa7dU

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    Be ALERT & AWARE !!!

    All the Best to All Of Mankind, and God Bless, and May God Almighty: YAHWEH Have Mercy On Us All. Shalom & Amen.

    From the Book Of Revelation of the Holy Bible:

    Rev. 20:4 And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Sukhi Rahe {“Be Happy”} in Hindi,
    Shalom & Amen.

    Signed: Capt. Rosslyn Valentine Crasto,
    Master Mariner, {Retired} Ship Captain in the Indian Merchant Navy,
    For Authentication of my Identity and of the source of this Comment:
    {Valid} Indian Passport No.: P 8130053 {Renewing Indian Passport No.: G 2623652}.

  • Capt. Rosslyn V. Crasto

    FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION {F.G.M.} and INFIBULATION
    ================================================

    F.G.M. or Female Genital Mutilation is also known by the dubious name of “Female Circumcision” in order to try to equate it with Male Circumcision to which there is NO COMPARISON anatomically, physiologically, physically or even religiously / spiritually !!!

    This filthy, unhygienic and most unhealthy and painful practice, psychologically devastating to ALL women, is WIDELY PREVALENT IN ISLAM ONLY, and is strictly and most cruelly enforced by the MALE SADO-MASOCHIST, CHAUVINISTIC, MISOGYNISTIC MAD MULLAHS based on the Hadiths {sayings of the FALSE PROPHET Maha-MAD The M.F. !!!}.

    There is clearly a connection between the ANCIENT RITES OF PAGAN EGYPT AND THE ALLAH(T) OF ISLAM, with regard to FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION {F.G.M.}.

    Here is the connection:

    LILITH the Arch-Demoness Succubus AL BURAQ of ISLAM, is ALLAH(T), Allah with a silent ‘t’, Lilith = Al Lilat = AL LAT in the so-called SATANIC VERSES of the Most Unholy Qur’an, Al Lat = Allah(t), Allah with a silent ‘t’.

    And Lilith is the Ancient Babylonian Goddess ERESHKIGAL {Alla(h)-tu in Akkadian as per Ancient Encyclopedia}, along with her TWO SISTERS: ISHTAR {Al Uzza in the said Satanic Verses} and INANNA {Manat in the said Satanic Verses}.

    After the decline of the Akkadian and Babylonian Empires, these deities and their roles were successively transferred to the EGYPTIAN, Greek and Roman Empires before the Birth of Our Beloved and Blessed Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST, only to be revived all over again in PAGAN ISLAM in around the 600 C.E. by Maha-Mad The M.F., who PRAISED F.G.M. in his Hadiths {sayings of Maha-MAD} !!!

    Today, this FILTHY PAGAN PRACTICE has spread from MUSLIM Africa and the FILTHY ISLAMIC Middle East to nearly all over the world with the spread of Islam, and is now a GREAT DANGER even to non-Muslim females being forced by the Muslim swine to undergo this cruel, sadistic, inhuman, barbaric and MOST UNHEALTHY MALpractice !!!

    The concept stemmed from LILITH when she was PROHIBITED by God Almighty: YAHWEH FROM CONCEIVING FURTHER LILITU {Night Demons} to prevent recurrence of these NEPHILIM from antediluvian times.

    From Wikipedia using “FGM” as the Search Engine:

    Quote:

    History of Female Genital Mutilation
    Antiquity: EGYPTIAN

    The practice’s origins are unknown, but its east-west, north-south distribution in Africa meets in Sudan. Gerry Mackie has suggested that infibulation began there with the Meroite civilization (c. 800 BCE – c. 350 CE), before the rise of Islam, to increase confidence in paternity. According to historian Mary Knight, Spell 1117 (c. 1991–1786 BCE) of the Ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts may refer in hieroglyphs to an uncircumcised girl (‘m’t):
    a m a
    X1 D53 B1

    Spell 1117:

    “But if a man wants to know how to live, he should recite it [a magical spell] every day, after his flesh has been rubbed with the b3d [unknown substance] of an uncircumcised girl [‘m’t] and the flakes of skin [šnft] of an uncircumcised bald man.”
    — Inscription on Egyptian sarcophagus, c. 1991–1786 BCE.

    The spell was found on the sarcophagus of Sit-hedjhotep, now in the Egyptian Museum, and dates to Egypt’s Middle Kingdom.[s] (Paul F. O’Rourke argues that ‘m’t probably refers instead to a menstruating woman.) The proposed circumcision of an Egyptian girl, Tathemis, is also mentioned on a Greek papyrus, from 163 BCE, in the British Museum:

    “Sometime after this, Nephoris [Tathemis’s mother] defrauded me, being anxious that it was time for Tathemis to be circumcised, as is the custom among the Egyptians. She asked that I give her 1,300 drachmae … to clothe her … and to provide her with a marriage dowry … if she didn’t do each of these or if she did not circumcise Tathemis in the month of Mecheir, year 18 [163 BCE], she would repay me 2,400 drachmae on the spot.”

    The examination of mummies has shown no evidence of FGM. Citing the Australian pathologist Grafton Elliot Smith, who examined hundreds of mummies in the early 20th century, Knight writes that the genital area may resemble Type III because during mummification the skin of the outer labia was pulled toward the anus to cover the pudendal cleft, possibly to prevent sexual violation. It was similarly not possible to determine whether Types I or II had been performed, because soft tissues had deteriorated or been removed by the embalmers.

    The Greek geographer Strabo (c. 64 BCE – c. 23 CE) wrote about FGM after visiting Egypt around 25 BCE. The philosopher Philo of Alexandria (c. 20 BCE – 50 CE) also made reference to it: “the Egyptians by the custom of their country circumcise the marriageable youth and maid in the fourteenth (year) of their age, when the male begins to get seed, and the female to have a menstrual flow.” It is mentioned briefly in a work attributed to the Greek physician Galen (129 – c. 200 CE): “When [the clitoris] sticks out to a great extent in their young women, Egyptians consider it appropriate to cut it out.”:

    Strabo:

    “This is one of the customs most zealously pursued by them [the Egyptians]: to raise every child that is born and to circumcise [peritemnein] the males and excise [ektemnein] the females …”
    — Strabo, Geographica, c. 25 BCE.

    Another Greek physician, Aëtius of Amida (mid-5th to mid-6th century CE), offered more detail in book 16 of his Sixteen Books on Medicine, citing the physician Philomenes. The procedure was performed in case the clitoris, or nymphê, grew too large or triggered sexual desire when rubbing against clothing. “On this account, it seemed proper to the Egyptians to remove it before it became greatly enlarged”, Aëtius wrote, “especially at that time when the girls were about to be married”:

    “The surgery is performed in this way: Have the girl sit on a chair while a muscled young man standing behind her places his arms below the girl’s thighs. Have him separate and steady her legs and whole body. Standing in front and taking hold of the clitoris with a broad-mouthed forceps in his left hand, the surgeon stretches it outward, while with the right hand, he cuts it off at the point next to the pincers of the forceps. It is proper to let a length remain from that cut off, about the size of the membrane that’s between the nostrils, so as to take away the excess material only; as I have said, the part to be removed is at that point just above the pincers of the forceps. Because the clitoris is a skinlike structure and stretches out excessively, do not cut off too much, as a urinary fistula may result from cutting such large growths too deeply.”

    The genital area was then cleaned with a sponge, frankincense powder and wine or cold water, and wrapped in linen bandages dipped in vinegar, until the seventh day when calamine, rose petals, date pits or a “genital powder made from baked clay” might be applied.

    Whatever the practice’s origins, infibulation became linked to slavery. Mackie cites the Portuguese missionary João dos Santos, who in 1609 wrote of a group inland from Mogadishu who had a “custome to sew up their Females, especially their slaves being young to make them unable for conception, which makes these slaves sell dearer, both for their chastitie, and for better confidence which their Masters put in them”. The English explorer William Browne wrote in 1799 that the Egyptians practised excision, and that slaves in that country were infibulated to prevent pregnancy. Thus, Mackie argues, a “practice associated with shameful female slavery came to stand for honor” !!!

    Typically Islam. A COMPLETELY FALSE SENSE OF “HONOUR” !!!

    See also, this YOU TUBE Post: https://youtu.be/OdKxIWHkUng

    Watch this YOU TUBE Video about the RAPE-FUGEE INVASION OF EUROPE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4K4okVa7dU

    BEFORE REPLYING TO THIS COMMENT, Kindly read my Posts on YAHOO, DISQUS & on my FACEBOOK {Public} Timelines where I have described it all in detail. In particular, the Posts Titled: “FULL INTERPRETATION IN ENGLISH” & “SUMMATION IN ENGLISH.”

    If still interested, further Information on such matters made be obtained by you by left-clicking on my name herein, to obtain my YAHOO / DISCUS History Of Comments and then scrolling up / down, and also backed up on my FACEBOOK {Public} Timeline by using my name “Rosslyn Valentine Crasto” or “CaptRosslyn Crasto” or “Rosslyn Doppelganger” as your FACEBOOK Search Engine/s.

    And my new Web-Page on FACEBOOK, Titled: “The Aspiring Revelator”.

    Be ALERT & AWARE !!!

    All the Best to All Of Mankind, and God Bless, and May God Almighty: YAHWEH Have Mercy On Us All. Shalom & Amen.

    From the Book Of Revelation of the Holy Bible:

    Rev. 20:4 And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Sukhi Rahe {“Be Happy”} in Hindi,
    Shalom & Amen.

    Signed: Capt. Rosslyn Valentine Crasto,
    Master Mariner, {Retired} Ship Captain in the Indian Merchant Navy,
    For Authentication of my Identity and of the source of this Comment:
    {Valid} Indian Passport No.: P 8130053 {Renewing Indian Passport No.: G 2623652}.

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