Geller: Lamar Advertising Runs Libelous Anti-Israel Billboards, Refuses AFDI Pro-Freedom Billboards

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What an utter disgrace. Read my latest at Breitbart News here.

Contact Lamar’s Kevin Reilly, Jr., President and Chairman of the Board here.

UPDATE: Outfront Media USA is also running this blood-libel. Contact Mr. Male ask that he take down these ads.

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Geller: Lamar Advertising Runs Libelous Anti-Israel Billboards, Refuses AFDI Pro-Freedom Billboards

I recently learned of an anti-Israel billboard in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania from a friend who drove past it on route 83 west, just past the 19th street exit for Harrisburg.

She said it is a digital billboard and she was confused when she first saw it, because it shows U.S. soldiers lying in hospital beds. The wording was “Help the USS Liberty Survivors Attacked by Israel.” I talked to another friend at work who saw it also. She said she was very disturbed when she saw it.

My friend who saw the billboard called me and asked me if I had heard of Israel attacking our ships. I had not heard anything about this, so I did some research and found out that this incident happened on June 8, 1967. It was an accident, which I am sure you already fully aware of, but to the people who travel the highway and see that sign, unless they have any knowledge of this accident which happened almost 49 years ago, they would think it just happened.

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This billboard is an outright blatant attempt to mislead anybody without a half of a brain or a lick of sense. They will take it as recent activity and it will influence them in their views of Israel.

It is pure anti-Israel propaganda.

The company that leases the billboards is Lamar.

This ad is running on billboards owned by the national billboard company, Lamar Advertising – which repeatedly turned down my American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) pro-freedom ads. And it isn’t just Lamar, either. It also ran on billboards owned by Outfront Media (formerly CBS Outdoor), Grace, and Barrett – all the major billboard companies in the United States.

Nor is this vicious ad running just in Pennsylvania: the same billboard ran for the entire month of August 2014 in Charlotte, North Carolina on I-77, just north of Tyvola Road. It also ran last year in San Diego on I-15 for southbound traffic near the Mission Road exit. It has also run in New Haven, Connecticut, as well as Massachusetts.

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) points to Alison Weir, who is involved in sister anti-Semitic organizations If Americans Knew and the Council for the National Interest, as being behind this ad. A GoFundMe page for contributions to this particular billboard campaign was set up in Weir’s name.

Weir is infamous for her hatred: according to the Tablet, Weir has earned “remarkable wall-to-wall opprobrium by promoting anti-Semitic myths, working with white supremacists, and publishing anti-Jewish content on IAK’s web site.” Yet despite this hatred (or maybe because of it), Weir has gained mainstream acceptance: her profile at the Council for the National Interest website said (cached here, before it was abruptly and without explanation taken down last week) that she “in 2004 was inducted into honorary membership of Phi Alpha Literary Society, founded in 1845 at Illinois College. The award cited her as a ‘Courageous journalist-lecturer on behalf of human rights. The first woman to receive an honorary membership in Phi Alpha history.’”

The ad says that it was “paid for by www.honorlibertyvets.org,” which aggressively promotes the discredited conspiracy theory that Israel intentionally sank the USS Liberty warship in 1967. In reality, the sinking of the ship has been thoroughly investigated by the U.S. government and deemed an accident.

In contrast to the national rollout of this ad, truth-tellers are blacklisted, blocked, censored from running facts. Every major city has enacted what I call the Geller Law – after we won every lawsuit against cities that were refusing to run our ads, one after another they prohibited political and cause-related ads, solely in order to prohibit my ads from running. The fact that they never had any intention of enforcing their prohibition consistently is illustrated by the fact that ads such as this anti-Israel one still run, while mine cannot. My ads telling the truth about the jihad threat are forbidden, while this libel — this blood libel — is sanctioned, assaulting highway drivers with vicious anti-Semitism.

Lamar is not the only company running this ad, but their double standard in rejecting our AFDI ads and running this blood libel is particularly egregious.

This is the war on truth. George Orwell said: “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” The fact that billboard companies are running this ad is just another indication of how far our society is drifting from its moorings.

Pamela Geller is the President of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), publisher of PamelaGeller.com and author of The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America and Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance. Follow her on Twitter here. Like her on Facebook here.

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soundclick.com/globalfirm
soundclick.com/globalfirm
7 years ago

The problem with the law codes of the USA, CAN or EU is that the whole of Muhammad’s sadist, theist & anti Afro law codes is embedded in their constitutions via the religious freedom clause.
We need to to organize a certified global reevaluation of the law code & create a global constitution based on global human rights, global ecology, global freedom & global identity, global English, condemning of Muhammad & banning of Muhammadism, cultivation of accessible ecological best quality basics, support for creativity, automization & voluntaryzation of work & a stop to Muhammadist immigration.

Wayne Ville
Wayne Ville
7 years ago

As long as anyone continues to vote for the same lifelong establishment politicians a different outcome will never happen. Vote against the establishment. Vote Trump 2016.

imwithstoopid
imwithstoopid
7 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Ville

OK, but remember that at the last election we elected many Republicans to replace many Democrats, and look what happened.
So just how do we know who’s a real Republican, not GOP-e?

Mahou Shoujo
Mahou Shoujo
7 years ago

Every fool has their say, it is up to the decent to have fools recognized as such.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago

The antisemitic retards and their muslum masters like to ignore the USS Stark and USS Cole — both attacked by muslums.
Israel paid out reparations to all the crew of the USS Liberty — a ship that sailed right into the war zone of the Six Day War. What kinda retard sails his ship into the middle of a war zone?

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

“The antisemitic retards and their muslum masters like to ignore the USS Stark and USS Cole — both attacked by muslums.”

And both attacks have been investigated by the US Government. The attack on the USS Liberty has not been.

“Israel paid out reparations to all the crew of the USS Liberty”

Our activities over the past 49 years have been aimed at persuading the US government to finally conduct an investigation of the attack. It has never been nor will it ever be a question of money. Sadly our efforts have not proven fruitful.

“– a ship that sailed right into the war zone of the Six Day War. What kinda retard sails his ship into the middle of a war zone?”

In fact the area had never been declared to be a war zone by any of the participants.

That said, Capt. McGonagle recognized the potential danger and asked the Sixth Fleet for a destroyer escort. That request was denied telling us that we were a freshly painted US Navy ship displaying standard US Navy markings and should not be in any danger — but if we need help it was only minutes away.

Joe Meadors
USS Liberty Survivor
Director of Operations, USS Liberty Veterans Association

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Neither Korea or Vietnam were declared wars. The Six Day War was, in fact, ongoing when the USS Liberty, UNANNOUNCED sailed into Israeli territorial waters, regardless of whether or not anyone “declared” a war or not. Why don’t you get back to blowing ur muslum masters along w/your favorite corrupt senators and reps in the District of Criminals?

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

You’re right. We arrived on station on the 4th day of the Six Day War but we were nowhere near Israeli territorial waters.

Even if we were well inside Israeli territorial waters that does not invest the IDF with the right to commit war crimes during their attack on the USS Liberty nor does it invest the US government with the right to allow those war crimes to be committed with impunity and without remorse.

Quite the contrary, Article 99 of the UCMJ requires the Department of Defense to investigate all alleged violations of the laws of war whether committed by or against the United States.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

FU muslum collaborating scum.

Blankety-Blank
Blankety-Blank
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Alleging that the Liberty shooting was a war crime is absurd. There is a world of difference between an accident and a crime, war or otherwise. It’s been known for a long while that Israeli intelligence had been informed of an Egyptian cargo vessel sneaking along the coast with nefarious intent – I no longer remember the details – and the IDF was kind of busy, outnumbered as they have always been. Since they knew the ship was not theirs, and since nobody in his right mind moves vessels into an area where active shooting is going on – think about tankers refusing to ply the straits of Tiran in circumstances far less threatening – and since they misidentified it based on their intelligence threat, the attack is understandable, even as regrettable as it was. The US really botched it by trying to sneak the Liberty in to spy on Israel without notifying her. Perhaps the US should be accused of a war crime in this case because of their sly ineptitude?

I was stationed with a guy who survived the Liberty. He was no fan of Israel, understandably enough, but he also was big enough to admit that they were skulking around where they didn’t belong.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  Blankety-Blank

“Alleging that the Liberty shooting was a war crime is absurd.”

It is not my characterization but one first made by an expert in international law in an article that appeared in the Winter, 1986 issue of Naval Law Review.

To paraphrase what he said: the use of unmarked aircraft, the jamming of our radios on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies, the deliberate machine gunning of life rafts in the water and the refusal to offer aid immediately upon cessation of hostilities can legitimately be described as “Grave Breeches” of the 4th Geneva Convention of which both the US and Israel are signatories.

Hence in his opinion, War Crimes.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  Blankety-Blank

“Perhaps the US should be accused of a war crime in this case because of their sly ineptitude?”

Indeed they have been.

Two flights of rescue aircraft that had been dispatched from Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers were ordered recalled by the White House prior to their arrival over the Liberty and while we were still under attack and calling for help.

That is a violation of Article 99 of the UCMJ which makes it a capital offense to refuse to come to the aid of a military unit under attack.

Then there’s the DoD Law of War Program which mandates the DoD “to investigate all allegations of violations of the laws of war whether committed by or against the United States.”

We filed a War Crimes Report with the DoD on June 8, 2005 and to date they have refused to investigate the allegations contained in that report.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  Blankety-Blank

“he also was big enough to admit that they were skulking around where they didn’t belong.”

Even if he was correct we were where we were ordered to be so the fault is not ours so we shouldn’t be the ones to pay the price.

That said, even if we were tied to a pier in Haifa that doesn’t invest the IDF with the right to conduct the attack using the tactics they used.

My problem is not with the fact of the attack but with the way it was conducted, the response of the Sixth Fleet, the continuing cover-up of the attack by the US government and in the way USS Liberty survivors have been and are being treated by the US government.

salubrius
salubrius
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

An order from Naval Command to the USS Liberty telling them to stay away was routed through South America and arrived too late to do any good.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  salubrius

Forgive me for nitpicking but the message was misrouted to the Philippines.

That raises the unasked question of why didn’t they just pick up a phone and issue the order that way or at least confirm we had received it?

We know that DoD had voice communications with the Sixth Fleet since RADM Geis called the White House to ask for voice confirmation of the order to recall the flights of rescue aircraft that had been launched to come to our assistance. The White House confirmed the order and the aircraft were recalled while we were still under attack and calling for help.

Of course this issue would have been addressed and resolved had the US government conducted an investigation of the attack on our ship.

But they didn’t.

Blankety-Blank
Blankety-Blank
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Sorry to correct your correction, but the US DID investigate and concluded that the attack was a mistake and not a deliberate targeting.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  Blankety-Blank

“Sorry to correct your correction, but the US DID investigate and concluded that the attack was a mistake and not a deliberate targeting.”

That IS excellent news. Wonder what got into them to investigate the attack after all these years.

Which of my shipmates testified?

Have you read the complete investigation including the evidence and testimony as well as the findings?

joe1429
joe1429
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

They must be related to the libtards runnin the EU…lol

Larenzo1
Larenzo1
7 years ago

Claa and contact other advertisers on this medium and tell them we will boycott if they advertise with these parasites.

pogee
pogee
7 years ago

FYI, here’s what we’ve written, which everyone is welcome to use:

Sirs/Madams:
Your multiple billboard ads, “Help the USS Liberty survivors attacked by Israel,” border on libel, and could be subject to litigation, which would clearly include you in any suit brought against its originator. 1. This incident occurred 49 years ago. Any implied claim that it is recent can easily be construed as fraudulent misrepresentation. 2. It occurred during a time of a declared war between Israel and Egypt, where the commander of the Liberty was derelict in his obligation not to be in that war zone. 3. The US thoroughly investigated, and found the incident to be an accident. 4. There is no documented proof that any survivors of that unfortunate incident are alive today or, even if any are, that any need any assistance. 5. It appears to be widely known that the originator of these billboard ads is and/or has been, on information and belief, engaged in numerous anti-Semitic organizations and activities. In conclusion: we believe your bottom line would be better served by immediately withdrawing these scandalous ads, so as to protect your company from costly, protracted, and public litigation.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

“The US thoroughly investigated, and found the incident to be an accident.”

This is absolutely false. The US government has never conducted an investigation of the attack on our ship. You can confirm that for yourself by filing an FOIA request and ask the various US government agencies to provide to you a copy of their investigation of the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. They will not be able to provide you any semblance of what even remotely can be described as an investigation of the attack on the USS Liberty. A service I have been using is MuckRock at http://www.muckrock.com.

“There is no documented proof that any survivors of that unfortunate incident are alive today or, even if any are, that any need any assistance.

I invite you to attend our next reunion in June, 2017 during the 50th anniversary of the attack. You’ll be able to visit with many USS Liberty survivors.

The assistance we are looking for is help in persuading the US government to finally conduct an investigation of the attack. We’ve been asking for decades without any success.

Joe Meadors
USS Liberty Survivor
Director of Operations, USS Liberty Veterans Association

pogee
pogee
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Here’s an authoritative report from this web site: *http://www.sixdaywar.org/uss-liberty.asp *. Although you and others believe differently, that does not change the fact that there are legitimate disagreements about this matter…as there are about so many other things. Nonetheless, speaking for myself, I am clearly sorry about the loss of life and tragedy that has befallen involved families. My father died in April 1945, shortly before WWII ended, and I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks in a single-parent family surrounded by overwhelming grief. So, I can sympathize! I also proudly served our country from 1965 to 1969 (in Korea from April 66 to June 67), and had a friend return in a body bag. So, after all is said and done, I offer my sincerest apologies. *Nonetheless,
these billboards, in my opinion, are clearly designed to sway public opinion against Israel—49 years after the incident—which to me represents a blatant attempt to hold Israel to a different standard from any other country—including, and perhaps especially, the United States*. Such a deviation from accepted standards would clearly fall under both the US and UN definitions of anti-Semitism.

“The USS Liberty, a US intelligence gathering ship, was steaming more than 10 miles off the coast of El Arish on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six Day War, when at around 2 P.M. Israeli jets, responding to reports of shelling from the sea, attacked with cannon and napalm. Soon afterwards Israeli torpedo boats arrived at the scene and also attacked after first being fired upon by the Liberty. The Israeli seamen later explained they mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quesir, but when they realized their target was a US ship, they ceased firing and offered assistance. Tragically, thirty-four US personnel were killed in the attack, and another 171 were wounded. Adding to the tragedy is that the Liberty should not have been there at all – with war already underway, it had been ordered by US commanders to stay 100 miles away from the coast. But a series of mistakes by communications personnel delayed the message from reaching the ship until after the attack.

The Israelis have always maintained that the attack on the Liberty was a tragic mistake, caused by the fog of war. They immediately apologized for the attack and later paid compensation to the families. But certain crewmen of the Liberty have charged that Israel deliberately and knowingly attacked the US ship, and have advanced increasingly complicated and even bizarre theories to explain Israel’s alleged motivation for such an act. In addition, author James Bamford has cited similarly baseless and contradictory theories in his two books on the National Security Agency (the actual intelligence gathering by the Liberty was the responsibility of NSA personnel).

Some Liberty crewmen and likeminded conspiracists have also charged that the US government, including the Congress, has failed to investigate the attack on the Liberty. In fact, contrary to these claims, there have been at least six government investigations which reached relevant conclusions as to the facts of the attack. Those investigations, and their results, are as follows:
*Report* *Date issued* *Conclusion*
C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional

The last investigation was spurred by White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, who, after meeting with Liberty veterans, referred them to Representative Nick Mavroules, chairman of the Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Armed Services Committee. After a one year investigation the matter was closed, the investigators evidently finding nothing to support conspiracy claims or any Israeli intentions to attack a US ship. (*The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship *, by Judge A. Jay Cristol, Potomac)

*Claims by certain USS Liberty crewmen vs. their sworn testimony*

It is instructive to compare some of the claims by conspiracists, including some of the crewmembers, with sworn testimony by those same crewmembers.
• For example, crewmember Lloyd Painter claimed in a History Channel documentary that he saw “unmarked jets, no markings whatsoever” pass over the ship, thus clearly implying that the attack was intentional and premeditated. Painter’s claim contradicts his sworn testimony before the U.S. Navy’s Court of Inquiry, in which he makes no such assertion. Lt. Painter testified, under oath, that as the jets first strafed the ship (which would be before they passed over the ship) he was:

… looking through the porthole at the gun mounts. I was looking through the porthole when I was trying to contact these two kids, and I saw them both; well, I didn’t exactly see them as such. They were blown apart, but I saw the whole area go up in smoke and shattered metal. And, at about the same time the aircraft strafed the bridge area itself. The quartermaster, quartermaster third class Pollard was standing right next to me, and he was hit, evidently with flying glass from the porthole… we both hit the deck, as well as Mr. O’Malley, who was my JOOD at the time. As soon as the first strafing raid had been made, we sounded general quarters alarm. The captain was on the bridge. He was in the pilot house at this time. I don’t know whether he was hit then or not, I can’t remember. It was so smokey. I took off for my general quarters station, which as I said before, was repair three on the mess decks. On the way down I was running as fast as I could. (Testimony of LTJG Lloyd C. Painter, June 14, 1967)

Thus, according to Lt. Painter’s sworn testimony he was looking at the Liberty’s gun mounts as the jets attacked, at which point he quite understandably “hit the deck.” When the first strafing run was over, Lt. Painter ran as fast as he could to his station below decks; he was therefore in no position to determine whether the attacking jets were marked or unmarked. At no point in his testimony did he claim that the jets were unmarked or even that he was in a position to tell.

Contrary to Lt. Painter’s claim that the attacking jets were “unmarked,” Signalman Russell David testified that he saw Israeli insignia on the attacking jets and reported this to the Captain. Most conspiracy theorists have ignored David’s testimony.

• Conspiracy theorists have also ignored Captain McGonagle’s sworn testimony that the attacking torpedo boats were flying Israeli flags:

When the boats reached an approximate range of 2,000 yards, the center boat of the formation was signaling to us. Also, at this range, it appeared that they were flying an Israeli flag. This was later verified. It was not possible to read the signals from the center torpedo boat because of the intermittent blocking of view by smoke and flames. At this time I yelled to machine gun 51 to tell him to hold fire. I realized that there was a possibility of the *aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error*. (Sworn testimony of Cdr. William L. McGonagle, June 14, 1967; emphasis added)

• Claims have been made by Mr. Painter that Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned Liberty life rafts that had been placed in the water, which if true could be a violation of the laws of war:

PAINTER: I climbed the ladder and opened the hatch and looked out to the sea, and what I saw was the Israeli torpedo boats machine gunning our life rafts in the water as they floated behind our ship.

But once again Mr. Painter contradicts both his own sworn testimony before the Court of Inquiry, and that of his Captain. The Court’s opening question to Lt. Painter, after name, rank and organization, was:

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

“Here’s an authoritative report”

Authoritative by whose standard? Certainly not by the USS Liberty survivors.

“Although you and others believe differently”

Me and others meaning every USS Liberty survivor.

“there are legitimate disagreements about this matter”

There may be areas of disagreement but I submit that there can be no disagreement when it comes to the fact that we were attacked by unmarked aircraft, that our radios were jammed on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies, that life rafts we had dropped over the side in anticipation of abandoning ship were deliberately machine gunned by the attacking torpedo boats, that the motor torpedo boats slowly circled the torpedoed and burning ship while firing from very close range at USS Liberty crewmen who either ventured topside to assist our wounded shipmates or who were trapped topside, and that the attacking torpedo boats refused to offer aid immediately upon cessation of hostilities as is required by international law.

Or of the fact that two flights of rescue aircraft that had been launched from Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers were recalled while we were still under attack and calling for help.

“*Nonetheless, these billboards, in my opinion, are clearly designed to sway public opinion against Israel—49 years after the incident—which to me represents a blatant attempt to hold Israel to a different standard from any other country—including, and perhaps especially, the United States*.”

Some may argue that Israel HAS been held to a different standard where their attack on the USS Liberty is concerned. When they attacked the USS Liberty the US government allowed them to commit War Crimes during the attack with impunity and without remorse. I know of no other incident where the bar was set as low.

If the USS Liberty is available to be used to sway public opinion against Israel, you’ll have to look to someone else to blame instead of the USS Liberty survivors.

Remember, should the USS Liberty attack be used in a way you describe it is being done so using the blood of our fallen shipmates and the suffering of their families. I respectfully submit that your best course of action would be to support our effort to ensure the attack is finally accorded the complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation that routinely follows attacks such as this but for some reason has been denied the attack on the USS Liberty.

“Such a deviation from accepted standards would clearly fall under both the US and UN definitions of anti-Semitism.”

For God’s Sake Call The Police!

I replied in a previous post to the alleged myriad US government investigations of the attack on the USS Liberty so I will paraphrase here:

None of the reports referenced are the result of an investigation of the attack on our ship and one doesn’t even exist.

I notice your failure to provide any evidence or testimony from USS Liberty survivors to support your position opting instead to reference items from someone who wasn’t there and who wrote a book about the USS Liberty Incident without interviewing a single USS Liberty survivor.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

I’m disinclined to believe anything a f’ing muslum sympathizer/apologist/collaborator writes about anything.
Or R U a muslum convert?
The next Freedom Flotilla you take to Gaza on behalf of the f’ing paleswine? I hope you make a good sight picture for an IDF soldier.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Unlike those who find themselves seated at the other side of the table, nobody on this side is asking anyone to believe a word I am saying.

I am merely participating in a discussion of the attack on the USS Liberty by relating a version that has been researched by USS Liberty survivors — my shipmates — for almost 49 years.

What I hope that happens is that if this discussion tweaks the curiousity of anyone who reads this to do their own research and make up their own mind. Ask questions of the USS Liberty survivors as well as those participants in the IDF. Compare the accounts with the other evidence you gather. I’m using the Merriam-Webster definition of “evidence”, to wit “something that furnishes proof:testimony; specifically: something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter” which rules out opinions.

Get a copy of each of the dozen or so US government investigations of the attack on the USS Liberty that are alleged to exist. At least try to.

Once you determine that they do not exist take those who claim they do to task to explain why they are still spreading the myth of the 13 US government investigations of the attack.

Finally, bring whatever pressure you can on Congress to convince them that an attack on a US Navy ship warrants a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation.

pogee
pogee
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Note, if you will, that the USS Liberty entered a war zone on the fourth day of the Six-Day War. Not the first, second, or third. * Thus, it was entirely clear that the ship’s commander was with knowledge aforethought engaging in signals intercept and related spying activities that could have had a most detrimental effect on Israel, which was defending itself against armies from several hostile countries simultaneously. * In fact, it has been documented that your ship’s commander had been “ordered by US commanders to stay 100 miles away from the coast.” * Keep in mind, also, that the Israeli torpedo boats did NOT fire upon the USS Liberty until AFTER being fired upon. * Moreover, although you have every right to disagree with the account I have provided, it in fact notes that there were SIX SEPARATE accounts by official US boards of inquiries, NONE of which found any reason to believe that the attack by Israel was deliberate. As noted in a previous post, they are:

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 No malice; attack a mistake

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 Mistaken identity

Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 No evidence ship was known to be American

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 No merit to claims attack was intentional

National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity

House Armed Services Committee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional

With regard to your implying that either I or all these reports are wrong because they do not include any firsthand accounts from survivors, I would note that: a) typically firsthand accounts in the heat of battle are generally considered to be inaccurate, inconclusive, and colored by the emotional aspects of the moment; and b) authoritative histories of events are always written by dispassionate and objective researchers from a distance of time and space, based on recorded events. Following your train of logic, John Wilkes Booth have been the only person capable of writing an authoritative history about his assassination of Lincoln because he was the only firsthand witness to the event. Really?

Lastly, again I express deepest sympathy to you and every survivor and family of this tragic event. But, again, I caution that the very act of publicly blaming Israel in the face of at best conflicting reports, 49 years after the fact, can most certainly appear to many to be anti-Semitic. I would urge you to consider your approach to this issue, which is likely at best to be counterproductive in the long run.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

The f’ing A$$hole Joe Meadors is a muslum collaborator, he has taken part in all of the various Gaza “Freedom flotillas”.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

“Keep in mind, also, that the Israeli torpedo boats did NOT fire upon the USS Liberty until AFTER being fired upon.”

After a half hour intensive air attack during which time every gun and antenna mount was struck by rockets — some multiple times and during which time napalm bombs were dropped onto the ship in an obvious attempt to drive USS Liberty crewmen below decks and while some USS Liberty crewmen were trapped topside where they kept a very close watch on the unmarked aircraft, three Israeli torpedo boats arrive.

Assuming this was a continuation of the attack Dale Larkin opens fire from Mount 51 with the .50 caliber. He got one shot off and his gun jammed.

Not a single shot was fired from the USS Liberty after that single bullet was fired from Mount 51.

“Moreover, although you have every right to disagree with the account I have provided, it in fact notes that there were SIX SEPARATE accounts by official US boards of inquiries, NONE of which found any reason to believe that the attack by Israel was deliberate.”

You are obviously mis-informed as to the nature and scope of the reports you provide the titles of. Indeed, you are also mis-informed as to the very existence of one of them.

If you will bother to actually obtain a copy of them and actually read them you will learn that some only mention the USS Liberty in passing and none of them (of the ones that actually exist) was prepared as a result of an investigation of the attack on the USS Liberty or of the intent of the forces who attacked our ship.

Those reports could have concluded that the Moon was made out of blue cheese and have just as much support in the evidence and testimony that support those reports (if there is any) as the one claiming that they knew the intent of the attackers.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

You sailed into the middle of a war zone, unannounced, and you want me to cry for you?
UR the f’ing asshole that joined the muzzies in their Gaza Flotilla aren’t you? It’s too bad the IDF didn’t put a bullet thru your head.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Cry for us?

No.

We just want to be treated exactly the same as the attacks on the USS Pueblo, USS Stark, USS Cole and the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut.

We want to have the US government conduct a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation of the attack on our ship. Of course, after almost 49 years that investigation would not be complete without addressing the issue of why has it taken 49 years (so far) to conduct an investigation of an attack on a US Navy ship.

Since virtually every Member of Congress has placed their tacit stamp of approval on the deliberate machine gunning of our life rafts in the water as well as other war crimes committed during the attack I strongly suspect that fact plays a large part in their refusal to conduct just such an investigation. I further suspect that most Americans (save some participating in this discussion) would not look kindly to learning that about their Congresspersons. Especially given the current climate of honoring American veterans.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Unlike ANY of the sailors on the USS Cole or USS Stark Israel compensated the victims of the attack.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

It wasn’t just Egypt. Syria, Iraq and “moderate” Jordan also invaded Israel. But like muslums everywhere they couldn’t get their sh!t together and their attacks were almost entirely uncoordinated.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago

Is it only me or have others noticed that when people like Ms. Geller and her ilk write an article about the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on our ship one thing they refuse to do is to ask us for our account of the attack.

They opt instead to repeat the lies of those are the de facto spokespersons for the forces who attacked our ship. The article above is a prime example.

Had they bothered to ask us they would have learned that we were attacked by unmarked aircraft, that our radios were jammed on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies, that life rafts we had dropped over the side in anticipation of abandoning ship were deliberately machine gunned by the attacking torpedo boats, that the motor torpedo boats slowly circled the torpedoed and burning ship while firing from very close range at USS Liberty crewmen who either ventured topside to assist our wounded shipmates or who were trapped topside, and that the attacking torpedo boats refused to offer aid immediately upon cessation of hostilities as is required by international law.

They would also learn that despite the despirate pleadings of those who would have you believe that the US government has conducted a myriad of investigations of the attack on the USS Liberty the US government has never conducted such an investigation.

To address the issue of the billboards, they are neither anti-Israel nor libelous. They are simply asking people to “Help the USS Liberty Survivors Attacked by Israel.” Where is the libel and how are they “anti-Israel”?

Joe Meadors
USS Liberty Survivor
Director of Operations, USS Liberty Veterans Association

pogee
pogee
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Sir, see my reply to your comment below. What some people cannot understand is why this has suddenly become a public issue 49 years after the fact. Or, as another poster has asked, “Why not discuss the Marine Barracks incident in Lebanon or USS Cole, Boston Marathon, etc. I personally can’t get enough of the Twin Towers attack in New York City. In fact, why not a billboard display asking to help the families of the USS Cole sailors whose ship was attacked by arabs from Yemen? Or the families of the Marines attacked by arabs in Lebanon?” You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but then others are entitled to believe that your pain, while real and unaddressed, represents an attempt to indict Israel in a way that I and others would consider, at this time, to border on, or in fact be, anti-Semitic.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

You are, of course, entitled to characterize our effort anyway you see fit that makes you feel comfortable. It does not detract from nor diminish the truth of what we are telling nor will it deter us in the slightest from our effort to ensure the US government conducts a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation of the attack on our ship.

The subject of the USS Liberty attack and ongoing cover-up has not recently found itself in the public arena. The USS Liberty Veterans Association was incorporated in 1982 during the first reunion of USS Liberty survivors, our families and the families of 34 of our shipmates that were killed during the attack on our ship.

As an organization we have been telling our story publicly whenever we could since then. Some have been reserching and publicly talking about the attack on our ship for considerably longer than that.

I may have read your comment incorrectly but I suspect that your concern is not that our story has recently gotten the traction it deserves in the public arena but that it has established any traction at all.

The attacks you mention are truly worthy of being included on a billboard similar to the one asking people to “Support USS Liberty Survivors Attacked by Israel” and I fully support your effort to likewise honor those victims should you pursue establishing a billboard.

The difference between those attacks and the one our ship was subjected to is the fact that those have been investigated by the US government while the attack on the USS Liberty has never been investigated by the US government.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

You’re a liar, but that’s par for the course w/a muslum collaborator.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  pogee

Don’t forget the USS Stark, nailed by an Iraqi exocet missile. Or the muslum who fragged members of his own platoon in the 101st Airborne. Or the muslum who shot-up Ft. Hood. Or 9-11.

John Rogers
John Rogers
7 years ago

There were inquiries by both the US government and Israeli government after the USS Liberty tragedy. The information is all over the internet. Israel failed to enquire fron the US information of any of its ships in the area in a timely manner. Period. Only anti-semites, which includes moslems, keep bringing up this unfortunate occurrence. Why not dicuss the Marine Barracks incident in Lebanon or USS Cole, Boston Marathon, etc. I personally can’t get enough of the Twin Towers attack in New York City. In fact, why not a billboard display asking to help the families of the USS Cole sailors whose ship was attacked by arabs from Yemen? Or the families of the Marines attacked by arabs in Lebanon? The billboard companies would have a much harder time fighting that because they started the precedent.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  John Rogers

Why is it Israel’s responsibility to vet a ship sailing into its territorial waters unannounced in the middle of a f’ing war? The f’ing muslums were trying to invade Israel w/the stated intent (by Nasser) to “push the Jews into the sea.”

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

We weren’t even close to Israeli territorial waters.

That said, the IDF did have a responsibility to properly identify any ship prior to their attacking it to ensure the safety of every 40-year-old, rusted out, black hulled tramp steamer in the area.

As it happened, the freshly painted, clearly marked USS Liberty is the only 40-year-old, rusted out, black hulled tramp steamer that ran afoul of what apparently was a totally inept flotilla of IDF torpedo boats that had the USS Liberty tracked on radar doing 32 knots at a distance of 32 miles on a radar that had a maximum range of at most 18 miles when we were actually travelling at a speed of 5 knots and didn’t bother to ask how a 40-year-old, rusted out, black hulled tramp steamer could possibly be the correct identification of their target since its top speed was in the neighborhood of 12 knots and ours was in the neighborhood of 18 knots and we bore absolutely no resemblance to the-year-old, rusted-out, black hulled tramp steamer.

Were I in your shoes rather than embarassing yourself on forums such as this I would condemn the Israeli government in the loudest way possible for their placing the wellbeing (perhaps the very existence) of the State of Israel in the hands of a Navy that cannot tell the difference between a 40-year-old, rusted out, black hulled Egyptian tramp steamer and a freshly painted, clearly marked US Navy ship 4 times its size.

But we all know they didn’t make a mistake, don’t we?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

For all they knew your ship was a Soviet SigINT vessel. After all, you never bothered to tell them differently didja?

John Rogers
John Rogers
7 years ago
Reply to  Joe Meadors

Mr. Meadows. As you know during that war a tiny country with a small navy was attacked by several larger and better equipped nations. In any war you would know that there are unintentional casualties even by friendly fire. That includes bombing friendly units due to inaccurate coordinates or entire villages without an enemy in sight. But you are not claiming that. Instead you claim that the USS Llberty was attacked because it was American. How wrong you are. Th US was the only nation providing weapons to Israel and monitoring Russian activity. Israel would have never bomobed the ship with mal intent. I may be wrong but you sound like an anti-semite. As a warrior, past or present, would completely understand what I am writing. Your sarcastic remark at the end of your response gives you away.

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago
Reply to  John Rogers

“…you claim that the USS Llberty was attacked because it was American.”

Not true. I have never claimed that the USS Liberty was attacked because it was American. My comments have all pertained to how the attack was conducted and the cover-up of that attack by the US government that continues to this day. I have no idea why we were attacked but I do hope that the reason for the attack will be revealed when the US government finally conducts a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation of the attack on our ship.

“I may be wrong but you sound like an anti-semite.”

You are, of course, free to characterize me and my comments any way you want.

I respectfully submit that to characterize me or my comments as anti-Semitic one would have to be of the opinion that had anyone else attacked us using the same tactics that were employed against us and with the same response by the US government we wouldn’t be insisting that an attack on a US Navy ship warrants a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation.

Clearly that is not the case.

Can you make the same claim? If everything about the attack on the USS Liberty was exactly the same except that we were attacked by Egypt would you be so quick to condemn us and to support the actions of the forces who attacked our ship?

“Your sarcastic remark at the end of your response gives you away.”

No sarcasm was intended.

Will Jones
Will Jones
7 years ago

Did Mossad do 9/11 “by accident,” too? The historical fact is the Israelis knew they were attacking and killing Americans on the Liberty.

Truth is of God. Let’s all stick to It.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

Nothing says delusional antisemitism like accusing the Mossad of being involved in 9-11. Ur muslum masters need their gonads cleaned — you better get to licking.

Will Jones
Will Jones
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Your response is par for your Christ-killing, slaving, tribe’s satanic cult psychosis. You do know Vatican banker Rothschilds’ and avowed atheist, Herzl’s, “State of Israel” meets not a single one of Isaiah’s several given signs for “Zion.” It’s great to know America meets each and every one.

The Beast of Gog and Babylon you now ride shall soon be cast down. Praise God.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
7 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

The Romans killed Yeshua idiot. The priests who ran the Temple released Yeshua without charge.

1gadawg
1gadawg
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Don’t let facts get in the way of one of Willy’s rants!!

Will Jones
Will Jones
7 years ago
Reply to  1gadawg

1gadawg is a papist product of Satan’s homosexual pedophile priesthood of Babylon which moved to Vatican Hill after Jehoshaphat ejected their “cult of male prostitutes” from Jerusalem, recounted in the Book of Kings. Through priestly abuse, directly or by close remove, he is satanically conformed and incapable of being Godly or an American thereby.

1gadawg
1gadawg
7 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

1gadawg is a Catholic blah de blah, blah blah blah blah blah, blah de balh, ramble ramble ramble ramble, blah blah, ramble ramble ramble, blah, ramble ramble. blah blah blah de blah, more blah de blah, ramble ramble ramble, where’er my meds, blah de blah, ramble ramble ramble, blah blah blah blah, ramble, blah de blah…..

Will Jones
Will Jones
7 years ago
Reply to  1gadawg

QED

1gadawg
1gadawg
7 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

You’re into quantum electrodynamics? very cool…

1gadawg
1gadawg
7 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

BED

Will Jones
Will Jones
7 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Those priests were Hebraic Jews. The specialist cult impalers who actually did the crucifixion’s intricate handwork (“crucifixion” is Latin for impalement), hired by Rome from Gog and Magog, were the Khazars Rome later “awarded” “Judaism” as “controlled opposition,” having exterminated the Hebraic Jews in AD70.

Today they are called “Ashkenazi,” descended of Uz-ben-Shem, not Abraham.

Rome and the Khazar Talmuds have formed a “good cop/bad cop” satanic pathocracy ever since.

America’s founder and prophet termed it “the real Anti-Christ” “engine for enslaving mankind.”

Rome’s Vatican banker/FedScamming Rothschild/Rockefeller homosexual pedophile Talmud/papist Organized Crime Fifth Column ruling false-elite faction is the “Beast” of Gog and Babylon which, by grace, the People united and repentant, must be cast down.

1gadawg
1gadawg
7 years ago
Reply to  Will Jones

All I want to know is, was Spengler and Venkman there?

Joe Meadors
Joe Meadors
7 years ago

Let me recap the rules many participants of this discussion are abiding by:

First-hand accounts of USS Liberty survivors are to be considered suspect if not totally discounted because eye-witness accounts are, by definition, suspect.

First-hand accounts of IDF participants on the other hand are to be considered sacrosanct and are not to be questioned.

Alleged facts contained in a book written by an attorney (who is trained to advocate for his client and discount/ridicule evidence and testimony that does not support his client’s position) are to be accepted without question. Anyone who questions those alleged facts is by definition either anti-Semitic or anti-Israel or both and is to be condemned using that characterization alone.

Any researcher writing the history of an attack on a US Navy ship, be it the attacks on the USS Pueblo, USS Stark, USS Cole or USS Liberty, can do so without interviewing any former officer or crew of the ship.

Said researcher can write a complete history of that attack by basing that history almost entirely upon information provided by the attacking force. Anyone who questions this strategy is to be condemned as anti-Israel or anti-Semitic or both.

These are the rules we long ago accepted and have operated quite well under for decades.

In fact, it plays right into our hands and we sincerely appreciate anyone who abides by these rules while participating in a discussion of the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.

Paul Blart
Paul Blart
7 years ago

I totally love your site, I like how youre standing up against the sharia nonsense and garbage trying to worm it’s way into our western culture, but DONT go and tell me that everything about Israel and the USS Liberty is “totally discredited” and funded by nonsense. I’m not just a supporter but a fan of Israel, and of jews and jewish history worldwide, believing they have given far more than they have ever taken, but there is such a thing as sticking so hard to the official propaganda line at times implying Israel has never made any mistakes or bad judgement calls that you damage credibility elsewhere.

It’s no different than just admitting that the early american colonists killed and butchered it’s way across the continent killing any indian in the way. Yes many were absolute savages like the Comanche and deserved what came to them, even the women and children. (if you’ve read history you know they literally had their women and children carry out the most extreme tortures against captives). But others like the Mandan and Cherokee in many cases were largely peaceful just wanting to get along and got totally screwed over. Refusing to admit the crimes against the latter undermines any claim of moral superiority over the former.

Admitting the early american colonists did horrible things doesn’t mean i’m not still on the side of america, any more than admitting that israel has done bad things doesn’t mean I am not on their side because moral compromise and bad judgement can be learned from and not repeated, whereas some of the forces that have been stacked on the other side in their opposition (such as communism, naziism, shariah) are totalitarians without compromise or the ability to get along with anyone or ever result in anything but evil.

If a 100% totalitarian view of “Israel is perfect and white as snow” is the only one acceptable over even legal testimony of honored US servicemen and women disregarded in a politicized hearing, a wedge is going to be hammered in. And it’s not going to drive people in favor of Israel. All of this palestinian BDS stupidity going on is only tolerated as part of the backlash of increasingly poor public relations on behalf of Israel already, don’t push it further into demanding recognition of falsehoods.

Blankety-Blank
Blankety-Blank
7 years ago

Since SCOTUS has ruled that corporations are people, can’t these corporations be sued for libel? Or is it not libel when Israel is the focus of the falsity?

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