Hillary Emails: State Discussed ‘Cooperating,’ ‘Increased Investment’ With Terrorist Group

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Huma Abedin, left, aide to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, right, waits as she poses for a photo with an employee at Market Basket Supermarket, Tuesday, Feb. 2, 2016, in Manchester, N.H. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)
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Will the country correct its monumental mistake in the election of Barack Obama and continue its self-destructive spiral by electing this criminal America-hater and her longtime lover, Muslim Brotherhood progeny, Huma Abedin?

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“Hillary Emails: State Discussed ‘Cooperating,’ ‘Increased Investment’ With Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood Government,” By Breitbart, February 27, 2016:

TEL AVIV – 1,500 pages of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails provide insight into the level of support the U.S. was considering in 2012 for Egypt’s newly elected Muslim Brotherhood government.

On August 30, 2012, Robert D. Hormats, the under-secretary of state for economic affairs, wrote to Clinton’s then-Deputy Chief of Staff Jake Sullivan to update him on a meeting he held with Muslim Brotherhood Deputy Supreme Adviser Khairat al-Shater.\

Shater was later sentenced to life imprisonment and then to death for multiple alleged crimes, including inciting violence and financial improprieties.

The email reveals Hormats and other U.S. diplomats discussed  methods of cooperation with Shater, including an increase in American direct foreign investment.

Hormats wrote:

Anne Patterson, Bill Taylor, and I met with Muslim Brotherhood Deputy Supreme Guide Khairat al-Shater. He discussed broad principles of economic development based on 100 large infrastructure projects (over a billion dollars each) as part of Morsi’s Nadah (Renaissance Plan) Plan; ways of cooperating with the US to obtain support for these projects and for SMEs; and his hope for an IMF agreement and increased foreign direct investment from the US, the West, and the Arab world. He also noted that it was a priority for the GOE to build a true democratic system based on human rights and the rule of law.

Patterson, the U.S. Ambassador to Egypt at the time, was known for her repeated engagement with the Muslim Brotherhood. Taylor was the U.S. Special Coordinator for Middle East Transitions; that is, the U.S. envoy to the new leadership that emerged in the wake of the so-called Arab Spring.

Hormats’ meetings with the Muslim Brotherhood were not secret. But the emails reveal the scope of his discussions with the group about possible future investment.

In September 2012, the New York Times reported that Hormats had led a delegation of businesses to Egypt to discuss possible private investment.

That same month, the State Department published a document that received little news media attention. It revealed that in August and September 2012, “Hormats visited Egypt to negotiate possible bilateral debt relief,” but the document did not provide further details.

After the toppling of Egypt’s longtime president Hosni Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Muhammad Morsi served as president from June 30, 2012 to July 3, 2013, when he was removed from office amidst widespread protests and a military coup. After Mubarak was removed from office, the Obama administration pledged $1 billion in assistance to bolster Egypt’s transition to democracy.

Clinton and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta each visited Cairo and met with Morsi during his tenure as president.

The meeting that Hormats describes in the email took place while the U.S. was negotiating an aid package to help relieve Egypt’s debt crisis amid concerns from U.S. lawmakers about funding the Muslim Brotherhood.

The email was sent a week and a half before protesters besieged the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on September 11, 2012, the same day the U.S. Special Mission in Benghazi came under attack.

Following the attacks, Obama stated of Morsi’s government, “I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy.”

With research by Brenda J. Elliott.

  • Glen Saunders

    Hillary Clinton is a traitor and should be arrested and imprisoned for the rest of her sorry life…

    • DVult

      I disagree. She should be executed.

    • billwhit

      Or, just disposed of!

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        LOL. Gr8.

      • Steve

        That’s too quick. Just send her off in the middle of syria riding a camel.

  • hurricanepaul

    Stories like this, that expose the lies by Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration are labeled “right-wing rhetoric” by the talking head Liberals on CNN.

  • bitterlyclinging

    It takes a considerable time to clean yourself, your tools and equipment off after you’ve spent any length of time working in the sewers. Seven years of Barack Obama/Robert Hormats, you’ve definitely spent more than your share of time in the sewers. Eight years of Barack Obama-America’s walk on the wild side.

    • Budvarakbar

      ” Eight years of Barack Obama-America’s walk on the wild side.”

      Huh??? — why the switch back from the sewers???

      Don’t you mean:

      Eight years of Barack Obama-America’s floundering in the sewers!
      Wake the hell up!!.

      • bitterlyclinging

        The country’s been in the sewers for these 8 years under Obama.
        Obama, a 27 hole round of golf yesterday says it all. Aloof, indifferent, above it all. Totally enjoying the pain and discomfort he’s putting 300 million or so Infidels through.

  • guest

    If they really were lesbians and Huma was a totally liberal ex-muslim, presumably we’d have less of a problem. She’d hardly be for bringing imams into the US who want to throw gays off buildings.

    • Richard

      Not true. Huma knows she will never go back to live in an Islamic country again and further, she is like a princess among Hamas — she won’t be thrown off any buildings while she is useful to the jihad. She really is a Muslim, no ‘ex’ about it. And her lesbo embrace of Hitlerly has undoubtedly swawyed cankles toward Muslim sympathies.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        I seem to remember a Saudi princess being hunted down across the world, brought back to Soddy Barbaria and being beheaded for marrying a man the royal family didn’t approve of.
        I’d bet a significant percentage of honor killings are of lesbian women, of course the enemedia would never bother to investigate such an islamic phenom.

        • Budvarakbar

          Ah — but she wasn’t involved with the spreading of Islam – WAS SHE??? — i.e. not useful to the bottom line cause!
          For god’s sake you dam fools – get your heads out of your a$$es!!!!

          • Richard

            Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make: she is a useful tool of jihad. Some animals are more equal than others.

          • IzlamIsTyranny
          • Richard

            What the wiki link fails to discuss is the raging hypocrisy of the ban on homosexuality in the world of Islam. Few and far between is the Muslim lad who has not been sexually molested by an older male. They simply don’t consider it homosexuality if the boy is too young to grow facial hair. Bachi Bazi, dancing boys provided for sexual pleasure, in Afghanistan is as prevalent as baseball, hotdogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet are in the US. And of course, due the moral example of Muhammad’s behavior there is zero stigma on pederasty.

            You know why Muslims wear long flowing robes? Because their sheep run from the sound of a zipper.

          • DemocracyRules

            Richard:
            I agree. Obama is similar. No matter what sexual orientation or religion Obama espouses from week to week, the Islamists won’t try to liquidate him.

            Homosexuality is fairly common in Muslim countries. People just learn to look the other way, when it’s convenient. Afghanistan has a significant industry of ‘toy boys’ who occupy the attentions of Muslim men.

          • Steve

            You hit the nail on the head about the hypocrisy of that culture among thousands of other problems with it. I mean specifically when you said “when it’s convenient”. One could say as an analogy with western culture, “Do as I say not as I do.” What a perverse thrill it must be to become anyone with any power in islam.

          • DemocracyRules

            Steve:
            Well put. That may be why Islamists struggle so hard for power. Most Muslims have little power, and the ones who can obtain it can victimize everyone else.

            Islamists are not a ‘throw back’. We are a ‘throw forward’. Islamist culture is linked to the Babylonians. Brutality, violence, slavery, and conflict were everywhere, all the time. Marriage was just a type of enslavement. The Nabataeans were Arab contemporaries of the Babylonians. Nabataean culture seems similar to modern Islamists.

      • guest

        I didn’t say she was an ex. Look carefully: I said if she truly was a lesbian and an ex muslim. Neither are the case.

        • Richard

          So…your claim is that your statement is to be interpreted to mean that you believe she is neither lesbian nor ex Muslim, so you are expressing your belief that she is both straight and currently Muslim.
          Well, you are half right and half wrong. She is currently a lesbian Muslim. Your comment can not be saved or defended without further pretzel logic I haven’t time for.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Is there any proof Huma of the Ummah is, in fact lesbian? Because she is, in fact, married to a “man”, the Wiener beater.

          • DemocracyRules

            Izlamis:
            Yes, there is a lot of evidence. Please see my comment on this thread. Hillary have been romantically and sexually involved for decades.

    • Budvarakbar

      Get your head out of your a$$!

  • RCCA

    Strange times. We all know Hillary’s history. She’s running for the Dem. nomination against a life long socialist who never had a real paying job before he was elected mayor of Burlington, VT, who was married (lived in a shack like structure with dirt floors) and was soon divorced, and then had a child with a woman he had not married. Eventually he settled down and married a woman with three children when he got a substantial job as US Congressman. Talk about a career politician.

    IOW, this election is the Republicans to lose. Let’s watch and see how they manage it.

    • Mahou Shoujo

      Well said.

    • Budvarakbar

      “IOW, this election is the Republicans to lose. ”
      So were 2008 and 2012 — and they succeeded both times — think about it!

  • wildjew

    We might have the choice Next November between one racist and another racist.

    ‘Disgusting: Trump Reverses Himself, Refuses to Disavow David Duke and KKK’

    BEN SHAPIRO

    I might turn the president’s page and vote in other elections. I’ve done it before.

    • RCCA

      When the votes are counted no one asks about the character and prejudices of the voters. What matters are the views of the candidate, and who gets the most votes. Is Trump a David Duke white supremacist? Do you think Trump would have allowed his daughter to marry a Jew if he were? Or would he allow her to run his company, as he plans to do, if he wins the Presidency?

      A preponderance of black voters voted for Obama because he was the black candidate (a racist position). Did that invalidate their votes? Did anyone ask him, “What would you say to people who only voted for you because you are black?” Did he disavow them? Did anyone ask Hillary if her win in South Carolina was because of her expression of solidarity with Obama and if that constitutes a racist mentality? Is she disavowing their racism or the racism of the BLM movement?

      Trump has already condemned political correctness and is unlikely to get dragged into making statements just for the sake of political correctness, especially if that might result in a loss of votes. Does that make him a racist? I don’t think so. He’s being pragmatic and ignoring the optics as much as possible.

      Ben Shapiro is only bringing this up because he is supporting Cruz/Rubio, as a Conservative. BTW, Trump did disavow Duke. NBD

      • wildjew

        RCCA, all this stuff about Obama and Hillary is a waste of time. I am a Republican. Why do you bring these reprobates into the discussion? I don’t care about these racists.

        I care about “our” racists. I care about the racists in my party. I know they are in my party. I was politically active for eight years here in our Republican party. I’ve seen these Trump supporters. Trump has many racist supporters. If you read and posted on Breitbart over the past many months as I have, you would know he has white supremacists, white nationalists, Israel-haters, anti-Semites, supporting him. They link to racist websites, right there on Breitbart. THAT is why he has difficulty condemning David Duke and Duke’s supporters. He knows Duke’s people are a significant part of his voting base; constituency.

        • DemocracyRules

          wildjew:
          But Trump did disavow them, once he made sure what the question was. This was a “gotcha question”, that asked about Trump’s opinion regarding a basket of groups. Any ‘Yea’ or ‘Nay’ to the whole basket would be a mistake that the media would jump on.

          Trump later went though the list, and gave an opinion. I think that’s OK. No politician can prevent bad people from voting for them.

          Several websites specialize in organizing the policies and positions of candidates. I use them, because the media does a poor job with all the candidates.

          http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

    • harbidoll

      didnt US & Russia get together to fight Germany & now isis? just sayin – we Did it Before–

      • wildjew

        In you analogy who is Russia? Clinton or Trump? Who is Germany?

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      What about Sanders? He doesn’t have multi-million dollar real estate holdings in islamic states. He doesn’t schmooze w/George Soros. He’s never condemned Mrs. Geller for holding an art contest.

  • Mahou Shoujo

    What is the matter with America? Adulating criminals is a bit of a national pastime on occasion, but eventually a line will have to be drawn, hillary stepped over it years ago.

    • DemocracyRules

      In the time of Julius Caesar, ca. 55 BC, Cicero, the orator, writer, and thinker, said that Rome was facing decline. He was off by about 400 years. Furthermore, he participated in the plot against Caesar, and was executed for it. After that, things got better almost immediately. Cicero: doomster gone wild.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        “Things got better almost immediately”? Huh? What you describe was the end of the Roman Republic…forever. Caligula, Nero were all products of the Roman Empire — as was overbearing taxation.

        • DemocracyRules

          IzlamisTyranny:
          Ok, you got me, I was pushing the facts just a little. But it got you fired up, didn’t it?

          And it is all true, technically. Things DID get better after Cicero passed, because Octavian (Emperor Augustus) fixed a lot of things that were very wrong with Rome. The main reason Cicero bemoaned the slide of Rome was because of the constant bickering, infighting, and civil wars that the Senators were causing. The Senators were not elected, they were just regional strongmen who went to Rome. A lousy Republic, that Julius Caesar was trying to fix. He was assassinated, but Augustus picked up where Julius left off, and there were decades of peaceful prosperity under Augustus.

          SO in my humble opinion, the Roman Republic was imbalanced because there was no individual authority who could knock heads together if the regional powers got rowdy. Remember, when Augustus succeeded to power, Italy was rife with civil disturbances, and Sicily had plunged into a war of secession. Augustus had a tough fight, especially against Anthony and Cleopatra.

          As for Nero, Caligula, etc., why do I have to apologize for them? Yes they were horrible people, but Rome was a chaotic mess. It’s just that it was the most successful chaotic mess in the world at that time.

          SO, Cicero was wrong, Rome’s collapse was not imminent, and after his demise, things got better through Augustus. Rome got better, but it was never a democracy, and slaves comprised about 30% of the population of the empire. If they had been a democracy, they might still be around. But as it was, Rome fell about 400 years after Cicero said it would. And that’s a pretty sloppy calculation.
          Am I off the hook now?

      • Mahou Shoujo

        That is a bit extreme, but effective nonetheless. Today there are few real orators who criticize socialism and the insanity of social engineering.

        • DemocracyRules

          Mahou:
          Yes, I was just throwing ideas around. I guess my point is that ‘decline and fall’ is very difficult to predict. In my view, we are living in a golden age, where the average Westerner no longer has to scrabble fo food, world GDP is increasing, and world poverty is declining. But of course, there are many dark forces working, and this will be a tough fight to preserve liberty.

          In the ‘Golden Age of Greece’, the people who lived in that era didn’t seem to enjoy it very much.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Things are no appreciated, in many cases, until they are lost. The aggressive demands of islam to retard society to the seventh century, may look “kewl” and trendy, but the social and physical detestation on humanity wrought by cults like islam, are what has prevented the species of man to progress as evolution would have allowed.

  • wildjew

    SEN. SESSIONS TO ENDORSE (RACIST– wj) TRUMP

    Sun Feb 28 2016 16:36:22 ET

    **Exclusive**

    The conservative soul of the US Senate, Jeff Sessions, will endorse Trump this evening at a Huntsville, Alabama rally… (Drudge)

    • honeybee

      Are Trump and Sessions any more racist then Sharpton.?

  • wildjew

    I heard Senator Jeff Sessions the other day on Mark Levin’s radio program. Now I am watching him at an Alabama rally this evening. He is going to endorse Donald Trump according to news reports, even as Mr. Trump struggled this morning over a question about David Duke’s support.

    Update: Sessions, like Chris Christie, just endorse Donald Trump.

    • @protectedspeech

      YES, AND BECAUSE TRUMP DIDN’T PAT PAMELA’S BACK AFTER HER CARTOON CONTEST, SHE IS ENDORSING CREEPY LYING NON-NATURAL BORN CITIZEN CRUZ !!! PAMELA IS A FRAUD IF SHE DOES NOT ENDORSE TRUMP !!!!!!!!!

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Pamela is one of the few honest media writers left. Now quit shouting you sound like a fool.

        • @protectedspeech

          NOT HONEST IF SHE THINKS CREEPY LYING CRUZ IS EVEN CONSTITUTIONALLY ELIGIBLE FOR POTUS

          • @protectedspeech

            NO CANDIDATE IS MORE ANTI-RADICAL ISLAM THAN TRUMP, BUT MISS PAMELA DOESN’T ENDORSE HIM BECAUSE HE DIDN’T KISS HER ASS FOLLOWING THE CARTOON CONTEST – THAT IS VERY DISINGENUOUS ON HER PART

          • DemocracyRules

            Protect..
            Sorry man, have to flag you. Full caps, swearing, insulting the moderator, and off topic.

          • AnyoneButHillary2016

            LOL

          • michaelofsydney

            I guess your dream in life is to progress towards the average US IQ score. Good luck with that!

          • ColonelNeville

            I’m guessing the commenter calling themselves ‘protectespeech’ has an IQ in the mid eighties.

          • Richard

            Missed it by that much. By which I mean that I think you can get disability benefits with an IQ in the seventies or lower.

          • ColonelNeville

            Hey Richard, “sorry about that, Chief!”. Would you believe the IQ of Albert Einstein? How the IQ of a mediocre undergrad with a drug problem? How about the IQ of a curtain rod?

          • Richard

            Could you repeat that last part Chief? Everything after you said, “Now listen closely, Max”

          • ColonelNeville

            “Ohhh, Maaax!”

          • ColonelNeville

            “OK Chief! I request we continue this highly sensitive conversation under The Cone of Silence!”
            “Oh, Max! NOT the Cone of Silence!”
            Yes! The Cone of Silence!”

          • Richard

            Sorry Max, the cone of silence is broken. We’re going to have to use flash cards in the closet.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            And a negative 15% discount on democrat party memberships.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            I used to be a Dem0rat, until sometime around Kerry’s presidential bid. Recently the Dem0rats called me for donations and all I could do was laugh ’til the guy hung up on me.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            It’s called evolution, I used to be a liberal. But I grew out of it after a while. They still mail propaganda , as I have a fireplace, it is put to good use.

          • ColonelNeville

            Pam never asked for anything from Trump. Trump on his incompetent proud to say “I don’t read!” own Sharia compliant volition, decided to agree entirely with Islamic jihad vermin.

          • ColonelNeville

            You are flagged, you laughable ALL CAPS nitwit TROLL.

          • IslamophobicCanadianAthiest

            If you make a point that makes sense the group will upvote you. And stop shouting,I have a headache.

          • Richard

            It looks like Lucy Van Pelt has upvoted itself.

          • ColonelNeville

            I COMMENT IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I COMMENT IN ALL CAPS AND THAT’S JUST WHAT I ALWAYS DO!!!!!! EVEN WHEN EVERYONE TELLS ME NOT TO COMMENT IN ALL CAPS, I ALWAYS SAY SCREW YOU!!!!!! – YET I DON’T KNOW WHY I DO ALL CAPS!!!!!! MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE I COMMENT IN ALL CAPS!!!!! AND I’M DULLER THAN A SHOE!!! – AND THAT’S JUST WHAT YOU DO!!!!!!! I REALLY REALLY LIKE EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!!!! – COS THERE’S NO IMPACT IN WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!! MAYBE IF I HAD THINKING, READING AND WRITING SKILLS, MY MIND WOULDN’T BE FULL OF WET BREAD. OOPS! I MEANT WET BREAD!!!!!!

          • Richard

            That was funny. I MEAN, I GOT IT.

          • ColonelNeville

            Hey Richard, you’re too kind. Thanks. Semper Fi, patriot.

          • ColonelNeville

            Gee, so the Mohammad cartoon contest was all an elaborate plan started over fifteen years ago by Pam Geller, that involved tricking Muslim jihadists into trying to kill hundreds of her fans and supporters all just to get kudos like worthless praise from Two-Faced Trump?!

            And then when Trump sided with said evil head slicers, Pam was naturally incensed at said plan [years in the making no less!] failing to elicit the much dreamed of praise. Incredible! Will those Jews stop at nothing with their complicated schemes?

            One thing – are you obtuse or retarded?

          • DemocracyRules

            ColonelNeville:
            Someone said on this thread that conservatives can reason effectively, but leftists can’t. I agree. Dogma can’t handle logic and rational thought. Dogma has to be swallowed whole without question. The good thing is that someone else has done all the thinking. The bad thing is that one could participate in the loss of 100 million lives, like the communists.
            Reference: The Black Book of Communism.

          • ColonelNeville

            Hey DR, you are entirely correct. The left are a mob with a mob’s mentality and thus they love and only need to parrot slogans. See Ann Coulter’s empirical book Demonic on the mob nature of the left which is literally demonic, thus the title.

            Yes, The Black Book of Communism. Also see museumoncommunism org, hfontova com, thepeoplescube com, babalublog com, zombietime com etc.

            It’s why conservatives have brilliant empirical thinkers and best selling authors like Thomas Sowell, Daniel Greenfield of sultankinish blog, Mark Steyn, Bill Whittle, Colin Flaherty, Robert Spencer, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, P.J O’Rourke, Victor Davis Hanson etc, etc – while the left have literally NO ONE AKA Noam Chomsky, the babbling nitwits of The Young Turks and the ironically grotesque and greedy liar Michael Moore and handsome clod George Clooney et al.

            Semper Fi, patriot.

          • DemocracyRules

            Colonel:
            Thanks. It’s good to be correct occasionally.

          • ColonelNeville

            Hey DR, my pleasure.

          • ColonelNeville
          • Mahou Shoujo

            Use your inside voice, all you are doing is scaring cows two mile away.

          • Richard

            Dear, you can’t fix stupid.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            … it is theoretically possible.

          • Richard

            Best of luck, but you’d better eat a Power Bar.

            Hey, wait a minute…maybe a chocolate chip cookie would fix this.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            If I get into the cookies… ooooh ahhh huff, pufff pant, oooooooh… will get distracted… oooooh, let him stay stupid…

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            What about Green Tea ice cream? Can you get that in your part of Canada?

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Haven’t ever seen it, yet. The dismal swamp wherein I reside’s trading posts have a limited selection of fairly rudimentary staples.

          • The origional roger

            No, they tried it with me.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Actually I have a fairly good success rate among survivors, in educating the stupid.

      • BrunoPBuhr

        She has the right to endorse anyone she wants. I personally think Cruz is unbalanced. Pamela risks her life on a daily basis protecting Americans. So figure out how not to use caps and show some respect to Ms Geller, she has earned it!

      • ColonelNeville

        Gee, ALL CAPS and lots of exclamation marks! Impressive. Er, no.

  • Voytek Gagalka

    All in hands of American electorate. They should choose wisely. Destiny of the whole world depends on that!

    • The origional roger

      I think that what happens in Europe in the next couple of years will be a huge determinant of events world wide, and the US may or may not decide to leave the UN and stand on their own.

  • There are 253 days until the 2016 election.
    Will the AMERICAN people get it right this time?
    The whole world hopes they do.

    • tom

      America’s now the Land of the Dumb, Fat and Lazy.

      • DemocracyRules

        tom:
        Don’t give up so easily. Consider these:
        -The US is by far the richest country in human history
        -The average US IQ is 100. This is equalized over time for statistical purposes. But REAL IQ is going up.
        -The average weight of Americans is higher than many other countries. But we don’t know exactly why. There has never been a time in human history when food was so abundant as it is now, in the USA. Norwegians are also getting heavier, probably for the same reason. They aren’t starving anymore.
        -Americans are the most productive workers on earth. They are extremely hard-working, logging a typical 44 hour work week, compared to about 35 hrs in France.

        • tom

          Great points, DR, but if you believe the IQ of America is getting higher, you’ve got blinders on. SAT scores are in steady decline, too.

          • DemocracyRules

            tom:
            I know tom, it might seem that way to you. But I have seen the data, and IQ is increasing in the US. Maybe they seem progressively dumber to you because you are getting smarter! I’m serious. Most people become more intelligent as they age, providing their brain health is good.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            The older you get, the more you realize what you do and do not know, that in itself is a significant improvement.

          • DemocracyRules

            Mahou:
            Yes, I agree. IQ researchers used to think that intelligence DECLINED as people aged. But they made an error. IQ researchers would get people of various ages to do IQ tests. The results showed lower scores for older people. But that was because the average older person had much less education! When modern researchers followed people over time, they found them getting smarter over time. Americans are smart because they get lots of education. About half go to college, or other training soon after high school. Also, reading helps improve intelligence, even internet material that’s factual helps. In Europe and many other countries, only a small percentage go to University.

            Americans who think their countrymen are dumb, haven’t travelled much.

            The average IQ in Somalia is 64. There is no shame in that, all humans have similar brains, and they will grow and change according to how much they learn.. Somalia will eventually fix the problem with more and better schooling, and more emphasis on reading. Raising IQ is mostly just a technical issue, it’s not majic.

          • Richard

            Consanguinity lowers IQ. Think double cousin marriage and you’re on the right track. Nowhere is consanguinity greater than in predominantly Muslim states, not even among European royalty (Hah!).

          • Mahou Shoujo

            The problem with most iq tests is they refer to specific cultural and social background. Those that deal with creativity and problem solving are slightly less illegitimate. Having worked with a number of people in a brute force highly technical industry, I personally know people with iq’s below 100 that can solve problems that the high priced help could only cause, Have met a few Doctors in various fields, who are geniuses. Then there is the rest which are like gold, they are what they are where they are.

          • Steve

            An intelligent old vendor once told me, “You sell hot dogs long enough son and you get good at it!” Then he pushed his cart off into the past.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            There is more wisdom on the streets and in the fields than any ivy tower ever could hold, but never will, as the wise avoid such foolishness.

          • Steve

            My parrot has become smarter with education.

          • DemocracyRules

            Steve:
            Parrots are razor-smart. With a brain the size of my thumb.

          • The origional roger

            He’s probably telling fibs just to make the budgie jealous.

          • Steve

            He’s telling the truth. I am a wise guy.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            The educational institutions of muslum states don’t encourage creative thinking or even much thinking at all — especially if you’re female.

          • Richard

            This observation points to a distinction between the way liberals and conservatives think. A conservative knows which are facts and which are opinions. A liberal believes his opinions are facts.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Liberals think they know everything, conservatives know they don’t.

          • michaelofsydney

            And sorry, but 100 is not that high.

          • Budvarakbar

            Borderline dufus

          • Richard

            100 is dead center of the Bell curve, absolutely average. Average among exactly what population I’m not sure because IQ is a slippery fish to grasp.
            But after a long time (27 years) working for an awesome tech giant (Boeing) I have become accustomed to having conversations almost exclusively with people who have IQs on the high side of 100. If you think about the law of averages it means that half of the population has an IQ below 100. A person with an IQ of 100 is a remarkably ‘not bright’ person. By remarkable I mean one would express, “Wow, not bright”. Now ponder that the fact that half of the people out there are even less intelligent than that and it helps to understand how we got Obama TWICE.
            I think of a two digit IQ as a bona fide handicap.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Bell curves are instruments of hell, not even islam will stoop that low.

          • Steve

            Perfect iq for brainwashing.

          • DemocracyRules

            Richard:
            Now I understand your reasoning, but don’t go badmouthing the electorate. That’s commie talk. For more than 200 years, Americans have proved that you can run a country perfectly well with an average electorate IQ of 100. In fact, low IQ can help with politics. A simple thinker looks at a rat, and says it’s a rat. It takes a very high IQ to proclaim that this rat has enormous potential, and its rat-like cunning could be an asset, and blah blah blah. By then the simple thinker has changed the channel, and that’s a good thing.

            People voted for Obama because they liked the skin color. That’s all it is, very simple. Americans like to help the little guy. The other day Dr. Ben Carson was saying how excited he was when Obama won, because of what it meant. But Carson also knew that Obama was a rat.

            There is wisdom in crowds that can transcend time and place. Obama has helped Pamela Geller get readers, and he has helped people organize and come together to get rid of yahoos like him, once and for all.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            Gee, I remember once my buck and a quarter IQ once figured out a PC was overheating (because the cooling fan had failed on the heatsink). A MENSA member’s solution to the problem was to place a desk fan blowing on the case of the computer.

          • DemocracyRules

            Izlamis:
            I agree, you were right. Without a fan on the CPU itself, it would never have worked properly. And anyway, that was then and this is now. And you are much smarter now…

          • Steve

            Its high for my pet parrot.

        • AnyoneButHillary2016

          Actually IQ has significantly decreased since the 80’s and continues to do so.

          • DemocracyRules

            Anyone:
            Thanks for your reply. Do you have a reference? If you can find it, I would like to look at it.

          • Steve

            Yes, stats can be misleading out of context.

          • Mary

            http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/

            Supposedly 24 or so separate studies confirm that fluoride lowers iq. (many other factors as well, of course)

          • DemocracyRules

            Mary:
            Thanks for the link. It’s good to see progress on the issue of fluoride toxicity. The debate has been raging for decades, and neither side has had enough data to conclusively prove their point.

            The US Center for Disease Control places the fluoridation of tap
            water among the top 10 best public health achievements of the
            20th century. It certainly has reduced the prevalence and incidence to dental caries (cavities). Fluoridation dramatically changed the dental profession. because dentists do not fill as many cavities as they used to.

            Two very hard issues remain. First, what is the best trade-off between benefits and risks? This is a problem with all micronutrients, and trace-level environmental chemicals.. Thousands of studies are behind the dosage levels (Recommended Daily Allowance, RDA) in a typical vitamin pill. For example, beta-carotene is used to help the body make enough vitamin A. But some studies have found that high doses of beta-carotene can hasten death in patients with early stage lung diseases. A more recent study suggests beta-carotene may be protective against breast cancer. Nutritionists and toxicologists have to sort though all these studies and make decision about the beta-carotene RDA.

            Second, when is science reliable enough to talk publicly about the RDA for these micronutrients and chemicals? How much proof is enough? That’s why researchers seem to be very slow to do anything, when good or bad info appears. They are waiting for more data. The Harvard study you refer to is like walking into a sausage factory. The fluoride RDA research looks messy and confusing. But that’s because they haven’t made the sausage yet.

          • Steve

            Do you have a Stat on it?

          • DemocracyRules

            Anyone:
            Here is a good reference about rising IQ scores. Consider a person who takes an IQ test today and gets a score of 100. An ‘average IQ’. But what happens if we give the same person an IQ test from 1950? His score IQ score is about 115! Over time, IQ experts have kept the “average IQ” score at 100. But to do that, they have been making IQ tests tougher. Because people have been getting smarter.

            http://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/03/smarter.aspx

        • harbidoll

          its the “stuff” they put in the food for animals, fish, birds–Never were turkeys or chickens so fat they could barely walk or stand!! Female hormons-which explainst the state of men in US

          • Steve

            How about TV brainwashing?

        • notislam

          Weight is up because of eating processed foods – for one.’
          Overeating is another reason wt . is up–So don’t give the excuse —we don’t know why—ugh!!!

          • Richard

            Eighty proof grain alcohol has 64 calories per ounce. I’m just sayin’ is alls.

          • DemocracyRules

            notislam, re body wieght:
            Yes, I know the “processed foods” explanation is popular. But in spite of Michele/ Mike Obama and her bizarre eating ideas, the experts do not know why Americans are heavier. Eating processed foods looked like a reasonable explanation, until test subjects who were put on the on the ‘paleo-diet’ gained weight. The paleo-diet is supposed to resemble cave-man (cave-persons?) food. It’s like small, rocks, sand, sawdust, and bits of real food.

            It seems like cave-persons were skinny because they walked a lot, suffered from frequent food shortages, had frequent bouts of dysentery, and they died at about age 37. Since people tend to gain weight as they age, cave-people had no time to gain weight. If they had lived on caviar, and cognac pate de fois gras, they probably would still have been skinny.

          • DemocracyRules

            notislam, re body weight (2):

            Strangely, it’s the left-wing atheists who are the most obsessed with the “gluttony is a sin” idea. Suddenly, atheists are experts on sin…

            The argument, “People get fat because they eat too much” is actually quite funny, logically. It’s called a tautology, or circular argument.
            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
            Here is how the logic falls apart:
            ~~~
            Question: “Why is that person fat?”
            Answer: “Because they eat too much.”
            ~~~
            Q: “But how do we know they eat too much?”
            A: “Because they’re fat””
            ~~~
            Q: “But why are they fat?
            A: “Because they eat too much.”
            ~~~
            Q: “But what causes eating too much?”
            A: “I don’t know.”
            ~~~
            Q: “So what causes fatness?”
            A: “I don’t know, because I don’t know what causes eating too much.”

            So it’s a logical dead-end.
            A worse problem is that “eating too much makes you fat” is not actually true. Teenage boys can empty a whole fridge in a few hours, every day, and not gain weight. So eating ‘too much’ does not necessarily make people fat.

        • Steve

          That’ s all well but the average weight will go down rather precipitously here if islamism takes over as the average head weight is 10-11 pounds.

          • DemocracyRules

            Steve:
            Yes, you’re right. I’m concerned that most people are unaware how successful the USA has been. Furthermore, the data suggests that this is only the beginning. Instead of seeing doom and gloom, I see an extremely difficult surfing competition. It’s all about riding the wave, and balancing the forces to stay on the wave.

            People who want to obliterate all Muslims would crash the US off the wave, to be sucked down into endless conflict, with no moral high ground. People who want to ignore the clear and present dangers would also knock the USA off the wave, if we let them. Ignoring danger makes the danger worse.

            For sure, the reason why the Islamists and Russians want to destroy the US is because until now, it has been a very good surfer. The USA has what they want, and they will destroy the US to try and get it. But if they overthrew the US, there would be would no prize. What’s driving global progress are the American collective values and culture.

          • Steve

            Ironically, with our success and overall charity bringing the world forward, it is with our media and weapons resources that some are now attempting to overthrow us to bring us back to the dark ages.

          • DemocracyRules

            Steve:
            Yes, I’ve noticed that too. According to me, it is impossible to overthrow Western civilization by using twitter.

            The publicity about the Stuxnet and Flame viruses really surprised me. Apparently the Iranians are using Microsoft Windows for their nuclear bomb work, and everywhere else too.

        • Mary

          -The U.S. has been blessed. Those blessings will be/are currently being removed. Examples: Ferguson Riots, school shootings, hurricane Katrina, crime hikes in Chicago, I could go on… (Angering God produces mind-blowingly bad changes.)
          -The average IQ around the world has quite a lot to do with sufficient nutrition, inbreeding stats, and so on. (check a world map with IQ scores by country, nutrition appears to be a much more important factor than even education.)
          -The average weight of North Americans is near or at obesity. The largest single jump in sizing took place in the seventies, right around the time that corn syrup additives became common. More people have paper-shuffling/computer jobs then ever, and being sedentary is dreadful for weight/health.(many factors, but those seem to be significant.)
          -Again, you have been blessed. Many people work hard, some get no-where… please remember that even the ability to work hard is a blessing.
          Also, thank God for your blessings. All of them! Have you read “The Hiding Place”? Two sisters were in a concentration camp having an argument. One said they should thank God for their blessings. The other said they had bugs, what blessings? Then the first one insisted they thank God for the bugs. Much later, the sister who survived the war found out the only reason the guards left them alone was because of those bugs in their barracks….. just reminding you, blessings are blessings. All glory to God.

          • The origional roger

            That’s lovely Mary.

  • Guest

    God help us all. What we do not know is worrisome.

  • @protectedspeech

    WELL, PAMELA DEAR, WILL YOU SWALLOW YOUR GODDAM PRIDE AND FINALLY ENDORSE TRUMP, THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO WILL SAVE US ALL ???????

    • Mahou Shoujo

      Stump is supposed to reach out and appeal to voters, not voters pander to him.

  • DemocracyRules

    BAD Blood from the Brotherhood
    Is there anyone left in Washington who isn’t a member of the Muslim Brotherhood? The deeper you dig, the darker it gets.

    Hillary employed a key MB member who was also a key aide of Khairat al-Shater. This beaming boy iin the photo is our guy, Gehad-El-Haddad, the go between. He could connect Hillary to Khairat al-Shater, and the Muslim Brotherhood’s most senior leaders. Al Shater was closely connected to Morsi, the MB leader who seized power in Egypt. Hillary probably wanted to schmooze with Khairat al-Shater because he had money. Lots of money.

    From a BBC review of Khairat al-Shater from 2013.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-17583661.
    The article appeared after the MB took over the Egyptian government. Apparently, they got a $3.2 billion loan from the IMF. Khairat al-Shater controlled that money.
    From the BBC article:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Egypt candidate: Muslim Brotherhood’s Khairat al-Shater

    In recent months, the millionaire businessman has developed the Brotherhood’s economic policy and met the International Monetary Fund (IMF) team that is negotiating a $3.2bn loan facility with the government.

    He has also represented the Muslim Brotherhood at meetings with ambassadors, visiting foreign officials and international investors.

    However, he has also said that the recent election results – which led to a parliament dominated by Islamists – indicate that the Egyptian people support an Islamic state.

    “There is a current within the Brotherhood that is closer to the [conservative] Salafists,” says Mustafa al-Zahran, an expert on Islamist political movements. “Khairat al-Shatar is leading this.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    More thick, gooey, dark connections here:
    http://shoebat.com/2013/09/19/clintons-brotherhood-employee-tied-al-shater/

    Tell me again that Hillary is not up to her neck in the MB.

    • DemocracyRules

      Footnote about the tangled web.
      Our buddy Khairat al-Shater was (or still is) thick with another very nice man with the MB named Yusuf al-Qaradawi. The darling Qaradawi is known for his frequent incitations to violence against Israel and the West. And Qaradawi is also friends with an important Malaysian politician named Anwar Ibrahim. Mr. Ibrahim is connected to the Malaysian airliner that ‘mysteriously disappeared’ over the Indian Ocean.

      But we now know where it went, and who put it at the bottom of the sea. It all links back to Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Anwar Ibrahim is a member of the MB, and is a prominent opposition politician in Malaysia. He had a problem. He was charged and convicted of anal rape of a male chauffeur. The pilot of the Malaysian airliner attended the trial, and after the verdict, drove to the airport and hijacked the plane. His motive was that he was a lover and relative of Anwar Ibrahim.

      • DemocracyRules

        Footnote (2)
        The airliner hijacking and crash was apparently a revenge attack of the MB against the Malaysian government, for ‘persecuting’ Anwar Ibrahim.

        The MB apparently arranged the hijacking, with advice and consent from Yusuf al-Qaradawi. And Obama, an MB sympathizer, helped keep all this out of the news. Recently, parts of the plane washed up on beaches in the Indian ocean. So the disappeared plane turned up, and the MB is holding the bag.

        But you’re not supposed to know any of this.

        • The origional roger

          Yeah, this all points to what you are saying, Australia is still footing the bill to find MH 370 and I wonder if they want to find out more, or get rid of evidence.

          • DemocracyRules

            The original roger:
            The frustrating part about the Australian involvement was they played the game along with Obama. Airline crash experts have carefully reviewed the debris evidence, because some of the search photos were published online. They found that the debris were actually quite abundant on the photos, and pointed to the correct conclusion. The mixture of types of debris, and the condition of the bodies mixed in with the debris, helps show how and where the plane crashed.

            The Aussies helped Obama cover it up. It was a group of NZ experts who finally documented the obvious, and wrote a book about it. They explained how the pilot hijacked the plane, and why there is no other viable explanation.

          • DemocracyRules

            The original roger (2):
            The recent discovery of washed up debris, that came specifically from the MH 370 aircraft, confirms the NZ explanation.

            All I did was put together the abundant evidence about the MB, the Anwar Ibrahim relationship with the captain, and the trial date and verdict, to deduce the motive, and how that interlocked with the opportunity to hijack.

            Qawadiri was at least peripherally involved, because he was friends with Anwar Ibrahim, and he would know MB experts who knew how to hijack.

            Media attention = zero.

        • michaelofsydney

          Wow thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was hijacked.
          You know what they say:

          If the mountain won’t come to Mohammad, then Mohammad must hijack a plane and fly it into the mountain.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            LOL, gr8 line. Of if no mountains are available maybe a couple of buildings?

          • DemocracyRules

            michael:
            Thanks. A funny joke, horrible and painful, but funny.

        • delilahdriver

          I was under the impression that the pilot was the regularly scheduled man. Are you saying that the hijacker was a passenger who bought his ticket that very day?

          • DemocracyRules

            deliladriver:
            Thanks for your interest. Yes, the pilot did it, and he was a regularly- scheduled pilot. He planned the hijacking out very carefully, with an airline simulator he build from computers in his basement. Of course, as close ‘friends’ with Anwar Ibrahim, the pilot knew well in advance about the trial date, and what the verdict would be. He was able to attend the trial, then get to the airport. He hijacked the aircraft by himself (although there were two young male Iranians on board with false passports, who may have provided backup muscle.)

            Mainly, the pilot disabled the copilot, then turned left and rose to about 45,000 ft, and depressurized the cabin. The pilot has his own oxygen supply, but all the the others would have passed away within about 5 minutes. He turned left again, probably re-pressurized, and headed out over the Indian ocean. He flew his death plane for hours, and finally, into the sea, after his fuel ran out.

      • notislam

        Islam thrives on gossip-lies-disgusting behaviors in every way possible-and every possible corruption available.

        • DemocracyRules

          notislam:
          I agree, and we can expect that to continue indefinatley. The Bible, New and Old Testament, tells us to be honest and straight up with people. We are told not to bear false witness, not to lie, and to not permit deception by misdirection or partial concealment of the truth.

          The religion of Northern Europeans was Odin-ism, with Odin, Thor, Freya, and those gods. For them, the only way to get to Valhalla (heaven) was to keep your oaths, and die valorously in battle. The Nordic peoples are still like that about honesty. Every year, corruption experts find that Northern Europeans are the largest group of honest of countries.

          But that was never part of Arab and Muslim culture. To lie and deceive is nothing. So we will have to teach them. I think of honesty as an epidemic, that started in Israel and the North, and is slowly spreading across the planet.

          reference: Transparency International

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Islam systematically allows muslims to violate every law or moral that the rest of humanity has developed.

    • DemocracyRules

      Bad Blood (2)
      From a BBC review of Khairat al-Shater from 2013.
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-17583661.
      The article appeared after the MB took over the Egyptian government. Apparently, they got a $3.2 billion loan from the IMF. Khairat al-Shater controlled that money.
      From the BBC article:
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Egypt candidate: Muslim Brotherhood’s Khairat al-Shater

      In recent months, the millionaire businessman has developed the Brotherhood’s economic policy and met the International Monetary Fund (IMF) team that is negotiating a $3.2bn loan facility with the government.

      He has also represented the Muslim Brotherhood at meetings with ambassadors, visiting foreign officials and international investors.

      However, he has also said that the recent election results – which led to a parliament dominated by Islamists – indicate that the Egyptian people support an Islamic state.

      “There is a current within the Brotherhood that is closer to the [conservative] Salafists,” says Mustafa al-Zahran, an expert on Islamist political movements. “Khairat al-Shatar is leading this.”
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      More thick, gooey, dark connections here:
      http://shoebat.com/2013/09/19/clintons-brotherhood-employee-tied-al-shater/

      Tell me again that Hillary is not up to her neck in the MB.

      • The origional roger

        Hillary also put muscle onto the Coptic leader in Egypt to prevent the Copts from organising resistance to the MB.

    • Richard

      How could Gehad-El-Haddad be a Muslim Brotherhood go-between when commenter NickandLynds has indignantly assured us that Haddad is an Orthodox Christitan name? (/sarcasm)

      Apparently NickandLynds was either mistaken or practicing taqiyya. This, by the way, is a reach back to the comments on “FAKED HATE: MUSLIM CHARGED with ANTI-MUSLIM BOMB Threat to Dearborn High School” five days ago.

    • Steve Brown

      Great blog. CNN-FOX-MSNBC- LIMBAUGH- and the rest of the media should go 1000 layers deep into this story. Don’t hold your breath.

      • DemocracyRules

        Steve:
        Yeah, I agree. The center-right media are better than the leftist baloney merchants. But neither side digs deep enough, sticks with stories long enough, and digs to the bottom. In casual talk, a US intelligence officer told a questioner, “If you want to know what we know, read the internet.”

        I used to co-author a website that had 25% of the webs visits coming from Reston Virginia. Google has offices there, and many intelligence analysts live and work near there. Funny. They were finding out what’s going on by reading our website.

  • Infoseek

    Where’s the proof Huma Abedin is her lover?

    • SCREW SOCIALISM

      Ask Carlos Danger.

    • DemocracyRules

      Infoseek:
      Please see my comments elsewhere on this thread. If you google ‘Hillary lesbian’ you will find abundant evidence. Some of it is hearsay, or rumor mongering. But there is quite a bit of direct evidence that indicates Hillary and Huma have been sexually and romantically involved for decades.

  • conan_drum

    Let us hope this torpedoes her chances of nomination

  • itchy

    I very much agree with you Glen Saunders even more after watching 13 Hours the movie on the Benghazi attacks. Her and that obama should be shot twice for treason for holding back help for the Embassy and the compound with trapped American personnel. And idiots want to Elect her……… O.M.G

  • Honkingeese Watchgoose lll

    I hope you Americans get it right this time, an Australian Goose is hoping you will so hard his plumage is suffering. We kinda depend on you a bit….well , a lot.

    • michaelofsydney

      And please get out of your economic woes. Australia is currently for sale and is being sold to China….much rather you lot buy it.

      • ljm4

        well, consider how much of America China is buying or has already purchased. We are owned in so many ways. God help us…

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        I’d rather live in the PRC than any islamic state — incl. Dearbornistan, Michigan.

  • Drew the Infidel

    Just another in Obhammud’s long unbroken string of failures.

  • billwhit

    Hillary Clinton needs to be brought to Justice! She is the epitome of evilness and anyone who cannot see it needs to pull their head out of their butts! And her evil girlfriend, Huma Abedin, needs to see the inside of a prison cell for the next few decades also! Obama and Hillary were both wanted Criminals in Egypt for supporting the Terrorist Group, the Muslim Brotherhood, and I bet money they are still wanted criminals! Notice how Egypt just dropped out of the news after they stated they wanted to bring Hillary and Obama up on charges of inciting Treason within their country! We should send both of them there and let them face Execution, as they deserve!

    • I suggest that you get your affairs in order as you might be getting a knock on your door by the FBI and taken away in shackles for posting that photo.

      • billwhit

        Have you never heard of Free Speech? No one is going to be knocking on anyone’s door, especially over a photo like this! Of course, if your a Leftist Idiot, you may be wishing I would be arrested for it, but, as grandma used to say, defecate in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills first! I just pray I live long enough to enjoy reading Obama’s obituary! That will be a great day for, not only America, but the World! Oh, I worked for the DOJ for years, so I know the system pretty well. And if you enjoyed that one, what about this one?

        • Photo like what? The one with a noose around the Current Executive’s neck.

          I’m only telling you that you CAN expect the FBI to interpret that as a threat to their boss.

          Your hysterical response was a hoot. Thanks for entertainment.

          And what does, “your Leftist Idiot” mean? Whose Leftist Idiot? Yours or mine? Or someone else?

          • ljm4

            On FOX, your comment would get you banned, booted and censored. I’ve tried posting quotes form the prophet mohammed and the founder of the muslim brotherhood and am dis-allowed. The truth is an iffy thing while we have BHO as our pospotus.

          • billwhit

            Sounds like you a very ill informed Fool, thinking the FBI is going to come knocking on my door! I can imagine that your hoping so, since I apparently don’t bow down and lick Obama’s shoes like you do! Enjoy playing the Coward in Life, afraid to speak out or post a photo because your afraid the government will do something! That is called Pure Cowardice! Please, don’t ever join the military, we need Men, not Cowards!

          • DemocracyRules

            billwhit:
            I think you have good points, but so do the other critics. A useful aphorism is, “keep your mouth shut and your powder dry”. If anything should happen to Obama, for any reason, I would not want you or me to be a suspect. And calling for Obama’s demise invites the same treatment for conservative politicians.

            Consider the fate of Larry Sinclair, the ex-lover of Obama, who outed him at a National Press Club meeting. He was arrested at the podium on absurd charges, and has spent his life ever since, constantly on the move in a RV.

            I don’t want that to happen to you, I would rather have you beside me, shoulder to shoulder, when the stuff hits the fan.

          • billwhit

            Nice of you to be concerned, but this old disabled Vet will be there fighting beside my fellow Patriots if the SHTF. I will continue to post images of the same sort and if Queen Hussein Obama or his lapdogs don’t like it, they can come and talk to me about it, until then, I will continue to carry on as usual! Once again, thanks for the concern, but the leaves will fall where they will. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c6e685c8bbbcab1873276fd5984bd34ded5e68389dce9c82009547aec2d8037.jpg

          • Yes, you have me all figured out. Congratulations.

        • Richard

          They sure did enjoy this target at my nearby indoor range. I think my choice of targets really helped my aim.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c1239f0412ba71cc443f6fefbe47dc3398f9ca440906e65ff8f0e238c8e2ecf8.jpg

          38 special at combat distance.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            25 yards?

          • Richard

            Closer to eight or ten. I believe combat distance for handguns is generally considered to be seven yards. I know most target competition for handguns is at 25 yards but if you spend much time at an indoor range you’ll see most people shooting a lot closer.
            I remember one day I watched the target in the next lane take a first shot right on the cross hairs, which I though was so impressive that I took a glimpse around the side board to see what my neighbor was shooting. It was a scoped 22 target pistol. All of a sudden a dead on bulls eye at close range wasn’t impressive.
            I shot this target offhand with my 6″ GP100 while I was still getting accustomed to the gun. Open sights of course.

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Good group.

  • harbidoll

    Wait-she was just Following Orders!!! The state dept. & all of EU is “collaborating” with the Gulf States! They are handing cities (no go zones) over to the Musl. as well as all the people (girls) & loot therin!.

    • harbidoll

      who, among the Repubs do you think could stand up to the muslims & their wealth, stealth & terror?

      • ljm4

        Dr Carson Will.

        • Richard

          As much as I respect Dr. Carson you must realize that he is moments from throwing in the towel. It is now clearly between Trump, Rubio, and Cruz.

          • DemocracyRules

            Richard:
            I agree. And in this case, a quote from special forces expert Col. Hackworth applies. “If you find yourself in a fair fight, there was something wrong with your mission plan.” It’s not about “standing up to” Islamists. The question is, who can defeat them? Ben Carson probably could not do that. I think Trump would try. He likes a good fight, and he likes to win.

            But the Islamist influences in Washington are so ubiquitous, so tangled, and so dangerous, I think only the combination of the American people and the State governments could prevail.

            Trump could not do it on his own. When this MB moneybags Khairat al-Shater was in jail in Egypt for multiple murders, John McCain went to Egypt personally on a mission to get Khairat al-Shater out of prison. Smelly? You bet.

  • Huey

    Eternity writhing & screaming in the unimaginable, inescapable torments of hell awaits the Clintons. They long ago traded their souls for it so as to ‘enjoy’ a brief time of unrestrained perverted bisexuality, stolen money, private jets & imagined control over the lives of others. When angels of the Living God separate His sheep from satans goats at the Great White Throne, the Clintons will surely be among those horned ones bleating in absolute terror as they hear ‘Depart from ye accursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil & his angels.’

  • Gordon Miller

    Does anyone out there have evidence of any kind that Huma Abedin is Hillary’s lover? If so, would you please report it here. Thank you.

    • DemocracyRules

      Gordon:
      Please see my comments elsewhere on this thread. There is so much evidence, it would fill up this comment thread if I cited it all.

  • Up Huff

    The Muslim Brotherhood was considered a terrorist organization at that time, so why were they even communicating with them, let alone talking about “investing” with them!
    Just more perfidy from Clinton and Obama.

  • Stephen Honig

    Huma and Hillary, the lesbians are going around the world today in more than one way. However, this is stated about Huma’s mother and it’s bullshit: “Recently, it has been alleged that Huma, a Muslim American, is part of a
    nefarious conspiracy to harm the United States by unduly influencing
    U.S. foreign policy at the Department of State in favor of the Muslim
    Brotherhood and other Islamist causes. These sinister accusations rest
    solely on a few unspecified and unsubstantiated associations of members of Huma’s family,
    none of which have been shown to harm or threaten the United States in
    any way. These attacks on Huma have no logic, no basis, and no merit.
    And they need to stop now.” Bullshit, not true. The mother is part of the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope that Trump brings this out when it’s just him and her and he unleashes medieval on her.

    • DemocracyRules

      Stephen:
      And in the Hillary-Huma email exchanges, Huma is seen trying to get Hillary to hire and promote more of the associates of Huma. Since Huma is connected to the MB in many ways, this would not be good for the USA.

  • Gleaner1

    The picture of Clinton hugging that women is not her alleged lover, it’s of the former political prisoner of the Burmese military junta Aung sang Su Ky, she just won elections, now she’s been barred from president because she is the window of an Englishman.

    • DemocracyRules

      Gleaner1:
      Yes, the photo is of Hillary and Aung San Suu Kyi [aka, Su Chee)] of Burma (Myanmar). The two spent some time together, often hugging and being close. I won’t speculate on the sexual orientation of Su Chee, but I know that she is very intelligent, very politic, and knows how to give people what they want.

      Also, in spite of all the hugs and kisses, Su Chee is no angel. She leads the opposition against the Generals who run Burma. But she is close to being a communist. Behind that smile and the flowers in her hair, if Su Chee took power, Burma might be worse off.

      Hillary either doesn’t know or doesn’t care.

  • Denae Leigh Armstrong

    I hadn’t really thought about Huma being Hillary’s lover. I knew Bill said she preferred women to men as lovers. Does anyone have any evidence or proof that she has had an affair with Huma? I’d love to know where to read more about that.
    Also, I believe Hillary could be one of the most destructive forces EVER (maybe second to Obama) for this nation and our fight against radical Islam. She will allow them to infiltrate our government even more than they already have. Our country is going to fall soon. Just look at all of the various economic and moral reasons for the fall of Rome. We are headed down the same path. I hope I’m long dead and gone to heaven when it happen.

    • Jack

      I think it’s a case narcissist meets narcissist We know what Hillary wants. I believe her partner is a mole

    • DemocracyRules

      Denae:
      Interesting question.Hillary was identified as a lesbian by other lesbian women as soon as she appeared in the public eye. Just as gay men have ‘gaydar’, lesbians can also spot women who prefer same-sex relationships.

      There is a lot of evidence that Huma and Hillary are a couple. Huma, of course, is very attractive. In spite of all the feminist hype, lesbians prefer attractive partners, with nice bodies. The two met at the White House, when Huma was an intern there. They spent time together, and Hillary promoted Huma. They have worked very closely ever since, over decades.

      Hillary has no real intimate relationship with Bill. They appear to have always had an ‘open marriage’ . In LBGT parlance, Bill is Hillary’s ‘beard’. Their marriage helps hide Hillary’s same sex relationships.

      • DemocracyRules

        Twins…

        • DemocracyRules

          Confidantes…

          • DemocracyRules

            Media obsession with Huma’s beauty. Huma was a minor civil servant when she was featured in this way. Donald Rumsfeld doesn’t get photo-spreads like this.

          • DemocracyRules

            People who are intimate and spend a lot of time together often have similar thoughts at the same time. These two show the same emotion.

          • DemocracyRules

            A former Miss Arkansas and lover of Bill Clinton relates that according to Bill, Hillary preferred female lovers. When Daily Mail Online visited Sally Miller at her Arkansas home, she said she had been stalked, spied upon and plagued by anonymous phone calls since word of her memoir leaked out. “Let’s just get down to the facts,” said Miller. “Firstly, Bill didn’t mind telling me that Hillary doesn’t like sex…Hillary is a lesbian.”

            “I take him at his word and he told me she liked females more than men. She was the child of a more progressive community. She was exposed to all the liberals, she was a flower child.

            Hillary does drugs too, that’s the only time that she would entertain the idea – again, this is what Bill told me.”

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427366/He-frilly-nightie-danced-playing-sax-Former-Miss-Arkansas-says-Bill-Clinton-bed-confided-Hillary-sex-women-fears-Hillary-vendetta-sleeps-loaded-semi-automatic.html#ixzz41fFD7dO3

          • DemocracyRules

            Denae Leigh Armstrong:
            Is that enough evidence? Please reply to this comment if you would like more. I don’t want to fill up this whole comment thread with my comments!

          • Steve

            Keep posting these in other places too. That family is the epitome of obscene as a reflection on our country.

          • DemocracyRules

            These photos also indicate that both Hillary and Huma have certain physiological characteristics that are more common in lesbians than in the general female population.

    • Steve

      That entire religion is f*****up. And that scandal witch is going to make us “whole”. The clintons are the epitome of an obscene family in every way.

  • IzlamIsTyranny

    The AO-hell website has been stumping for Shillariah.

    • Jack

      Your point?

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Um, why is AO-hell stumping for any candidate at all?

  • Mr Paul Middleton

    Anyone who keeps up with Pamela’s site knows that at many levels the US has supported the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood both implicitly and explicitly. Now these same weasels are busy tunnelling to undermine Trump, but looks like (fingers crossed) the US’ citizenry has rumbled it.

    • Jack

      2-Thumbs Up

  • Mahou Shoujo

    She is now a culinary icon.

    • Richard

      That’s awesome, I’m stealing it!

      • Mahou Shoujo

        You can have, it, her , the chicken, go wild, party naked… as engineers are wont to do.

  • Steve

    She is a miserable traitor to our country and to god just like her partner in crime.

  • IzlamIsTyranny

    Go Sanders go!

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