“If…Koranic passages encourage terrorism…every Muslim would be a terrorist”

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Out of the mouths of …. burkas:

“If…Koranic passages encourage terrorism…every Muslim would be a terrorist” By Robert Spencer, January 26, 2016:

Tareena Shakil went to live under a government that has repeatedly vowed the mass murder of British civilians. If she had gone to live in Nazi Germany in 1940, would she be allowed back into Britain with the simple avowal that she “made a mistake”? If, furthermore, Twitter had existed then and she had followed on Twitter numerous Nazi leaders, and retweeted Nazi slogans, would anyone have any doubt about what she is?

What an absurd age we live in. Note that she didn’t just tweet Qur’anic passages; she tweeted Qur’anic passages juxtaposed with photos of jihadis. If the Qur’an does indeed encourage terrorism, then every Muslim would not be a terrorist, no. Only every Muslim with piety sufficient enough to move him to decide to obey the Qur’anic injunctions to commit violence against unbelievers.

Tareen Shakil

“British Mum Denies IS Tweets Were Terrorism,” by Tom Parmenter, Sky News, January 25, 2016:

A young British mother charged with joining so-called Islamic State in Syria has clashed in court with a prosecutor over whether she encouraged terrorism through her social media updates.

Tareena Shakil, 26, fled the West Midlands in 2014 and took her baby son to live in the IS stronghold of Raqqa.

A few months later she returned to the UK saying she realised she had “made a mistake”.

She denies joining the terrorist group and has told Birmingham Crown court she simply wanted to take her son to live a better life in the caliphate.

Prosecutor Sean Larkin QC questioned her repeatedly about why she followed people on Twitter who have celebrated IS fighters.

Shakil replied: “How am I responsible for their actions? I am only responsible for my own.”

She was asked why she retweeted messages that blended phrases from the Koran and images of groups of jihadi fighters.

She replied: “If you are saying Koranic passages encourage terrorism … if that is the case every Muslim would be a terrorist.”

“Where is the messages where I encourage any act of terrorism, where are the messages where I glorify any act of terrorism?” she asked the prosecutor.

At one point during their feisty exchange Sean Larkin QC said: “If you don’t mind I will ask the questions and you give the answers Miss Shakil.”

Shakil argued that she had not directly tweeted support for IS terrorists – particularly when she was actually in Raqqa.

She said: “If it (inciting terrorism) was my intention I would have been doing it when I was in the capital of the Islamic State – I wasn’t.”…

  • Yummy With A Spoon

    This lady is clearly lying to and bullshitting the prosecutor.

    • Dr. Doomsday

      She looks so.. compassionate and kind too.. ;)

      • TheShadowmaster

        She has the same look that Nazis had under Hitler. Arrogant and sadistic.

  • BrunoPBuhr

    Execute all monsters associated with the Islamic terrorist group Isis. They are a continuing threat to humanity and all that is decent. They not only advocate genocide, they are guilty of it. Anyone who associates with Isis is guilty of war crimes against humanity they should be executed their bodies burned and disposed of at sea. No mercy for adherents or participants. Changing your mind after participation or support relieves no guilt, offers no mercy. Mosques that have lied about members participation should be destroyed their leaders arrested for support of an Islamic terrorist organization.

  • Europe: you are dead… Governments take guns away from its Citizens… The Governments brings in animals to kill the Citizens the government took the guns from …. Soon the animals will kill the Governments who let them in … this is how you commit suicide….

    • jlv

      Hi Bob509,

      FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims

      http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/12/175512/fbi-says-94-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-us-since-1980-are-by-non-muslims-2/

      New York – According to the FBI, 94 percent percent of terrorists attacks in the United States since 1980 were perpetrated by non-Muslims.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAtkS-8xZs

      Islam – The Fastest Growing Religion in the World in peace…none of the millions converts to islam was forced..

      • Marc Goldstone

        A ridiculous statistic given that the number of Muslims in the general population is so small.

        • albertasaurus

          If anything, muslims are punching way above their weight, by numbers. That is even after so many attacks in the name of Allah are merely otherwise classified.

          • jbe

            Hi albert,

            Thanks for not denying that 94 percent percent of terrorists attacks in the United States since 1980 were perpetrated by non-Muslims.

            24 Hard Facts About 9/11 That Cannot Be Debunked …

            http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/18/24-hard-

            Here is a list of 24 facts that cannot be debunked about 9/11. 1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. … Collective Evolution (CE) …

            ISIS is enemy of Islam… ISIS Executes 13 Sunni Clerics for Refusal To Join Them

            http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-executes-13-sunni-clerics-refusal-join-them

            ISIS executing Sunni Muslim clerics for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/16/muslims-hate-isis-most-of-all.html

            ISIS has killed thousands of Muslims across the Middle East, including beheading Sunni Muslims in Iraq for failing to pledge loyalty to them, executing Imams for not submitting to them, and even killing an Imam in Iraq for simply denouncing them.

            does the quran say kill christians and jews? yusuf estes …

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MoRTfS75X8

            New Convert to Islam 2015 in Australia UK USA EU Belgium Spain Russia

            Hundreds of thousand of Christians converting to … – YouTube

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNGDBiC5Jk8

          • albertasaurus

            Thankyou for your interesting exercise in mendacity and deflection. No, I strongly dispute the claim of peaceful islam. Islam only came to fruition through warfare. Your hadith make it very clear that one of a muslim’s highest duties is jihad in the form of religious warfare until the entire world is islamic. Your prophet even credits terror for his early successes. He also encouraged sex slave as jihad booty. The trouble with the FBI statistic is that it is very misleading since, you know, that Obama strains against reality to try to foster an image of a peaceful islam which has never existed anywhere on this planet by having far too high a criteria to classify an attack as terrorism. More proof of this is in how muslims routinely slaughter muslims for being of the wrong flavor of islam as you evidently acknowledge. Further, why rely on the misleading FBI claim and limit your enquiry to U.S. muslims which, thankfully, are still relatively few in number. Look at all the crap your brethren are doing daily around the world. See thereligionofpeace.com which keeps a running tally. The problem for “peaceful” muslims is that the ISIS types are actually following doctrine in a very true fashion. 9/11 truther myths don’t help your argument.

          • jbe

            Hi albert,

            ISIS is clearly againts Islam because they killed the most respected persons in Islam such as Iman, Clerics and other muslims on daily basis..

            “Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

            Muslims and non muslims live and work together peacefully.

            There are thousands of non muslims working in oil and gas industries and they got good pay. Muslims and non muslims working together peacefully to ensure continual oil and gas supply to the whole world.

            So many non muslims live in muslims countries and they are free to practice their religion peacefully. So many has became billionaires and millionaires.

            https://www.imoney.my/articles/top-10-richest-men-in-malaysia-2015

            For example : In Malaysia (majority muslims country) there is the largest Hindu temple (Batu Caves) outside India since decades ago. gigantic golden Lord Murugan statue – the prominent attraction there. The gigantic statue is more than 42 meters high.

            http://etramping.com/worlds-most-beautiful-temples/

            Furthermore, so many US and Western companies have their business operations in so many muslim countries since decades ago. Muslims and non muslims work together peacefully as required in Islam teaching. US and Western companies have made multi billions of profit from their business activities in muslims countries peacefully.

            “Islam is a missionary religion since 1400 years ago and many Muslim organisations and particularly university students’ Islamic societies have active outreach programmes designed to remove popular misconceptions about the faith.”

            Today the fastest growing religion in Western countries in Islam. Which muslims army was sent to force Westerners to accept Islam in such large numbers?

            Look back to history, The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia…and there were never any battles fought there! Islam is spread by Indonesian scholars in peaceful manner.

            In Malaysia, Islam was spread by Islamic traders hundreds of year ago in peacefully manner.

            Chinese Muslims have been in China for the last 1,400 years of continuous interaction with Chinese society in peaceful manner. “Islam expanded gradually across the maritime and inland silk routes from the 7th to the 10th centuries through trade and diplomatic exchanges.

            24 Hard Facts About 9/11 That Cannot Be Debunked

            http://topinfopost.com/2013/08/13/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked

            1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. ‘Niels Harrit’, ‘Thermite Bentham’, “The great thermate debate” Jon Cole, ‘Iron rich spheres’ Steven Jones, ‘Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)’. ‘Nano Tubes’

            2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911′, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.

            3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.

            http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/02/19/fbi-terrorism-and-the-false-flag-war/

            FBI Terrorism and the False Flag War

            Contractors Reap $138 Billion from Iraq War, Cheney’s Halliburton #1 with $39.5 Billion

            http://leaksource.info/2013/04/08/contractors-reap-138-billion-from-iraq-war-cheneys-halliburton-1-with-39-5-billion/

          • Phleb

            Hello Abd.

          • albertasaurus

            Hi:

            As with most muslim apologists, you misquote a snippet of quran 5:32. That noble statement was a directive towards Jews. It is followed by the usually vicious statement to muslims to slaughter or dismember those who would defy your prophet or God. What a puny, insecure view of faith of a god.

            I don’t know anything about the spread of islam in the far east. However, the spread of islam in the Middle East is nothing but a history of religious genocide and conquest. The terrorist Muhammed began first by staging a coup d’etat against the helpers in Medina, followed by the continual caravan raids against the Quraysh who would have preferred to simply ignore the upstart, obnoxious muslims.

            As far as living peacefully amongst others, that is plainly false. The Pact of Omar made it clear that other faiths could not openly worship, proselytize, or build new houses of worship. The quran or hadith, I am not sure which, requires that there be no non-muslims on the Arab Peninsula. Then there is the issue of dhimmitude. Further, there is the inconvenient truth that much of what is now islamic territory was Christian before the muslim forcibly took it. Then there are the constant exhortations of hatred to non-muslims in the quran along with the large part of hadiths dedicated to jihad as violent genocide of non-muslims.

            Judging by what you are saying, it is doubtful that you have even read your doctrine or islamic history and instead seem to concentrate on apologetics and conspiracy theories to help you avert your eyes from the blatantly ugly thing called islam.

            I know you want to believe that you are a good person and that somehow it is islam that makes you a good person. Unfortunately, the doctrine and history of islam only prove that islam subverts what is good in humanity for the sole purpose of spreading the faith. In short, it is not possible to be a good person and a fundamentalist muslim. I don’t know how you square that circle, but would be interested to hear how you do it.

          • jab

            Hi Albert,

            Your Question : Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality since the Qur’an says that Muslims should kill the kuffar (Non-Muslim) where ever they find them?

            Answer

            A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.

            1. Verse from Surah Taubah

            The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:

            “Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them.”

            [Al-Qur’an 9:5]

            2. Context of verse is during battlefield

            Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:

            “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.”

            [Al-Qur’an 9:5]

            This verse is quoted during a battle.

            3. Example of war between America and Vietnam

            We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.

            4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle

            Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.

            5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7

            Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.

            6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer

            Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

            “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”

            [Al-Qur’an 9:6]

            The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

            This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.

            There are 1.6 billions muslims around the world and Arabs only represents 20% from all muslims population.

            There is no compulsion in Islam. Currently, there are about 20 millions Arabs Coptic Christian alive peacefully in Arabs world. They can be easily wipe out from Arabs world since long time ago if Islam practice compulsion.

            Bases on Christian teaching : Can you tell me how come Jesus pbuh is 100 % God but at the same time 100 % human.

            Jay Smith got destroyed by Dr.Shabir Ally on the Trinity and the Christian Concept of the Atonement

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJmqmHMXZqQ

          • albertasaurus

            Hi jbe:

            Thank you again for another excellent demonstration of muslim mendacity.

            First, I don’t care whether Jesus is man or god. That is not at all relevant to our discussion. It does illustrate the interesting observation that muslim apologists are always desperate to make that argument, I guess, out of a insecurity over their own faith. If Jesus were God, then the status of muhammed is much diminished.

            Back to our issue at hand. Your deception is exposed by reading 9:4. Clearly, there, Allah (or muhammed) says that, except for those pagans whom muslims have a treaty with that has been honored, then after the appropriate waiting period, go out and slaughter them for the mere crime of not being believers. Quite a different thing from what you are putting out. It also further illustrates the pathetic god that islam has created that He is so weak and insecure that he cannot tolerate disbelievers and needs his little helpers on earth to do his killing. This passage is even more striking since Allah (or muhammed) claims that Allah has predetermined who will or will not be a believer. So, Allah, then is wickedly cruel for punishing those who are merely believing as Allah has predetermined they should believe. What a prick! Further, 9:6 doesn’t help your argument since, further down in 9:11, those captives are required to convert. The usual compulsion in islam.

            No compulsion in islam – what a huge stinking pile of mendacity. Islam has death penalties for apostasy, blasphemy, and adultery (but only for women). It has forced conversions wherever it conquers. It very tightly restricts religious practice of other faiths wherever they exist in muslim lands. It has declared women to be like cattle or prisoners and heaps most suffering on women and girls accordingly to very tightly control their mating choices. In fact, slavery is still practiced in parts of the muslim world – often in the case of sex slaves. Then, islam is further used to justify niqabs, burkas, honor killings of females and genital mutilation to again control their mating behavior. Then, too, there are very severe controls on what muslims, or even others, can say or think without penalty because they believe islam is so fragile a thing that it cannot withstand any real scrutiny. So, does that look like a picture of “no compulsion in religion” to you? To the rest of the world, it looks like a horrible, dark, ugly totalitarian system. The fact that muslims are commanded to love Allah more than their own families and to love the afterlife more than their own real lives is yet another strong example of compulsion. How sad. The cruelty in islam just goes on from there – no music, no art (except for repeating patterns), and cruelty to animals and for some sick reason, especially dogs.

            Now, another example of your mendacity that is typical of apologists, is to rely on snippets of quran only when you know very well that islam is mostly based on the hadiths which expand on a very, very corrupt belief system that preys upon all others as well as women and children. (How do you get around the uncomfortable problem of muhammed’s paedophelia?) There, too, it is difficult to see how you can ignore the vastness of the ugliness in those documents.

            So, the problem is not my unsophisticated understanding of your faith. It is, in fact, the reality of the doctrine. The plain meaning of it is obvious and only with a sophisticated exercise in deception can it become something else. The end product of this is that there will forever be ISIS and Al Qaeda type muslims out there doing what they do to fulfill the literal meaning of the word.

            So, to me, a far more interesting discussion with you would be to hear how you think islam makes you a better person. To most observers of islam who are not muslim, islam only seems to bring out the worst in people. How have you reconciled its ugly commandments with your better nature?

          • jbe

            Hi albert,

            Islam was spread peacefully in Western world and US since decades ago peacefully.

            “Islam is a missionary religion since 1400 years ago and many Muslim organisations and particularly university students’ Islamic societies have active outreach programmes designed to remove popular misconceptions about the faith.”

            Look back to history, The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia…and there were never any battles fought there! Islam is spread by Indonesian scholars in peaceful manner.

            In Malaysia, Islam was spread by Islamic traders hundreds of year ago in peacefully manner.

            Chinese Muslims have been in China for the last 1,400 years of continuous interaction with Chinese society in peaceful manner. “Islam expanded gradually across the maritime and inland silk routes from the 7th to the 10th centuries through trade and diplomatic exchanges.

            If we look at history (about 700 years ago) Muslims ruled a part of Europe as Spain was one of the largest Islamic societies of Europe. Queen Isabella and her husband Ferdinand are buried in Alhambra surrounded with the verses from the Holy Quran. It was revealed that

            Muslims conquered Spain within four years without any bloodshed or violence. At that time the Visigoths were very impressed by the Muslims and their peace, they happily accepted their invitation to Islam and also their rule. The history tells that Muslims translated Greek scripts, they introduced paper in Europe. Muslims were the first ones to perform surgeries over human bodies, which was then
            common in Europe few centuries later. Alchemy, Algebra and astronomy are all Muslim inventions along with farming, practicing laws and providing trade contracts. The first university of the world was founded by a Muslim woman Fatima al Fihri which still exists in Morocco and is known by University of Al Karaouine.

            ISIS is not Islam,

            http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u

            Busted : ISIS Leader ‘Al-Baghdadi’ Is A ‘Jewish Mossad Agent’ – French Report

            With the US, Britain, and other coalition members seemingly egging them on,

            Saudi Arabia has reiterated its plans to send ground troops to Syria to “fight ISIS.”

            http://news.antiwar.com/2016/0

            ISIS using weapons made in Israel

            http://www.hangthebankers.com/

            Last month, it was reported that Iraqi counter-terrorism forces arrested four foreign military advisors from the United States and Israel, who were allegedly aiding ISIL.

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            ISIS is enemy of Islam,

            ISIS is enemy of Islam… ISIS Executes 13 Sunni Clerics for Refusal To Join Them

            http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-executes-13-sunni-clerics-refusal-join-them

            ISIS executing Sunni Muslim clerics for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/16/muslims-hate-isis-most-of-all.html

            ISIS has killed thousands of Muslims across the Middle East, including beheading Sunni Muslims in Iraq for failing to pledge loyalty to them, executing Imams for not submitting to them, and even killing an Imam in Iraq for simply denouncing them.

            FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims

            http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/12/175512/fbi-says-94-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-us-since-1980-are-by-non-muslims-2/

            New York – According to the FBI, 94 percent percent of terrorists attacks in the United States since 1980 were perpetrated by non-Muslims.

          • albertasaurus

            I see that once again you have failed to address the points I raised. My guess is that there is no defense to them that does not make one look foolish.

            The muslim “golden age” is another fiction of muslim apologists. In fact, many of those “muslim” scientists were persecuted for apostasy or blasphemy and did what they did in spite of being situated in muslim territories. It is a complete fiction that somehow muslims saved the West by preserving ancient Greek manuscripts. If anything, muslims assisted in the decline of the West by their constant predations on the West. If anything, Charlemagne and the Byzantiums preserved those ancient writings and were in no need of muslim assistance. None of this alleged culture of enlightenment exists anywhere in the muslim world today and that is very good evidence that it never was, in fact, part of muslim culture. How could it be with such a backward, insecure belief system?

            The fact remains that islam was born in warfare and that the quran and hadith are largely devoted to whipping up hatred for the others why providing doctrinal support for a vicious, perpetual campaign against everyone else. Even in those Eastern nations you cited, there are strict conditions on what people can say or do because practically everything good or fun is an insult to the faith. Again, more compulsion in religion.

            So, I would be very happy if you would address some of those points I raised earlier and explain how being a faithful muslim is consistent with being a good person. All I get out of you so far is the usual deceptions and evasions when asked pointed questions. Any belief system so cruel to women, that supports paedophelia, and hates dogs needs to come up with a pretty good argument that it is a religion of peace and tolerance. How about it?

          • jlo

            Hi albert,

            Thanks for not denying that Islam was spread peacefully in China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Spain etc..

            Currently, Islam has became the fastest growing religion in the world and western countries..

            Tell me which muslims army was sent for invasion…?

            White people are the most arrested (Total of 10,977) for committed Rape in 2014 in US – FBI Report.

            https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/c

            Its very pity for American women being rape by mostly WHITE MAN once in less of every 2 minutes…

            Non Muslim countries are Ten Countries With Most Rape Cases in the World 2015 :

            1. India : Asian Continent : Total Cases Report “1, 64,630”:

            2. USA : America Continent : Total Cases Report “11,877,218” :

            3. Russia : European Continent : Total Cases Filled “2,952,370”

            https://www.rainn.org/get-info

            Every 107 seconds, another American is sexually assaulted. Here’s the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)–there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year. There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds

            US also allows early marriage..

            https://globaljusticeinitiativ

            US Minimum marriage Age :

            Massachusetts 12 years old.

            New Hampshire 13 years old.

            Over 350,000 babies are born to teenage mothers every year in the United States, and over 50,000 of these are second babies to teen mothers.[167]

            Over 4% of all underage girls in the UK were teenage mothers

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

            In India, 1.4 million married girls out of 59.2 million girls married in the age 10-14

            Under Islamic law every Raper to be sentenced of death.

            It is also mention in the Bible : Deuteronomy 22:25-27 mentioned the punishment the Mosaic Law commanded for a man who raped a woman. The man was to be killed by stoning while the woman was considered innocent.

            Islam protects women..that’s why women are the most converts to Islam..

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

            How 100,000 Britons have chosen to become Muslim… and average convert is 27-year-old white woman since decades ago.

            The survey, conducted by Kevin Brice from Swansea University, asked converts for their views on the negative aspects of British culture.

            They identified alcohol and drunkenness, a ‘lack of morality and sexual permissiveness’, and ‘unrestrained consumerism’.

            It appears that women are converting to Islam at such rapid rates that they outnumber men 4 to 1, reports a study on female converts to Islam titled “Women and Conversion to Islam: The American Women’s experience.

            Reasons Why Female Converts to Islam Have Increased in the West More and more Americas have converted to Islam, particularly women and I was curious to find out why.

            70,000 Converts to Islam every year in France – YouTube

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Tth6BlyIw

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/12036287/Britain-is-no-longer-a-Christian-country-and-should-stop-acting-as-if-it-is-says-judge.html

            Britain is no longer a Christian country and should stop acting as if it is, says judge

            A major inquiry into the place of religion in modern society has provoked a furious backlash from ministers and the Church of England

            http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/06/2067-the-end-of-british-christianity/

            2067: the end of British Christianity

            Projections aren’t predictions. But there’s no denying that churches are in deep trouble

          • albertasaurus

            Once again you mostly deflect.

            Yes, much of Southeast Asia islamized through conversions due to trading linkages and settlement by muslims. However, India and Pakistan were islamized via repeated invasions in the 8th, 10th and 12th centuries. Since SE Asia traded heavily with India, it was likely advantageous for trade to convert, especially as muslims settled there (another form of invasion, as is happening in the West now).

            Regarding rape, unfortunately, where there are men and women, there will be rape. That overwhelmingly White men rape white women in the U.S. is no surprise since they are the dominant population. So what? They do not do it with religious justification, unlike in islamic societies. Your data are unreliable given that third world statistics on these things are poor and in fact, what is rape in the U.S. is not considered rape, especially under islamic law. For example, in islam, a wife has no right to refuse her husband. A husband forcing himself on his wife is rape in civilized countries. In some islamic republics or monarchies, it is not rape to rape a non-muslim, and it is even permissible to hold non-muslim sex slaves. So, your rape argument fails badly. Further, there is undoubtedly vastly worse underreporting of rapes in muslim countries since under islamic law, a woman claiming rape is usually killed for admitting to adultery. You guys really are quite a sick bunch! Your argument regarding the Old Testament doesn’t help you at all since no Christian country lives by that command. However, since the Old Testament is said to be part of islam, too, it is evident that muslims have embraced the practice of rape as a religious right and even a duty in the spread of the faith.

            Back to the argument of invasion. You know there is more than one way to invade. Muslims conquered all their territories in Europe, Africa, the Middle East and India and Pakistan. Another is through emmigration, another form of jihad, which likely explains a good part of the islamization of SE Asia. You still try to deflect away from the large portions of the Hadith and Quran devoted to either violent jihad or stirring hatred against all others. Nope – there is no case for the notion of islam as a religion of peace. You still have not addressed the doctrinal deficiencies in your argument that islam is peaceful.

            You proudly state again how Westerners are converting to islam. Who knows? For some reason, there will always be some people attracted to vicious totalitarian systems. That was true with communism as it its with islam. It would be interesting to see how people would behave in the muslim world if muslims allowed non-muslims to practice their faith freely and eliminated penalties for proselytizing and apostasy. I would expect the faith to collapse since even in many of those republics, a large portion want nothing to do with Sharia.

            So, how about addressing my arguments for a change instead of holding up not so shiny objects as a distraction, or are you afraid to confront the problems in you faith? I would still love to discuss with you how you think islam assists you in being a good person.

          • jbe

            Hi albert,

            Thanks for not denying that Non Muslim countries are Ten Countries With Most Rape Cases in the World 2015.

            Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that the Bible often condones and even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me.

            Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

            So grab your Bibles and follow along as I show you all the nasty rapes that your priests and preachers don’t want to tell you about. Note that in many places in the Bible there are references to “taking a wife”. Don’t be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to “take” these wives.

            1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

            So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

            The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?

            There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

            Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.’” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.

            Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

            Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. Do you really think God will give such commands ?

            2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

            They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.

            After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

            Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

            IF PROPHETS IN BIBLE IS LIKE THIS THEN WHAT IS THE USE OF CRIMINALS ?

            3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

            As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

            4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

            If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

            5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

            If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

            It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

            6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

            Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’ Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

            7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

            “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

            8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

            They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

            9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

            When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she

            does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to

            sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges

            for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he

            himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her

            as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

            (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

            10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

            Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the

            nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city

            shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

            I’ve provided ample Noble Verses from the Glorious Quran that proved this. And these Noble Verses came AFTER Islam became victorious over the disbelievers, not before. So after the hostile times ended, Allah Almighty Commanded the Muslims to go back to the roots of Islam, which is Justice, Mercy, Kindness, Forgiveness and to show the Love of Allah Almighty to all:

            On Justice:

            “O ye who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 5:8)”

            “God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble

            Quran, 60:8)”

            “…..Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear God: for God is strict in punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:2)”

            “God doth command you to render back your Trusts to those to whom they are due; And when ye judge between man and man, that ye judge with justice: Verily how excellent is the teaching which He giveth you! For God is He Who heareth and seeth all things. (The Noble Quran, 4:58)”

            “O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both….. (The Noble Quran, 4:135)”

            On Islam being “Jew Hating” (David Wood made this claim):

            “Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (The Noble Quran, 7:159)”

            “It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to God’s will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of God’s book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers. (The Noble Quran, 5:44)”

            “Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 2:62)”

            On Mercy and Forgiveness:

            Let’s see Islam’s Golden Rule and the Noble Verses that deal with Forgiving and Forgetting the faults of others:

            “Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for God loves those who do good;- (The Noble Quran, 3:134)”

            “Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; But turn away from the ignorant. (The Noble Quran, 7:199)”

            “We created not the heavens, the earth, and all between them, but for just ends. And the Hour is surely coming (when this will be manifest). So overlook (any human faults) with gracious forgiveness. (The Noble Quran, 15:85)”

            “But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)”

            “Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them: But forgive and overlook, Till God accomplish His purpose; for God Hath power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:109)”

            “Let not those among you who are endued with grace and amplitude of means resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen, those in want, and those who have left their homes in God’s cause: let them forgive and overlook, do you not wish that God should forgive you? For God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:22)”

            “Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of God: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned. (The Noble Quran, 45:14)”

            The Love of Allah Almighty:

            “They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of God, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive,- (Saying),”We feed you for the sake of God alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks. “We only fear a Day of distressful Wrath from the side of our Lord.” (The Noble Quran, 76:7-10)”

            “But he hath made no haste on the path that is steep. And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?- (It is:) freeing the bondman; Or the giving of food in a day of privation To the orphan with claims of relationship, Or to the indigent (down) in the dust. Then will he be of those who believe, and enjoin patience, (constancy, and self-restraint), and enjoin deeds of kindness and compassion. (The Noble Quran, 90:11-17)”

            “It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and a dversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing. (The Noble Quran, 2:177)”

            “They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -God knoweth it well. (The Noble Quran, 2:215)”

            “And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of aspendthrift. (The Noble Quran, 17:26)”

            If the husband rapes his wife, is that a sin in Islam? Is there any answers to this in the Quran?

            I am not sure if using the word “rape” would be appropriate between the husband and the wife, because as we’ve seen in my Punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam article, the punishment for rape in Islam is stoning to death. This would not apply to the husband who has sexual intercourse with his wife without her will.

            However, Allah Almighty is crystal clear about commanding the Muslim men to sleep properly with their wives. Let us look at the following Noble Verse:

            “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear God. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe. (The Noble Quran, 2:223)”

            In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty allows for the husbands to sleep with their wives, but they MUST fear Allah when they do so. Forcing the wife into sex, or forcing her to do something that she does not desire while sleeping with her would not please Allah Almighty. He warns those men who are sexually mean to their wives that they will meet Him, and everything they do they will be held accountable for it;

            “Then shall anyone who has done an atom’s weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom’s weight of evil, shall see it. (The Noble Quran, 99:7-8)”

            Did Islam Spread by Force?

            While some claim that Islam’s huge population in India is a result of violence and forced conversion, the evidence does not back up this idea at all. Although Muslim leaders replaced Hindu kings in most areas, society was left as is. Stories of forced conversion are very few and often not credible enough to warrant academic discussion.

            If Islam spread through violence and warfare, the Muslim community today in India would exist only in the areas closest to the rest of the Muslim world. Thus only the western part of the subcontinent would have any Muslim population at all.

            Thanks for not denying that Islam was spread to China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, India, Pakistan, Asia peacefully by Traders, Diplomatic ties and Islamic missionary.

            If Islam spread hatred, How come Islam has became the fastest growing religion in the world and western countries.

            In fact 75 % of the converts is Islam is women the most. Because of the Broken society in the Western world.

            Women In Islam: Through Western Eyes – By Lisa Killinger …

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBTD27frFk

          • albertasaurus

            You have done it again. You completely avoided all the arguments I made. The fact is, rape is islamic countries would naturally be underreported since much of what we call rape in the civilized world is legal under islam and rape victims are often killed for reporting the rape. You have chosen repeatedly to evade pointed arguments about your claim that islam is a religion of peace. You seem to believe that since the far east was conquered by islam through trade and immigration that that somehow proves your point. The exception, here, does not prove the rule. Islam was born of violence and conquered the Middle East, North Africa, much of Europe, and even India and Pakistan via jihad. That is the reality. Further, inside islam as well, there is nothing but widespread compulsion to reenforce the faith, such as apostasy and blasphemy laws and laws to prevent the growth of other faiths. It can even be life threatening to openly display Christian symbols on your person in islamic countries. Quite a behavior for a religion of peace that claims there can be no compulsion in religion. So there is no peace inside islam, nor with how islam relates to the rest of the world. The fact is, islam was simply an unnecessary religion that has brought nothing to the world but further unnecessary suffering. Christianity and Judaism were common in the Arab world long before islam and all coexisted more or less peacefully. You could even be a pagan or non believer if you liked. So, if it was about finding God, well, Arabs had that option already. Instead, you all latched onto a rather evil, barbaric man to take you closer to God and unleashed centuries of hardship on the planet with no end in site with the usual behavior that accompanies practically all cults – blind obedience to terrible doctrine and the usual predations on women.

            I don’t feel it is necessary for me to defend or resort to the Old Testament. It is common to all Abrahamic faiths and so any shortcomings are common to all. The difference, however, amongst faiths, is that the muslims have refused to modernize and join civil society. Everyone else can leave behind the barbarism of behavior thousands of years old. Not you guys. Instead, you have reenforced it and rabidly defend it because, usually, your prophet did or said something.

            Since you have misrepresented your doctine in our prior discussions, I don’t care to get into the minutiae of you doctrinal arguments. What is clear from reading the quran and hadiths is that muslims believe the entire world is theirs, that perpetual jihad as warfare is necessary until the entire world is subdued and that all others are to be treated with nothing but contempt if not freely slaughtered by the forces of allah. One has to really cherry pick and use statements out of context to create the fiction of islam as a religion of peace.

            Once again, you did not address the fact that islamic countries do not allow other faiths to flourish. There are very strict limits on their activities because muslims have so little faith in the strength of their beliefs. Instead, as usual, islam is forced and reenforced upon everyone. That some women in the West convert to islam only demonstrates to me that there are always people who are either cruel or stupid.

            So, I have grown tired of dealing with your evasions in the usual manner of muslim apologetics. You don’t even know the history of world that you are advancing as proof of your arguments. I know it must be very hard for people who think themselves to be good people to reconcile their sense of goodness with the teachings of islam. That is because islam is neither good nor necessary. People are good or bad, regardless of religion. Only islam gives religious justification for bad behavior. Enjoy your bile.

          • jbe

            Hi Albert,

            You have done it again. You completely avoided all the arguments I made. The fact is,

            https://rainn.org/statistics

            Reporting to Police (America Statistics)

            68% of sexual assaults are not reported to the police

            98% of rapists will never spend a day in jail

            So, pity to American women being rape by White man once in less than 2 minutes…

            The fact is Non Muslim countries are Ten Countries With Most Rape Cases in the World 2015 which you cannot deny it until now…

            1. India : Asian Continent : Total Cases Report “1, 64,630”:

            2. USA : America Continent : Total Cases Report “11,877,218” :

            3. Russia : European Continent : Total Cases Filled “2,952,370”

            Top 10 Countries In The World With Highest Rape Crime 2015

            sportrichlist.com › Top10

            Islam protects women.. thats why women are the most converts to Islam..

            Under Islamic law every Raper to be sentence of death.

            It is also mention in the Bible : Deuteronomy 22:25-27 mentioned the punishment the Mosaic Law commanded for a man who raped a woman. The man was to be killed by stoning while the woman was considered innocent.

            Matthew 5:17

            “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18″For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…

            Matthew 19:16

            16And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”…

            In order to obtain eternal life.. you must keep the commandment..

            That’s why there are so high criminal in your countries…because to are against the teaching of Jesus pbuh..

            The brutal colonial such as British, Dutch. French etc has conquered most of muslims countries. The colonial has robbed the wealth of muslims countries for hundreds of years. Before give independence, the colonial has made the constitution which favour to them. The colonial also has appointed Secular (anti islam) leader. Muslims are still struggle in their own countries.

            For example Malaysia was under colonial occupation since 1511 until 1957 by Portuge, Dutch and British.

            Who’s the Threat? Western Powers have invaded and Killed Millions of Muslims

            Listening to Newt Gingrich, the great bloviator, go on this morning on the alleged Muslim threat, set me off. Gingrich did his dissertation on Belgian educational policy in the Congo, where he managed to miss the genocide perpetrated by the Europeans. Gingrich knows better, he is just hate-mongering. But since he brought it up, it is Westerners like Gingrich (who supported illegally invading and occupying Iraq, which led to hundreds of thousands of deaths) of whom one might justifiably be a little afraid…

            Western countries invaded, occupied by Muslims, since 1798: Turkey in Cyprus since 1974?

            Muslim countries invaded and occupied by Westerners since 1798: what is now Bangladesh (Britain); Egypt (France), much of Indonesia (Dutch); Algeria (France); Senegal, Mali, Niger, Chad (France); Moroccan Sahara, Ceuta (Spain); what is now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan (Russia); Tunisia (France); Egypt, Sudan (Britain); Morocco (France); Libya (Italy); Palestine and Iraq (Britain); Syria and what is now Lebanon (France); Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain (Britain); Iran (Britain, US, Soviet Union during WW II); Iraq (US 2003-2011)

            Was Islam spread by the sword? by Dr Zakir Naik – YouTube

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeIRzB6fP4

            There is no compulsion in Islam : “ Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

            Anybody that commit compulsion is against Islam.

            The brutal colonial such as British, Dutch. French etc has conquered most of muslims countries. The colonial has robbed the wealth of muslims countries for hundreds of years. Before give independence, the colonial has made the constitution which favour to them. The colonial also has appointed Secular (anti islam) leader. Muslims are still struggle in their own countries.

            For example Malaysia was under colonial occupation since 1511 until 1957 by Portuge, Dutch and British.

            Who’s the Threat? Western Powers have invaded and Killed Millions of Muslims

            Listening to Newt Gingrich, the great bloviator, go on this morning on the alleged Muslim threat, set me off. Gingrich did his dissertation on Belgian educational policy in the Congo, where he managed to miss the genocide perpetrated by the Europeans. Gingrich knows better, he is just hate-mongering. But since he brought it up, it is Westerners like Gingrich (who supported illegally invading and occupying Iraq, which led to hundreds of thousands of deaths) of whom one might justifiably be a little afraid…

            Western countries invaded, occupied by Muslims, since 1798: Turkey in Cyprus since 1974?

            Muslim countries invaded and occupied by Westerners since 1798: what is now Bangladesh (Britain); Egypt (France), much of Indonesia (Dutch); Algeria (France); Senegal, Mali, Niger, Chad (France); Moroccan Sahara, Ceuta (Spain); what is now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan (Russia); Tunisia (France); Egypt, Sudan (Britain); Morocco (France); Libya (Italy); Palestine and Iraq (Britain); Syria and what is now Lebanon (France); Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain (Britain); Iran (Britain, US, Soviet Union during WW II); Iraq (US 2003-2011)

            Islam is peace religion, that’s why Islam has became the fastest growing religion in the world..

            “Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had escalated to around 1.2 billion by 2000, meaning that around one in five people follow Islam. Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity” (Guinness World Records 2003, pg 102) (Emphasis added)

            According to Reader’s digest Almanic year book Islam grew by 235% in 50 years between 1934-1984

            According to CNN.

            “The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion. In the United States, for example, nearly 80 percent of the more than 1,200 mosques have been built in the past 12 years.

            Some scholars see an emerging Muslim renaissance as Islam takes root in many traditionally Christian communities.

            Hundreds of thousands of westerners has converts to Islam peacefully. Tell me which muslims army was sent to invade western countries?

          • Phleb

            Is that you Abd?

          • jbe

            Hi Phleb,

            How are you today,

            christian convert to islam Dr Zakir Naik MUST SEE – YouTube

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDGSV5ITGDk

            True News About POPE Converted to ISLAM? Must watch

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbzRD01kMks

          • Phleb

            Mooslim men, goat humpers really, dress their women in trash bags because they have no control over anything in their lives (useless human beings actually ) Mooslims are scared of their women, cause .. they’re smarter than you.

          • jbe

            Hi Phleb,

            The conditions required to fulfill in the Hijab of a Muslim woman: The Hijab must cover her body completely from the top to the bottom, except i.e. face and hands.

            Why do Muslim women have to wear a Hijab/veil by Dr Zakir …

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpmoMlR8BBA

            Virgin Mary also wear hijab.

            Nuns in church also wear hijab…why you never complaint.

            Bible : 1 Corinthians 11:6

            6For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head.

            Matthew 5:17

            17″Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18″For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…

            Just Imagine…If a women wear hijab and another women wear bikini walk together on the street. And whom the hooligan at the streets will tease…?

            For sure the bikini women will be teased by the hooligan,,

          • Phleb

            Abd… you’re back! Tell me abd… what does the word abd mean?

        • Leslie

          Another known fact is that many Muslims in Africa have never read a quran, they are not available in their villages and sometimes they just have one in the village in Arabic that no one can read. A Somali Muslim woman came to the USA, got her first Quran, finally got to read it for the first time, and was disgusted with her prophet’s behavior, read a Bible and converted to Christianity. So how many Muslims are there really? It seems there are many of these people and forced conversion shouldn’t count.

      • Dorrie

        Go away, you muslim FILTH! You’re here on every comment board, proselytizing your rotten, satanic religion! You aren’t welcome!

      • Guitarzan

        The ONLY good muslim!

        • jlv

          Hi Guizan,

          http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=126730

          ISIS Leader ‘Al-Baghdadi’ Is A ‘Jewish Mossad Agent’ – French Report

          ISIS is enemy of Islam… ISIS Executes 13 Sunni Clerics for Refusal To Join Them

          http://www.clarionproject.org/news/isis-executes-13-sunni-clerics-refusal-join-them

          Currenly all muslims are united againts ISIS..

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fubrX8agwRI

          SYRIA WAR: FSA TOW Missile Destroys ISIS Bulldozer

          • Guitarzan

            Yes which begs to question if you are not a homicidal, rapist, murdering pedophile why would one want to be identified as a muslim in the first place? To be a peaceful muslim one would have to disregard the hadith most of the quran and follow the laws of ones country.

          • jlv

            Hi Guitarzan,

            Thanks for not denying that ISIS is the enemy of Islam..

            “Islam is a missionary religion since 1400 years ago and many Muslim organisations and particularly university students’ Islamic societies have active outreach programmes designed to remove popular misconceptions about the faith.”

            Today the fastest growing religion in Western countries in Islam. Which muslims army was sent to force Westerners to accept Islam in such large numbers?

            Look back to history, The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia…and there were never any battles fought there! Islam is spread by Indonesian scholars in peaceful manner.

            In Malaysia, Islam was spread by Islamic traders hundreds of year ago in peacefully manner.

            Chinese Muslims have been in China for the last 1,400 years of continuous interaction with Chinese society in peaceful manner. “Islam expanded gradually across the maritime and inland silk routes from the 7th to the 10th centuries through trade and diplomatic exchanges.

            https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault

            Every 107 seconds, another American is sexually assaulted.

            Here’s the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)–there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.

            There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds.

            Ten Countries With Most Rape Cases in the World 2015

            http://sportrichlist.com/top10/countries-with-highest-rape-crime/

          • Guitarzan

            Actually I didn’t isis=islam=terrorism. If islam is completely eradicated from this planet we all are better off. Islam is the enemy to ALL good peaceful people and nothing you do or say will EVER change my mind.

          • jlv

            Hi Guitarzan,

            Thanks for not denying that ISIS is againsts Islam,

            ISIS is clearly againts Islam because they killed the most respected persons in Islam such as Iman, Clerics and other muslims on daily basis..

            There are 1.6 billions peacefull muslims around the world..thats why you still alive…

            And Islam has became the fastest growing religion in the world in peace…

            ISLAM World Fastest Growing Religion according to Western Media.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Q4MMdY8O8

  • PRECISELY!

    That’s why they are.

  • jim becks

    If the Koran was peaceful Islamist extremists would be extremely peaceful.

    • 5:32-33 of the Qur’an

      32 :For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel….(NOTE prescribe to the children of Israel): that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

      NOW WHAT DO MUSLEM DO…. READ CAREFULY ……

      33:The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land (NOTE: strive to make mischief ) is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

      SOUNDS PEACEFUL TO ME………..

      http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/jihad.html

  • Scott David Lucas

    Anyone, male or female around the Globe, needs the living and loving God of ISRAEL, YAHUSHUWAH Jesus as their REDEEMER and KING. If they are worshiping something else…they are idol worshipers, and they are dieing in their Sins. Ref: ISAIAH 1:16-20; ACTS 2:38. Amein..

  • Twisted lies – just what moslems are taught to do. In this case Kitman.

  • Michael Copeland

    “Every Muslim is a potential terrorist.
    My plea to our politicians and our society is:
    please open your eyes. … tolerance at the expense of truth is a total stupidity, which will exact a very high price.”

    Nassim ben Iman, former muslim
    See The Islamic Sleeping Pill:
    http://libertygb.org.uk/news/islamic-sleeping-pill

    • Wayne Petersen

      Wouldn’t it be great if a Bill O’Reilly or a Bret Baher read this on FOX news right before the debates? That would put a twist in a lot of panties.

  • Thomson Figueroa Nancy

    Sign up and listen to a Christian who studied Islam and debates with Muslims on Paltalk (media chat) and investigateislam.com is his official site… He is the Author of ‘The Deception of Allah” and his name is Christian Prince.. He knows that this cult needs to be exposed so he studied it to show all the passages that give proof that Islam is a false cult worship.. He will be on Paltalk tonight at 7 pm. His Youtube channel and a link to his morning video can be found… https://youtu.be/j4IeLUmY5yE

  • syracuselana

    Arrogant little b1tch. Send her back where she came from.

  • Mahou Shoujo

    Alrighty the sister, for two years join a Catholic convent and become a short term nun, for breakfast, have bacon, keep a pet dog in your room, volunteer to clean monkey cages at the local zoo. This will illustrate your neutrality towards islam.

  • Mahou Shoujo

    Every muslim is not a terrorist? What a quaint idea.

  • Michael Gerardi

    I’d like to see a rope around this traitor’s neck to match the rag on her head.

  • Jean

    I don’t really give a dam what she says and who cares she is ugly try some makeup it might help.

    • Patricia

      Especially, some under eye concealer!

      I’ve noticed these women have darkened areas under/around their eyes. Makes them look spooky and not as attractive as they could be.

      But makeup is forbidden, uh . . . except for eye-liner and henna coloring for the hair. After all, old Mo used them and if the Perfect Man did it, it’s hunky-dory with all the muslims.

  • joe kulak

    There you go. They are all “terrorists”, jihadists really, in one way or another. Whether they kill kuffar “wherever they find them”, finance jihad, encourage jihad, or lie to conceal jihad, they are all potentially terrorists.

  • conan_drum

    One question. How did she get away and return to Britain? IS do not let people leave once they are under their control. Also what about her husband was he in IS also?
    She appears to be a deluded person or a liar.
    Following someone on Twitter usually means you approve of their activities

    • Michael Copeland

      Exactly. Those two teenage girls from Austria went to Islamic State full of high expectations to serve Allah. They did not like what they found. When one, Samra Kesinovic, tried to run away back to Europe the jihadis beat her to death. The other was reportedly killed in battle.

  • Florian75

    In this global war with Jihadis and Caliphatists, it would behoove Western countries to apply the same standard of treatment to enemy sympathizers, collaborators, infiltrators, and supporters as they did during World War 2 with those who sided with the Axis regimes (Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan). There was no hand wringing and doubt about how to deal with those who aided and abetted our enemies. It is really quite simple and logical – deportation, incarceration, and execution are the actions available, depending on the nature and gravity of the collaboration/sedition/treason/or act of war.

  • Drew the Infidel

    How many times must we endure some raghead telling us the ” moderates” need to confront the extremists for the sake of the Islamic public image? We get an occasional appearance by sad faced Zudhi Jasser on Fox News and the muslime mayhem continues unabated.

  • stealth4

    Muslims are potential terrorists due to their KORAN–DEVOUT Muslims are terrorists because of their “Holy Book”. Instead of “love your neighbor” their book says “cut off your neighbor infidel’s head” . VERY PEACEFUL RELIGION!!!!

  • Fred Sawyer

    Execute the savage for treason. Next case

  • Frank Castle

    When Muslims speak of being discriminated against or talk about
    Islamphobia, just remember they are operating under “Taqiyaa.”. The
    Assasins, from the Ismalli Shia sect, used Taqiyaa to assassinate
    Phillip of Monfort, the Lord of the City State of Tyre in 1270, by two
    Ismaili Shia Muslims who faked they had converted to Christianity and
    became monks.

    This is another example of Taqiyaa. Ignore that at your own peril!!

  • Michael Copeland

    There is no fixed connection between what a text says and what some people do. What matters is not whether a text exists, it is whether people FOLLOW it.

    If every muslim dutifully FOLLOWS the Koran, then, YES, all muslims would be killers, because the Koran commands it, whether they like killing or not.

    “Warfare is ordained for you though it is hateful unto you….” (Koran 2:218).

    Those muslims not at present fighting are simply not following that text AT PRESENT. They can begin to follow it at any time.

    • Michael Copeland

      Islamic societies do not foster, or even allow, logical discussions. It shows.

  • Up Huff

    Never saw a burka used to wrap so much pig sh_t before. There’s always a first!
    As for her, she should be disappeared. She didn’t walk in and out of Raqqa without the blessings of ISIS, and they would not have let her leave unless she had given them something of value in exchange.
    Drop her in the channel. With an anchor around her ankles. Liberally coated with pig fat.

  • ramrodd

    Islam is a totalitarian ideology, cloaked in robes of religion to present itself as honorable to an unsuspecting world. We have heard imams (Muslim clerics) who describe Islam as: “The Religion of Peace.” Islam is in truth a demonically influenced regime of warlords, whose goal is world dominance.

    The word Islam means submission. In this article I will take
    passages straight from the Qur’an which clearly show that Islam has nothing to
    do with peace. It has everything to do with beheading, raping, pillaging, and
    dominating the entire world. To those who practice Islam and are jihadists (the
    Qur’an commands this) their god Allah promises great rewards awaiting those who
    give their lives while fighting infidels.

    Who are the infidels? This term means anyone who does not believe the words
    of their prophet, Muhammad. In fact, the Muslims in name only are hated by the
    Muslims who are obedient to the words in the Qur’an. Are you beginning to
    understand why the so-called moderate Muslims do not speak out against the
    terror? They are fearful for their own lives!

    Here is an example of a command from their false god:

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them,
    and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief]
    is worse than killing…but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and
    merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and
    worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if
    they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun [the
    polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.].”

    Muslim jihadists must obey the words of their book. They
    fear for their own lives if they do not live as terrorists, because Allah has
    told them in their book that they should be killed for not obeying. In fact,
    doubting Allah in the mind of a Muslim is terrible thing. We wonder how they can
    be so brutal and merciless. It’s because they must show their god that they
    believe him, and that they will bring terror against all infidels and slay them
    if they do not convert to Islam.

    Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye
    dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you,
    and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know
    not.” (Here we see Allah proclaiming to his subjects that violence is virtuous.
    It even states that some may find it repulsive, but they must know that their
    god knows what is good for them.)

    I believe that Allah is actually Satan. He fights primarily against Jews and
    Christians. He commands submission from his followers. Jesus is spoken of in the
    Qur’an, but it’s not the Jesus we know from the Word of God. Jesus – called Isa,
    is merely a prophet. It is emphasized that He is not the Son of God. On the roof
    of the mosque on the Temple Mount are inscribed these Arabic words: “God has no son.” That sounds demonic to me.

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish
    them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have
    anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts
    of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had
    sent no authority”. (This speaks of Christians, who say that “God has a Son” is
    joining companions with Allah).

    Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell
    the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he
    slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” (Unlike early
    Christian who were led meekly to their slaughter, Muslims are killed in battle
    for the cause of Allah. This is the basis for today’s suicide bombers.)

    Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at
    home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah
    with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those
    who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at
    home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and
    fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.”
    (Here we see Allah stressing that the jihadists will be rewarded, but not those
    who do not fight for the cause.)

    Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those
    who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip
    of them” These words are clear, and commentary here would be redundant. “

    Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with
    them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may
    remember.” I am reminded of the videos with beheadings that are posted for all
    to see. They love to put fear in the hearts of all infidels. “

    Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away,
    then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and
    besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and
    keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” (Clearly,
    these words show that the only way to escape death is to convert to Islam.)

    Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the
    Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His
    Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the
    People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel
    themselves subdued.” (People of the Book refers to Christians and Jews.)

    Now you have seen a sampling from the Qur’an of the terror that is commanded
    by its words. Religion of Peace? Hardly – more like the Third Reich, meeting in
    mosques worldwide, and planning the demise of all who will not
    convert.

    So why do we not hear what the Qur’an really says on the
    news? Why do politicians avoid what is stated in black and white on the
    pages of this terrifying book? I can only guess that some refuse to believe that
    a religion could actually be so violent as the jihadists are. They have their
    heads in the sand, believing that the ones beheading and raping must be a
    radical faction of the religion of peace. Perhaps others are just plain
    scared.

    Here is a paragraph from President George W. Bush’s commencement
    address to the Air Force Academy, on 3 June 2004, illustrating the New World
    Order’s plan to disguise the real nature of Islam:

    “History is once again witnessing a great clash. This is not a clash of
    civilizations. The civilization of Islam, with its humane traditions of learning
    and tolerance, has no place for this violent sect of killers and aspiring
    tyrants. This is not a clash of religions. The faith of Islam teaches moral
    responsibility that ennobles men and women, and forbids the shedding of innocent
    blood. Instead, this is a clash of political visions.” read source

    This is another reason that I believe that Allah and Satan are one and the
    same. The deception is so blatant and so complete—only the enemy of God could
    pull this off. Some believe that Islam is in fact demonically influenced, but
    that Allah is not Satan. Be assured, that I am not saying that the Antichrist
    will be Islam. I believe that Satan manifests himself in many ways.

    Now when you are watching the news and you hear someone speaking about the
    “radical jihadist” faction of Islam, you will know the truth.

    I doubt that you will ever hear the phrase “Religion of Peace” ascribed to
    Islam, and not think back on the passages you’ve read here from the Qur’an.

    COME LORD JESUS!

    nowtheendbegins

  • Marc Goldstone

    Makes a good point. Islam clearly incites terrorism. Those that go ahead with Islam’s unholy edicts are in PC vernacular called extremists, not Islamic extremists. Might as well call the bloodthirsty killers cotton candy.
    Isn’t it illegal for Islam to advocate the overthrow of the Gov. and the killing of civilians by the use of force?

  • Jimmy Crackorn

    Hummmm The civilized world need to be asked… if you were alone with this Muslim and you were being attached by 20 jihadist could you count on her help or would she also try to kill you?

  • Jimmy Crackorn

    in the real world the things you do are testament to your judgment. Once you commit to an even in your life you can not get a “I take it back” “do over” or whatever you with emotional ,disillusion see when tripping on your Meds..

  • Don Grantham

    Sorry baby… that trip to ISIS is one-way.

  • Duchess of Pork

    So Britain, Ms Shakil just wanted a little overseas holiday and realised she had chosen the wrong country? No. Ms Shakil has returned to your country to claim all the freedoms and economic benefits you allow and to raise her son to follow Islamic extremism. Your taxpaying public will provide the means to her ends and you will sit idly by with your heads in the sand and allow another terrorist to be raised in your midst. And you wonder why the rest of the world is beginning to execrate you!

  • SK

    Never trust a muzrat

  • byronmullet

    In the beginning of Hitler’s Germany not every German was a Nazi, but those who were not, were carried along by the early adopters. Not everyone read Mien Kemp either but those who did and those inspired by his speeches about Aryan supremacy and world domination pushed and pulled the late adopters along with them until soon you could not distinguish one from the other.

    In this present Muslim world domination movement, the early adopters are sprinkled throughout the world. Some leave to join ISIS, or Al Qaida and some to join humanitarian groups trying to help the refugee’s or to provide counseling to those traumatized by all the violence the Quran produces. Whoops whats wrong with that statement?

  • iprazhm

    Oh really? Isn’t that what we’ve been saying all along? The Quran IS a terrorist’s ‘Soldier’s Manual’. Where do the US ‘Useful Idiots’ think muslims get their ideas of butchery and other crimes against humanity?

  • Ludlow Porch

    All Muslims are terrorist! Or they are terrorist in waiting. Has any one ever seen a Muslim smile? The only instance that I know of is when they are murdering infidels!

  • Ludlow Porch

    This Shakil beech, will show her true nature, sooner or later. She will strap on a suicide vest and do her life’s work! Probable while holding her child. Life doesn’t matter to a Muslim! It’s all about “Death,” to them. And it really don’t matter who does the dying.

  • George Peckham

    TIME NOW TO DEPORT ALL THESE SHITE IDIOTS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY OR EVEN BETTER “STOP THEIR BENEFITS”? THEY WILL LEAVE THEN AND AS WELL STOP PAYING FOR THEIR RENT AND THEIR RATES THAT SHOULD BOOT THEM UP THEIR ARSE AND THEY WILL EITHER !”HAVE TO GO OUT TO WORK OR JUST PISS OFF ON THE NEXT FLIGHT BACK TO THEIR OLD DUNGHEAPS IN THE DESERT!!!!!

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