FBI thwarts MASS SHOOTING by devout Muslim at Milwaukee Temple: “We are Muslims, defending Muslim religion”

ByPamela Geller on January 26, 2016

“We are Muslims, defending Muslim religion, we are on our own, my dear, we have organized our own group,” Hamzeh said, according to the criminal complaint, later adding “And we will eliminate everyone,” as he described in detail how he and others would attack the temple.

But the FBI has not charged him with terrorism.

“FBI thwarts mass shooting at Milwaukee Masonic Temple,” by John Diedrich of the Journal Sentinel, January 26, 2016:

FBI agents have interrupted what federal prosecutors describe as a planned mass shooting with automatic rifles at a Masonic Temple in downtown Milwaukee, it was announced Tuesday.

Samy Mohamed Hamzeh, 23, has been charged with possessing machine guns and a silencer. Despite indications of an attempted act of terrorism, Hanzeh is not charged with any terrorism counts. He appeared in federal court in Milwaukee Tuesday and remains in custody.

“We are Muslims, defending Muslim religion, we are on our own, my dear, we have organized our own group,” Hamzeh said, according to the criminal complaint, later adding “And we will eliminate everyone” as he described in detail how he and others would attack the temple.

Humphrey Scottish Rite Masonic

Hamzeh was planning to attack the Humphrey Scottish Rite Masonic, on N. Van Buren St., according to sources familiar with the case. Hamez had scouted out the temple by taking a tour and spoke in detail about how the attack would occur, the complaint said. A woman in the lobby of the temple Tuesday afternoon told a reporter Tuesday that the staff had no comment.

Hamzeh had been under investigation by the FBI since September 2015, using confidential informants close to him, who secretly recorded him, and undercover FBI agents, who arrested him this week.

Hamzeh had originally planned to travel to Jordan to attack Israeli soldiers and civilans in the West Bank, but ditched those plans because of logistical issues and focused his efforts on attacking a target in the U.S., according to the criminal complaint.

He focused on attacking the Mason Temple in Milwaukee with two others, who were actually cooperating with the FBI.

Last week, Hamzeh and the informants went to a local shooting range and practiced firing a handgun. Afterward, they went to the Masonic Center and got a tour of the facility. Later, he spoke with the informants in details about the planned attack, according to the complaint.

During this meeting, which was recorded and subsequently translated from Arabic to English, Hamzeh said they needed three automatic weapons, each with a silencer to launch the attack.

He discussed how the attack would begin: “…one of us will stay at the door at the entrance and lock the door down, he will be at the main door down, two will get to the lift up, they will enter the room, and spray everyone in the room. The one who is standing downstairs will spray anyone he finds. We will shot them, kill them and get out.”

He went on to say the attack could bring global attention.

“I am telling you, if this hit is executed, it will be known all over the world. Sure, all over the world, all the Mujahedeen will be talking and they will be proud of us, what is wrong with you, such operations will increase in America, when they hear about it. The people will be scared and the operations will increase, and there will be problems all over, because more than one problem took place, and this will be the third problem, this will lead to people clashing with each other. This way we will be igniting it. I mean we are marching at the front of the war.”

Of the target, he said: “They are all Masonic; they are playing with the world like a game, man, and we are like asses, we don’t know what is going on, these are the ones who are fighting, these are the ones that needs to be killed, not the Shi’iat, because these are the ones who are against us, these are the ones who are making living for us like hell,” he said. “Thirty is excellent. If I got out, after killing thirty people, I will be happy 100%… 100% happy, because these 30 will terrify the world.”

Hamzeh met with undercover FBI agents on Monday. The undercover agents showed the weapons and a silencer to Hamzeh, told him that the weapons were capable of automatic fire, and explained to him the functioning of the selector switch that allowed the weapons to fire automatically.

Hamzeh agreed to a price and paid it to the undercover agents, who then handed Hamzeh a bag containing two automatic weapons and a silencer. Hamzeh carried the bag to the vehicle in which he had traveled to the meeting, and he placed the bag in the trunk of the vehicle. He then was arrested and has been charged with illegally possessing machine guns.

Acting United States Attorney Gregory J. Haanstad said, “Samy Mohamed Hamzeh devised a detailed plan to commit a mass shooting intended to kill dozens of people. He also said that he wanted this mass shooting to be ‘known the world over’ and to ‘ignite’ broader clashes. It is difficult to calculate the injury and loss of life that was prevented by concerned citizens coming forward and by the tireless efforts of the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force.”

Special Agent in Charge of the FBI Robert J. Shields said “The arrest of Samy Mohamed Hamzeh is the result of a well-coordinated undercover law enforcement action, at no time was the public’s safety placed in jeopardy. I would like to commend the efforts of the Joint Terrorism Task Force which includes our local and state law enforcement partners in thwarting an attack that could have resulted in significant injury and /or loss of life.”

The Humphrey Scottish Rite Masonic Center, a historic building located on N. Van Buren Street in downtown Milwaukee, hosts weddings, conferences, meetings and other special events.

Masons have long been seen as a reclusive, secretive society, but American Freemasons have become slightly more public in recent years — some believe as a result of declining numbers among the aging fraternal order.

The Wisconsin Scottish Rite, which purchased the building in 1912, has been in the community since 1863.

“The Wisconsin Scottish Rite has been serving the community by supporting cultural values intrinsic to the formation of this country,” the center’s website reads. “They purchased this historical building in 1912 to house these charitable activities, and preserve the culture it represents. Our charitable activities include provision of centers for education and learning, museum of fine art, preservation of historic architecture, and support of the performing arts.”

Some details about Hamzeh’s background began to emerge Monday afternoon.

Hamzeh was fired Tuesday after three weeks on the job as a trainer at 9Round Kickboxing Fitness at the Grand Ave. in downtown Milwaukee, according to lead Rebecca Marschner.

Marschner said he told the club he he said he had cone to the U.S. from Palestine when he was 17 and said that he lived with his parents in Milwaukee.

“He always got worked up about how terrible our government was,” she said. “He talked about how he’d seen murder in Palestine. He didn’t like that the U.S. supported Israel.”

His political views came up once in a while, she said, but the overriding concern that led to his dismissal was customers found him too intense with the club’s workouts.

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  • Looking Inside

    Why is he not in Jail? What he said and planned was acts of terror. Where the hell are our “leaders” brains? Giving in to Muslims will just encourage them to escalate their takeover of our country.

    • mjazzguitar

      “He appeared in federal court in Milwaukee Tuesday and remains in custody.”

    • George E. Smith

      That is ‘fundamental transformation!”

  • Lawman45

    The Feds are terrified of using the word “terrorism”. The people might decide they need to be ready and equipped to act in self-defense. The President would not like the number of new gun owners. So politics degrades law enforcement. One would expect more impartiality from the legendary FBI.

  • DyannX

    I love that Pamela uses “Devout” Muslim instead of “Radicalized” Muslim. lol

    • Honcho

      Because they are not radical, if anything they are orthodox but it would put the liberals panties in a twist if you actually termed it appropriately.

    • OldNYFirefighter

      One in the same!

  • rambler

    Instead of playing along and providing weapons, how about the FBI boots his little butt?

    • Fred Sawyer

      Works for me.

  • wildbillxxxx


  • Mickey Collazo

    this is our wonderful government

    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/jihad.html THE TRUTH ABOUT islam PLEASE VIEW AND SHARE

  • Cate

    While in custody, I hope he meets with an unfortunate accident, during which he expires. That will make my day.

    • Honcho

      I would be more than happy for this gentlemans jail cell to be furnished with extra items, to make his stay as short and comfortable as possible.
      I’m thinking a short sturdy rope and a rickety stool. He clearly welcomes death so I am very much sure he will do the right thing.

    • Heather Vance-Nelson


    • ruthy k

      Here’s an interesting detail about this story. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/207098#.VqnKJegrLIU

      • Cate

        Yes – read that!

    • Fred Sawyer

      This savage deserves a shank.

      It would be awesome if he were the next Larry Davis. Even better if another Muslim did it.

      • Steve

        Yeah shame upon the failed jihadI and let the “brother hoods” take care of him-interesting strategy.

        • Fred Sawyer

          If a law enforcement officer touches the guy that person loses their freedom and pension. Let another inmate do it.

    • El Cid

      Just in: New York Times headline today reads “Man Accused in Masonic Plot Moved to New Jail”.

      No Kidding!

      Those damn Masons are at it again! (sarcasm)

  • fulham2014

    He was organizing some Muslim cultural enrichment.

    • John W.

      As we have seen for the last seven years, Muslim community organizers are completely unable to enrich any culture.

  • BrunoPBuhr

    The FBI and the Justice Department have been turned into pathetic b-tches by Hussein Obama the Saudi ring kisser. Vichy boy has turned our national security into PC COWARDS! FBI GROW SOME! Arrest Obama regain INTEGRITY! IT WAS ISLAMIC TERRORISM BTCHES!

    • MattBracken

      By the time they are ready for general jihad, they have already subverted the high councils with spies, bribery and threats.

      The Alienork Way: a cautionary tale for civilized humans facing an Ork invasion.

    • js

      Hi bruno,

      FBI Says 94% of Terrorist Attacks in the US Since 1980 Are by Non-Muslims


      New York – According to the FBI, 94 percent percent of terrorists attacks in the United States since 1980 were perpetrated by non-Muslims.

      • BrunoPBuhr

        Bullshite! They rarely call anything terrorism, above mentioned event is evidence of how far they have climbed up Obama’s butt by not calling it terrorism. Go back to your mosque to plan your next argument or terrorist event.

        • jom

          Hi Bruno,

          Thanks for not denying that 94 percent of terrorists attacks in the United States since 1980 were perpetrated by non-Muslims.

          94% Terrorists in USA are non Muslims


          24 Hard Facts About 9/11 That Cannot Be Debunked …


          Here is a list of 24 facts that cannot be debunked about 9/11. 1) … 3 Responses to “24 Hard Facts About 9/11 That Cannot Be Debunked” BigD June 16, …

          ISIS is enemy of Islam… ISIS Executes 13 Sunni Clerics for Refusal To Join Them


          ISIS executing Sunni Muslim clerics for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.

          ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll


          Islam – The Fastest Growing Religion in the World

          • BrunoPBuhr

            Not only are you a liar, but you worship the father of lies! Your numbers are pathetically manufactured. Bend over 5 times a day to receive your only glimpse of heaven..you want more Mo? You deserve your child raping dog humping Mohammad.

          • jom

            Hi BrunoPBuhr,

            Jesus pbuh never claim divinity..

            Bible : Numbers 23:19 : God is not a man, Nor a son of man.

            “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

            All muslim must believe, love and follow the Jesus teaching.

            Matthew 26:39, He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”

            Most muslims pray by bowed face to the ground.


            A Catholic sister asked Yusuf Estes-Why he accepted Islam


            True News About POPE Converted to ISLAM? Must watch

          • BrunoPBuhr

            Go submit to your pedophile god…dog!

          • jom

            Hi Bruno,

            Thanks for not denying that God is not a man…

            Bible : Numbers 23:19 : God is not a man, Nor a son of man.


            Every 107 seconds, another American is sexually assaulted.

            Here’s the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)–there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.

            There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds.

          • BrunoPBuhr

            Your spot in the burning lake of fire 🔥 has been reserved. Dress for intense pain and heat! Your buddies will be swimming with you! Go bye bye 🙋!

          • js

            Hi Bruno,

            Jesus pbuh never claim divinity,

            There is only one God,

            “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” [The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]


            “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.”

            [The Bible, Acts 2:22]

            Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God,

            John 5:30 I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

            Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

            Prophet Muhammad prophesied in Old and New Testament

            John 16:7

            6″But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7″But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8″And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

            John 16:12

            12″I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13″But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.….

            Deuteronomy 18:18

            A New Prophet

            …17″The LORD said to me, ‘They have spoken well. 18’I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.…


            Dr. Zakir Naik’ great answer to christian.

          • BrunoPBuhr

            Found a picture of your god..back off save your lies for your father Satan. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6411d3bccc7354dc92fdd4439496e5e28e75a2ba753b5d6db1901a41fc53344c.jpg see

      • Dravaa

        That’s because they’re busy sweeping Muslim terrorism under the rug to skew the numbers. And why did they pick the year 1980? What’s the number for after 2000? Or even the last 10 years?

        • Steve

          Exactly! The FBI has many statistics that people like that poster use to skew the stats for whatever reason suits their needs! Besides the FBI is not the only agency keeping statistics. Check out “terrorist acts since 2001” and do a search!

      • Steve

        You are as stupid as the proverbial side of the barn. FBI statistics since 1980 – 36 years old records- do not count when you are counting terrorism since 2001. Take a statistics 101 class! Better yet become a journalist!

  • Gordon Murray

    Go, Pam!! Everything that I have ever seen from you has been truly excellent. Thank you for doing what you do to keep the rest of us informed with truth (as opposed to the fantasy from the left).

    • Janelle

      Not just from the left, Gordon. Unfortunately.

    • Fred Sawyer

      We need millions more like Ms. Geller if the civilized world is to prevail over the inferior and the savages.

  • roger

    He hasn’t been charged with terrorism, maybe the current US admin classes mass killing of masonic worshipers ” Church place violence ” .
    Soon it will be classed as “planning to make excessive noise “.

  • Mahou Shoujo

    As compared to some major criminal who, with inhuman malice and criminal brutality, put bacon on a mosque doorknob. That is a crime of international proportions, plans to murder infidels, not worth a multicultural passing of intestinal gas. Deport the trash and be done with it.

    • Shafiq Islam

      According to the White House, Major Nidal Hasan’s murder of 13 people and nonfatal wounding of more than 30 was workplace violence, whilst placing bacon on the door of a mosque (which calls to mind Jesus’s advice not to throw pearls before swine) would be a hate crime. The Army and FBI ignored evidence of Hasan’s radicalisation before the massacre, just as they did before 9/11. Doesn’t that seem strange to you?

      • Mahou Shoujo

        Hussain the incompetent is a muslim who is in a position to do a lot of damage to infidels, which he is trying very hard to do. It is high level decision makers that cll off investigations or have evidence suppressed.

        • Shafiq Islam

          His fans call him “No Drama Obama.” I call him “No Brain Hussain.”

          • Mahou Shoujo

            Yes, he is a creature of many descriptions. The moderator and I are having a bit of a tiff over a few descriptive worlds right now so I shall refer to him a “euchhy”.

        • John Miller

          Exactly. All you have to do is look at his upbringing. His grandfather was a Muslim, his dad was a polygamist Muslim, but apparently more of a communist, his step-dad a Muslim, and Obama attended a Muslim school in Indonesia where his step father listed Obama’s religion as Islam. You can’t tell me that hasn’t shaped his world view. Yet he claimed to be Christian when becoming President, but wouldn’t put his hand on the Bible when saying the oath.

          His wedding band that he wore before he married Michelle, is inscripted with “There is no God but Allah”., the first part of the Shahada. Needless to say where his loyalties lie.

          Didn’t he even arm some Islamic terrorists?

          Maybe he’s posturing himself to be the head of a future “European Caliphate”. Unless he’s stopped.

          The American people have been tricked.

          • Judi

            He still wears that ring.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        “Radicalisation”? What isn’t radical about islam (spit) again?

        • Shafiq Islam

          I agree with you that the Qur’an, ahadith and sira are in fact radical, but both my life experience and study of history tell me that most nominal Muslims do not engage in violence. There have been long periods in history in which Muslims lived side by side with Christians and Jews peacefully. Sad to say, as a Christian, during the late Middle Ages Muslims were more hospitable to Jews than Christians were.

          • IzlamIsTyranny

            So they don’t engage in violence? BFD. Most Nazis weren’t directly involved in the Holocaust either.
            If there are so many “nominal” muslums (spit again), then why are all muslum states totalitarian shit-sties that all enforce some aspects of Sharia law — particularly WRT islamic blasphemy and heresy laws?

          • Shafiq Islam

            The world isn’t quite as simplistic as your thinking. There are many people in Muslim countries, like me, who are not Muslim, and there are many nominal Muslims who don’t support those things either.

          • Steve

            Those things may be true to some extent for what you are saying but the immediate problem is that with considerable %’s of ~1.6 billion islamics worldwide favoring violence and terrorism against others that means there are huge numbers of muslims that spell a threat to the West. Consider the pew polling and you can see that even with, for example, 10% of 1.6 billion muslims polling on a particular topic, that would be 160,000,000 or 160 million. Those numbers are the problem that we face in the West if that 10% want to kill us.


          • Shafiq Islam

            Yes, that is true, and I have proposed measures to deal with that. What do you suggest?

          • Steve

            Join appropriate organizations and support them, support conservatives in the next election and boycott muslims and continue to get educated on dealing with the enemy for starters. Many have said why would you want to boycott all Muslims. That would be a strong statement to them that they must dissociate themselves from the radicals and become more active in doing so or it will hit them in the pocket book. Learn about personal safety and awareness including obtaining self defense and training and concealed permit carry and of course support the second amendment.

          • Shafiq Islam

            With all due respect, that’s not much of a solution.

          • Steve

            So staying home watching tv is your solution? Let’s hear your solutions and don’t hold back if you have any.

          • Shafiq Islam

            All right.
            (1) Stop Muslim immigration to western countries.
            (2) Monitor mosques and madrasas and prosecute those inciting violence.
            (3) Rescue Christians, Yazidis and others at risk in war zones and offer them immigration.
            (4) Increase military presence in Israel, and withdraw from Muslim countries.
            (5) Except for arm’s length business transactions, disengage from Muslim countries.
            (6) Stop Muslim proselytising in prisons.
            (7) Stop supporting KSA and hope that their rivalry with Iran leads to a war that deposes both regimes, with behind the scenes action to replace them with secular, moderate autocrats.

          • Steve

            Alright, and with all due respect to you, that goes without saying – for our country. What I am interested in and what i thought was your question when you asked me what you- meaning myself- propose is what I’m asking back to you- what do you as a person on an everyday level in their community suggest. The question remains open to you. This matters for everyday people and cannot be written off as not much of a solution as you suggest since people make up the country unless you think that doesn’t matter.

            In addition what I would add to what you are saying about country to country solutions is to quit dealing with arms take over the oil fields in Syria for starters and make an example of a nuclear presence even as far as a test in the proximity of some islamic city to get our point across. I hope that doesn’t rattle your morals when it comes to this type of war we are fighting of terror vs terror and if it does then I would question why you think that promoting our presence in the mideast would even be considered hopeful for taking out the iranian regime simply by clever dialogue. I do agree with stopping proselytizing of muslims in prison. In fact I would take it one step further- if caught those prisoners would be immediately kept in lifetime isolation. I think you’re disengagement of business agreement suggestion is pretty much what I’m talking about here as far as boycotting muslims in the community. it’s just an extension of country to country and I agree with that policy.

          • Shafiq Islam

            The US created this crisis by encouraging KSA to radicalise Muslims throughout the world by sponsoring Wahhabi mosques and madrasas and by removing authoritarian but secular governments who had kept radicals at bay. Proposals to take over oilfields are morally indefensible and will only add more grievances that cause Muslims to hate you enough to take up arms. Until westerners, especially Americans, acknowledge their own evil deeds and change their behaviour, the problem will just continue to accelerate.

          • Steve

            This is where you need to go to the history books and study. You can disagree with me but you cannot deny that islam since the 7th century has time and again been on a warpath to bring their culture of war based on their sociopathic kookran. Search dr will warren for starters. And don’t come back with the “big bad” crusades. It was a drop in the bucket compared to the battles waged by the islamist cult.

            The u.s. may have exacerbated the current problems in the mideast but inevitably the radicalizing is on the hands of the islamists driven by their insane schizophrenic sharia and jihad. The brother hoods have been promoting their killing throughout history. This is a war of terror and i totally disagree that the taking of their oilfields and blowing up a few of their cities if needed would be morally indefensible. Hiroshima and Nagasaki ultimately saved more lives compared to what could have been.

            You seem to want solutions but hedge when it comes to dealing with it realistically and would prefer an endless dragged out of stalemate with some of what you suggest.
            You back off when it comes to laying down the force. I thought as much when you mentioned stopping proselytizing of muslims in prison but suggested no way to do it. What would you do-stop their deserts for a year?

            You sound a little anti-american here in your response. What is it about islamists dealing out barbarian war culture to the world that does not get through to you the need to deal with animals like this in a most convincing destruction. Can you defend that morally? You talk about christians and saving them but consider that this country would do a much better job of it by doing things more forcefully like i suggest when it comes to country to country. I stand by the personal at home suggestions i made. I do like what you suggested about the mosques and immigration but again you need to back this up with respected force. Peace is a mutual respect between countries. My christian god i believe the west and americans for doing what has to be done to destroy islamist evil just as i believe this same god forgave us before for helping to destroy the nazis and the japanese during wwii.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Please spare me the condescension, okay? You haven’t explained why Muslims were fairly quiescent throughout most of the last few centuries. You haven’t acknowledged the Muslims do have emotions, and they actually did mind when the US lured Saddam into invading Kuwait, then imposed cruel sanctions, including for items such as water purification and sewage treatment equipment, antibiotics, vaccines, cancer chemotherapy drugs and food, causing the death of over a million people, half of them children under five.

            You also need to read the history of the US nuclear attacks on Japan, which had already decided to surrender and was making peace overtures. Most of the military brass, including General Eisenhower and Admiral Leahy, opposed the atrocities, but Truman dropped the bombs to cow the Soviet Union.

            You also neglect that the US encouraged the Saudis to radicalise Muslims worldwide by sponsoring Wahhabi mosques and madrasas in the belief that they would fight communism.

            That you consider those things acceptable puts you on the same moral plane as the Muslims you denounce. I am a Christian, and in our faith such actions can never be justified.

          • Steve

            You’re the one who was condescending with your comments about americans acknowledging their evil deeds as if islam is only acting upon things americans have done. Islam needs to acknowledge its own history of waging war and thievery of inventions. It also never acknowledges its own benefit from the technology of western culture and yet is trashes them at every chance. You are wrong about the last few centuries about the muslims being quiet. Check out the videos of dr bill warren and you will see. You are all of a sudden going off the deep end it seems on all these supposed this and supposed that stuff. Yes, preach to me about christianity and you are on the same plane of condescending attitude you lay out.

            I do think i am seeing your true colors playing out. You seem to be at the outset for the west and talk about saving christians and all the solutions that stop short of force. Well, shafiq “compassionate” islam (your name meaning in arabic would lead one to believe) perhaps you were muslim but became a convert but i think you are still trying to play at “moderate” islam. Its a no win game for those, as mentioned in an earlier post to you, who are not going to throw off their radicalization inclinations that lead them to hang with their brothers.

          • Shafiq Islam

            If I offended you, I am sorry. I have in many,many posts made the points you want me to make. You seem to forget that Muslims had nothing to do with World War II, which killed 60 million people, nor with the Korean and Vietnam Wars, which killed around 3 million each. I’m sorry, but your numbers just don’t add up.

            I preach to you about Christianity because you advocate the deliberate killing of large numbers of civilians, which Jesus would never do but Muhammad would.

          • Steve

            No offense taken. We just disagree as to what jesus might agree with in defense of christianity. We’re not the first. I am
            of the opinion as jesus seemed to be that in “clearing the temple” you sometimes have to use force.

            I still think you need to look at dr bill warren before you start talking about numbers. Also consider the islamic potential for destroying culture in the EU, UK, and the U.S. and tell me even if the U.S. helped exacerbate the current crisis how that justifies christians laying down for them.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Your exegesis is ludicrous. Jesus used a harmless whip to drive corrupt money changers from the Temple. He killed or injured no one. You really think He would support sanctions punishing and killing a million civilians, mostly children, for the offences of their unelected dictator? You think that He would approve of incinerating 300,000 Japanese civilians to scare Stalin? What version of the Gospels do you read?

            Those numbers are for Islam since the start of the religion, not the past few centuries. In fact the vast majority of those deaths were medieval. So your point is what?

            Your moral casuistry a propos war fits perfectly with Muhammad’s and not at all with Jesus’s.

          • Steve

            What careless responses your are making with your blog posting. You are quite bent on driving the u.s. into the ground while trying to put on a christian holier-than-thou show for yourself. You led into this asking for a solution to the islamic madness but wish to stifle my perspective when i suggest strong use of force implying i am not a moral christian. Christians can be of Jesus and defend themselves appropriately and are not shackled when force is needed to deal with tyranny. Check out Romans 13:1-7 -“let every soul be subject to the governing authorities”. Yes, Jesus used a whip but that does not mean a bullet for hitler would not have been appropriate. Many attempts to assassinate hitler were made but never succeeded. Jesus merely set the example for right and wrong. I am glad he didn’t do as muhammad might have and beheaded those at the temple. Still Jesus could be as strong as he needed. We didn”t hear about muhammad dying for humanity!

            We obviously don’t agree as to how jesus would feel about people and countries dealing with tyrannies but while you are throwing out wrong statistics -japanese deaths from nuclear bombs in world war (its more like 225,000 not 300,000), don’t forget to mention estimates if the bombs hadn’t been dropped; allies – between 1.7 and 4 million casualties, of whom between 400,000 and 800,000 would be dead, and Japanese- fatalities would be around 5 to 10 million. The same wrongness in your thinking is in additionally stating that islamic killing mostly occurred in medieval times-not true. You also want to link this country to obvious muslim atrocities in bangladesh and e.timor, etc. You think even if a country is involved with supporting a another country that relieves them of their own killing? I suppose that will play well with your downing of the u.s. if iran blows israel off the map. I can hear you saying the u.s. pulled the trigger.

            Why don’t you look at the entire video on islam by dr bill warner and you will see for yourself the staggering numbers of deaths related to the killing cult of islam. You brought up numbers alluding to the west being the big bad wolves of world killing with the ww2, the vietnam and korean wars along with their supposed involvement in bangladesh, e. timor and the phillipines, but the bottom line is that the numbers game is outdistanced by islam and its because of islam. One correction for you on ww2-the mufti and the fuhrer were good friends and there were muslim ss divisions.The intent of islam has always been since after the mecca period to wage war and conquer the world. Why I bring up numbers is that you seem so convinced the cult of islam is quite the good guys in this except for some bad apples and the u.s. hand and that things can be dealt with rationally by being good chrisitians with minimal force.

            Your twisted logic of playing a christian card as you define it would put americans under a guilt burdern for dealing with a 7th century enemy as necessary and simply will not work. If I were a follower of mohammed i would be a good muslim to go kill an islamic apostate especially (if they went to israel). Since i am a follower of jesus i will forgive a christian apostate and consider ourselves at peace. However, if there is a call to defend america or an ally of america being threatened by a sociopathic cult i would defend america and our allies as a christian as necessary and stand by my country’s decisions in times of war as directed in Romans 13:1-7. Though this country may not be perfect i’ll take its declaration of independence and constitution over sharia and jihad any day! If islam comes here and conquers it and it becomes ameristan then its all bets off but, until that day, its the same country that allows christians and other religions (of all views and persuasions) freedom to speak on posts like this and respect each others beliefs and rights to do so and to coexist peacefully. Try that in iran!

          • Shafiq Islam

            I like your Romans quote. Of course according to your exegesis, Christians in Nazi Germany were right to participate in atrocities.

            You still quote Truman’s devious and long-discredited propaganda and still approve of incinerating civilians. Japan had already decided to surrender, and the US knew that as archival records show.

            Your tu quoque defence is bizarre, to say the least. I have never endorsed the Muslim religion or the actions of its followers, and the fact that you (falsely) allege that your side has killed fewer people is irrelevant.

            Just how were you defending yourselves by attacking Iraq and Afghanistan?

          • Steve

            I also like your continuing to try to make other meanings out of what i said. No, the nazis were not right if they were following romans 13:1-7 because of conscience and submission to god’s will. If you read the chapter it includes that sometimes some had no choice if under the gun.They were right in that way not for the killing but having no choice. Those should have left as i said in my post (if america becomes ameristan i would leave) and some nazis did leave nazi germany – even rudolph hess. Your derivative of this would justify islamists following the barbarian authorities of sharia and jihad and, despite you’re saying you don’t endorse them, you obviously have a strong desire to drive america into the dirt. Is isis then justified by submitting to authority-only if they believe it. You are endorsing muslim countries by your expecting chrisitianity to fall over and defend itself with lukewarm actions that will not be respected by islamists.

            You are the bizarre one with your icon of “compassionate” islam playing holier-than-thou magic christian. Its not a defense to say that “my” side (aren’t we americans here i thought) is better than yours (muslim apologist perhaps). The numbers are for you and others to see that you spout out wrong statistics at every turn though you refuse to see it regarding islam. That’s you choice of course. Its a free country-still. I was not defending myself attacking iraq and afghanistan. If you mean the u.s. being there, there are a lot of people who were thankful we went there especially christians and kurdish people slaughtered by your friends. Just as there have been many beneficiaries of america. You only talk in derogatory terms of america but never its good exports of culture, technology, arts, music and freedom.

          • Shafiq Islam

            I never said that Islam is compassionate; where on earth did you get that? You quote numbers over a 1400 year period, and by far the majority of the deaths were in the Middle Ages, long before there was a US. It’s still a tu quoque defence, which is invalid.

            Consider that your sanctions killed over a million, and 9/11 killed fewer than 3000. They only killed 0.3% as many! They were wrong, and what they did was inexcusable, sinful and a crime against humanity, just like what you did so remorselessly. Since the Afghan and Iraq wars were morally and legally unjustifiable, how can you support them? Do you not see that you are on exactly the same moral plane as they, while pretending to be a Christian?

          • Steve

            Your name in arabic “shafiq” means compassionate. Your icon then stands for “compassionate islam”. Such a strange handle for a “christian” to be waving who promotes solutions but claims immorality of others who talk about using real force for defeating islam. You play holier-than-thou christian and yet blame america for all the woes of the world (citing wrong statistics) and giving america no credit for its contributions. When one attempts to show you sites and numbers you ignore them but come back with logic games attempting to twist the argument with cherry picked articles and lay down some guilt and then add your phony righteousness. Its your kind of lukewarm out-of-touch christian that is playing a part in enabling islamism use the socialist agenda that will eventually spell destruction for the world with the intent of islamist world domination. Only strong christianity combined with nationalism will be able to stop it both at home and abroad. Pray for yourself!

          • Shafiq Islam

            Why do you whine and play the victim because I call you out on your advocacy for brutal mass murder of civilians? Which is worse, your hurt feelings when your hypocrisy is exposed, or millions of dead, innocent civilians? Did you even bother to read the references I gave you, or do you not want to confront the facts?

            A apropos nationalism, I will quote Einstein: “Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.”

            I am praying that you will turn from jingoism, militarism, racism and disregard for human rights and embrace the love, compassion and kindness Jesus taught.

          • Steve

            It sounds like you’re whining big time and keep cherry picking references but never read any of the references or comments i’ve written. You are a holier than thou christian who one minute spouts jesus then the next bashes the u.s as if nothing good ever comes of it. Yes you as daft and the islamist progressive collusion you would enable will your pathetic lukewarm apologetic christianity. Go light a candle compassionate islam and pray. I am also praying you will not continue to try to convince people of your irrational thinking and embrace a true strong christianity and not your “selective” personal concocted brand of jesus.

          • Shafiq Islam

            You’re very angry, which is fine with me. I have read what you posted and commented on it. You think that mass slaughter of innocent civilians is acceptable, I do not. You think that the same badly failing strategy the US has been using will bring success if you just do more of it, I do not. You consider my Christianity lukewarm when you endorse mass murder? Do you have to practice your faith at constant risk to your life as we do here? When did I say that nothing good ever comes from the US?

            Your warrior saviour sounds nothing at all like Jesus and a lot like Muhammad. Am I holier than you? I certainly hope so!

          • Steve

            Once more its the shafiq (means “compassionate” in arabic), holier-than-thou lukewarm christian solutions, bash and tear down the united states and the west, stat skewing and conspiracy promoting, appeasement enabling of islamism collusion progressive usurping of the western world show. Its quite a juggling act-good enough for the big top. You should sell tickets!

            You’re no better than the apologetics of all rank and stink. Pray for yourself. I don’t need your “blessings” or divergent twisted logic. Your duplicity is embarrassingly deceitful yapping about morals and the u.s. to blame for the cult of islam and its no better than merkel, odumber, and the pope, etc. who accomodate the enemy. Your horse is lagging while the truth remains way ahead of you!

          • Steve

            Twist as you may, and now plead misunderstanding as living under the gun, you impress me only with your need to be personally “holier than thou” right plus your attitude is a self righteous phony. Your lukewarm prescription for Christianity in any event is causing many to die all over the world and suckersee believers in Christianity into enabling islamiam. Put yourself on a pedestal all you like with your game but some look at use of force as a defensive necessity especially with the cult invasion. Your constant u.s. bashing is not going to be winning any allegiance for solutions to stopping the cult but i’my actually glad it’s so easy to see so ad to avoid it.

          • Shafiq Islam

            The fact that I support international law and Christian just war principles makes me a lukewarm Christian? Really? So to be a real Christian in your twisted mind one has to be a genocidaire?

            Jesus summed up the Law as, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.” How is committing war crimes loving your neighbour? You don’t worship God, you worship Mars, as incarnated in the US military.

          • Steve

            I never have wanted the u.s. to commit genocide. There you go with your twisting ways again promoting your holier-than-thou self. Destroying all islamists is not destroying all muslims who reform from sharia and jihad. You see what you like in your agenda and keep promoting christianity as a passive “forgive and forget” and the lambs will all come home. Yes and i love my neighbors in my community and my country (as jesus said) but unfortunately islamists do not and i and they are not jesus (except the ones in mental institutions). Defending our culture is loving our culture of neighbors and indirectly loving even those muslims and you who may one day see the light. Leaders cannot lead their countries on prayers alone and delaying action against this enemy will only strengthen them as history has shown.

            You couldn’t get through one post without a bash at the united states i see. This country has done more to help freedom, health, technology, economy, and the arts in the world than any other known-e.g your ability to post on computer your constant unappreciative rationalizations that encourage weak christian and other religion’s responses -the kind that enable globalization care of the cult islamists.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Twisted? Really? You endorsed the unjustifiable Iraqi sanctions, nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. So just who is twisted?

            Are you saying that the good things the US has done gives it a free pass for its brutal wars and human rights violations?

            The Islamists have risen precisely because of American wickedness and stupidity. You set a trap for Saddam by voicing no objection to his annexation of Kuwait, then started a war to eject him and putting in place cruel sanctions to punish innocent civilians, killing over a million of them. You told the Kurds and Shi’a to rebel against Saddam, promising them help, then leaving them to his vicious retaliation. The weapons inspection programme did its job and eliminated any significant WMD, and it was clear that he was not involved in 9/11, but you attacked anyway, killing hundreds of thousands and leaving a power vacuum in which jihadists, including ISIS, could thrive.

            And why did previously docile Muslims become radicalised? Because Carter and Reagan encouraged the Saudis to sponsor radical mosques and madrasas worldwide, as they continue to do.

            It was clear ab initio that the Saudis were deepy involved in 9/11, providing 15/19 hijackers and most of the funding. Even now, a lot of funding for terrorism comes from KSA. But Bush was bought and paid for by KSA and concealed their involvement, distracting a gullible public by making wars on 2 countries that were not involved.

            Since you started your putative war on terror, radicalism has spread like wildfire and terrorist incidents have increased. Bin Laden knew how vindictive and violent Americans are, and he aimed to lure you into wars to deplete your resources and alienate more and more Muslims, and you complied.

            Your theology of militarism and hate sounds like Southern Baptism, a religion founded on the sinful brutality of slavery. Like you, they twisted scripture to justify the unjustifiable. When you fomented a bloody civil war and lost, you spent the next 130 years trying to deny civil rights to African Americans. When public opinion forced you to at last apologise, you turned your hatred onto Muslims and LGBT people.

            Jesus told us that those who live by the sword will die by it, and when a group of Muslims engaged in sinful retaliation, you still did not heed His warning. Instead you just became more violent. The Southern Baptists gleefully endorsed unjust wars when civilised churches opposed them. This trailer park theology has set the world afire and your solution is to pour petrol on the flames. You reject Jesus’s rejection of the lex talionis, preferring revenge to peace.

            I have proposed a set of measures to quell the violence by reducing conflict, but you don’t like that. For you the military is the only way to resolve the conflict, and you have not learned from your folly.

          • Steve

            The same old same old. You deserve an award for head banging. You seem really shaken someone challenges you with your cherry picked refs and quotes, phony stats and conspiracies and convolutions, and, oh, your lukewarm christianity. Once again its more attempts to drag the united states down. Once more you preach your holier-than-thou so much so that i suspect you are trying to convince yourself but in fact you need to be a stronger christian and quit trying to play jesus.

          • Shafiq Islam

            You claim to follow Jesus, but you ridicule and reject what He taught. You call being a warmonger being a stronger Christian? Why don’t you read the Gospels and learn what real Christians do? You could start with Matthew 25: 31-46.

          • Steve

            I’ll pray for you my friend. Jesus loves you!

          • Shafiq Islam

            He loves everyone, including Muslims. That’s the whole point.

          • Steve

            Romans 15:1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, (lukewarm) and not to please ourselves. As i said i’ll pray for you.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Supporting peace rather than slaughter is weakness, and you are the great spiritual example because you worship a state that wages perpetual war and endorse killing of innocents?

            You have so much in common with radical Muslims.
            (1) You believe that you are justified in killing others who believe differently.
            (2) You believe in vengeance.
            (3) You believe that God’s kingdom will be established by war.

            Pray for me, and for yourself, and for all people of the world, Muslims included. But don’t hold yourself out as a holy man who loves God and his neighbours.

          • Steve

            Galatians 5:1 “For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.” I’ll pray for you to find your way.

          • Shafiq Islam

            I have included two prayers, the first from your perspective and the second from ours.

            God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest,
            Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!
            O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle – be Thou near them! With them – in spirit – we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it – for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

            And ours:
            Lord, make me an instrument of thy peace.
            Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
            Where there is injury, pardon;
            Where there is doubt, faith;
            Where there is despair, hope;
            Where there is darkness, light;
            Where there is sadness, joy.
            O divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
            To be consoled as to console,
            To be understood as to understand,
            To be loved as to love;
            For it is in giving that we receive;
            It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
            It is in dying to self that we are born to eternal life.

          • Shafiq Islam
      • George E. Smith

        Jesus’ saying to not throw “pearls before swine” is a way of saying do not tell the people things that are far beyond their comprehension.
        if they are having trouble with 2 plus 2, don’t tell them about quantum physics.

        It is a waste of time. They will not understand what you are saying and will misconstrue what you said.

      • Steve

        Yes, Its a shadow government in place as in the UK and EU and other places. This has been going on for some time right in front of us. The denial factor is of course an enabler as well as the vices of humanity and mass consumerism and day to day drudgery of making a living keeping people occupied and from being more involved in government. Fortunately, there are those in power who are resisting and hopefully it will turn around but its not certain what is going to happen. If we let the progressive scandal witch win the white house its pretty certain what will happen. We may as well prep for home defense and community organize whenever we can and preferably out of the cities. It will be a hold out for as long as we can but its not looking good for the world’s future.

    • Steve

      Landfills are cheaper or a flight to allah from the “one world trade center” in human fireballs while fireworks are going off!

  • Shafiq Islam

    The Prague Declaration

    Conscious of the fact that the thousand-year history of Western Civilisation could soon come to an end through the Islamic conquest of Europe, and conscious of the fact that the political elites have betrayed us, we, the representatives of the various nations of Europe, declare as follows:

    We shall not surrender Europe to our enemies. We are prepared to stand and oppose political Islam, extreme Islamic regimes and their European collaborators.

    We are prepared to risk our freedom, our property, our occupations and careers and perhaps also our lives as generations have done before us. It is our obligation to future generations.

    We refuse to submit to a European central government. The regulations of the global elites have brought us poverty, unemployment, corruption, chaos and moral collapse.

    It is time this came to an end.

    We respect the sovereignty of European nations and the rights of people in all European countries to govern their affaires as they see fit.

    We hold it to be a sacred right of the citizens of all European countries to protect their borders and to decide which migrants they accept and which they do not accept into their countries.

    We call attention to our common European roots, traditions and values, as well as to the historical alliances of our nations.

    We are resolved to protect Europe, freedom of speech and all other civil liberties, as well as our common way of life together.

    We shall manifest this resolve by our participation in a joint demonstration, which will take place on 6 February 2016 in many European countries.

    • farflung

      First you tell folks you are from Pakistan, then Western European, are you posting to ferment war in the quise of being on the side of the civilized world? No, I know you are an impostor with vile Jihadi aims. You will be swept under the dust JIHADI.

      • Shafiq Islam

        I never said I was from western Europe, that was one of your psychotic delusions. How does one “ferment” war? I think you mean foment. You have started again with the death threats but the investigator I talked to at your embassy was really more interested in your posts advocating armed rebellion against your government. Let’s see what they decide.

        • farflung

          No, I meant ferment , as in , like wine. I’ve got your number and watch the game you play. Seems you are having difficulty dealing with that. Have a great day Jihadi, remember you fool a few, but your bell has been rung. ferment means incite or stir up (trouble or disorder)

          • Dr. Doomsday

            I thought that was “foment” but I could be wrong.. ;)

          • farflung

            You are not wrong nor are you right. Foment means to instigate stir up trouble. Ferment is more subtle .It is like planting a seed, and allowing it to germanate.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Nice try, but your semi-literacy and psychopathology shine through. Get some psychiatric help, please. And, by the way, it’s germinate.

          • farflung

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6vwXbQZvJoIt is not spelling that should concern you Ackwheat. -.-

          • Shafiq Islam

            Why do you persist in these vicious attacks, calling me a jihadi and terrorist without any evidence at all to support your paranoid delusions? Review my posts. No Muslim, even one trying to hide his religion, would denounce the Muslim religion and Muhammad in such start terms. No jihadi would oppose Muslim immigration to western countries. If you want to debate issues, fine. But stop the ad hominem attacks and libelous accusations. I do think you need psychiatric help.

          • farflung

            And by the way , it is not start, it is stark. It is my opinion that you are a Pakistani Ubed. You call yourself a Christian from the Middle East and yet do not recognize the Maronite Crucifix. Yes and I am a third generation American and some of my families blood is on that ragged old flag. My motto is Duty , Honor , Country. Now you are to smooth and trying to influence Americans. You plead your case and I find it lacking. I’ll keep an eye on you. Why, because It is not in my fiber to trust anyone from some anti-American shat hole in the Middle East. By the way, I am a strong supporter of Israel.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Yes, I made I typo and meant to say stark.

            You are really daft! I never said I was from the Middle East, I said South Asia. There are no Maronites here, and that is a cross and not a crucifix. First you said I was American, then Western European, then South Asian, now Middle Eastern.

            Sir, you are paranoid and urgently need psychiatric help.

          • farflung

            A shat hole is a shat hole. Throw all of you in a sack, and dump after a good shaking, and nothing but UBEED fall out.

          • Shafiq Islam

            Sir, I realise that for someone as full of ignorance, hatred and anger that it makes you feel better to abuse someone, and your cowardice makes you do it on the internet, anonymously. Every comment from you is a torrent of abuse. If you want to discuss or debate something, that’s fine. Go and see a psychiatrist, get on meds, and then we can talk.

          • George E. Smith

            Just because someone is paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get that person.
            And, if the person is “paranoid” with good reason, it is not delusion is it? More like reality. Dig?
            Think about it, it may take a while to sink in…….

          • Shafiq Islam

            This guy has been posting abusive rants with changing delusional material. And I am not out to get him, or anyone else.

          • Steve

            Why do you praise islam with your name (shafiq in arabic that means “compassionate”) and claim to be a christian which is an obvious weird flag to be waving while promoting your brand of luke warm christianity for dealing with islam? Are you trying to convince others you are on the level or perhaps you are just trying to create suckers. You seem to attempt to twist everything into an its all america’s fault -but prefer (so you say -a watered down version of christianity just like the pope) for achieving peace. Where’s your morals? Everytime someone tries to explain the legacy of islam and its long history of incompatibility with the west you attempt to defend it saying most of them are not the problem despite polls and numbers that prove otherwise. You try to stack the world killing numbers any chance you get with excuses and wrong numbers and how supposedly america started it all and then heap on numbers of other nations killing added to america’s when someone tells you of all the killing in islam trying to find a way to prove the west has done the greater wrongs. You are indeed playing the gullible christian who will serve the progressive socialist agenda well for the take over of the world should it occur. You should support america and your own country if its not america. Nationalism is the only way to fight the global dumb down. Your chrisitanity is a slow death. Don’t pray for me. Pray for yourself and try your logic games on someone else who is gullible to think you are on the level.

  • Rick Smith

    Muslims really don’t like the masons.

    • Canadian Mason

      Which is funny because there are a lot of Muslim masons.

      • Dravaa

        the problem is not what Muslims “like” or “don’t like” – it’s that their answer to everything they don’t like is to KILL THE PERSON, GROUP, OR COUNTRY ENGAGING IN IT. This “religion” needs to be banned by civilized societies.

      • Rick Smith

        Well, the Islamic scholars would call those muslims “kaafir” Big taboo.

      • IzlamIsTyranny

        Yeah it’s funny that ur fellow muslum ape was planning on slaughtering non-muslims ain’t it Achmed?

      • Steve

        Very interesting!

    • Steve

      Very interesting! Looks like the masons and the fbi might be sharing information!


  • Delilah

    Another Muzzie immigrant that needs to be tossed out along with his brethren.

    • Steve

      We need to take these f’ers up to the top of the “one world trade center” and let them meet allah in their free fall hastened by flame throwers!

      • Shafiq Islam

        And you have the nerve to pretend to be a Christian. You are as hateful, vindictive and enamoured of violence as they.

        • Steve

          Matthew 7:5 – You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

          If i were there at the world trade center when the islamists murdered so many good americans willingly i would not have hesitated if i had had the opportunity to end their miserable lives. You play holier-than-thou but consider:

          Your posted words-
          “One could not be faulted for suspecting that he or she is a false-flag discussant, posting deranged rants so extreme, so filled with hatred and ignorance, that the posts could be used to discredit people with legitimate concerns about Islamisation. CAIR would find these semi-literate tours de force of psychopathology very useful.”

          You work so hard as the “magic christian” with your christian icon while sowing your hatred for the united states (as any good islamist) on most every one of your posts and deceptively never mention the good things the u.s. has done. Cair (as good islamists) can use these “semi literate tours de force” as you refer to them to discredit the u.s.

          Your posted words again –
          “His or her posts expressing strong support for Hindu nationalist groups in India that persecute and kill Christians and want to ban Christianity in India would be a great propaganda coup for CAIR .”

          You attack supporting nationalism as persecuters of christianity implying this would be propaganda for cair. Christians may be targeted by some nationalism but in general its the only protection now from the progressive-islamist collusion. Your sowing nationalism as an enemy of christianity, which it is not the case in this country, is deceptive as you pretend to be on the christian side while bashing a potential defense against islamism.

          Your hate and deception bashing of the united states at every turn as stated numerous times by you in your many posts is quite obvious to anyone reading your rants acting as if you were some true christian all the while trying to appeal to christians to be pacifists as the true way to practice the faith. In the long run such christian lukewarm actions towards islamism would spell much more destruction than anything i’ve ever posted. “Compassionate islam,” you who are as phony as your use of that holier-than-thou icon “flag” for all to see. You are just very shaken to have been revealed for what you are as you continue to strike out vindictively with your responses! Your agenda is clear.

          Matthew 16:23 – Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

          • Shafiq Islam

            Your frequent torturing of scripture to support your bloodthirsty agenda reminds me of Shakespeare’s quote, “Even the devil can quote scripture for his purposes.”

            I do not hate the US and have never advocated any kind of action against the American people. Your saying that I do represents a projection of your own hateful nature. The US, which you worship as infallible and, in the frequent instances of its evil behaviour, you worship above God. Jesus said that His kingdom is not of this world, and yet you worship the most violent state on Earth.

            I share the Gospel, at great risk to my life, in a Muslim country while you sit safely behind a keyboard in the US spewing hate for Muslims and considering yourself the model Christian as you bash me.

            You torture scripture and blaspheme Jesus by using His refutation of Satan’s temptations of wealth, power and pride to promote your agenda of wars of conquest, brutal use of murderous power, and jingoistic pride.

            You say my response to Islamism is lukewarm, while I am converting people away from it and advocating that Western countries block Muslim immigration while taking action against dangerous radicals. I also express a desire that they rescue endangered Christians, which I do not recall your mentioning.

            Your trailer park theology and hatred of Muslims do not impress me, and they certainly do not comport with Jesus’s teaching to pray for our enemies and do good to those who abuse us. And believe me, Muslims are much more dangerous to me than to you.

            Just war is very rare, and is only permissible when innocent life is endangered and no other means is likely to succeed. You express your support for military actions that clearly do not meet that test.

          • Steve

            Once more the holier-than-thou, flag-waving christian, “compassionate islam”, u.s. bashing, nationalist bashing, apologetic promotion for pacified christian islamist enabling show strikes in all of its polar dysfunction. You should see tickets with your juggling act!

  • joe kulak

    A billion people on the planet named after a pedophilic, mass-murdering psychopath with delusions or grandeur. One hell of a role model!

    • Steve

      Speaks a lot for conformity doesn’t it!

      Willy Wonka:

      There’s no earthly way of knowing, Which direction we are going
      There’s no knowing where we’re rowing, Or which way the river’s flowing
      Is it raining?, Is it snowing?, Is a hurricane a-blowing?
      Not a speck of light is showing, So the danger must be growing
      Are the fires of hell a-glowing?, Is the grisly reaper mowing?
      Yes, the danger must be growing, ‘Cause the rowers keep on rowing
      And they’re certainly not showing, Any signs that they are slowing!

  • idiots

    that idiot arab is a fbi stooge, give me a break, obombos playing game of snow job as he progressing real caliphate in america, you are all idiots believing in make believe,

    • mjazzguitar

      How much are they paying him to go to jail?

  • Millionmileman

    Well it has finally happened in Sheriff Clarke’s and my backyard. See we told us so!

  • Heather Vance-Nelson

    They are like ASSES, RIGHT!… Stupid FRIGGIN Muslim PIGS!… Hope he hangs!

  • A Fried

    In Israel they have a new strategy Stabbing young woman. In Europe they molest and Rape woman. Do they sound fit for western civilization?

    • Ari Chen

      The Arab Fakestinians terrorists murderers are on the lookout for pregnant Jewish women to stab and kill… two for the price of one. Maybe the same in Europe too… so pregnant ladies must be extra careful.
      They don’t sound ain’t fit for life on earth. Period.

      • John W.

        How sad that even bloodthirsty evil savages with a seventh-century mentality are more likely than Democrats to regard the killing of a pregnant woman as the ending of two separate lives.

  • Sifter

    Lies! Lies! Islam is Religion of Peace(TM)
    Just ask all those Israeli Jewesses with our knives sticking in their heads! We must kill to be peaceful. More killing= more peace.

    Make sense, yes? I must go now and defile Infidel harlots.

  • Anon nona

    No arrest. These murderers will be free as long as their Imam is in the white house. My h3ll, eleven more months.

    • mjazzguitar

      “He appeared in federal court in Milwaukee Tuesday and remains in custody.”

  • puhiawa

    I am still confused about his motive.

    • Evil Liberal

      I would say he is a retard wanna be. The FBI has dredged up a lot of them in the last few years.

      • Mental retardation is an actual physical condition with real people and real lives. I have been around long enough to see that word fall from usage as slur and return to usage. Take note please.

        • Evil Liberal

          I suppose that dates me then. >:)

        • Steve

          Yes, “m r” aptly applies to many of the inbred mudslime and hopefully will help destroy them. And some people make fun of stephen hawking! The barbarians are much more suited especially with all their hypocritical garbage blabber.

      • Dravaa

        no, he’s just a devout Muslim doin’ what his religion calls on him to do

        • Steve

          You know some of this is jealousy of the West on the part of the mudslime and its always been the truth. I wonder why dr bill warren, robert spencer, pam geller and others don’t emphasize it.

          Mudslime steal all the good things from cultures and reinvent them as their own and they have plenty of vice -plenty, as we well know. They chastise the west for porn but have harems. They criticize westerners for smoking but use hookah. They criticize adultery but allow pedophiles. They criticize profiling police and capital punishment in the west but have sharia trials and stone and behead people in public.

          Its a big jealousy factor they can’t deal with combined with their f’ed up brainwashing bull that drives them f’ing crazy with their phony sense of heroism for a phony religion that is really a killing mob cult.

    • Dravaa


    • freebird
      • IzlamIsTyranny

        What is Latma TV “not available in my country”? Does the White Mosque frown on Israeli humor?

        • freebird

          I like this kind of humor (sarc.) also from other country´s.So I like also some parts of your Saturday night live show.
          Here another part of jewish humor
          What´s up in your country you should better know then me.

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      It must have been an anti-islam internet video.

  • mjazzguitar

    He should get the death penalty.

  • conan_drum

    Another misfit who is very likely mentally disturbed. Normal people do not go out and plan mass murder

    • Dravaa

      normal Muslims do, they don’t seem shunned by the Muslim community at all

  • Reagan40

    Muslims are infidels that need to be destroyed in self-defence.

  • If this were funny, then I’d suggest that he be charged with “excessive exuberance”. This doesn’t approach humor.

  • Drew the Infidel

    Typical raghead with an overblown sense of his self importance. Give them an inch and they think they are a ruler (pun intended).

    • Dravaa

      haha, good one!

  • HolylandIsraelTours

    Those libtards who close a blind eye to the terror in Israel and in the ME will wake up one morning to realize that it is right in their house.

    • JWM

      It is in our house now. The willful ignorance is mind boggling.

    • Steve

      Maybe. A lot of them like to be abused though with their weird f’ing life styes. They might actually enjoy being whipped and abused several times a day.

  • durabo

    As long as the IslamoMarxist remains in power in the White House, all of these events will be labeled “random” or “workplace” violence, an blame will be assigned to – what else? – the GUN..

  • Fred Sawyer

    The federal government should reopen Alcatraz and send this savage to the hole for life with a steady diet of bacon and ham.

  • J.W.Lee

    Compare and contrast:
    Man plans to commit mass murder because he is muslim and believes he has a right to kill non-believers…we can’t label him a terrorist because we haven’t determined his motives.

    Man is killed because he believes The Government has overstepped its authority in amassing large amounts of land and has limited the rights of citizens…he is labeled a “domestic” terrorist…unworthy of determining his intent because it may reflect negatively on said government.

    That is tyranny…make an example so the public is intimidated into submission by threat of force.

    Where is the swift arm of Justice for Jack Yantis Family?

  • moberndorf

    But of course, Imam Obama wants to take away the legally obtained guns of white Americans. Guns are not the problem, nor are white Americans. Islam is the problem. Period!

    • Steve

      You mean madam imam obdumber?

  • অরুণ বাঙালি হিন্দু

    After every single day, they are becoming more intolerable and more incorrigible.

  • chris wolf

    Whoever would have guessed that the escaped convict from Orange County, California, who tortured a man with a blow torch and bleach and cut off his sex organs — is an Iranian!

    • Steve

      Hey, lol, you must be a phobe. I like the sarcasm! I wonder if allah gave him his 72 raisins?

  • Up Huff

    I’m thinking that the FBI is not charging this guy as a Muslim terrorist because they’re under orders from the WH not to do so.
    That being said, the charge is serious enough to put him away for a period. At least long enough to get a change in the WH and the (In) Justice Department where they’ll have no compunctions about calling a spade a spade, or a Muslim a Muslim. The statute of limitations doesn’t apply on conspiracy to commit mass murder, I don’t believe. Meaning an incoming Administration NOT Muslim oriented could still bring charges without concerning themselves about a Presidential Pardon.
    Can’t come soon enough.

  • Rocinante44

    in the long run, it would be better if we let these muslim killers just go ahead and murder lots of americans in many cities. after enough of this, america will beg its politicians to just round them all up and get rid of them. this present piecemeal approach of trying to politely stop them, amidst shouts of islamaphobia, is just going to be a slow, steady drip of murders anyway

    • IzlamIsTyranny

      I hope they murder lost of americans in Silicon Valley and San Francisco — where the atheist libtards love muslums (spit) and the BDS movement.

    • Steve

      Maybe but maybe not. Some of the dimmy women in germany are giving roses to the rapists. They may as well just shoot themselves. These scumbag muslims are digging their own holes slowly but surely!

  • Dr. Doomsday

    Throw him through the wood chipper, along with some ham.

    • Steve

      And feed his ass to the refugees.

  • Rob Porter

    Utterly astounding is the now often useless FBI not charging this man with terrorism. It is now evident that citizens of the U.S. will need to organize vigilante and other units and do the job for the country because also evident is that the FBI and CIA and Homeland Security are now so corrupted and neutered by Obama policies and so infiltrated by Muslims intent upon America’s destruction, that the FBI, CIA and Homeland Security cannot be countered upon to do this job.

    • Steve

      Its like the vietnam war going out into the jungle. You have to stick with your own. Its funny how war can make everything clearer.

  • Steve

    Thanks FBI for taking this scumbag Islamic off the streets.

  • IzlamIsTyranny

    I hope this didn’t take any valuable time away from the FBI investigation into the terrorist bacon incident in Las Vegas.

    • Steve

      Its a black comedy isn’t it?

  • Steve

    Why didn’t this classic profile terrorist go to Israel? He didn’t because they have a wall and they routinely as a policy screen for terrorism and protect their people from thsee cultists!

  • Steve

    At least they have the ass dressed in orange!

  • Robert Griffith

    How does committing cold blooded murder constitute “defending” one’s religion? What’s does he think is going to happen to his religion now that he won’t be getting the chance to murder anyone?

    • Steve

      Is-slime is a cult in every sense of the word – not a religion. It needs to be called for what it is- a killer cult. Even those mudslimers sitting back cheering on the brother hoods not involved in day to day “terror by mob” are not immune to its effects. The ‘slime often accuse christians and jews and other religions of being cults or worse and while most religions start as cults and have sometimes had violence in their histories all religions today, except “you know who”, have learned to live in relative peace. Not so with the 7th century horde being promoted by money and progressives. Here is a link you may have seen but just in case you haven’t –


      • Robert Griffith

        I agree. All cults sell themselves as religions. Real religions don’t exhort their followers to murder.

  • moberndorf

    Amazing how violent and murderous the Religion of Peace is.

  • Millionmileman

    Reporting from 5 miles from Ground Zero, we now have the language excuse, please!. His English was fine enough to be a waiter in on of my favorite restaurants!


  • E Wood

    Don’t mess with the masons. Bad idea.

  • joe kulak

    Millions of muslim deadbeats, like this one, have been given asylum in America. No good deed goes unpunished. This dirt ball was a big critic of this country, and planned to commit mass slaughter for notoriety and to defend his “religion”. How many more are just like him? I feel sorry for the good ones… all 3 of them.

  • George E. Smith

    “We are Muslims, defending Muslim religion?” That’s the reason for the planned attack on unarmed, honest, law abiding American citizens, in a Masonic temple?
    Sounds more like unprovoked mass murder!
    And, how is this planned mass murder a way to “defend” the religion? It will bring nothing but condemnation upon those of that religion.
    Our Constitution is set up to provide “freedom of religion” so all such organizations of any type can co-exist.

    Starting a war via mass murder is a good way to get the Muslim religion condemned and outlawed.
    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you!” The good old “Golden Rule!”
    LIVE IT!

  • iprazhm

    “But the FBI has not charged him with terrorism.” Yet the FBI recently shot an unarmed citizen protester in the face and arrested others in his group, to keep them from exposing massive amounts of evidence they’d collected which prove chronic and extensive government corruption and treason. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has become an illegal army of government Elite Police used like the SS Soldiers of Hitler, to intimidate, terrorize and murder American citizens deemed enemies of a corrupt US government. This agency must be shut down.

  • iprazhm

    FBI protects Islamic Terrorists and murders unarmed US Citizens

  • iprazhm

    FBI admits that ALL its forensic experts exaggerated hair evidence at every criminal trial for nearly 20 years – 26 employees in the agency’s hair comparison lab were allegedly involved – Overstated forensic matches so they favored prosecutors in 80s and 90s – Review conducted on 268 trials suggest 95 per cent were affected – Of those impact, 32 were sentence to death – 14 have since died
    By WILLS ROBINSON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM 18 April 2015 | UPDATED: 07:21 EST, 19 April 2015 :

  • joe1429

    Good work authorities, in stopping this nutcase!!


    I’m sorry but it sounds like they set up a dumbass. As soon as I read he had machine guns I knew it was either a typo or that the Feds gave them to him. We can’t support this kind of thing.

  • Mac Sterling

    Oh Yeah, I saw lots of coverage about this on all three networks and hour long specials on CNN and MSNBC

  • SoCalBohpGal

    Gitmo needs to stay open for “special people like this SOB & his posse, Obama, Clinton & so on.