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The Meat You Eat is HALAL but USDA Won’t Label It

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This is an outrage. If the roles were were reversed and it was Muslims being ignored, Muslims whose dietary religious traditions being violated, all hell would break loose.

Pamela Geller: USDA Ignores AFDI Petition to Require All Halal Meat Be Labeled as Such

A great deal of meat sold in this country is halal but is not labeled is such. It’s a scandal — but an established practice: meat packers generally do not separate halal meat from non-halal meat, and do not label halal meat as such. We attempted to right that wrong. But the U.S. Department of Agriculture has for four years now ignored, shelved, or just plain refused to rule on our petition.

As many Americans do not, for a variety of reasons, wish to eat halal meat, back in February 2012, my organization, the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), filed a citizen petition with the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service, asking that a regulation be enacted to ensure that all halal food be clearly labeled as halal. In April 2012, we agreed not to publicize our petition in order to give the agency some space to review the document without any pressure from the public.

On May 11, 2012, we had a face-to-face meeting in the USDA offices with top FSIS officials. We discussed this petition and the need for halal meat to be clearly labeled. Present at this meeting was Dan Engeljohn, a longtime USDA official who is now Assistant Administrator for the Office of Policy and Program Development (OPPD) in the FSIS. This position makes him responsible for FSIS regulations.

Engeljohn and company have now had four years to rule on our petition. They’ve done absolutely nothing.

As far back as October 2010, I reported on little-noted but explosive revelations that much of the meat in Europe and the United States was being processed as halal without the knowledge of the non-Muslim consumers who bought it.

Then in November 2011, I penned an article that caused a firestorm across the political spectrum, revealing that Butterball turkeys were all halal, but were not labeled as such. Heads exploded on the left – not over Butterball’s deception, but over my having the audacity to reveal it. And the clueless and compromised on the right were enraged as well: John Podhoretz tweeted, “I’d tell Pamela Geller to put a sock in it, but the sock might be halal.”

I was, of course, excoriated as a racist Islamophobic anti-Muslim bigot. In reality, however, we have no objection to halal meat being sold, as long as it is clearly labeled as such, and as long as non-halal meat is available. Meat that is halal must be labeled as such.

Our petition regarding ritual slaughter was posted on the FSIS website on February 14, 2012. It was a “ritual slaughter” petition that applied to all types of ritual slaughter: kosher, halal, etc. Every type of ritual slaughter holds some type of concern for some segment of the consuming public. We were not asking the USDA to single out a specific type of slaughter when dealing with this issue; our petition did not single out one type of ritual slaughter over another, nor did it wish to discriminate against a specific religious group.

We just wanted all meat that had been ritually slaughtered to be clearly labeled to that effect. Kosher meat is routinely marked accordingly; why not halal meat?

Our petition has since been taken down from the FSIS site, but here is a screenshot via the wayback machine.

This is strictly a false labeling and consumer choice issue. Religious people – Jews, Muslims, and others — should have the freedom to have meat and poultry products produced in a way that meets their needs. Conversely, consumers who don’t wish to consume ritually slaughtered products have a right to sufficient labeling information.

Under the current system, ritually slaughtered meat and poultry is not sufficiently labeled for consumers to be able to choose exactly what they want. Labeling can be misleading and untruthful in what it does not say if key facts are omitted. Consumers should have the ability to be able to choose for themselves if they want to eat ritually slaughtered products. Some Christians see the New Testament prohibiting the consumption of meat sacrificed to idols, and some would view halal meat as meeting that definition. But under current law, they have no way to avoid eating it.

Just as those who buy meat and poultry products labeled halal or kosher should have a reasonable expectation that the meat they’re buying was actually produced in that manner, so also those of us who don’t want to eat halal meat for whatever reason should also have a reasonable assurance that meat not labeled halal was not actually slaughtered in accordance with Sharia rules. As halal slaughter increases in the US, the likelihood of unknowingly buying meat sacrificed under the present system also increases.

This is a matter of simple justice and common sense. So why is the USDA stonewalling on our petition?

Pamela Geller is the President of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), publisher of PamelaGeller.com and author of The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America and Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance. Follow her on Twitter here. Like her on Facebook here.

 

 

  • HenryBowman419

    I do not understand the problem here, perhaps someone can inform me. USDA does not designate kosher meat, either — whether such meat is kosher or not is a designation by private, Jewish groups (there are at least 2–3). So, why should the Dept. of Ag worry about halal meat?

    Most muzzies will happily eat kosher meat if halal-designated meat is unavailable. What am I missing here? I am simply curious.

    • Karl Elshoff

      I didn’t know anything about Halal meat but found this article online.
      Know that I know about it I’ll pass the information around and boycott the product.

      http://1389blog.com/2011/06/29/why-non-muslims-should-avoid-halal-food/

      • Janet

        Thanks because I didn’t know what halal meat was! I’d heard the term and knew it had something to do with Islam but that’s all I knew! So thanks again!

    • michaelofsydney

      Part of the issue is a small % of the population dictating to the rest of us on how we should prepare our food. It is sacrificed to a murderous moon god. Their is principle involved, not to mention the bullying tactics used against food suppliers and that at least some of the extorted monies wind up supporting terrorists.

      • scudrunner

        very true. If we allow Walmart or any store to allow the moozies to force them to sell HALA then we the public are supporting terrorism and blackmail.

    • Patti York

      The sale of kosher meat does not result in the proceeds being used to fund terror activity,,like the sale of halal. Halal slaughter is barbarically inhumane and filthy.

      • That’s not a USDA responsibility, but an FBI or Treasury reaponsibility.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          NO, but it’s the job of the USDA to make sure halal meat is marked as being such Ahmed.

          • Under what authority?

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Prove it’s not Ahmed al arsehole.

          • Tell that to a Muskim; I’m Catholic. Government lacks the authority under 1A…endorsing a religion.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      Halal meat financially supports the spread of Pi$$lam, it gives jobs to imams and halal butchers.
      Muck Fuslims.

  • Mahou Shoujo

    The “halal” mark has to be purchased for some hamas or other terrorist organization’s commercial fraud devision. halal purchases are money given to terrorists.

    • Toro Huaman

      There is no need to label halal meat as such. Everybody must do some concessions for coexistance with muslims, it’s a matter of agreements: You eat halal meat, they don’t blow up your supermarket, just an example

      • Dr. Strangelove

        There is no need to spam a thread with multiple, identical comments. Not all of us wish to coexist with the islamosavages.

        • Reuban De Groot

          I bless all my food and water with blessed salt and the sign of the cross before eating it…label the meat!

      • Rob Porter

        Have you ever considered how astoundingly stupid are most of your comments?” Of course there is need to label halal meat, not least because of the cruel Muslim method of slaughter and a bigoted, non-Muslim-hating imam blessing the meat with his satanic prayer.

        “Everybody must do some concessions for coexistance with muslims, it’s a matter of agreements:” Agreements? Are you ‘mental’? So “everyone” excepting Muslims must make concessions for co-existence with intolerant, bigoted, thought-stunted Muslims? But Muslim don’t need to make concessions for co-existence? Maybe you are just being provocative and a comedian!

        If it’s case of “You eat halal meat, they don’t blow up your supermarket,” then my recommendation is blow up Muslims and ship out of the country in a leaky ship those who survive.

        • Scorpio

          He’s pulling you leg, dude.

          • Toro Huaman

            muslims are being exported to every corner of the world. an islamic era is coming upon the world. islam will be part of your daily life. is that trolling?? you are deluded

          • Rob Porter

            An awakening is going to occur and then your miserable lot will be turned into pigs dropping and then run over by a roller.

          • Susan

            No worries we have God on our side you only have allah or satan whatever you prefer to call it.

          • Rob Porter

            Look below, he wasn’t fooling. He believes and supports the crap he wrote above. From him it’s nothing new.

      • Retiredextremelydangerous

        I have no reason to coexist with any and all Muslims! I will not bow to a Muslim! If any bowing is done, it will be a Muslim Bowing to kiss my Christian ass! To all the suicide bombers, to those who sacrifice themselves on the alter of Mohammed and Allah. NO WORRIES, we will raise your children you leave behind, as Christians and in the name of Jesus!

        • Budvarakbar

          Take my advice and do not allow any of them near your “Christian ass”

          • Retiredextremelydangerous

            What do you all expect me to wipe my ass on?

        • Mike

          I have had many friends in my lifetime that were Muslim and they are the first to distance themselves from the trash we are talking about. I must say though, your a better person than I. Why would I dirty my ass with a kiss from one of those filthy, disgusting savages?

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Yeah, they’re distancing themselves only from you POV. It’s called Al Taqiyya and you’re a sucker.

        • Scorpio

          He’s a troll, he’s pulling your leg.

      • Aaron

        Go to BareNakedIslam and search halal. Then try to think.

      • Budvarakbar

        Eff you — damn FOOL!

      • .madashell

        Hey, Toro ( toro is spanish for the first part of “bullshit” ) I have a question.
        Given the muslim obsession with the spilling of blood and death, was the process you call “halal” just another phony excuse to indulge in
        masturbation ?
        If so, I may choose to become a vegetarian. It turns my stomach to think that the meat I am eating was killed, inhumanely, by a bunch of muslims as they sat around playing with their “weenies”.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        So, if the qur’an told you to jump off a cliff, you would comply, like all the brain dead of western europe.

        • Toro Huaman

          the quran calls to throw gays and off a cliff

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Show empathy with your fellow man, join them.

          • Dorrie

            Yeah, some peaceful cult, eh? *SMH* Moslem males should be castrated at birth.

        • Scorpio

          Toro’s a troll…he’s pulling your leg. All of you idiots who take him seriously just feed him. But he IS funny.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Fun to yank his chain every once in a while. He is so utterly clueless,

          • Toro Huaman

            muslims are being exported to every corner of the world. an islamic era is coming upon the world. islam will be part of your daily life. you will wake up every morning with the prettiest sound of earth for many, the muslims calling from their minarets. is that trolling?

      • Dorrie

        You appear to be WRETCHEDLY stupid! There is NO possibility for peaceful societies to “coexist” with Islam. It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE!

      • Scorpio

        Here you go again, pulling our leg. I’m starting to enjoy your posts…you mock the politically correct RIGHT…it’s quite funny.

        • Toro Huaman

          I just state FACTS. muslims are being exported to every corner of the world. an islamic era is coming upon the world. islam will be part of your daily life. you will wake up every morning with the prettiest sound of earth for many, the muslims calling from their minarets. is that trolling? I

          • Rob Porter

            When a bullet from my rifle passes through the Muslim’s worthless brain the Muslim calling from their minaret will end and I will return to sleep.

      • Susan

        What about the money that is sent to jihadist from halal certification? What about the animal cruelty that is committed to produce this meat. There are laws against animal cruelty that could stop this. Leave it to islam to create the most cruel way to kill animals. What about the blessing to satan for this meat???

    • Rob Porter

      Most or all New Zealand and Australian lamb sold in Canada is halal – and often not marked as such. After discovering this I once vigorously took this up with Metro stores head office and had one woman tell me I was “racist” and then put down the phone.

      I then discovered the Walmart in Mississauga, Ontario, was selling their broiled halal chickens, marked ‘Barbecue’ and challenged this with management, pointing out the mis-representation and deceit – and got nowhere. Managers I spoke with were literally brain dead. Discuss something contentious like this and watch their eyes glaze over. They are dishonest, stupid and don’t care – and deep in their puny little minds no doubt considered me ‘racist’, ‘bigoted’, and ‘intolerant’. They have absolutely no understanding of the meaning of honesty and principle. This has got to be a result of deliberate social conditioning to produce an unthinking, un-self-critical nation of people who simultaneously wallow in media-encouraged complacency – with ‘self-satisfaction’ an outstanding feature of their complacency. There is an amazing lack of awareness of what is taking place – not that most people even care! – and a useless media encourages this mental laziness with incessant suggestions that ‘we are the best in world – in everything’. No doubt you’ve seen it all!

      Most Canadians today are amazingly dull in respect of questioning minds, this the result of a now decades-long poor education system that does not encourage critical thinking and questioning of convention. To the core now inculcated is politically correct thinking, nonsensical and delusional notions of tolerance – that has produced astounding ‘intolerance’ of any thinking that deviates from what is considered the accepted and official ‘line’ in regard to ‘sensitive issues’. My bet is that The Rebel’s Ezra Levant would concur.

      I now consider as pretty high Canada’s chances of becoming an Orwellian ‘1984’-like dystopian society with thought police and persecution of anyone who deviated from what is officially considered the ‘accepted’ thinking on various issues. This began well more than a decade through Canadian Human Rights Rights Commissions, utter frauds in regard to human rights, and courts, not least the less than Supreme Court of Canada. More and more I consider this the time to get out, but the problem is where to go in a world that has largely lost its mind.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        The only way anything will change, is when individuals force change. muslims have figures out how to play the system, it is time to stop that, the majority have rights and privileges that are being trampled by belligerent islam.

        • Rob Porter

          Can you believe that at the end of August the dimwitted City of Mississauga is hold a ‘Muslim Fest’. The stupid city council will never force change other than in the wrong direction. Can you imagine the outcry if they had ever decided to hold a ‘Christian Fest’? So all round the world Muslims conducting jihad are murdering non-Muslims by the thousands and this idiotic city council, consumed by pc, refused to connect Islam with Muslim jihad attacks and mass murders in New York, Paris, Brussels, Nairobi, Nigeria, San Bernardino, Orlando, Boston, etc, and Muslim rapes and molestations all over Europe. As to the Muslims, they are too brain-dead and morals destitute to feel an ounce of shame over the conduct of their filthy brothers-in-arms.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Suppose they had a jihad and nobody came? This thing will not end well.

          • Rob Porter

            My disgust know no bounds.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            There is no guarantee muslims will behave, there is an ironclad guarantee that the media will not report on anything if they don’t.

          • Rob Porter

            Gee, and all along I thought that a ‘Muslim Fest’ was Muslims running around yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’ and murdering non-Muslims.

          • Catti

            “Muslim fest” takes several forms:
            – Anything that involves white children below the age of 10 (they call those opportunities ‘brothels’)
            – Any opportunity to predate or parasitize those who are weaker than themselves
            – Any opportunity to whine to gain victim and “special” status, including Fake Hate Crime Media Parties, Arson on their own mosques, and claims that nobody can be persecuted except Muslim persecutors. (Usually right after one of their terrorist attacks.
            – Bullying non-Muslims into aping their clownish supremacy costumes.
            – Receipt of more government grants to add to the billions they already steal
            – Petting zoos at fall fairs. Note that “pet” doesn’t have the same significance for an Islamic pervert

          • Mahou Shoujo

            muslim festivals all follow a similar pattern, there is a camel pisss garden, a street grope, rape in the park then a some stoning’s in the parking lot followed by the suicide squad fireworks display, then head off to evening preyers.

          • NonIslmophobicAthiestPedoHater

            RP- Sorry to burst your belief but a bunch of slimers running around killing people yelling ” allan akbar” is not to be considered as “moslime fest” and not cause for a day of celebration as it is just normal everyday behavior to a moderate or otherwise, slimer pedophile cult member of any gender.

          • Ron Cole

            The depressed drive over the cliff lefties would not recognize th e Truth were it emblazoned on sasquatched ample posterior in glowing whitey ink.

          • Dorrie

            Unfortunately, Ron, not just “lefties,” many Republicans are falling into lock-step with them!

          • Ron Cole

            Longer ago that I can recall both mobs morphed into one fat, wealthy, corrupt, sold out, treasonous, Constitution hating, Warrior bashing, Law Enforcement destroying,
            incestous crime family.
            Most now are only concerned with maintainig their obscene perks, outrageous retirements, bribes, kick backs, toy boys & girls & toy-its, and their perpetual orrifaces.

          • Dorrie

            I agree, Ron. I’m sure if you’re a believer, you can see the handwriting on the wall of these last days. There’s a very real possibility that Hillary will win the White House and take America to destruction, finishing what Obama started. And it will happen very quickly – within 2 years. All we can do is keep looking up.

          • Ron Cole

            Mam I am a mid term octogenerian who has seen and experianced more than I care to recall.
            I long for The Second Coming and little else.
            I only fear for my precious Home Schooled youth who will face the Babalon era head on.
            They are strong Christians and clearly understand what is to come. My fervernt prayers go with them.

          • Dorrie

            If they’re “strong Christians” they won’t be here for that awful time. Yeshua is coming for His Bride VERY soon, maybe THIS Feast of Trumpets, but if not, then next year for CERTAIN :)

          • Mahou Shoujo

            liberal socialist democrats have horse’s asss on the inside of their eyes, they can see nothing else.

          • Ron Cole

            May we call those glases a$$ colored ones?
            Love that avatar mam.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Yes, though I am sure it is printed on the insides of their short sighted eye balls.
            There is much to be said for gloves and garter belts.

          • Catti

            I live on the border between Toronto and Mosqu’issauga and I am not surprised they’re holding a goatfucker festival there. Their blonde bimbo mayor cost a guy his livelihood, the sin was opposing a new mosque in his neighbourhood in a shitty which boasts one on every corner. In an open city council meeting she shrieked curse words and called him “racist” etc. Then there’s the fact that Mosqu’issauga hosts the ICNA mega-complex, ICNA being a terrorist group allied with Muslim Brotherhood. They also host several extremist and hate preaching indoctrination centres (“schools”). Many Islamist infiltrators of both provincial and federal governments hail from ridings in or near Mosqu’issauga, Alghabra is one of them.

          • Rob Porter

            It’s a pity this councillor didn’t have a loud voice and the nerve to bellow back at this disgusting and ignorant mayor. If she wasn’t ignorant she wouldn’t have accused the man of ‘racism’ for opposing something Muslim. A pity he didn’t ask her, “Remind me again, what race is Muslim or Islam?” Ignorance and political correctness is leading the country down a disturbing path and through conversations i have with parents of my young grandchildren’s friends (they live with me) I see almost zero awareness of what it taking place in Mississauga or Canada – and in most cases they don’t appear interested in finding out. Some say nothing, but the cold reaction to trying to discuss these disturbing developments tells me they consider it ‘racist’ or ‘bigoted’ to do so. It’s really pathetic – and ignorant.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        You consider Canada a lost cause? That’s sobering, because I think the United Islamic Puppet States of N. America is much worse off, I think of the US federal government as an enemy of the free world — along w/their muslum puppet masters.

        • Rob Porter

          The U.S. could very well be in a worse state, but believe me Canada is in a mess that few here recognize. The widespread delusion is that all is well and that Canada is the best country on earth. A survey a couple of years ago revealed that most Canadians believe that if the rest of the world were like Canada, the world would be a better place. The self-delusion and pitiful lack of awareness of the decline occurring is remarkable. Talk about a nation in a state of sleep-walking! All over governments, federal and provincial, are just very poor with liars and incompetents leading the blind.

      • Scorpio

        I don’t think there’s anywhere to go. White civilization has almost been destroyed…in another 10 – 20 years, we’ll be completely destroyed and we’ll be a minority in every country on the planet.

        • Rob Porter

          Unless a huge awakening takes place I fear that you are right. White civilization is being destroyed by its own hand with Liberals – loathing of Western civilization and too stupid and warped to recognize that the alternatives are far more flawed – at the helm and doing this. His flaws notwithstanding, I now have to hope that Trump wins the election in November.

          This was a Czech view of America in a letter or article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon, after Obama was elected president. No doubt it will again apply if Americans vote in the disgusting, contemptible, vile Hillary Clinton:
          “The danger to America is not just Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

          “The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

          “The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

          • Scorpio

            What a biting but accurate analysis of obama and the fools who elected him. How can Czechs be so much smarter than your average American idiot…I thought Americans were the smartest, bestest people on the planet. All that liberal indoctrination is starting to pay off, I guess.

          • Rob Porter

            It is in part largely attributable to indoctrination through a liberal driven education system that, I now believe, deliberately does not encourage questioning minds, critical thought and doubting what you hear – and see on television. On the other side it encourages a politically correct mentality and with this fear of being critical.

        • Rob Porter

          I have absolutely marvelled at the way Canada opened its doors to the Third World and almost simultaneously, for a time at least, closed its doors to Europe. People would tell you that everyone lives harmoniously and in wondrous co-existence, but the truth is that the differently races mostly gather in kind of ghetto communities apart from other races. While co-existing peacefully enough, there is often little understanding in regard to humour and interests. Share an amusing moment with someone in a super market line-up, note the blank stare, and wonder why you bothered!

      • Michael Jacobs

        Query, sir — just how did you discover that the chickens in question were Halal, if they did not contain any Halal certificate, label, or mark? Not trolling, that’s a serious question.

        • Rob Porter

          How I discovered. We have a Friday evening routine of buying a broiled Barbecue chicken and a baguette that we eat with a salad. When I went into the store there were no chickens at the shelf, but the pleasant Filipino female assistant who knows my face well told me the new batch would be ready in just a few minutes. So I waited and then watched her remove all the chickens from the broiler and place them in ‘barbecue’ and ‘halal’ containers. When she came over to place these on the shelves I asked:”How do you distinguish between barbecue and halal chickens?” She looked very embarrassed and would not reply, so I said: “They’re all halal aren’t they?”
          “Yes”, she responded. I told her that was wrong and dishonest. She told me those were instructions, so that was when I sought out a manager – who I found to be a complete lamebrain. I then phone the head office – and got nowhere. They don’t care that they are deceiving and plainly dishonest.

      • Ron Cole

        Have you considered that these managers are brain mushed by eating too much muslim slop?

    • karpenter

      So Is Our Gasoline
      That Can’t Be Helped

      N.America Has Enough Petroleum To Put OPEC Out Of Business
      Let’s Not Frack, And Let The Third World
      Suffer Our ‘We Can Fix It’ Pollution

      Don’t OK The Pipeline To Our Gulf Refineries.
      Keep Americans Out Of Good Paying Jobs

      Meanwhile, Let The Muds In Nigeria And Mexico
      Try To Make A Living Off Petroleum

      Ecology Is A Plaything Of Leisure And Wealth
      We Let Others Swim In Our Sewers
      As Long As Our Homes And Lawns Are Fine…

      Liberalism Is The Plaything Of Leisure And Wealth
      How Is Your Lawn ??

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Guilty as charged, I have personally “fracked” a few oil wells. American production would not exist without fracking. What is needed is responsible resource management, not knee jerk reactions from wild eyed social misfits who’s only thought is to “stick it to the man”. Todays environmental activist is tomorrow’s jihadist.

        • karpenter

          I Hate The United States America
          Don’t You ??

          • Dorrie

            I’m sorry you hate. I LOVE America, because God framed her and set her apart as a holy nation, just as He did Israel.

          • karpenter

            America Has Become An Apostate
            Read The Headlines

          • Dorrie

            Your hate is an illness. Why not work to change and repair instead of your sick hate?

          • Mahou Shoujo

            No, I don’t even particularly hate muslims, though I dislike a lot of things that they do. Hate never accomplished anything, look at islam, it is the bottom feeder of the sewer because it hates everything, including itself.

        • Ron Cole

          Perhaps a notch lower.

    • Michael Jacobs

      _WHAT_ “halal” mark? The whole point of Ms Geller’s article was that certain sellers’ products which do _NOT_ contain a “halal” mark are nevertheless deemed “halal” (permitted) by some Muslims. I have yet to see anyone in this discussion, including Ms Geller, substantiate that any meatpacker who does _not_ display a “halal” mark on its product is nevertheless making payments to some Muslim organization to obtain “halal” certification.

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Halal Certification Agency

        What is Halal/Zabiha/Haram?

        Application for Halal Certification

        Certification Process

        Certified Companies

        Raw Material and Ingredient Info Sheet

        Halal info

        Halal Production Guidelines

        Brief History of Halal Certification

        ISNA® Canada’s Halal Procedure for Certification

        Withdrawal of Certification – Crider Inc

        (14-07-2010)

        Machine vs Hand Slaughter – Letter from – Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi

        ISNA® Canada alhamdu lillah is well recognized internationally for the services it has been providing since its inception as Muslim Students Association of the U.S. and Canada in 1963. Later on it was restructured into the present set up of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA®) in 1981.

        Since 1988 ISNA® Canada alhamdu lillah has been providing Halal Certification service to the Muslim communities not only in Canada and the United States but throughout the Muslim world. ISNA® Canada developed its Halal Logo (see below) to be put on the packages certified by it to assure the Muslims that package contains the Halal food.

        As certification work had expanded considerably, it was felt that a separate Division of ISNA® Canada would be an excellent idea to set it up which would specialize in Halal certification. This was necessary to pursue and vigorously expand the certification work. This would also provide a better and credible assurance for all kinds of Halal food for the Muslims not only in Canada but for the rest of the world.

        With that background, an organization called ISNA® Halal Certification Agency (HCA) was set up. It was incorporated at the Federal level on December 24, 2001 and was entrusted with the responsibilities of Halal Food certification being produced and manufactured in Canada in the United States. Since then, HCA developed its own Halal Logo which replaced the ISNA® Canada Halal Logo.

        • Michael Jacobs

          Very interesting, but irrelevant to the question I raised. This document you quote refers only to products that are _LABELED_ with a Halal mark after undergoing the Halal certification process. Still no evidence of any _UNMARKED_ packages of meat that are somehow legitimately Halal-certified. (I’m still leaving open the possibility that some imam is either (A) cutting corners, as many Muslims do by accepting Kosher certification as “good enough” and thus declaring Kosher meat “halal,” or (B) lying, just to cause the kind of confusion and upset that seems to be happening here — but no proof, yet, either way_.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Here is a brief description of the difference between halal and kosher, if you ever visit a conventional slaughterhouse you will see how things are done “normally”

            Kosher vs. Halal:
            Kosher – requires the animal be slaughtered quickly and humanely, strictly forbidding cruel slow methods like strangulation.
            Halal – requires the animal be bled out in agony while sick people who get off watching that kind of thing have a “festival.”
            Kosher – requires the blood be drained cleanly from the *carcass* of the humanely killed animal, removing toxins released from cells into the bloodstream at the moment of death from the meat.
            Halal –leaves the meat *filled* with toxins released at the moment of death because the blood is removed while the animal is dying and therefore is not present in sufficient quantities to remove those last toxins.
            Kosher – contains little to no cortisol or norepenepherine (two stress chemicals that are similar enough from mammal to mammal to cross species) because the animal to be killed is treated well before it is put down and is generally not frightened as it is put down (because in a truly kosher slaughter situation, animals cannot be slaughtered in a sequential fashion, as the waste of one could contaminate the next, so they are not exposed to the “scent of death” the way non-kosher culls are)
            Halal – animals watch other animals die during the blood letting festival, smelling their fear and raising their own stress. These stress chemicals “marinate” the meat in hormones known to raise levels of aggression and violence in nearly all mammal species (including human).
            Kosher – requires cooking the cleanly drained meat completely, cooking any remaining stress chemicals into oblivion.
            Halal – allows for a surprising range of cooking methods, including even some “tar tar” dishes (raw or nearly raw), allowing for the spread of disease and chemicals and hormones that were not removed by the idiotic slow bloodletting practice and half-measure cooking.
            Kosher – the spinal cord is sectioned thus cutting off pain to the brain. Therefore, no suffering or terror.
            Halal – spinal cord left intact.

    • Ron Cole
      • Mahou Shoujo

        That would interfere with my medication.

        • Ron Cole

          In the joke I remember the punch line was Budweiser makes me sore.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            There was something like that, only in Canada it involved Labatt’s blue. No matter it still does.

          • Ron Cole

            Strangely enough we have Labatt’s Blue here.

            When I was flying we would buy Strohs in Detroit (cheapest ),
            trade it for Coor’s in Colorado( as close to bottled water as it gets),
            then trade it for Labat’s in Canada,
            and bring that back to Detroit and trade for Fisher LaBelle*.

            That may seem like a lot of trouble but we started with a cheap beer and ended up with the most expensive of beers.
            Of course had we been caught by the Customized gurret`minteered
            we might have had a problem. We had an arrangement that always worked.

            When they came aboard to inspect us we place a good bottle of Scotch on the conference table. We offered the table for their volumes of paper work.
            We would slip the bottle into the Customizer’s briefcase. It would nod and go away happy.

            Alas we can not buy Fisher Labelle here.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/750b636ac6c879cd1f91566628b445d07e7a426588a4eaa984aa822e883e2f65.jpg .

            That worked every time in every country except Spixako. Their thugs wanted money in $ 100.00 denominations for every hat change
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/702ce2c4724a7777eea321464cbeadb3541caa7593c0108426d9387e9979dc94.jpg

          • Mahou Shoujo

            No wonder the small businessman is a disappearing breed, there is entirely too much paperwork and government fees to allow for a profit.

        • Ron Cole

          Perhaps we can try non-alcohol ones, but please understand that is against my highest held principles.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Oy my goodness gracious no. Alcohol free? Blasphemy, people might thing we are muslims. Admittedly I have done a few disreputable things, but never anything that reprehensibly low.

  • Lickylick

    Religious intolerance always seems to be claimed by those being intolerant. Here we have needed labeling and regulators and the politically correct being intolerant. They always accuse their targets of what they themselves do.
    There were very good reasons the Christians fought the Crusades trying to eliminate the barbarians. It wasn’t because of religious intolerance by the Christians either. Same as it is today, Islam can not and will not ever be able to peacefully coexist with any other religion. Ever. Islam’s peaceful practitioners all agree that they have no problem with mercy killings, the anihilation of all other religion by force, and more abominable ways of intolerance. When a muslim says they are a peace loving religion they only mean with their sect. All others be damned to burn in hell.

    • scudrunner

      Ravi Zacharias calls this ‘bait and switch’. When the leftist claim to be tolerant and when they want to or whenever someone disagrees with them they loudly claim your are an intolerant bigot.

  • Bronish

    Knowing this is controversial, I’ll say it anyway. Lots of folks won’t agree with me, but that’s ok. Slaughterhouses make me sick. I cannot and will not purchase beef or pork because I hate the thot of these large animals suffering and dying. I don’t care which sort of slaughter occurs. If the animals are killed, then they suffer first. I can’t stand that.
    So, halal or not, big animals are terrified, they suffer, and die….that doesn’t work for me.

    • Ben Hur

      Halal is cruel to the animal whereas normal procedures aren’t. With Halal the animal bleeds out while alive (from neck) whereas they are knocked out by a head tap with humane methods. Islam is not just bad for non-mushlims but animal life too.

      • Joe Swanson

        I always love when the “humane” argument comes up. Would you be ok if someone close to you was brutally murdered, as long as they were struck in the head with a steel bolt first? If the answer is no, then why would you be ok if it is done to an animal? The only “humane” treatment is to leave them alone and let them live out their life. Humane slaughter is an oxymoron. The two terms are mutually exclusive.

    • michaelofsydney

      I’m with you. I only eat food that has fallen off the trees because even lettuce scream when you pull them out of the ground. And can you imagine how cruel to pull a living orange off a tree!! Like…would we pull the testicles off a man? People are just so insensitive. Most of the time I just cry and cry my little heart out.

      • Dr. Strangelove

        I feel you. The slaughter must stop!

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Don’t forget the poor spud — ripped out of the ground, roots and all! I cry just thinking about it.

        • michaelofsydney

          When I read your post, I just shuddered and burst into tears. I will be attending a men’s vegan group today. Today’s topic is “Should fish and chips be sold at the kiosk at aquariums or is this sick and grossly insensitive?” We are also learning to use the toilet sitting down

    • scudrunner

      That is the whole point of the petition. So that you can have the choice of buying or not.

    • Dr. Strangelove

      I hate animal cruelty, that’s why I buy all my meat at the grocery store.

      • michaelofsydney

        I prefer to kill my own…but it hurts my heart

    • Mark Steiner

      Man’s gross mistreatment of the animal kingdom will receive God’s judgment in the future. Revelation 6:7-8

      • michaelofsydney

        All I can think of is that I am so glad that there are security guards around the goat enclosure at Taronga Park Zoo (Sydney Zoo)

  • Ben Hur

    We need to have certified NON HALAL meat and put those producers out of business. I don’t want to eat meat sacrificed to some pagan moon god and used to finance Islamic rule.

    • Buy kosher then. The USDA isn’t in the business of labeling meat halal or kosher though. They only exist to enforce safety standards.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        I try to buy kosher products when I can — at least then I know it’s not halal!

        • karpenter

          That’s Not True
          In Minn. They Think Kosher And Halal Are The Same For Food Pantries

          I’m Not Going To Hash The Links Anymore
          Find It For Yourself

          • Michael Jacobs

            That’s because many if not most Muslims are willing to accept Kosher certification as a substitute for Halal, but not the other way around. If you want to be SURE your meat isn’t Kosher _or_ Halal, buy pork.

    • Gabriel A. King

      And now we are only beginning to see how far the treason has gone.

      1776, 3%

    • Steve

      You hit the nail on the head when you said the meat is sacrificed to some pagan moon god. Halal is just another of many islamist ritual behaviors that is done to reinforce the link with the past and all that it represents. Unfortunately for the west their connection is to their unchanging bipolar book of beliefs and a barbarian existence that seeks to be totally dominant. For westerners to be subjected to halal knowing its history and to acquiesce and consume it is to agree with the islamists and to be tricked into consuming halal is a slight upon westerers by islamists.

      • Michael Jacobs

        Halal slaughter isn’t that different from Kosher slaughter. Are you one of those postmodern secularists who is against _both_? If you’re a religious person, why are you dissing traditional ritual slaughter methods which have been around since long before US style industrial slaughterhouses and were intended to be more humane than other methods of their time? Remember almost everything you say to diss Halal slaughter rebounds onto Kosher shokhets too.

        • catherineinpvb
          • Steve

            Thanks for adding this.

            I personally don’t eat a lot of meat but the halal method as described in this article is certainly no more humane than western or kosher methods and from the pictures a pretty bloody affair. My biggest problem though with any method of any culture is that i want to know what it is that i am being sold. If you look at my post i explain it better to that poster who seemed to be spinning what i said. I see islam as being pushy with halal – like just about everything in their culture – and its about having their way and dominating the west – a sort of “in your face” bullying. I do not feel this to be an issue with jewish people. It just seems about being a slight to me with islam being so damn pushy especially when its a secret that they can put over on people.

            I see posts quite often about muslims protesting western food and I think where is the mutual respect from them for american ways. They certainly are in our faces about pork and use of bacon. Of course, we know with islam its about domination and with jewish its live and let live.

          • catherineinpvb

            You are right.. .for the Muslim, fundamental devotee’. . .it is ‘their way’ – or the highway. All the more incredible, when that ‘highway’ is in ‘your’ world neighborhood; and not theirs. See little or no compassion in the Jihadist/Islamist ways/means of life. ‘Love’. ..Tolerance; Humility. . . appear NOT as Islamic virtues. And with this; have no desire to eat meat raised – and killed – by Halal MO’s.

            Do not trust those who do not respect animals. Does not bode well from start to finish for the animal; and by turn, those depending on such, for their meal.

            And, if there were no issues here; the meat would readily/easily. . . be identified as such. As it is. . .this is not the case.

        • Steve

          No, I am not a postmodern secularist. I am religious and i have nothing against islam using its methods of preparing food though i disagree with most of what they want to do in this country. But, back to the topic, you’re suggesting i’m dissing another culture’s traditional slaughter methods and that’s you misreading my comment. I do find halal is being pushed upon americans without them always knowing it (as i said in my post we are being sometimes “tricked”). It is occurring and that to me is disrespectful to consumers and is a big appeasement towards islam and a slight by some islamists towards westerners.

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622830/Millions-eating-halal-food-without-knowing-How-big-brand-shops-restaurants-sell-ritually-slaughtered-meat-dont-label-it.html

          http://humanevents.com/2010/10/16/secret-selling-of-halal-meat-in-the-us/

          Furthermore, this is not the 7th century and islam is coming to this country. Assimilation is something that one does when they go to another country. They can keep their halal as jewish their kosher as a tradition but don’t try to push it on other people and do not try to sell it to me secretly as is the case of halal in many cases. Many businesses are being cowed into selling it and lying to consumers or simply not mentioning it. Give me a choice.

          I have nothing in principle against either halal or kosher and frankly if a culture wants to dip their meat in urine or feces before they eat it that’s up to them. I will leave them to their own ways. Maybe you would like to think people are secularists when they resent being disrespected by sellers intimidated into selling them food secretly that represents another culture trying to be pushy to americans who resent it but all i ask is mutual respect -fro any culture -especially since i was in this country long before halal was an issue that islamists want to push down american’s throats.

          • Michael Jacobs

            Perhaps in the UK (is that where you live?) the government gets involved in the Kosher and Halal certification process. That could not happen in the USA due to the First Amendment prohibition on establishment of religion (the UK gov has no comparable law, and in fact has an established church, and also meddles in all the other ones).

            The “false advertising” Ms. Geller complains of would occur only if someone labeled their meat “Halal” (or “Kosher,” or whatever) if it did not in fact meet that specification. In that case, the seller would be palming it off as something it wasn’t. The seller who is simply offering “beef,” or “lamb,” however, is not falsly advertising that their product is beef or lamb, if in fact it is. And if some imam somewhere tells his congregants or web followers that ZYX Slaugherhouse’s products meet his requirements and specifications as Halal, _without_ ZYX Corp. having paid the imam anything nor placed any certifying Halal mark on their itself, what could anyone do about that? And why would anyone care? If you believe that Islam sanctions lying to non-Muslims to further the interests of Islam, have you considered the possibility they are pulling our leg by saying that all (un-marked) beef or lamb from a certain supplier is Halal, just to see us twist and squirm over this? And in all this discussion I still haven’t seen anyone point to evidence that any meatpacker who doesn’t actually affix a Halal label to his product, has nevertheless paid an imam or other Muslim organization for the privilege of allowing that authority to tell its followers that the product meets the specifications required for it to be deemed Halal (that is, permitted). In other words, it meets their specifications, _even_if_ the seller in no way changed what it normally did, to meet those specs. That’s the part I still don’t get, what everyone here is complaining about.

          • Steve

            I appreciate the dialogue and i understand your points but i still feel its an issue of many people choosing not to eat halal because of all the baggage that islam harbors. The halal issue essentially becomes more than a food issue because of islam immigrating into places and essentially developing “no go zones” combined with their unwillingness to assimilate and being pushy about their customs at the expense of other people. We’ll probably disagree about it but I don’t see that this has happened with jewish and other cultures to such an extent that they don’t become “americans” first.

            Westerners sense or incur islamic hostility from many like with no other religion and the association of terrorism towards the west is also a very real concern and not just some phobia. Halal is in essence a sort of pawn as part of all that being played – like with education and style of clothing and so on. Islamics also tend to abuse lawsuits to get other things unfairly in a general pattern of hijrah by islamist pursuits at the expense of westerners.

            Those islamics who are not so assertive as a rule tend to support those who are more aggressive. In other words, its islam first and everyone else second in a majority of cases. I am from wyoming so we don’t see a lot of islamics and halal. That is why i can look at it from a different point of view perhaps than some beyond being just a food issue.

          • Michael Jacobs

            Steve, I understand and appreciate your concerns, but none of that answers my original question, which is, whether a situation even exists where UNLABELED meats, of unknown provenance, are being sold to the public but which are SECRETLY “halal.” If so, how do the Muslims who would want to purchase _only_ halal meats know these meats meet their religious standards? And if so, how did Ms Geller, or anyone else, _also_ find out that such meats are claimed to be halal? Claimed by _whom_? On what basis? Certainly not on the basis of having some identifying label or mark on the meat or packaging itself, since the whole issue related to UNMARKED meats. Do you see my dilemma? And no one has answered that yet; all attempted answers have referred, quite obviously, to meats that _DO_ carry a halal label or are specifically being sold by markets _as_ halal, so that consumers know what they are getting. I suspect the chances are slim to zero that any consumer is currently being misled into buying unlabeled, halal meat. If such a situation exists, no one has yet come forward with evidence.

          • Steve

            I guess you didn’t read the articles in my post.

          • Michael Jacobs

            sI read the article, from the Daily Mail (UK) if that’s what you are referring to, Steve. It still didn’t answer my questions about what is going on in the USA, which was the subject of Ms Geller’s original article (about her USDA petition to require halal meat to be labelled as such). And even in the UK, the cited article says nothing about whether an imam or trained Muslim slaughterer is required on the production line when non-exclusively-halal abbatoirs use “halal method” for killing the animal. Per the Daily Mail article, the controversy seems to revolve around whether the animal was stunned or not before its throat was sliced, with most modern Westerners (religious or not) including anti-animal-cruelty groups, preferring the stun method. It also notes that Kosher slaughter prohibits stunning the animal before its throat is cut. One thing that seems to be missing from this whole discussion is any realization by the various meat-eaters participating, of just how bloody, messy, and dehumanizing the whole concept of industrial slaughter is, compared to the old-fashioned, one-at-a-time sacrificial slaughter in which the fact that a living being is being killed for food, is explicitly recognized and appreciated with an appropriate blessing. I won’t eat halal, because I’m a kosher Jew. I also won’t eat “regular” non-kosher meat that is not ritually slaughtered in accord with Jewish law. But for anyone who claims to care about _not_ eating halal meat but is otherwise not particularly bound by any religious _or_ secular convictions (such as opposition to animal cruelty) to avoid eating “regular” (non-halal and non-kosher) meats, maybe the answer is for them to get together and organize their _own_, private-label, “certified non-halal” monitoring organization. Good luck getting any meatcutters to agree to _pay_money_ to such an organization to supervise their work, unless and until the subject market segment that _refuses_ to buy any meat not containing such a label, gets big enough for them to pay attention. Otherwise, it’s apparent that most of the not-particularly-religious-about-their-meat people simply don’t care, and if the customers don’t care, why should the sellers care about whether they achieve economies of scale by producing _all_ their meat by halal methods, while only labeling _some_ of it as halal, to attract the Muslim customer? I see your point, and you certainly have the _right_ to protest and seek to have the UK government require such “certified non-halal” labeling, but there is no such right in the USA, because the US government does not intervene in religious matters. That’s really all I had to say on the subject to begin with, and nothing anybody has said has indicated to me there is any such problem in the USA.

          • Steve

            You can believe as you like. My point is that halal is a pawn of the islamists like education and clothing differences etc and they all represent a push for sharia using hijrah to try to dominate the west. Whether or not you can find your evidence is something you will have to worry about since it really seems to concern you to such a degree – so keep looking.

            I’ve found enough for me in the articles i’ve read to be wary of anything that the industry says but I won’t lose sleep over it. I don’t eat kosher either but, again, the issue for me is that halal represents islamism and hijrah to me and i think it fair to say a majority of westerners. I have read many articles that have convinced me of the likeliness of the industry caving to the demand for halal without considering the westerner and is good enough for me.

            The articles i’ve sent you describe how the industry will attempt to trick the public by not always being clear about the use of halal. They may have websites at times and put information on the menu at times but next time you go to lunch with some friends watch and see who pulls out their ipad to do a websearch – not too many. The bottom line is that if the industry can use halal without too much advertising they will and if the west doesn’t complain then they will continue to do so. Its really about islamist hijrah- and a little sleight of hand by the industry.

        • Nighthawk

          Wrong! It’s very different. Kosher slaughter eliminates discomfort while halal slaughter deliberately causes a slow and excruciating death leaving lots of adrenaline in the meat causing headaches at minimum to the consumer.

          • Michael Jacobs

            And you heard this, where? About halal slaughter _deliberately_ causing “slow and excruciating” death? Much less the part about adrenaline? Have there been any objective, scientific studies you can point to? Or is all this coming from the the same or similar anti-Islam propaganda sources? I’m not a Muslim apologist, I’m a kosher, orthodox Jew, but from what I’ve read, the _actual_ requirements of halal slaughter are virtually parallel to the requirements for kosher slaughter. Neither permits the animal to be stunned or injured before the neck is cut. Neither sanctions any unnecessary pain to the animal. Read this description of the formal requirements for halal slaughter and tell me, if you find any, what parts are _intended_ to cause pain. Now, if there may be some halal slaughterhouses or individual acts of supposedly halal slaughter that do not adhere strictly to those requirements — that is a complaint against the laxness of the individual or corporate slaughterer, not against the concept of halal slaughter itself. And let me just add — bleeding out, that is, death caused by loss of blood, is _not_ itself painful. It looks gory and gruesome to the fastidious who react adversely to, well, blood, but objectively, both kosher and halal slaughter involve cutting of the throat with a sharp, nick-free knife, and strive to minimize pain to the animal.
            http://halalcertification.ie/halal/islamic-method-of-slaughtering/

      • Steve

        What about food that has a small K with a circle around it? Why is that forced on us?

    • karpenter

      When You See A Halal Bin At The Market
      Toss In A Slab Of Bacon
      I Haven’t Seen A Halal Section At My Area Stores
      But When I Do, That’s What Will Happen

      This Site Is Your Halal Restaurant And Market Locator
      Globally:
      https://www.zabihah.com/

    • karpenter

      How Many Halal Needers Are Alleged To Currently Be In The US ?
      3-4 Million ?? They Sho’ Is Extra-Special…

      • Sam Jeanie

        They should eat pork. It’s delicious. Allah doesn’t give a crap anyway
        as he doesn’t exist. Time for these people to pull their heads
        out of the backside.

        • Dorrie

          Port is a wine … they aren’t supposed to drink …

          • Sam Jeanie

            I meant PORK but I edited my comment, guess it didn’t
            work.

          • el

            Kinda funny, pork and port both relate to their chosen limitations.

        • Steve

          Jews don’t eat pork.

          • Sam Jeanie

            Referring to the mooslims eating pork

    • Michael Jacobs

      What you suggest is impossible, unless you are offering to create a private certifying organization which meatpackers would then _pay_ to put their “non-Halal” labels on stuff. Why would they pay _you_ to _reduce_ their market share, if, in fact, some Imam has certified their meat as Halal anyway. _without_ paying the slaughterhouse to put on “Halal” stickers? Leaving them unlabeled makes the most sense for their mass-market items, though they may offer specialized, religiously-certified lines in addition, to _broaden_ their market.

      • Steve

        How about if i open a store and get meat from a mass producer and marinate it in goat urine for a week and don’t label it and claim its my new cult’s ways. I don’t think you would like it if you didn’t read the label of what i sold you and found out later.

        • Michael Jacobs

          In that case, the product is adulterated with a non-food ingredient that is not listed on the label. Entirely different matter than whether the seller’s product, without any paid private certification, is deemed by some religious authority to meet the specifications of that religion. I’m reminded of the days when Catholics eschewed meat on Fridays. They did not have any certifying organization tell them a given product was fit for Friday consumption; they relied on common sense, and the ingredients label, to tell them if any product contained meat. (I’m not sure if they were as dogmatic about excluding meat _by-products_ as well, such as the gelatin in Jell-O and many yoghurts and cheeses — but if so, same idea.)

          • Steve

            I see you responded again. The point remains is that you would want a product that is adulterated or not and if there are people who consider goat urine good for them and sold it to you you wouldn’t like it. You seem to go to great lengths in trying to say its okay for people who don’t want halal to be “tricked” by not knowing it. I know you are pro muslim to push so hard for this and that’s fine if you are but its deceptive to sell products without people knowing the ingredients and the production method.

          • Michael Jacobs

            We’re going around and around at this point, Steve, and I seem to be failing to communicate my views in a way you can understand them, but I’ll try one more time to do so. The USDA labeling deals with food purity, i.e. whether it contains an excessive amount of adulterating non-food ingredients (note – ALL food has some impurities), and whether its production method falls within a very broad range of permitted practices. The producer, may, if it wishes, also seek certification of some kind from various religious or other organizations (such as, an “organic” certification from outfits dedicated to that issue, or a “free trade” certification from one of those NGOs, etc.). OR, the product may IN FACT be: halal, kosher, organic, free trade, or whatever, even WITHOUT such an (additional, optional) certification which would _add_ value for the producer if he were trying to sell to a specific market that demanded such certification. But, it is NOT FRAUD and not in any way “adulterated” to sell food that is IN FACT organic, or free trade, or kosher, or, yes, halal, WITHOUT such a certification attached. That’s simply the law, like it or not. And it would be immensely impractical to REQUIRE food producers to label ALL their products that HAPPEN TO BE organic, free trade, kosher, halal, etc. even when doing so gives the producer NO sales advantage in a particular target market. It would be way too burdensome. And, of course, any such law would HAVE TO apply to ALL such qualities of the food, not just the “religiously okay” part, because otherwise the government would be intervening in matters of religious doctrine (a big no-no under the First Amendment) _or_ discriminating against religions by requiring them to label certain qualities based on religious content instead of a content-neutral standard, or both. I’m not “pro-Muslim” as you suggest, any more than a person who supported universal civil rights in the 1950s was a “n____ lover” — I just believe the government should show fairness and neutrality on these issues, not undue anti-religious bias on this one issue of halal meat. I’m an observant Jew who keeps kosher. And, as you may or may not be aware, there are many, many food products that are deemed kosher by rabbinic authority but which are NOT labeled as such and do not require rabbinic certification before an observant Jew can eat them. I assume it is much the same with halal. What you are asking the government, and the food producers, to do, is to CERTIFY A NEGATIVE that has nothing to do with whether the food is adulterated: you’re saying, “I won’t eat that, if it’s something that Muslims eat.” That’s just nuts. Let me put it to you this way: if your meat were being slaughtered in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY — which IS permissible under USDA regs — but WITHOUT any of it being certified as halal by any Muslim authority, would you still say you have a right to know about that? That IS NOT the current state of the law. If you want to CHANGE the law to make that happen, then such a change would have to apply across the board and, for instance, require ALL meat producers to certify ALL meat as to its method of slaughter in enough detail that queasy people can decide whether they want their meat pre-stunned or not, blood-drained or not, hot-dipped in a scalding tub to remove hair and feathers or cold-plucked, and so on. Trust me, most people either don’t give a darn about all that, or would _rather_not_know_ that their meat comes from slaughtered animals instead of miraculously emerging on their supermarket shelves in bloodless styrofoam trays covered with clingwrap. I certainly don’t object to your trying to lobby for such a change — it’s your natural right to petition the government to redress your grievances — I just think it’s a quixotic errand, and one motivated more by Muslim-hatred (Islamophobia) than by actual concerns with adulterated food.

          • Steve

            Yes you are failing again to make sense with your dogmatic views. You should go into teaching.

    • catherineinpvb

      Not to mention; ‘brutally treated’ and by same ‘lights’, slaughtered.

    • g kelly

      Funny. As most well-informed people know, Muslims worship the god of “the Book,” which just happens to be the same god worshiped by Jews and Christians.

      • tuffone3

        Your ignorance is showing.
        alla is a moon god Abram worshipped before he met the One True God who is triune.

  • michaelofsydney

    I generally ask at my local supermarket deli if the bacon is Hal al. When they say no…I say ‘Great, I’ll have some thanks’. Only 2.5 % are Muslim in Australia, yet you cannot buy a chicken that is not Hal al in Sydney.

    • Steve

      So the butcher or seller gets this information from an inspector? That seems like it would be the only way to find out. I suggest boycott any store if you find it is selling it.

      • michaelofsydney

        I am buying chickens come the spring time to raise ostensibly for eggs but also to eat, so I can avoid this type of practice. My butcher does not sell Hal al, though the supermarket does. I just like to have a laugh asking is the bacon halal.If I do start boycotting stores, then I think I should you tube the reasons so it actually might sting those companies. I guess we all need to take some sort of action.

    • Americans eat Turk-eys

      Well, since Butterball turkeys are towing the sharia line, maybeTurk-ey bacon meets the specifications. (I don’t know if they have that in Australia but we do in the U.S.) (Does Butterball make Turk-ey bacon ?) BTW – if non-moslems eat compliant food, does that qualify us as moslem and therefore not to be vicitimized ? — Like they have that rule that if a guy’s father is moslem, so is he even if the kid isn’t interested in being moslem…

      • michaelofsydney

        Turkey isn’t a big thing in Aus. We don’t do the Thanksgiving thing, so no need really. Butterball is not active in Aus at all..or at least that is the first time I have heard the name. In fact a lot of US companies find it hard to trade in Australia due to our convict heritage and that shoplifting is not a crime. The foreign companies seem to get upset when people take stuff from the shops without paying. The way we see it, is that if they don’t like our way of consuming, then they should just F OFF. Foreigners just don’t seem to understand that if we wanted to pay for it, we would. WE pay taxes, so to our way of thinking, it should be free. Today, I went shopping and only paid for 3 things out of 8. Whatever our differences, we don’t like Islam.

      • jmichael

        Don’t buy Butterball.

    • Joe Swanson

      For future reference, no bacon is halal. Pork is forbidden in the muslim faith.

      • Richard

        I think he knows that, that’s why he gets a kick out of asking the question. Kosher shrimp, anyone?

        • Mahou Shoujo

          They are makrooh which is islamic for neither here not there, so I would guess instead of being killed for violating shari’a dietary dictates, the offender is merely criticized.

        • michaelofsydney

          Thank you Richard. I was starting to think that maybe I was an idiot !

      • michaelofsydney

        Um…I do realise that Joe…..It’s just a little fun at the supermarket

      • jmichael

        Yes, when in doubt, buy pork.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      LOL, halal bacon!

    • Rob Porter

      Re your halal chickens and lamb, that is what Muslims achieved through determination and conviction about their sickly ideology. It is also a consequence of Australian lack of knowledge and awareness of Islam, lack of moral fibre, lack of belief in anything very much any more, and falling the political correctness trash. When in Canada I discovered that the Walmart store I had been using sold halal chickens – marked as ‘Barbecue’ chickens – I simply stopped buying the stuff after challenging their brain-dead managers who saw nothing wrong in deceiving the public.

  • It appears that New Zealand lamb is now all ‘halal’ yet my local restaurant chain serves it but does not indicate on the menu that it is ‘halal.’ At one time, federal law here in Canada insisted that food ingredients be identified on the label. No more! Now we read….’may contain foreign ingredients.’ The import law was quietly changed so there is no legal recourse. In Canada, too, I expect we’re consuming ‘halal’ and don’t even know it. Very perturbing!

  • enubus

    Welcome to Obozo World. The USDA is not labeling it by orders of the great poobah Obozo!

  • JP cline

    Here’s the real Liberal Trip : You pack one too many Chickens into a Coop and the Animal rights groups go ballistic , You make a Cow Stall 12 inches too small and they go Bananas , You Keep one too many Pigs in a pen and they declare War on you . Go Hunting to put Food on your table and you are a Barbarian and a Neanderthal …But if a Halal Butcher ties a cow or a Sheep to a pole and slices it’s throat and waits the 5 to 10 minutes it takes for the poor animal to die in extreme agony , and Pain they don’t say Doodly squat . Exactly Where the hell are these Loud Mouthed Leftist Dipsticks when you need them ?

    • pdxnag

      Would PETA take up the cause of human victims of ritual Jihad Slaughter funded by halal slaughter and its Zakat payments?

    • Joe Swanson

      Most of them are Vegan, and they protest and fight against ALL animal slaughter, including Halal. There are several good documentaries, videos, and speeches on the topic which include footage exposing Halal practices.

      • michaelofsydney

        Vegans support abortion.

        • Joe Swanson

          Not all vegans flat out support abortion. I, for one, only support abortion if the mothers life is in danger, if she was raped, or if the child is the product of incest. As far as I’m concerned, pretty much everybody knows where babies come from, so if you are not ready to be a parent, you know what you need to do ;)

          • michaelofsydney

            I still think you are a bit of an idiot anyway. But don’t worry, I put it down to a psychological deficiency.

    • Rob Porter

      The animal rights people, like feminists in regard to Islmam’s shabby treatment of females, are just cowards with selective concerns about animal rights.

  • conan_drum

    Wait a minute if it is not labelled as halal how do the Muslims know they can eat it? Unless of course we assume that all meat is halal

  • Toro Huaman

    There is no need to label halal meat as such. Everybody must do some concessions for coexistance with muslims, it’s a matter of agreements: You eat halal meat, they don’t blow up your supermarket, just an example

  • Susan

    I thought that halah meat is from animals that are killed in the most inhumane and horrific way and then the meat is blessed for satan by an iman. Are there no laws against cruelty to animals that should be coming into play here? How is it the muzzies always seem to be above the law.? The killing of animals in this way is how jihadist are trained to be killers without feelings.

  • Dr. Strangelove

    Here in the Midwest, Tyson is the biggest player. Somehow, I’m not seeing how these giant, highly automated, meat processing plants could adopt sharia practices into their facilities.

    • Mark Steiner

      For years meat processors have always looked at the bottom line (production) first, not the welfare of food animals. In 1962 the Hormel plant in Austin MN claimed it could slaughter 600 hogs in 40 minutes. That was 54 years ago – long before Halal became a household word.

      • Dorrie

        PERHAPS, but they didn’t TERRIFY the animal FIRST! BIG difference!

  • KimWilde

    Thank you Pamela ! Christians need to boycott any and all meat that is sacrificed to the pedofile and its devil boy.

  • pdxnag

    Demand it as a religions liberty issue. Can the Kafir – as a class of non-Muslims who are the target of Muslim religious slaughter everywhere – claim a religious liberty? Demand no more than symmetry between treatment of Muslim and non-Muslim. Atheism is recognized as a protected religious liberty.

    The halal slaughter requires payment of an Islamic payment/tax, Zakat, of which a portion must go toward jihad – mostly violent jihad. Be Anti-Worldwide-Isamic-Genocide. Look up the UN definition.

    Heck, all public employees – in this era of extreme pro-Jihad government – should be recognized as having a protected private religious liberty to be openly Counter-Jihad. (And put a halt all the pro-Jihad government action, that which establishes Islam as our official religion.)

  • Aaron

    Grow and Behold – kosher
    American Farmers Network – not halal

    You can work through these mail-order suppliers, or the specialty organic suppliers–but you still have to check (except for Grow and Behold). Mary’s organic chicken is halal, for example, but Deistel is not.

  • jeremy steering

    The whole issue of animal slaughter for meat is a contentious one, but it will always be with us whether we like it or not. However, labelling is crucial for consumers to make an informed choice in what they buy and eat.

    Sadly, labelling will never happen in multicultural, politically correct Britain because Muslims will never allow it and they almost always get their own way. The EU is a force for good in many ways, for example in animal welfare. First, this article:- “In a series of votes on food labelling this week, which also backed compulsory country-of-origin labelling on all meat, MEPs in the European parliament voted by 559 to 54 for compulsory labelling of the religious slaughter of meat without stunning. Religious slaughter is already banned in Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and Iceland.”

    But what does Britain do? “The British government opposed EU measures that would have required meat to carry labels confirming whether it came from animals that had been stunned before slaughter. The government declined to support the measures amid concerns from Muslim and Jewish groups that it was discriminatory.”

    Forget Jewish groups, for “concerns” read “furious Muslim protests”.

  • Dorrie

    There is a way to fight back. Take a black marking pen to the market and make a CROSS sign on every package of beef. (Anonymously of course)

    • Grinning Lackey

      Or a Star of David. Unfortunately this will not change the cruel way in which the animal was killed.

      • Dorrie

        That would be an excellent idea! And you’re right, it won’t because moslems are inbred to be evil. It’s who & what they are.

    • michaelofsydney

      Wow….what a smart thing. I really like that. Random hits…..or get stickers made….yeah you are definately onto something. After my fourth graffiti charge, I made a solemn promise to a Magistrate that I would never do graffiti again(anti uranium around 1981) and have kept my word. He was considering jailing me as a recalcitrant. Stickers are not graffiti. Hal al supports terrorism. Yeah….love it I have so wanted to do anti islam graffiti, but a promise is a promise

  • Michael Jacobs

    Sorry, this makes no sense to me. The USDA has nothing to do with Halal certification, or Kosher certification, or the lack thereof. In fact they cannot, constitutionally, get involved in deciding such issues. Halal, like Kosher, just means “permitted” (to be eaten, by the people whose religion requires them to have such permission). Lots of foods — fish, fruits and vegetables — are kosher for Jews to eat, without any label as such. Does that mean someone who hates Jews should avoid all fish with fins and scales, and never eat vegetables or fruit? I understand some people may not want to buy “certified” Halal products, to avoid paying money to support the Muslim-led private certifying organization that applied the label, but if there’s no label, I don’t see any problem. You’re not paying for what isn’t there. Just as with kosher slaughter — which adds extra cost to the production of packaged meat, and is reflected in its price to the consumer — if meat packers _were_ paying imams to perform Halal slaughter, which thereby costs the packer more than routine, assembly-line slaughter, they would surely want the potential consumers willing to pay that extra cost, to know about it.

    • Dorrie

      I agree with much of what you said, but Halal meat comes from animals that were purposely TERRIFIED before slaughter, in order to cause adrenaline to pour into the muscle of the meat. Muslims are addicted to adrenaline. The animal is also dedicated at that time to a FALSE GOD. Christians are PROHIBITED by God, to eat such meat that is sacrificed to a false god!

      ALL Halal meat should be marked as Halal BECAUSE of this!

      • Michael Jacobs

        Dorrie, even if you believe all that about Halal meat, it doesn’t say anything about _unlabeled_ meat. Without a label, that means nobody is being paid for certifying the meat as Halal, because there’s _no_ certification mark. So, I still don’t see Pamela’s point. Tip = if you want to avoid suspected, unlabeled Halal meat, just buy meat that is Kosher certified, and labeled as such. Problem solved. (Or, buy pork, if that floats your boat, which definitely isn’t Halal either).

      • Michael Jacobs

        From what Christian preachers have you heard that Allah is an “idol”? It’s just the word in the Arabic language for the one true “G-d.” Would you also avoid Kosher meat, since Kosher slaughter (“shekhting”) can only be performed by a rabbi with special training in the required techniques and laws (a “shokhet”) who, before performing that commandment (as with every other positive commandment about to be fulfilled), must recite a brucha (“blessing”) invoking the name of G-d (“HaShem” or “Adonai”) as well? It’s the same G-d as the one you believe is Jesus’ Father. If you would eat Kosher meat, I don’t see what the hubbub is about.

        • Dorrie

          Muslims think Allah is the one true “God,” but Mohammed chose that one from hundreds of other MOON gods. It is TOTALLY pagan and not even REMOTELY associated with the Creator of the universe.

          You seem to be MOROSELY ignorant about Islam – as well as Christianity and Judaism. Very sad.

          • Michael Jacobs

            Wow, is _that_ what people who want to keep Muslims out of America think? Thank you for the new information, but it is as fantastical and untrue as the even older libels against the Jewish people that accuse us of eating Christian children’s blood and poisoning the wells with Black Plague. I had to do some research to even find out what you were talking about. But, as far as the real facts, it’s true that many residents of the Arabian peninsula in Mohamed’s time were pagan. Yes, those pagans worshiped their many gods at the Ka’aba stone in Mecca. But there were also many Christians (the Byzantine empire? Remember Constantine?) and many Jews in Arabia at that time as well. Mohammed’s ideas largely sprung from both Christian and Jewish sources, and recognized the validity of all previous monotheistic “prophets” (from Adam to Jesus), but he turned violently against the Jews and Christians when they refused to recognized Mohammed as a prophet, too. Meanwhile, he had converted the pagans of Mecca to monotheistic Islam. Does that mean Islam has pagan roots? Sure, for the same reason Judaism has pagan roots — Abraham’s father, Terah, was an idol-maker in Mesopotamia, and young Abraham, after his realization of the one true G-d, smashed all the idols his father had made. Mohammed borrowed that story — and the descent from Abraham as well — and his version of the story had Abraham smashing the idols at the Ka’aba. And, how about all the pagans who became Christians? Do you deny that many of them brought elements of their beliefs and rituals into Christianity? If so, I doubt the depth of your exposure to the real history of Christianity — which in no way is intended as an aspersion, just a recognition of academically understood reality. Christmas trees? Sacred to the Teutons. Easter eggs and bunnies? Symbols of the Roman fertility goddess, Oestre, who is usually recognized as the same goddess the middle eastern pagans (and the Bible) called Astarte, or Ishtar. I could go on… but anyway, I feel it would not do any good, so all I can do is commend you to read more widely than the narrow, anti-Islam websites from which you seem to get all your info. Peace out.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Gee, why would anyone want to keep f’ing muslums out of their country?
            Gee why is it that the percentage of non-muslims in all your islamic cesspool states is in continuous decline Ali Al Arsetard?

            Gee, why is it that all your islamic cesspool states wallow in intolerant, fascist, apartheid, totalitarian excrement?

          • Michael Jacobs

            Also, the websites I just found describing the “mood god” theory of Allah seem to rely a lot on the name itself — Allah — as pre-existing Islam. Well of course. As I noted above, it’s just the Arabic word for “god.” We do the same thing in English — and in Hebrew, Latin, Greek, and most other languages. There are gods, and there is G-d. There are elohim (gods), and there is Elohim (the one, true G-d). Same word. Proves nothing. Otherwise, I’d have to accuse you of worshiping Zeus and Odin.

          • Michael Jacobs

            I’m not morose; I’m actually quite happy with my lot. Morose means “sad.” Perhaps you meant to write, “sadly mistaken?” I’ll assume you meant that, but the morosity or gloom of the opinion-holder is _not_ what is referred to in that phrase by the word “sadly.” No, it is the speaker’s _own_ (perhaps feigned) sadness at their antagonist’s ignorance that is being referred to. As in, “Sadly, you are mistaken.” Or, “You are, sadly, mistaken.” Amazing the shift of meaning a couple of dropped commas can cause.

          • Dorrie

            You’re HAPPY to have an I.Q. at room temperature? Good for you, little man! Because you know NOTHING about the beginnings of Islam! And NOW, you’re BLOCKED!

          • Mark Steiner

            One of 360 “gods” in Mecca – a real joke. All false, as you know.

          • Dorrie

            Yes, I do know. There is only one real God – the Creator of the universe.

        • IzlamIsTyranny

          No it isn’t. Just because you, your insane imams, asinine ayatrollahs and mad mullahs say it so (and not all of them do) doesn’t make it so. Just because an illiterate, child molesting, lying psychopath, Jew hater, mass murderer and bandit warlord said his was an Abrhamic faith doesn’t make it so Abdullah Al Hawsehole.

          • Dorrie

            I blocked him. He’s too ignorant to educate.

          • Michael Jacobs

            “MY” Imams? I’m Jewish. What gave you the impression I was Muslim? Oh, because I was trying to be fair? Well, the USDA does not get involved in certifying compliance with religious precepts, regardless of the religion. They leave that up to private organizations recognized as authoritative by a particular religion. If it doesn’t have a certifying mark by one of those organizations that meets “your” standards (whoever “you” the customer are), the savvy religious consumer won’t buy it. Sorry, Pamela’s argument on this point makes no sense to me. USDA doesn’t certify Halal, period. They don’t certify Kosher, period. They don’t certify vegetarian for the 7th Day Adventists, period. End of story.

      • Mark Steiner

        Maybe you have heard of Dr. Temple Grandin at Colorado State University in Fort Collins … she understood animals and how they should be rounded up before shipment in the most humane way possible – so the animals do not fear what comes later.

  • Mark Steiner

    This is not good. If you are Jewish and demand kosher, or non-Jewish and desire kosher meat, you still have the option of purchasing meat from a kosher butcher. Problem is not all cities have kosher butcher shops. Woe be tied if some regulator comes along in the future and demands the kosher meat no longer be labeled as such – then it is open season on where the stuff came from.

    • Government doesn’t label kosher meat. That can’t happen.

      • Mark Steiner

        It is true about the gov’t not labeling kosher meat. In fact if kosher meat is desired, a purchaser of such products should do his or her homework to determine an acceptable level of quality assurance with a local kosher meat market.

  • accipehoc2016

    isn’t halal the way muslims wish to be killed? oh it’s the food. personally i do not want meat that has been touched or labeled in any way by vermin. maybe we need a new type of “health department” to eliminate these pests.

  • Joe Swanson

    Don’t you think your time would be better spent trying to get GMOs labeled, or pressing for changes to how animals are routinely treated and slaughtered at factory farms and slaughter houses? No? You’d rather just throw a fit because meat slaughtered in accordance with muslim belief (which offers no additional health risk compared to meat slaughtered traditionally, unlike GMOs for instance that some studies show have a causal link with some cancers) isn’t labeled as “Halal”… got it… I mean, sure. I agree all food should be labelled for what it is. But there comes a time when you need to pick your battles. This one is a non-issue as far as I’m concerned. If “halal” products don’t offer any additional health risks to me and my family, I’m not overly concerned with it…

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      Halal products fund the spread of Pi$$lam.

    • michaelofsydney

      lots of work to do once Obama is gone. He passed the Monsanto Bill which ensures Monsanto can never be charged no matter what they do. You should be concerned over hal al mate…as you are supporting terrorism by buying it.It is a multi billion $ industry. Chocolate in Aus is certified hal al. FFS

      • Joe Swanson

        To be fair, I’m vegan, so I don’t buy halal (unless raw vegetables are now certified halal, lol).

  • Gabriel A. King

    Why kill and eat animals when there are plenty of Muslims to go around ?

    I like my Muslims burgers ground w/bacon, beer, whiskey sauce and Tabasco.

  • jeremy steering

    Apart from the obvious cruelty and savagery, add to that the superstitious absurdity always present in a backward religion from the Dark Ages – for lawful (halal) meat in Islam, the animal must be killed while the butcher faces Mecca, and either the butcher cries “Allah Akbar” or a tape plays the words over a loud speaker.

    It’s heartbreaking that humans are not the only beings to have those evil words as the last they hear in their time on Earth. Savages.

    • Dorrie

      They also TERRIFY the animal first, so the adrenaline courses into the muscles. Muslims are addicted to that adrenaline.

      • jeremy steering

        Disgusting, despicable savages. I am not religious, but surely any loving “God” who supposedly created ALL living beings would want all those beings to be treated equally with love and compassion? I am sure Christians, Buddhists, Hindus and others follow that doctrine. But Islam is all about MAN and the selfishness of those men, evident in their treatment not just of animals but of their own women. So full of hatred, violence and wickedness.

        • jmichael

          A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. Proverbs 12.10

  • Thinking From First Principles

    The only hope is in co-opting the liberal media by constantly stating “Halal slaughter is a RACIST practice.” Non-Muslims are discriminated against on the basis of their religion by halal producers. Only Muslims can be hired to do the slaughter. This is RACIST. Start posting comments on all of the producers websites and in the media outlets that halal is a RACIST racket no different than having Klan members only hire whites. [And yes, I get that Muslim is NOT a race but the press does not, so use the word the way that they do and put it right in their face. Muslim-only jobs are discriminatory].

  • InfidelCrusader

    I make a concerted effort to consume pork products thus negating any possibility that I am consuming halal items.

  • Catti

    I spent months of research into halal, halal marks (and the lack thereof) and the cruelty inherent in Halal slaughter methods. I was planning to build a website to help viewers find and boycott halal items and halal suppliers, I found that,as rotten to the core that Halal is (primarily because it’s a licensing system that funds terrorist groups) it’s also carefully and deliberately hidden from the public to avoid boycotts.

    One way to boycott these items is to educate yourself about what is halal vs. items that are haram (forbidden) and try to avoid anything that’s halal – marked or not. Adding a bit of alcohol to your recipes is a great way to turn halal into haram. There are also Islamic sites that will tell you which restaurant chains and businesses are halal.

    Of course the most surefire way to avoid halal foods is to give up all meats and dairy. That’s what I have chosen to do. Remember also that halal isn’t just food. Many turncoat cosmetic and personal care companies are also jumping on the flyblown goat-drawn halal bandwagon.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      Campbell’s soup is halal — don’t buy it. Subway Sandwiches offers halal products — don’t patronize them.

      • Catti

        I’m well aware of those, as are most who have seen the umpteen memes on Farcebook. There are literally thousands of pro-Islam organizations to boycott all over the world. That’s why I gave up on the website. To make it even more complex, halal marks differ by country, and there are different laws governing their use, or non-use. And there are many reasons to boycott besides halal- like preferential hiring and other practices.

  • jmichael

    Halal is just one more creepy way that Islam has devised to inject itself into our culture, with the ultimate goal of bringing us all into submission.

  • The Mormon Prepper

    Everytime you buy Halal meat, you are funding Jihad terrorism!!!!!!!!! #WhiteHouse #LawMakers please #LabelOurFood #WiseUp

  • karl59

    Congress has played a role in covering this up.

  • Howard Hyman

    Screw these camel humpers!

    Screw these camel humpers!

  • Howard Hyman

    I ONLY EAT KOSHER MEAT!!

    HALAL abuses animals.

  • Howard Hyman

    Kosher meat must be certified by LEGITIMATE and INDEPENDENT RABBINIC SOURCES. We answer to the HIGHEST AUTHORITY (G-d)!

    • Dorrie

      That is correct! And Kosher meat is butchered EXTREMELY humanely! I completely agree with you, Howard.

  • joe1429

    This makes me want to become a vegetarian. I had no idea. Especially butterball

  • Stephen

    I suppose people feel uncomfortable eating sacrificial meat in most cases; To a Moon Deity or any other for that matter. I just prefer my steaks medium rare without being concerned about extraneous nuances while I eat it. My main protest is this; Halal Certification requires a Muslim Council to inspect and certify Halal meat processes. That requires the company to PAY for that service. Payments are made to the Muslim Council. That money goes where????? It goes onward to “Charitable Organizations” and we all know since 9-11 what that means. So Mr. Infidel, the company also surcharges you for the cost of that Halal Certification as a cost of doing business whether you want it or need it or not. Therefore, You are “Donating” to Islamic Groups without knowing it and they are laughing at us because it effectively qualifies as a Jizya Tax upon non-believers just as Welfare, Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing Payments are made to them and their four wives whom they claim are their Cousins with children (And they actually are). Welfare is a Jizya Tax by Muslims upon conquered unbelievers for their upkeep. They have done this since the Seventh Century.

  • Jay Dillon

    I can still say I hate all practicing Moslems and Islam. This is just more grist for the mill. WE DONT WANT MOSLEMS IN OUR COUNTRY SO GET OUT.

  • LaurieAnnaT

    A Muslim blesses Allah and the animal is humanely killed. That’s it. That’s how meat becomes halal meat. Big whoop. As a Christian, I couldn’t care less about what words are said by anybody as my future Big Mac or McNugget is being processed.

  • If Muslims knew how the animals are slaughtered, even they would go Kosher!

  • Ephraim

    Why would you want the Obama administration to have oversight on labeling of ritually slaughtered meat? Kosher certification is privatized. There are close to 100 recognized agencies a manufacturer, butcher, or restaurant can choose from. The most prominent is http://www.ok.org

    Kosher slaughter is not about prayer, rather it’s about ensuring the meat is safe to eat, and that the animal did not suffer in the process. I have seen Halal certifications on food products. I’m not versed in Halal practices, but since the choice to eat Kosher or Halal is a religious one, and there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, I don’t believe that the USDA should have any role whatsoever in this area.

    As far as Kosher goes, because of the significant requirements in both raising the animals and their slaughter, you can be sure that if the meat is not clearly identified as Kosher, complete with the appropriate certification(s), then it isn’t.

    Ephraim

  • G Fresh

    The article reads: “Kosher meat is routinely marked accordingly; why not halal meat? ”
    Kosher meat must go through a certification process which they actually have to PAY for.

    http://www.soundvision.com/article/kosher-labeling-how-it-works

  • QuiCreva

    Halal slaughtering practices are cruel. I for one do not want to consume halal meat for that reason.

  • Harry

    “Abstain from meat sacrificed to idols” (Acts 15:29) That is my main issue with halal meat that it is prayed over to allah who is satan yet Mohammed used/attached to the Arab pagan moon god to make his new religion palatable to them. In addition halal requirements require that the animal must face Mecca, specifically the black cube that has the black rock idol enshrined in silver inside it that if they circle it 7 times and touch/kiss it. it will absolve them of all past sins. Not properly marking this product leaves the door open for my religious rights to be violated.

  • Sotiredofitall

    Just give me Tex-Mex, Lasagna, Pizza and Thai food and I’m Happy!!! Yippie!!!!

  • ebyjeeby

    Simple, eat Kosher meat. We went Kosher a few years ago, tastes better.

  • Toy Pupanbai

    Kosher products?

  • Ron Cole

    Since compromise is the word of the day then why do we not blend pork blood sausage with all hallal meats mixed with hog fecal matter for the criminal aliens?

    This should please and placate the snowed flaky millennial klatch, the muslim radical terrorist, the wh bath house closet hoes, the FingDA, loretta lynch, james comey**,
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cef71987bfa3ffeeccfcfbe92f2075024ee7fa6396be7bf4040c13cebd8cc5fc.jpg if not the wh bath house iranian imam in charge valkyrie* jarr&tits.

    * In Norse mythology, a valkyrie is from Old Norse valkyrja “chooser of the slain” is one of a host of female figures who choose those who may die in battle and those
    who may live.

    It also chooses who or, in $hrillest/huma’s case, what will be forgiven and pardoned.

    ** james comey:
    valkyrie* jarr&tits under the direction of ÞЯesident hassan ѓøuhani of iran Erected the former F&BI head to Pope JC the 69th our Forgiveness and Pardoning Prelate.
    It will reside in the wh bath house hoe closet.

    Watch for three big puffs of pinko gasses (not environmentally unfriendly).

  • g kelly

    Actually, most kosher meat also meets halal requirements. That may be one reason it is not labelled as halal.

  • Pat Bridges

    (KJV) (1 Corinthians 10:1-33) “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; {2} And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; {3} And did all eat the same spiritual meat; {4} And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. {5} But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. {6} Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. {7} Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. {8} Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. {9} Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. {10} Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. {11} Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. {12} Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. {13} There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. {14} Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. {15} I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. {16} The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? {17} For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. {18} Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? {19} What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? {20} But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. {21} Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils. {22} Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? {23} All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. {24} Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s wealth. {25} Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: {26} For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof. {27} If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. {28} But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof: {29} Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man’s conscience? {30} For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? {31} Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. {32} Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: {33} Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.”

  • christian vidal

    Ban all muzzies from the US shut down all mosques for ever. Don’t forget

    when the twin towers collapsed 1 billion of their kind were dancing and chanting in

    the streets worldwide. They are our deadliest enemies since the inception. Their only

    goal is the erasement of the western and jewish civilizations.

  • dad1927

    Let them know you ask God to bless it.. That breaks the curse on it

  • Ben Cope

    You guys are absolutely insane… all halal means is that the meat is killed by cutting the throat of the animal.. if you’ve ever met any farmers, especially family owned Local farmers.. this is the preferred method! If anything they should label meats “commercially executed” or “hulled with pneumatic bolt” cutting the theist is superior for humane death as well as meat quality as if the animal is bled in the blood doesn’t putrify in their corpse… your petty/mindless bigotry and ignorance is showing! Morons. Halal also is not blessed in any special way.. just to be more clear.. it is a method of slaughter preferred by most farmers..

  • Sam Rinne Hooker

    For those who think “well, it’s just a religious issue.” Yeah, no. Not only does it fund Islamic terrorism using the unknowing public, but it is incredibly cruel and sadistic.

    http://www.peta.org/blog/cruelty-behind-muslim-ritual-slaughter/

    Even PETA, a leftist group, finds it so bad they have to oppose it.

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