Ex-Muslim: “Islam is Worse Than Nazism”

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Islam is Worse Than Nazism
by Serkan Engin

I am an atheist author and poet, who had lived as a Sunni Muslim for 23 years from birth, and I am still living in a Muslim country, Turkey. Also, my parents and all of my relatives are still Muslim. So, my critics about Islam can be easily consider this an inside view.

I know that the title of this essay seems assertive, but I will explain the rightness of this title step-by-step in this essay.

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First of all, you have to learn about Islam that if you are an “outsider”, a non-Muslim, for example, a Christian, an atheist, a Buddhist, a Jew or whatever else, all Muslims have the “right” of killing and raping you, grabbing all your properties, your country, land, money and anything else. They take this “right” from the book of their belief, the Quran. In other words, they take this “right” from their belief’s core, the theology of Islam.

Here are some examples of this in verses from Quran.

This verse of Quran is about “all non-Muslims”, all “heretics”! — Christians, Buddhists, atheists, Jews, etc. — describing them “who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad)”

Surat Al-Ma’idah (5.33)

http://quran.com/5/33

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.”

And this verse of the Quran is about the order to kill the humans who left Islam, the apostates:

Surat An-Nisa’ (4.89)

http://quran.com/4/89

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.”

Look at the current situation in Syria. How can Islamist terrorists slaughter Alawite people or rape Christian women so easily? Because they take this “right” from their belief and they believe that they will go to the heaven because of these vandalistic actions against “outsiders”, who are out of Islam, who don’t believe the same religious tenets — in other words, those who are the “heretics” according to their belief. Some Muslims say, “But they are not the real Muslims.” That is a big lie; that is the exact form of real Islam, because these vandalistic actions are in accord with the orders of Quran.

You have heard many times that “Islam is a tolerant religion”. That is the biggest lie that you can hear all over the World, and this lie is used as a mask to hide the terrible face of Islam. There is NO difference between Islam and Islamism. This is the main error that the modern world make about Islam. There are not different forms as Islam and Islamism, they are the same thing, and they have the same content. This separation is just only an illusion, and it is used by Muslims to hide the brutal, hateful, oppressive,murderous, genocidal face of Islam.

Islamic theology is based on the verses of the Quran and Hadith. Hadiths are the words and actions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and all Muslims must follow these words and actions in addition to the orders of Quran. For example, you have to defecate as Muhammad did, and you have to clean yourself as he did, or you can rape and enslave a “heretic” woman in a war as a sex slave as Muhammad did, or you can torture your enemy in a war to learn the place of his hidden money, as Muhammad did.

You “must” cut the hand of a thief as Muhammad did, not give him any prison sentence as do the modern laws.

You must stone a woman to death as Muhammad did, because she had sex outside of the rules of Islam (but you must only whip her partner a hundred times). If you are a Muslim, you can never set them free while considering that their sexual actions are about their own personal relations and freedom, in accord with modern laws. You must definitely apply the punishments of Muhammad such as stoning the woman to the death and whipping her partner a hundred times if you want to be a good Muslim.

You must kill the man who left the belief of Islam, as Muhammad did. You can’t say “This is his own choice and he has the freedom of thought and belief”, because it is an order of the Quran that you “must” kill the persons who were Muslim before and then left the Islamic religion.

You must kill all homosexuals according to the orders of Islam. No Muslims can say according to Islam that their sexual orientation is their own natural right, in accord with the human rights norms of our age.

You have the “right” to marry a little girl at 9 years old, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape a little child legally in Islam and make her a sex slave, and also a domestic slave till the end of her life.

You can lie alongside of your dead wife for 6 hours, as Muhammad did. In other words, you can rape the dead body of your wife for 6 hours after her death.

Here is Islam…Here is the “tolerant religion”…Here is the right way to the heaven…Here are the orders of Allah…Here are the actions of Muhammad…

You can easily see how civilized the Muslim countries of the world are because of Islam, such as Afghanistan, Nigeria, Turkey, Iran, Sudan and the others. You can see how much they have contributed to the history of philosophy, the history of art, and the history of science of the whole world. You can see how respectful they are to human rights, women’s rights, children’s rights, the freedom of expression and thought, the freedom of the press, the freedom of belief, etc.

The first genocide wave of 20th century, the Armenian Genocide, the Assyrian Genocide and the Pontic Greek Genocide, was perpetrated by Turkish and Kurdish people of the Ottoman Empire and the new Turkish Republic, getting motivation from the “rights” that they had because of Islam: the “rights” of killing and raping the non-Muslims, enslaving their women and little girls as sex slaves and also domestic slaves, and grabbing their money, houses and lands. However, “The Committee of Union and Progress” (CUP) (Turkish: İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti) was based on Turkish nationalism; they used Turkish and Kurdish people easily for these genocides because of the Islamic religion’s content about non-Muslims. All the Turkish and Kurdish Muslims believed that they would go to the heaven if they killed more non-Muslims, as do today’s Islamist terrorists.

The owners of the second genocide wave of 20th century were Nazis, as you know. They took the genocides of the Turks as a sample. It is know that Adolf Hitler said to his military commanders,“Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?,” while they were talking about the reaction of the world about the genocides that they were planning to perpetrate.

Nazism was considered a legal and respectable ideology at the beginning of the 1930s, and then the world saw how dangerous Nazism was. Millions of people died because of Nazism, and today it is illegal to support Nazism in any civilized country. You can never make propaganda about Nazism legally. Today, Nazism is not considered as a genuine thought alternative, and it is not included in the freedom of thought and expression.

As I have detailed above, Islam is against the human rights norms of our age, and it has more dangerous content than Nazism. Islam is not a belief alternative, it is just a crime against humanity, and any crime shouldn’t have freedom in our modern world. So, Islam must be declared illegal all over the world, as is Nazism, because of its vandal content and commands that are against human rights. All actions about Islam must be forbidden and the propagandists of Islam must be judged because of instigating to the crimes of murder, rape, grab and crimes against humanity. Otherwise, the world will meet with a big tragedy when the Islamists will get more power, as the world suffered because of Nazism.

 

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Grace
Grace
8 years ago

I am grateful for his brave testimony and pray he will investigate the Holy Judeo-Christian Scriptures and come to know true freedom. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Thank you very much for your kind words. You made me happy. I am an atheist author, but I have great respect to Jesus Christ.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

With your strong intellect, given to you by your Maker, I challenge you to study the Holy Bible and just try to prove it false….ok. Ask the Lord to open your understanding. I will hold up your soul and spirit to the Lord. May God be with you, bless you and save you!

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Intellect doesn’t lead to any God. At least it didn’t for Stephen Hawking.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago

Unless the Lord decides to stir up one’s spirit…God is certainly not tame. He moves according to His perfect will.

Grace
Grace
8 years ago

Stephen Hawking just breaks my heart to see him in that chair. I keep wondering if he would change his heart perhaps the LORD would do a great miracle and heal his body after he has opened his soul.
May the Holy Spirit reveal and give greater understanding which would lead to salvation
“Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12 May He grant you peace and wisdom in Him.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Grace…that is as beautiful as it is true! The Lord is sweeter than anything this world has to offer! And He is very smart and creative too! Afterall, He is the Creator!!

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

2 Kings 2:23-24King James Version (KJV)

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

SWEEEET!!

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

She?

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

And what are you? She, he, or it?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Your leg has been pulled……

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Bronish- don’t you like 2 Kings 2:23-24?
Why not? Too gutless to reply?

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

I’m not gutless at all….I’m just now checking this site, but at the same time there’s a wild-sounding storm brewing and I’m not going to miss it! I’ll get back to you.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Checking this site? For what?
2 Kings 2:23-24; it’s right here, all you need to do is
read it and then convince me this is really all about
love and wonderfulness….

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Jim Fox, what made you think I don’t like, or like, for that matter, 2 Kings 2:23-24?You don’t know me at all. So…you jumped to a conclusion about me by stating that I don’t like it and then accusing me of being too gutless to reply. I suggest you think before typing….ok.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

I am challenging your brainless claim that your ‘god’ is wonderful- by quoting from his wonderful book. Indeed I know your type- bible bashers are so predictable.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Yes- he is!! I love your exclamation marks!!!! I must use more of them !!!!!! This is so GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

And so is this— https://youtu.be/aPriOQkKd6k

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

almost nothing trumps monty python….not even islam……

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

sounds like you have a crush?

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

Yes, I have a crush on my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! Glad you noticed!

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Crush:
It’s almost that time in the vineyards……

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Wow here come the Jesus lovers one by one! 😀 He should definitely heal Stephen Hawking I think, because no other miracle has ever been confirmed in the history of mankind but this could really be an eye opener for the world!

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago

Ha-ha! That’s right! There is none like our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!! Praise Him all ye who love the Lord!

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

2 Kings 2:23-24King James Version (KJV)

23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Come on, Bronish- Bears got your tongue???

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Bears?

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

That’s what your insane book says! Don’t ask me-look it up, stupid.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Once more…

BEARS??
That’s what your insane book says! Don’t ask me-look it up, stupid.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Allahu’Akbar!!

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

I’m not too sure whether I should be sad for you or worried that you have/will never meet the most important man in your life 🙁 sucks to be you. Have you ever seen him, even from a distance? Or is he imaginary?

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

You don’t know me either….how do you think you know anything about me? Sheeeesh….well, I guess I’ve stirred up some previously brain-dead types….now all you gotta do is try thinking! Heh

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

You, who believes in ancient tribal fairy stories, talk of ‘thinking’?
IF you were capable of rational thought, you’d realise just how
idiotic are your beliefs.
All anyone needs to know about you is that you are a bible-basher
and all-round fool.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

Who the hell are you waffling about? Jeebus, presumably?
“Or is he imaginary?” YOU SAID IT!

BTW, have you checked up on those child-eating bears yet??

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

I did !! HAHHAHAHA so according to Christian holy scripture, two lady-bears strolled into town and ate a bunch of kiddies. And people killed in the name of this crap for thousands of years!

Grace
Grace
8 years ago

Perhaps none that you have seen, but are you looking? Forget the fact that we are made up of nothing but about 17 minerals and a bucket of water yet we eat, breath, procreate, etc. What is the difference between you and a cadaver? You both have the same body makeup yet one is alive and the other is dead. Where does ‘life’ come from?
Do not disregard the fact that the disciples not only saw the miracles and wrote about them, there were 500 who saw Christ after His resurrection. The disciples went to their death proclaiming Jesus is the Christ as prophesied in the Holy Scriptures. They would not all die for a lie. Would you?
Study with an open heart and ask God to show you. He wants you to know Him. He knows your name. He knows how long you are going to live. He knows your decision about where you are going to spend eternity. Will you spend it with Him or cast out away from Him. These are our choice and we make the determination in this life.

Peacelover
Peacelover
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

The 17 minerals and bucket of water formed us well before your Jesus was born. Christianity is a fairly new faith when compared to others like Hinduism and Buddhism. Life, civilisation and religion all existed well before so don’t remain in the false belief that Christ and Christianity are responsible for life and religion. That said.. I have respect for all religions.. Just let it be to each their own (as long as it does mean harming others) and live in peace!

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Peacelover

Christianity did not start 2000 years ago. The foundation goes back before the beginning of time. It is the fulfillment of the promises of God written in the Jewish Tanakh.

“In the beginning God created the heavens and earth” Genesis 1:1

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made.”, “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:1-3, 14

There is no faith that has any historical writings that go back before the Jewish writings.

Everyone has to make their own choices, but it would be better that the individual at least investigate the other faiths and deeply search their foundations.

We will die one day and our soul will live forever some place else. There is a Creator who loves us more than we can know and who die to take away my sins. There are 1000s upon 1000s of proofs to the Scriptures that they are true. I want to be with Him.

Did you know that the Scriptures are really 66 books written by 40 different God inspired writers over the course of about 1,500 years? All the Scriptures point to God redeeming mankind. It is about 27% prophetic with over half of the prophecies having already come true with 100% accuracy which can be validated. There is more to come. The living Word of God is not through fulfilling the prophecies.

We are about to get into some extremely hard times world wide. If you do not believe now, I pray that when these things hit you will reconsider. The true Christians will be gone very soon. God is about to judge the earth. All you need do is call upon His Name. And that Name is Jesus Christ.

Kriemhild
Kriemhild
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

People think that we see with our eyes — but after we are dead, we still have our eyes, but they do not see. It is not the eyes that see, it is the Soul.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Kriemhild

freaky man

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Kriemhild

Possibly

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Kriemhild

No, our eyes decay along with the rest of the body. I thought that was blindingly (!)
obvious but apparently not…

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

I reserve the right to disregards fairytales which some people for some reason consider facts. When your god is ready to talk, send him to me. I have no clue how to contact a creature I do not believe exists, maybe you can school me on how you would contact Zeus?

Grace
Grace
8 years ago

God sees the heart. He also knows what you are thinking. All you need do is speak to Him in your heart and with your mind. He loves you. I pray He will answer a prayer that you have had for a very long time that no one else knows so that you will know that He knows. Even if you do not believe He exists ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He will, just keep your heart open and you will see. You will see with your spirit. We all have one.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

He knows when you are sleeping
He knows when you’re awake
He knows when you’ve been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
You better not cry
You better not pout
I’m telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town…
I choose Santa!!!!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

Santa is for children,God is for spiritually mature people. When you are a child you speak and think as a child. Paul is talking about maturing in the Spirit. But you’re hurting yourself by being so adamant ,not me,not anyone else.God wants you because you are one of His children,but He won’t force you. You are living in a pointless universe,nothing you do has any meaning.You are just meaningless pointless matter,programmed by some blind selection of the forces of nature. This is your belief,despite being surrounded by evidence to the contrary. This is a sentence you have imposed on yourself; It doesn’t have to be like that. But as I said above,even your “religion” and god,science or chance , is starting to unravel by it’s own resources.Many scientists have found that the more they see and learn about the immense complexity of living things,all things,the more they realize that this universe is designed and created. Even the “big bang” has to recognize a creator. Before the “big bang”,nothing existed,not space,not time,nothing,From nothing comes nothing. But the Universe exists . Everything that exists must be created, Everything that is created must have a creator,the universe was created therefore the universe has a creator. Who do you think that creator is, Santa Clause?

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

No need to call me a child because I don’t share your beliefs. If you religious nuts were confident in your delusions, you would not find the need to attack and insult others. Whatever gives you comfort.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

amen to that!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

No ones attacking you;I am merely exposing your delusion and lack of logic. You are spiritually immature ,not physically. This is why you cannot digest the real food of faith. Like a child who needs milk and is not ready for solid food. But no one should stay a baby for ever.

Dub Bully
Dub Bully
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

If you actually understood the Big Bang you would also understand that it doesn’t need a creator a architect or even a anything. I suggest you put down your watchtower cherry picked explanations of the world and broaden the sources where you get you information from. There were a lot of great people who believed in God trouble is most of them didn’t have a choice.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

“If you actually understood the Big Bang”… Um, exactly where did all the energy and mass in the universe, that has always existed come from? Uranus?

Dub Bully
Dub Bully
8 years ago

it came from nothing. I could try to explain that a nothing so dense can create a universe but first you would have to comprehend nothing. I believe your indoctrinated mind is incapable. The Big Bang was not the beginning of the universe just a change in the fabric,(don’t worry I won’t call it a blended fabric) all that energy and mass was there but it was nothing.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

LOL, and you indict people for believing in sky fairies? Your theory has about as much substance as tissue paper.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

Sounds like that should start with “Once upon a time” and end with “and they all lived happily ever after”. There is no “proof” that nothing produces something;this sounds very like a matter of faith,some might call it a religion. Energy and mass is actually something,the Big Bang doesn’t mention rearranging anything.It states it created everything which includes energy and mass. This is Science squirming on the hook. Some are prepared to go to any absurdity rather than have their precious beliefs destroyed.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

Enlighten me.How does nothing produce nothing? You are probably an expert on nothing. I am not a Jehova’s witness;I am a non denominational Christian. I suggest you read “Darwin’s Black Box” by MIchael Behe. Not all scientists are happy with the science of the “Big Bang” ,it has it’s problems. Most great scientists recognised the hand of a designer in creation. You cannot force people to believe in God;believing and SAYING one believes is a totally different thing. Newton ,for just one example ,was a Christian and also a great scientist.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Now you’re talking crap- Behe is a charlatan who’s been defeated and debunked in debate with real scientists.
Creationism… Oh, please!

You are unaware that matter pops into and out of existence in the LHD experiments all the time. So, no the ‘first cause’ argument has been proven to be baloney- by science.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

I see.Because Behe finds evidence of creation he is a Charlatan.Of course he is. To the contrary he ,and colleagues, easily hold their own in debate. Funny thing,about LHD experiments,there wasn’t any large helical device hanging about before the “big bang”,nor light,nor matter or anti matter or protons or anti protons. There was nothing. actual nothing which is a concept that we really cannot grasp. I think saying matter “pops” in and out of existence is simplifying it somewhat. The first cause argument has not been debunked at all.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Oh dear. Nothing further.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine
Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Who do you think that creator is, Santa Clause?

YES!!!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

How sad.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

inability to ID sarcasm s far, far worse

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

The ontological argument and the first cause argument- both discredited as ‘thinking God into existence’

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Those who speak to God are praying; those who hear God speaking to them are PSYCHOTIC

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

hahhahahaaha

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

Zeus ,is obviously a myth. The god Zeus never offered human beings reconciliation to God and an eternal life. There is absolutely nothing that Zeus and God have in common. The story of God’s interaction with His creation is not remotely like a fairy tale,it is a real event witnessed by real people. You can’t contact something that you don’r believe exists,you wouldn’t try. If you did try then you would believe it existed. But anyone can contact God,if they want to,and He will send the Holy Spirit to dwell in you. But you believe in nothing so you can have nothing.That’s up to you. But science is leaving you behind,many men of science are realizing that God exists and He designed the complexities of the Universe.

Dub Bully
Dub Bully
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

In your book it states: thou shall not worship false gods or idols.
This statement means there is more than one God as it uses the plural in Hebrew so Zeus is as least as real as your God.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

What part of “false” is confusing you?

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Uhm it is totally like a fairy tale. You’re obviously too deep into your own religion that you are unable to see the similarities with all of the other ones. “The god Zeus never offered human beings reconciliation to God and an eternal life.” That’s the worst argument ever. It’s like me saying “God never fought the Titans, therefore it can’t be true”.

And no, it’s not up to me. I can’t start believing in your god hence I can’t contact him. Now tell me what you would do to contact Zeus, because whatever you feel towards Zeus is how I feel towards your god. It’s NOT a choice. So it’s NOT because I don’t want to, it is because I don’t and can’t believe because I see ZERO evidence for his existence.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

He “designed” YOU- what a colossal fuck-up he made!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

There is a technical term for people like you;brainless tosser. I think it is self explanatory. What an absolute idiot. does your nurse know you’re out.?

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

You can’t contact something that don’t believe exists,it would be strange if you could. If you really don’t believe it exists you will not try to contact it. I would not try to contact Zeus because I know it does not exist, I would not pray to Allah because I know it does not exist. You must first be prepared to consider that God does exist ;then through faith you can contact God ,He will do the rest.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

God ,He will do the rest.

‘he’ has done so well for the Jews, lately……

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

“we are made up of nothing but about 17 minerals and a bucket of water”

REALLY, Grace? Bad news- you’re an intellectual pygmy.

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Ok, not 17, only 11. Yes, really ‘pretended knower of all things’. We have to be made up the the elements of the earth because our bodies work in sync with it. We eat much of what is produced from it. What did you think you were made of?
https://askabiologist.asu.edu/content/atoms-life

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

“the fact that we are made up of nothing but about 17 minerals and a bucket of water”

WHERE did you get this little gem of “science”, dopey??
Christ, some people are so stupid…

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Some people are willfully blind to the Truth….some are blinded by the Enemy….all we can do, Grace, is try to point the way and remember to pray for them.

Commieobamie
Commieobamie
8 years ago

” no other miracle has ever been confirmed in the history of mankind”
Man, you are either blind or just refuse to look. Miracles are confirmed all over the world.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

right

Patricia
Patricia
8 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

. . . “Miracles are confirmed all over the world,” AND on a DAILY BASIS!

My GOD ROCKS EVERY BLESSED DAY!

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Patricia

Miracles? Only if your mind is diseased…

Patricia
Patricia
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Yes, miracles! No, “only if your mind is” receptive. . .

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Patricia

You have the virus, I see. Very sad.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Patricia

Name a miracle. God re-grows a person’s amputated limb, perhaps? Thought NOT!

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Commieobamie

Then show us just ONE. Dillbrain.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

You obviously aren’t keeping up. There are many eye witnesses to the miracles that Christ performed.More witnesses than to many other historical events.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

o, sure.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Eye-witness testimony; the most UNRELIABLE of all.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

A great deal of history depends on it. Are you going to ignore most of our historical knowledge?

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Google modern experiments with eye-witnesses; they are utterly unreliable on average. If you include the bible as historical evidence you are on very thin ice- we can’t be at all confident in 2000 year old eye-witness ‘evidence’.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Have you ever read Caesars “Gallic Wars”,or the accounts of the Battles in England in 1066? ;how about Pepys fire of London.? Just a tiny sample;all eye witness accounts.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

The ‘eye witness’ bible is utter bollocks. Now go away and grow up.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Stop being a prat,you’re making yourself look ridiculous;worse that that you are behaving like an ignorant oaf. Stop contacting me if you don’t want me to reply.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Stop contacting me if you don’t want me to reply.

hahahahahahahaha

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

I like your sense of humour.!

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

thanks!

We are blessed to have good teachers.
Famliar with Mark Steyn?
His verbal deliveries are real zingers.

http://www.steynonline.com

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Leofwine….there are some strange types here….to not trust an eye-witness account is beyond me. Me thinks some here are products of the godless, pagan public schools here in America….but then so am I and I got saved by the Lord and Creator of this universe….and by His grace I live and try to serve n bless others as I have been blessed.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Bronish It’s the same here in England;it’s the way of the modern world. It’s because the people have abandoned God and the saving grace of Christ that false doctrines ,such as Islam,find it easy to enter our societies. All we can do is tell them the facts as we understand them. Notice they always bring up the old testament,there is nothing to criticise in Christ’s gospel. But obviously Christ has laid to rest the old contract as it applied to the old Jews. He has taken the burden of the law upon Himself. When we have a new agreement it is silly to keep worrying about the old one. God was strict with the old Jews because He was shaping them for His purpose;but really so what? That is now past. Christ has told us and shown us the true character of God now we are reconciled to Him. Don’t worry about it;i’m sure God will unfold things as they are meant to be unfolded,for His purpose and our good.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

DONE!!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Good.

karpenter
karpenter
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

‘Rich Oral Tradition’ = ‘Illiterate’
Most Of Our Historic Knowledge Comes From
Which Culture Of Illiterates, Sir ??

karpenter
karpenter
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

MOST Unreliable ??
I’m Going With ‘Rich Oral Tradition’

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Stephen Hawking is an anti-Israel toerag…

karpenter
karpenter
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Hawking Is Constantly Rolled Out For One Reason
His Paralysis
He Is ‘Future Man’, Raw Intellect Encumbered By A Mortal Body

They Fancy Themselves To Become Like The Martian Elders In ‘Stranger In A Strange Land’

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Original Sin- that’s why Hawking has been punished. Serve him right for not believing in Dog. Of course, if he only believed, the Magic Fairy in the Sky would definitely cure him. It stands to reason. Doesn’t it?

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

so when’s that happened since you’ve been alive? Any videocameras catch these miraculous events of healing? Science saved his life, technology makes him able to carry on. No voodoo ever fixed anything.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

It did for Isaac Newton, the man who discovered one of the four fundamental forces in the universe and co-inventor of a whole branch of mathematics called calculus.

No Quarter
No Quarter
8 years ago

So what. It is all this crazy god crap that has us in this crazy situation where a death cult from the desert is a threat to the entire planet and freedom. All the religions are crap with one as useless as the next. islam is not a religion, only a cult of the moon god. That being said, islam is a death cult, Submit or Die.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  No Quarter

you cannot compare Christianity with Islam;Christianity bears no resemblance to Islam.there is nothing in the teachings of Jesus that will lead anyone to kill or torture or torment. islam is a political ideology masquerading as a “religion”. Christianity is God’s invitation to salvation through Jesus.

Dub Bully
Dub Bully
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

It does bear resemblance to some pagan religions does it not.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

Yes indeed- since it was written when paganism was the accepted wisdom.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

See The Golden Bough for all this religious rootism

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

What did you have in mind?

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

You are excluding the primitive savagery of the Old Testament, I assume?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

we no longer Iive that way

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Is that an answer? I’m asking you about BELIEF- in that paragon of virtue, the Bible.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

paragon of virtue,
I do not believe an inanimate object can be
a paragon of virtue,

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Great answer!!

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

OK, let’s not get caught up in silly wordplay. You know full well what I’m trying to express but I’m so ancient that memory fails me.

Anyway you’re WRONG–A model of excellence or perfection of a kind; a peerless example: a paragon of virtue. 2. a. An unflawed diamond

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

I sit corrected.
paragon of virtue to whom?

I’m focused on the paragon of dis virtue, the koran.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

To Christians- is that obscure? Koran focus- excellent. Stay on it.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

The old testament relates a different relationship between God and man.It is more concerned with God’s relationship with the Jews,the people through whom God planned to bring Grace into the world. The Jews were under the law because they had to be kept suitable for God’s plan. The wars between the Jews and the pagan tribes are relatively savage ,but it is important to remember that they were only for that time and those peoples ,not open ended as in Islam. The old testament is also about preparing the way for Christ. It is also argued that whether these events really happened is not the point,they are shadows of the things to come. Joshua,a name which is the same as Jesus,also saved his people from evil ,and all the evil had to be destroyed to protect the people of God,as later Jesus destroyed the power of evil over His people. Jesus came to fulfill the old Mosaic law,to open a new chapter in God’s relationship with man kind,enter into a new contract. The old and new were rolled up in one ,Christ. When the new comes the old is superseded. In Biblical terms ,the people that were destroyed had brought their fate upon themselves by their atrocious behaviour, and their corroding influence had to be erased. It was a terrible thing in many ways but God would have no pleasure in it. There is a difference in doing something catastrophic which needs to be done,and hating it, and doing that same act and enjoying it.
In some ways rather like the dropping of the Atomic bomb on Japan,twice. It was a terrible thing to do and in normal circumstances no one in their right mind would even consider such a thing. But the circumstances were not normal. Japan had stated her intention to fight on and on and on.This ,it was calculated,would prolong the war for 10 years ,until 1955,and mean the death of up to 1000,000 allied soldiers. The bomb had to be dropped.The people were warned,but they carried on. The bomb was dropped and many people died,many were little children ,women ,babies. No one enjoyed doing it.No one laughed. The men who did the deed believed they had done what needed to be done. They were brave men,I wouldn’t want to do it. People were glad that the war would end through this terrible power,not because of the deaths of many,let’s face it,innocents.
Out of this cataclysm a new Japan arose,better ,happier and with much more freedom. America and the allies did all they could to repair Japan. That time is now gone and hopefully the sort of action necessary to stop Japan won’t be necessary again. Same with God.The old testament time is past.Christ has brought a new relationship whereby God and man are at peace with each other through Christ. Hence at Christ’s birth the Angel said,”peace on Earth ,Goodwill to men”The centre of Christianity is Christ,not the old contract ,but the new.

FreethinkerII
FreethinkerII
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

What you spam by copying and pasting a sermon?

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  FreethinkerII

I don’t need to.I have a large library,and have spent 60 years reading,since I was about 10. Try it;you might really learn ,not just Parrot.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

IF it takes ALL this verbiage to make your case, it is a very suspicious argument… It is the SAME GOD, is it not?? The same vicious genocidal maniac? Or is he now a different God??

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

No.Allah was a pagan god long before Muhammad came along.It was a Moon god.it had 3 goddess daughters. Allah has a totally different personality to God,different relationship to humanity,is not our Father,rather humans are Allah’s slaves;Muhammad father was called Abdulla,slave of Allah, Allah does not have 3 personas,as in Father, son and Holy Ghost. Muhammad took a god known by the Arabs already and told them he was the one true God,not the God of the Jews and Christians, the Jews and Christians had corrupted their holy books,he said,to exclude Allah and Muhammad. Allah means ,the chief god of many gods.The Arabs had about 360 gods ,idols in the kaaba. Muhammad eventually smashed them.

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

yeah and Christmas was a pagan holiday long before Jesus came along. And Easter was a pagan fertility festival. And all religions stem from the original concept of sun and moon god so what’s your point?

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

My point is obvious ,what’s your point? Do you think you have just made a new ,revelational statement;something no ones ever heard before? Christmas does not pretend to be the actual birthday of Christ ,it celebrates the event of His birth. It is ,as the name says,Christ’s mass, The early church was pragmatic;it allowed the new converts to celebrate the Christian festivals at the time of their old pagan festivals.These people came from a pagan tradition and were not ready to totally forget their ancient ways. Easter is similar. Eostra the old germanic goddess had some attributes that the church was willing to concede to the new converts because it reflected the Christian message of life and renewal,dimly of course.Eosturmonath,the old English name for April,( Northumberland dialect)was associated with the rebirth of a pagan deity and the world in general. The church tolerated this but most of these old customs had gone by the 8th century. NOt every country calls Easter Easter. It is called Paques in France.It comes from the Jewish word Pessa meaning pass away or pass over as in the Jewish festival.

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

If there is a God he’s either an evil megalomaniac, doesn’t give a damn about people, or he’s completely useless at his job! Tell me, Christians, is God responsible for all the billions of failed stars and solar systems? If so, it’s not much of a perfect design!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

You don’t really expect an answer to that,do you? You’ll have to ask God. I can see that there is a perfect and complex design in things around me. Order is normally worked at.

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

levicticus 18 22 is a good one. ‘man shall not lie with another man, it is an abomination’ , or some crap

sodacrackers2
sodacrackers2
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

It still applies.

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

So you can’t see any resemblance at all. Not the fact that it’s a monotheistic religion with a God (Allah), who created the world, humans and cares about what they do. then there’s a prophet (jesus/muhummad), one main holy book (bible/Quran). Both have a satan character and angels. Both believe in Judgement day, or revelation. Both have heaven and hell. Jesus features in the Quran, which documents his seecond coming in a prophecy (something else both religions believe in.
YOU BOTH BELIEVE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SAME FAIRYTALE!!!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  ar

Whether it’s a “fairy tale “or not depends on ones own experience and understanding. Islam is a fairy tale although some of the Characters from the Torah and Gospels do turn up.But they are a confused shadow of the real people of the Bible.Jesus is a totally different entity in the Koran with no saving power by grace from God. The Koran confuses the trinity ,it says the trinity is God,Jesus and Mary. Muhammad probably obtained this from heretical sects that existed in the Middle East countries then.
Muhammad wanted Christians and Jews ,mainly ,to accept that his old tribal head god ,Allah,was the God of the prophets and Jesus.He regarded them all as Muslims and created a false history regarding Abraham. Muhammad wanted Allah to be the one God but of course Allah had pagan attributes.
His idea was retrograde,taking the world back away from the light of Christ to the old days of judgement under the law. Allah’s law was based on the rules of God ,but a lot more vindictive and arbitrary. It condoned lying,torture,sexual licence ,and degrading women,amongst other things. It condoned spreading the faith by violence and destruction. All the things that Christ forbad.
Allah’s personality is a stark contrast to the personality of the God as revealed by Christ,one cruel,capricious,scheming and the other,God, loving kind and righteous.
It is not surprising that Islam and Christianity share some things,not in essence ,but in name only, as Muhammad’s Islam is a rehash of the Torah,Gospels,zoroastrianism and pagan rituals. The meaning of Christ totally eludes them,as does the concept of salvation through Grace.
Islam believes that the end of the age cannot come until the Jews have been fought and destroyed.Then Jesus returns,but He is a Muslim;He breaks all the crosses and condemns Christians. Not the same Jesus or the “end of days” as prophesied in Revelation. Actually Christians could be very offended by it,but it’s not what we do. The Jews certainly could be offended too,but it’s not their way either.

alexinfinite
alexinfinite
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Just the old testament. But nothing compares!

chris
chris
8 years ago
Reply to  alexinfinite

Which we were told to disregard when Jesus set foot upon this earth

alexinfinite
alexinfinite
8 years ago
Reply to  chris

Read your bible he said he came to fulfill not abolish the old rules. Nice try though

Lion Heart
Lion Heart
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Mr Jesus was a racist (Matthew 15:26), genocidal maniac (Deut 20:13-17), a pedophile (NUM 31:17-35), who condoned torturing of slaves (Exodus 21:21), butchering native babies (1Samuel 15:3), stealing land of native people (Deut 8:7-9), terrorizing innocent people (Joshua11:40), raping the captive women (Deut 21:11-13.

Note: Some of the above crimes were committed by Mr YAHWEH.

Since father and son are same, above crime are deemed to have been committed by Mr Jesus

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Lion Heart

Oh dear! you are in a bad way.

Alicia Summers
Alicia Summers
8 years ago
Reply to  Lion Heart

God The Son, Jesus Christ is the Only Way, The Truth and The Light. Anyone who says otherwise speaks for Satan, The “Father of Lies”

Lion Heart
Lion Heart
8 years ago
Reply to  Alicia Summers

Christianity says that FAITH alone is enough…here is the reference from NT:

Rom. 8:1-12: For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but Jesus will send you into heaven..

So paedophile priests will go to heaven courtsey Mr Jesus..because they chanted name of Jesus whole life..

What about Gandhi?

He will go to hell..because he did not belive in Jesus (John 3:36, John 3:16)..

What a stupid belief..only chrsitains will belive in such a stupidity

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  No Quarter

But the atheist states of Communist China, the USSR, N. Korea and Cuba have probably killed many, many, many more people in the name of atheist Communism than have ever been killed in the name of Christianity. Stalin alone killed more people than Hitler.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

NOT this old chestnut AGAIN??
The 20th century megalomaniacs kiled because they were psychopaths, not because they were atheists.
Religion kills in the name of their ‘God’
as in the Inquisition, Allahu Akbar, etc.
So which ‘god’ motivated these ‘atheist’ killers??

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

The religion of genocide: More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined

The Spanish inquisition (Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición) from 1478 to 1834 was established due to muslim invasions. It was the war and battle to try and end Islamic infiltration, Arab fascism and conquest. It’s quite interesting how similar to muslims their methodology was. Was it habit by long association under muslim rule or a strategy?

Note: The Spanish Inquisition was an answer to the multi-religious nature of Spanish society following the reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula from the Muslim Moors.

Since over half of Islamic doctrine is about Kafirs (non-Muslims), it follows that prayers would include Kafirs too, so every day, a Muslim prays for the punishment and suffering of all Kafirs. The prayers also follow the Koranic doctrine that Muslims are not to be a true friend of them. Muslims are to forsake and turn away from Kafirs.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/muslims-have-killed-over-590-million-non-muslims-since-the-birth-of-mohammed/

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Agree with all of that- but once again- what ‘God’ do atheists worship?
Please, a rational reply- NOT Richard Dawkins!

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Problem is, Atheism is an institution of belief. Same problem as religion. I dont like cricket, but i dont sit around in a group chatting about my dislike of cricket. Agnostic is saying “we can never prove either way so who gives a crap”, quite like the idea of nothing-ing religion altogether.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

what ‘God’ do atheists worship?

What are the choices?

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

NONE

ar
ar
8 years ago

More than The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Witch Hunts, the AIDS epidemic in Africa caused by priests telling people condoms are bad,etc….? You are comparing a 100 year period with 2000 years of killing in the name of religion. MOST IMPORTANT- Stalin didn’t kill BECAUSE he was an atheist, whereas these atrocities are/were carried out IN THE NAME of christianity

sodacrackers2
sodacrackers2
8 years ago
Reply to  No Quarter

It is not a religion; it is a political system.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  sodacrackers2

WHAT is???

sodacrackers2
sodacrackers2
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Islam.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  sodacrackers2

yep.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Newton was quite eccentric. Was he not a researcher in alchemy? Genius does not always mean rational.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

For Newton to make public his rejection of the Trinity would have been illegal in 17th-century England (and would have, at the very least, destroyed his university career), so he shared his religious writings and opinions with only a few close friends.

http://seileronscience.blogspot.com/2012/01/how-religious-was-isaac-newton.html

ar
ar
8 years ago

Isaac newton was considered a heretic , so that doesn’t really make sense. And most others were non-christian. Einstein for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_Newton

alexinfinite
alexinfinite
8 years ago

He also believed in alchemy but I don’t see anyone heralding that as his lasting contribution to humanity. Or as a defining factor for what he did contribute

Valhalkarie
Valhalkarie
8 years ago

Why when ISLAM is confirmed and privied to be the most barbaric abusive Mesoginistic sick warped EVIL at root for ALL CUREENT MASS oppression,woman Abusing, human suffering NOW,TODAY do so many Start to hate Christianity and compare Christ to Islam? The NEW testiment reforms the old for Christians! Christ taught ,love you’re enemy,pray for them,forgive everyone that has harned you” Don’t harm disbelievers in me. A person stealing bread ir a meabs to survive ie;food that is NOT a sin,Mohamnad said,Smite the necks of ALL non believers, kill apostates,a woman’s testimony is only equal to a man if there are 2of them,Cut off hands of thief’s,even if it’s a 12 yr old kid starving to death, 9year okd little girls can be raped,molesting 6yr olds is Godly. If a woman is out without a tent with slits she deserves to be raped if she is because she didn’t have a tent on to disappear fir Muslim men can’t control There sexual urges. Islam has never had any sort of Reformation,they dint reflect on failures, they just ruin There homes by oppression and murder/war. I was a Liberal until I realized I was hating on my own pll.my heritage,ancestors accomplishments,died for us to even think like this. The Western world kead by Christianity IS the reason we think with aspirations of tolerance acceptance and coexisting in a place of total acceptance ,ALL modern discoveries were made in Christian countries! Islam killed the world’s first civilizations that discovered numbers,history recording,cuneiform,etc after Islam……..beep……. Please just open ur eyes! today not 100 years ago NOW bad ideas and hating them us nit intolerant! Tolerating intolerance does not make you a good human you are sacrificing you’re children’s future by tolerating masses of intolerant people the weak will be over run by the most intolerant. Anyone with eyes can see where it us! You know you are scared of hearing Allah Akbar in ur town square because you know what goes with it! Stop denying that Islam is not a terrifying idiology that abolished every freedom you enjoy! Dont sacrifice the future of Western civilization on foggy wishes for masses of oppressive people to be a peace loving accepting group. Western countries are not perfect but you promoting the world’s most oppressive people from earths hell holes if civilizations incapable of progress as a aspect we need in a free just society evolving daily for more just causes you will be a fool vilifies in history and responsible for years of wars in the West just trying to get rid of the crazy pockets of terrorizing jihadists seeking eternal erect cocks to screw 72virgin sex slaves in heaven as his wife watches in an eternal hell if heartbreak and God santified Adultry.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Nor did it for Einstein- despite what some religious zealots try to claim.

No Quarter
No Quarter
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Bronish, I challenge you to shut up about the bible and focus on the task at hand which is what to do about this pesky little cult called islam. What you neglect to understand is that the man is an atheist and does not have a maker like you do. I don’t have a maker either. If you have a maker, please ask for a makeover, so you stop being an ass when it comes to people that reject the whole god thing. islam = death etc. etc.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  No Quarter

The god of Islam is Allah,not the God of Jews and Christians at all.Allah means “the god” as in chief god in a panoply of gods. allah had “children” Al-lat, Al- Uzzar and Lat,goddesses. Allah is just a pagan Moon god. It shouldn’t be confused with God.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

allah is a moon god mo stole from another desert tribe, along w/the kaba

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  No Quarter

I don’t have a maker either.

book maker?

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  No Quarter

I’ll never shut up, you silly, little pin-headed person….until my Maker takes me home I will speak out about His greatness, mercy, grace, and love to all who have ears to hear.

Dub Bully
Dub Bully
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

King Herod who was slandered in your bible had every one of his orders recorded. These orders which include killing his own family members and other bad stuff that who ever wrote you book of fiction could of stated. His last order on his death bed was not carried out which was to sacrifice a number of noblemen men to mark his death so people would have to grieve on the day of his passing. There is no recording of him sacrificing babies anywhere in legitimate historical record. In fact he died died before the fraud that is Jesus was even born so how could he have ordered his execution. I also enjoy reading how you beat your slaves with sticks because your lord endorses having slaves or if I wear a cotton polyester blend clothing or eat certain foods I’m evil.
All religious doctrine is evil and I welcome the day in the near future where all the churches are forced to pay their tax, apologise for their past crimes and hand back the artefacts stolen from past ancestors.
You are not my enemy if you believe in a god but you are the enemy of mankind.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Dub Bully

You are quoting the old testament which does not have a hold over Christians because Jesus fulfilled the law,fulfilled means that it is satisfied or achieved.The purpose of the law was achieved when Christ came . Jesus IS the law,follow Him and you follow the law. Actually the Jews had very strict rules regarding the treatment of slaves and they were not allowed to ill treat them,over work them or prohibit them from marriage etc. Every seven years people were expected to review all their affairs and free slaves,normally with a sum of money.slavery in Judaism was abolished very early in their history. Slavery to the Jews was more like what we would call a bonded servant. Christians cannot have slaves or be slaves because only God can possess a human being and as Christians we already belong to God through Christ ,not as slaves but as joint heirs. Any Christian who owned a slave was in grave error.

Alicia Summers
Alicia Summers
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

All the branches of Science were founded by THEISTS, mostly Christian. The university system as we know it was founded by Catholicism and the oldest extant academy of science is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences based in the Vatican and under the presidency of prof. Werner Arber, Nobel Laureate in medicine. It also has arguably the most science Nobel Laureates of any science academy. All those anti-theists are in the minority in history and today.
SEE:
http://www.casinapioiv.va/content/accademia/en/academicians/nobel.html

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Alicia Summers

i am not arguing with that Alicia.Thanks for the link.

FreethinkerII
FreethinkerII
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Stop the blatant proselytizing… your type circles when you perceive a weakness like a vulture. It’s pathetic.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  FreethinkerII

You’re anything but a free thinker. And don’t tell me what to do.

ar
ar
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Don’t you mean hold up your gown so the priest can get at you!

Michelle
Michelle
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Why can you not leave him alone and let him find his own way? Faith comes from the heart, not from the preaching of evangelists and to break with islam without the bedrock of an alternative implies great courage and intellect and IMO you insult him.

Ransom Davidson
Ransom Davidson
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

Please consider reading these 2 books:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/214332.The_Case_for_Faith?

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22156872-jesus-on-trial?

Both of these men were once hardcore skeptics and/or atheists. Best wishes to you and yours always.

Mattie
Mattie
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

I admire your courage, and sincerely thank you for it.
Take care.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  Mattie

I am honoured by your kind words 🙂

Robbydot1
Robbydot1
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

A good and very brave piece, Serkan. I do hope for your sake that’s a pseudonym.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  Robbydot1

Many thanks 🙂

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

After freeing himself from islamofascism, why would he want a new yoke around his neck?

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

I am a socialist, but a “libertarian socialist”, not supporter of cruel Stalinism, Pol Potisim, etc. which were in fact just dictatorianship…Because I want all humans of the world live in equal conditions without existing of any poor human and also rich human…Also I stand behind all oppressed humans of the world (like Subcomandante Marcos) by supporting all oppressed identities (ethnical, sexual, religional) also with supporting all oppressed classes…I am the revenge of all oppressed, despised, ignored, exploited, beaten, insulted, neglected, abused, molested humans in the world as being a fighter for their rights with my political articles, and also with my poems and essays.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

Economic democracy is the best. We don’t need big government or an oligopoly of large corporations. Antitrust is dead. Main street is dead.
Your goals are admirable, but naïve. Subcomandante Marcos has resorted to violence so he has brought any oppression on himself.
There will always be poor under any system. Revenge and envy are not noble sentiments. As they say in America, living well is the best revenge. Socialism = shared misery.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

The trouble is Serkan that human’s don’t fall into one category and when people disagree or fight against these ideas,intellectually,Socialism necessarily becomes authoritarian and oppressive.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

What I find quite puzzling about atheists is what is their purpose in trying to spread their creed,their atheist faith? What benefit are they trying to bring to mankind? What hope or assurance for the future? As atheists,products of a blind process involving the chance arrangement of matter,why do they care? What exactly are atheists free to do that Christians are not?. They lecture Christians on the Nature of God and his shortcomings but it never occurs to them that they complain about what THEY expect from God, what they think God should do and shouldn’t do. Christians do not share these ideas of God. Of course they shouldn’t actually expect anything from something that they are sure does not exist. To expect means that there must be something to expect things from. Why do they think the world is wrong if they have no yardstick to judge that it is wrong except their own subjective feelings,which could be different to everyone else,and just be their opinion. How can they know a line is crooked if they have no evidence or knowledge of a straight line. To know what is wrong one must know what is right.And that can only come from outside of our own intellect,otherwise it is merely an opinion. This is the problem ,in practice,of moral relativity,no ones right and no ones wrong.
Even the late Christopher Hitchens ,an extremely intelligent man,seemed to fall into a similar trap The title of his book “God is not great” indicates disapproval of God rather than disbelief.Something has to be before it is either great or not great. If he believed that God does not exist why was he even thinking about Him at all? By making the statement “God is not great” he is accepting God’s existence but doesn’t approve of His behaviour.But of course it is silly to say God is not great because if he is God,as Mr Hitchens seems to accept ,he obviously is great or he would not be God at all;but one cannot criticise or praise what does not exist. Hitchens’ expectations of God were not the expectations of Christians in relation to God.Yet when he made some critical remark about God or even occasionally more than critical ,certain people would cheer and clap. Why? Because Mr. Hitchens had become a form of Messiah to them,they could ignore God because the great intellectual Christopher Hitchens said they could;he knew. The atheists cheering and clapping are actually quite lonely ,frightened people,Hitchens became their champion,their reassurance , their excuse for what they suspected in their hearts was really wrong. They put their trust in him ,they transferred their trust from God to him and their need for assurance from God to him. But if the blind lead the blind ,all fall into a ditch.
Mr. Hitchens was not a bad man or a cruel man ,he had a fine intellect but he still did his followers a grave disservice. What promised land was he leading them to? Nowhere except waste ,futility and oblivion. That’s not what God wants for his people.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Most of us just wish to be left alone by you theofascists.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  sandra schmidt

not the “fascist” word.Do you know what a fascist is,what the term means?

June Skelton
June Skelton
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Hitchens’ book is entitled “god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.”

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Note the lower-case “g” of “god”, as the author intended. He wished to reinforce his lack of belief in a non-existent entity.

It’s fascinating book. You ought to read it sometime.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  June Skelton

Why do you assume I haven’t? Actually Hitchens’ argued that no one could prove God existed,so he refused to believe. God or god it is still nonsensical to argue that a being that one argues does not exist can be appraised as to his greatness or lack of it.

June Skelton
June Skelton
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

If you had read the book then your reply to my comment would be otherwise. And you would not have made the nonsensical remark in your previous comment that atheism is a faith.

BTW have you followed Bill Warner’s advice and made your feelings known here? http://greatnonprofits.org/org/council-on-american-islamic-relations-inc

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  June Skelton

Of course it’s a faith;you can no more prove that God does not exist than I can absolutely prove to you that He does,at this stage in the World’s development. You take everything that your faith and it’s associate,science, tell you on faith. You would need knowledge of all the mysteries of creation,and all those not yet known ,to be able to state unequivocally that God does not exist( even Dawkins says that God “probably” does not exist),no one has that.There is more actual evidence that He does exist than He doesn’t. There is no scientific explanation for the existence of a universe at all,in fact scientifically it is more likely that the Universe should not exist. God,the divine intelligence ,whatever,outside of time and space is a good and logical explanation. I have read Hitchens and to be honest I find some of his arguments quite disappointing,I expected more from him. His brother Peter is of course the opposite ,a practicing Christian and Christian apologist. I always found Christopher rather smug and arrogant,but on some debates I felt he was merely going through the motions,doing what was expected and his heart was not in it. The poor man was very ill of course latterly.

June Skelton
June Skelton
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Oh dear. Atheism is the absence of faith. Calling it a faith is akin to calling black merely a darker shade of white.

Regarding the existence of gods, the burden of proof is on you. I have as much need to prove the non-existence of your imagined deity as you need to prove the non-existence of the invisible three-testicled leprechaun that haunts my garage—to rework the great Carl Sagan’s argument.

And if you’d read Hitchens’ book with due attention then you’d have noted this:

“We now know things about our nature that the founders
of religion could not even begin to guess at, and that would have stilled their overconfident tongues if they had known of them. Yet again, once one has disposed of superfluous assumptions, speculation about who designed us to be designers becomes as fruitless and irrelevant as the question of who designed that designer. Aristotle, whose reasoning about the unmoved mover and the uncaused cause is the beginning of this argument, concluded that the logic would necessitate forty-seven or fifty-five gods. Surely even a monotheist would be grateful for Ockham’s razor at this point? From a plurality of prime movers, the monotheists have bargained it down to a single one. They are getting ever nearer to the true, round figure.” (p.67)

Did you get that? Hitch’s “round figure” is of course zero.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  June Skelton

You cannot compare what one can’t see with what one can,it’s a bad analogy. For Hitchens to say “Who designed the designer” is an example of why I was disappointed with him,he should be able to do better than these old chestnuts. Christians have never argued a “plurality of prime movers”. For all Hitchens verbosity,it is all just his opinion.He comes no closer to explaining the beginning of all things,something from nothing, than you do. He just states it with more self assurance that he is right and that no Christian has ever considered these points. He has got nothing new to say;we’ve heard it all before.

June Skelton
June Skelton
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Whatever. I’m simply pointing out that, had you read his book, you’d know that Hitchens insisted that no god(s) existed.

I do not need to explain “the beginning of all things” and certainly not on Pam Geller’s blog.

To return to the actual topic of this post: Islam needs to be combated with reason and logic. In other words, there’s little point in trying to insist that your fables are more credible than a Muslim’s. The arguments against Allah’s prophet and his insane credo must be made from a stronger position.

We atheists occupy that position. Serkan has seen sense. May many more god-botherers follow his lead.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  June Skelton

I don’t care what Hitchens “insisted”,he knew no more than you and I about it. Do you think that the majority of Muslims will be won over by an appeal to their atheism? Can someone pinch you ,it’s time to wake up. Reason and logic,as we understand it in the West, is outlawed in Islam,no one can even begin to talk about it. If they had reason and logic they would have abandoned such a poisonous ideology centuries ago. Atheists”occupy that position”? You are part of the problem,not the solution. Arrogance seems to be de rigeuer for atheists. Sorry but you are hopeless.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  June Skelton

Islam needs to be combated with reason and logic.

These good tools do not work with islam.
Only the sword.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

You’re absolutely nucking futs. No, really.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

I’m guessing that you abandoned most of your education at a very early age,especially how to communicate and English language. No wonder you can’t follow the argument,it’s far too deep for your under developed intellect,I use the word loosely.

kaffir geoff
kaffir geoff
8 years ago
Reply to  June Skelton

I would have to say religion is not great. I believe in a creator, but religious folks keep referring to the creator as a “he”. So it is like some majestic dude floating around in the sky with magnificent hair and a beard. I think that is a fairy tale. How can man begin to comprehend the creator.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

JEEBUS! So many words, so little reason!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

So few words and absolutely no reason whatsoever. Your tiny pea sized brain must be rattling around in your football sized head. No wonder you have nothing sensible to say. I hate to say this but you appear to be totally stupid.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

So beautifully well spoken! Wow….you should put those statements in a book….very sensible and true….quite logical. I think most Atheists are sad, lonely and frightened people who protesteth too much. Just give up their anger and lower their walls of resistance….and try to ask Humbly for the Lord to make known His presence.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Thank you Bronish;that is very gracious of you.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

If you think Christianity historically has been better than Islam, you know approximately nothing. The world needs to get rid of all religion – including Cristianity – to achieve peace.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

That’s what the atheist Communists thought — and tried to do by mass extermination…

Lia
Lia
8 years ago

and did not succeed in …

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Lia

offset by misery

Lia
Lia
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

So right!

nfliman
nfliman
8 years ago

Protestant Christianity is not the same as Cathollcism. The Catholic Church hunted Protestants as heretics and burned them at the stake and tortured them to frighten back to the Holy Roman Church, much like Islam does to anyone who leaves Islam or is not Muslim. if I was to choose a religion to live under it would be Protestant Christianity, not Islam. All non Muslim people need to unite against the ideologies of Islam as they did against the Nazis.

Radegunda
Radegunda
8 years ago
Reply to  nfliman

The hunting and burning of heretics by the Catholic Church was much more limited in time and extent than many people imagine. It was done most zealously in Spain (which of course was ruled by Islam for several centuries). I don’t mean to diminish the suffering of those it affected, or the more general repression of thought and conscience. But the Inquisition pales in comparison with the long Islamic jihad,and of course Islam officially prescribes the death penalty for apostasy and blasphemy; Catholic Christianity does not. (Early Protestants could be quite intolerant of different beliefs too.)

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago
Reply to  Radegunda

And there are plenty of backwoods “Protestant denominations” still around with bizarre notions about Catholicism.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Radegunda

Christianity and the Church are not necessarily the same thing.

Lia
Lia
8 years ago
Reply to  nfliman

I am a committed Protestant, but we Protestants also killed Roman Catholics, just as the various Protestant groupings did to one another.

Kriemhild
Kriemhild
8 years ago
Reply to  nfliman

Martin Luther wrote a letter to Pope Leo entitled “On the Freedom of the Christian”. For this letter he was excommunicated. But it’s true that Christianity sets people free, Islam makes them into slaves. Moslems are forbidden to think, they must only “believe”. Moslems are all slaves and robots and infected with the lies of the psychopath Mohammed, a man sick in body, mind and soul. He suffered from the disease of acromegaly, which disfigures the face, hands, feet and entire body and makes a man impotent. He officially had 33 wives, but at the end was only living with 9, all of them young and healthy but none of them ever became pregnant, not even Aisha, who he married at the age of 6 and raped at the age of 9
The Catholic Church has very Little to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Gospel — it is full of dogma and rituals that are not found in the Bible — there is no Pope in the Bible, and no priest can forgive sins — only Jesus can do this. Etcetera.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago
Reply to  Kriemhild

I don’t think you understand Catholicism very well. Please explain what it is you particularly think it’s not in the Bible… Especially the part about the Pope.

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Kriemhild

Before saying any word make sure it is correct
All your words is false
My advice to you
Read biography for Muhammad in reliable books

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Before saying any word make sure it is correct

mohammad was a pedophile and a thug

Kriemhild
Kriemhild
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I have studied Mohammed for 20 years and know more about him than nost Muslims. Mo was a psychopath, and ill in body, mind and soul. He suffered from the disease of acromegaly which is caused by excessive production of a growth hormone resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Mo was monstrously ugly and deformed, when he had to meet foreign dignitaries or strangers, he would place a veil over his face. That’s why there are no drawings ot paintings of him. Usually Islamic dictators love to have their portraits plastered everywhere possibly to satisfy their narcissism, but there are no official authentic portraits of Mo, which is very strange.
Acromegaly usually occurs about the age of 40 and kills the patient in his early 60’s — which is the case with Mo.
It also causes impotence while it increases Libido. At the end of his life, Mo was living with 9 wives, all young and healthy, but none of them ever became pregnant, not even Aisha, whom he first raped at the age of 9.
Mohammed likes to make people think he visited all his wives in one night — he did, but not to make love to them, just to fondle. Aisha claimed he made all these stories up which were just wishful thinking of his Imagination.
The source of this Information is FaithFreedom blog run by Ali Sina, an Iranian apostate from Islam who is trustworthy.
According to Mohammed Asghar, Mo sent a young man by the name of Hatib bin Abu Bata’a to escort Mariyah Qibtia and her sister from Alexandria to Mecca. The young and horny Hatib fucked the two sisters in the Arabian Desert and Mariyah conceived. When Mo found out that Mariyah was pregnant, he played along and claimed the child was his even though he knew he was impotent. According to Islamic law, Mareiyah should have been stoned to death, but Mo preferred to deceive people and let them think he was the father of Ibrahim — who died at the age of three anyway.

Kriemhild
Kriemhild
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I know more about Mohammed than most Muslims.
Mohammed was a Psychopath, sick in body, mind and soul. He suffered from the disease acromegaly which is caused by excessive production of a growth Hormone, resulting in large bones, cold and fleshy hands and feet and coarse facial features such as enlarged lips, nose and tongue. Mo was monstrously ugly, and when meeting foreigners and important visitors, he would put a veil over his face. This is also why there are no official, authentic drawings or paintings of Mo, which is unusual because he was such a narcissist, as are all islamic dictators, and love to have their pictures plastered everywhere. Acromegaly occurs at about the age of 40 and usually kills the patient in his early 60s. It causes impotence while it increases libido.This applies exactly to Mo. At the end he was living with only 9 wives, all of whom were young and healthy, but none of them ever became pregnant, not even Aisha, whom he raped at the age of 9. He liked to have people think he visited all 9 of his wives in one evening and made love to them, but he only fondled them. This is confirmed by Aisha who claimed Mo made up these stories in his Imagination.
According to Mohammed Asghar, Mo sent a young man by the name of Harib bin Abu Bata’a to escort Mariyah Qitbia and her sister from Alexandria to Mecca. This young and horny man fucked both sisters in the Arabian Desert.. Mariyah became pregnant. When Mo found out later after she had been presented to him, that she was pregnant, he knew it couldn’t be from him because he was impotent, but he played along with the game and deceived everyone into thinking he was the father. The child born to Mariiyah was a son named Ibrahim, who died at the Age of 3. According to Islamic law, Mariyah should have been stoned to death, but Mo preferred deception.
My source is FaithFreedom, the blog run by Ali Sina, an Iranian apostate from Islam, who is comletely trustworthy.

jim
jim
8 years ago

The Nazis were areligious ! they didnt do thier crimes in favor of a religion. they subscribed to an ideology. one of supremecism. one of hate, one of genocide. all with NO religious overtones or ascribing to a ‘god’ so there goes your crap theory Jorgen.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  jim

Haha who taught you history, Ken Ham? Hitler was raised as a Roman Catholic although it seems people disagree if he was a Christian he was able to use the Christian faith of his followers to his advantage. Since they were already gullible enough to believe 2000 year old fairytales it was easy to play on that. The nazis had “Gott mit uns” (God with us) on their belt buckles, does denne Avtalent serve as proof to you?comment image

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

Gott mitt Uns is an old Prussian war cry,nothing to do with national Socialism. The German army,like any other, kept it’s traditions.The NAZI emblem was just added to the buckle design. Hitler used Christianity to win people over,along with other things but the Nazi “Church” was a parody of Christianity. Hitler and a lot of high ranking Nazis were interested in the occult.In fact they were quite “green” and nature worshippers.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Yep, Hitler stated: “one can be a good German, or a good Christian, but not both.”

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Um, Hitler privately deprecated Christianity and admired pi$$lam. The only religious leader Hitler put up, at government expense, in the nicest hotel in Berlin? The Grand Mufti, a muslim who advocated for the extermination of Jews.

Radegunda
Radegunda
8 years ago

I’ve studied quite a bit of history and have an above-average degree of knowledge about how Christianity and Islam have worked historically. I have criticized some aspects of Christian belief and practice in history, but Christianity is vastly superior to Islam in its ethics and in its general influence on society and civilization.

The reasons for those differences are rooted in the stark contrast between the figure of Jesus and that of Mohammad; it would be hard to find two more radically different concepts of spiritual perfection.

Christianity originally grew through persuasion and individual conversion, often by demonstrating charity and compassion. Islam originally grew by force — by plunder, rape, enslavement and slaughter. While Christianity certainly became tied to coercion when secular rulers eventually adopted it, there was always a very different model at its heart.

It was Christian societies that invented the concept of universal human rights, and
the equal worth of all souls before God. Islam stresses the sharp division between “Muslim” and “infidel,” and that division can still be seen, in one measure or another, in Islamic societies. Christians led the effort to
abolish slavery. Muslims are essentially the only people who continue to
defend slavery.

People try to get out of societies shaped by
Islam, and into societies with centuries of Christian influence.

If you can’t see the difference between Christian ethics and Islamic “values,” you know approximately nothing about either religion, and you aren’t paying attention to what’s happening in the world either.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Radegunda

Best post I’ve seen here so far. I need to board a plane so I’ll just address one thing: Christians _started_ the slavery in the new world, so they shouldn’t receive much credit for abolishing a tradition they started in the first place, do you think? I wouldn’t say Muslims defend slavery, it’s mainly Arab psychopaths in countries which are considered US allies who are allowed to do this with most of the world’s population ignorant to what is going on, so they don’t need to defend it.

Keith
Keith
8 years ago

Sorry but Christians didn’t start slavery even in the new world. Slavery has existed ever since humanity started claiming territory for their own people and defending that territory against other people. Don’t forget the Aztecs and Mayans and I believe, though not completely sure, even some of the North American Tribes had slaves. Yes western European Christians did do the most to abolish slavery and deserve the credit for the abolition of slavery.
Muslims do defend slavery as it is in the koran that slavery and sexual slavery are allowed by allah.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Keith

The African tribes had slavery.The Muslim slave traders got the unfortunate people from their black captors and sold them to the white slavers.The whole thing is despicable but the Muslim slave trade was far in excess of any European or American trade. It could be said that without the Muslim slave dealers the African slave trade would not have been so extensive.The slaves kept by the Muslims were driven many miles to the markets.It is estimated that probably in excess of 80% died en route.
Apart from the black trade about 1,000,000 white Europeans and Americans were enslaved by Muslims. America finally sent the U.S Marines to destroy Tripoli to punish the Muslim slave dealers and to put a stop to the taking of Americans for slaves; that was in the early years of the 19th century. The Arabic word for “Black” and “slave” is related.

Keith
Keith
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Well said. Some some people just don’t like the truth and just want to blame the free western world for all of their problems.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Keith

progressives

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

The Arabic word for “Black” and “slave” is related.

The same word: abed
abdullah=slave to allah

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Yes;Muhammad’s father was called Abdullah. The concept of Allah as a god was not new to the Quraysh or other Arab’s;it was Muhammad’s idea to equate it with the God of the Jews and Christians and as the only god that his tribe and others did not like.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Muhammad’s idea to equate it with the God of the Jews and Christians …..as a replacement theology.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Keith

You are right, they didn’t. You could say they stopped the Aztec’s slavery as well as they killed most of them or enslaved them, can I get a Hallelujah? The slavery the Christians did abolish in a good manner, the Christians brought in themselves, so NO, no credit. Credit is due to the individuals who fought for it, obviously. But not to the group of people who set slavery in system like they did and did it on such a great scale, namely the Christians.

Keith
Keith
8 years ago

So you won’t criticise muslims for Islamic slavery which muslims are still continuing to this very day and is allowed in the koran and the hadith for example
Qur’an (2:178) – “O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female.”
Qur’an (24:32) – “And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves…”
Bukhari (41.598) – Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but can be used to pay off the debt.
Yet you deny credit to Christians who abolish slavery whom you blame for the slavery in the US. Well it was carried on in such a grand manner because muslims already had a massive slave industry throughout Africa.
Maybe if you enlightened yourself about what Islam really is you might be able to remove the blinkers from your eyes with regard muslims and Islam. It might also help you to see Christians in a slightly better light than you currently regard them.
I have always wondered why someone like you who hates Christians for all the wrong you perceive that they do and have done but then stand up and defend the most supremacist, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, hate filled religion the world has ever spawned.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

It was Christians that abolished it though,not Islam.Islam still practices it and always will because it is sanctified by Allah and Muhammed. Christ never encouraged slavery. Paul’s idea was that if a slave became a Christian he would have to endure his slavery because in a pagan world he could not expect to be freed. But he could use his slavery to glorify Christ by being patient and obedient in servitude knowing that no man could possess him as Christ was his Master.Paul was also cautious about stirring slaves to rebel and bringing the wrath of the Roman state upon the young Christian Church.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Keith

Most ,if not all the American Indian tribes had slaves.Often they would later adopt them into the tribe,perhaps to replace a brother etc. that they had lost. But slavery was there before the Europeans. Us humans always exploit those who are weaker. Christianity is fundamentally opposed to slavery,despite some of the churches trying to justify it. In the ancient world it was a part of the economic system.

Globalfirm:Humanrights&ecology
Globalfirm:Humanrights&ecology
8 years ago

Muhammad invented the slavery of Africans by proclaiming that his deity colored them black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks. He had African slaves, was white & dreamed about a pederast paradise with only whites.

There are 2 parts of Muhammadism: Islam (outward deception) & Jihad (uncoded Muhammadism) .
There are no segregated war times in Muhammadism. It’s war all time. War against human rights.

Muhammadan Jihad & Sharia is part of Germany’s history under Hitler. The massive immigration of Turks to Germany might bad been a search for spiritual identity as sadist Muhammad declared that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks. Here a text from my page Soundclick.com/Globalfirm “The Hitler Islam connection: The facts written here are from what I’ve read & remember & could be subject to errors. 
Hitler said the only prophet he would respect was Muhammad.  
Muhammad was a sadist torturer who let innocent people burn alive for not praying, a mass-murderer, racist slaveholder who seem to have initiated the enslavement of Africans by proclaiming that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs & Turks, he was a rapist who wanted all women to have cut out clitorisses, crucifier, a pederast who kissed little boys’ penises & sucked on boys’ tongues & lips, an unjust man who robbed & didn’t cared about radical human rights. 
Jews had to under the Hitler-regime sew a textile star as known from the Israel flag, on their clothes to be vulnerable. This idea, the textile yellow jewish star law was copied from an muhammadan tyranny since probably the 9th century in Baghdad where it was used probably without the more modern star-symbol & maybe for all non-Muslims. 
There was a terrorist Muhammadan in the middle east who continued Muhammad’s command to terrorize non-muhammadans and especially Jews. His name was Al-Husseini or something & he was appointed Grand mufti of Jerusalem, an islamic authority. He was financed by the Hitler-regime, then invited to Berlin where he was further financed & he was spreading his hate through a radio from Berlin to the middle east. 
He met with Hitler, planned  the Hitler-regime death-camps in which Jews,  Christians, gypsies, Africans, intellectuals,  human rights activists, homosexuals & socialists were tortured, enslaved, starved, killed. He for example urged in a letter to not let a special number of Jewish children to be freed for ransom money but to kill them. 
It was jihad Islamic terror. 
He also overviewed the only religious SS unit, SS was the Hitler-regime terrorist group in uniforms,  it was Islamic of course with halal food & Islamic style SS-uniforms. 
Al-Husseini’s uncle Arafat became a famous terrorist Islamic politician. 
Hitler took over the government in 1933, 5 years after the first mosque in Germany was build in Berlin. 
These facts should be known to every historian, pupil, student.”

There wouldn’t be no problem with immigration, the officially non-Muhammadan regions are interesting places of the world, wouldn’t be the government’s of those regions, lack of education on pederast, racist slaver & sadist Muhammad.
Cause this combination is disastrous.
Governments must get clear on ethics: human rights & ecology.

Here, immigration gone wrong, copy-pasted from a comment from a Pamelageller.com reader: ” “Khaybar” is thename of a famous incident in 
which Mohammed led his followers into a ‘battle’ with a peaceful tribe 
of Jews who lived in the settlements of Khaybar, about 40 miles from 
Medina.

The Khaybar community were well known as productive farmers who
provisioned the whole area, they were also famous for their 
hospitality, lighting beacons so that travellers in the desert could 
find their way to some sort of shelter even at night.

Mohammed’s agents
got into the towns pretending to be travellers. They were treated as 
guests and then got up in the middle of the night and killed their 
hosts. Victorious in the subsequent battle, Mohammed ordere between600 and 900 Jewish men beheaded and took the women and children as 
slaves.

Mohammed had the one Jewish tribal leader and his son killed, 
then took the son’s 17 year old widow for a ‘wife’ on the same day. 
When Moslems chant “Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud” (“Khaybar, Khaybar, Oh 
Jews!”) they are remembering this slaughter with pride and expressing a 
wish to repeat it.” ”

It is mass-psychologically crucial to expose these things in mass media, educate about Muhammad’s sadism, slavery, racism, pederasty, sadist open end commandments etc., about Hitler’s atrocities in connection to Islam, about Muhammadism’s unjust violent history til today if we honestly don’t want this brainwashing & Jihad-violence to happen over & over again. It is political education.

Expose & ban the lunatic ideology of the white fascist inventor of slavery of Africans Muhammad, for the pride of Africans!
If we don’t want Jihad to reoccure again & again we have to educate about this pederast, white fascist inventor of slavery of Africans, who justified slavery of Africans by saying that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks, who dreamed about an all white people paradise with pederasty,
publicly shame, expose the rapist, thief, extortionist, deceiver, racist, mass-murderer, unjust torturer, crucifier who burned alive innocent people to death.

If government officials aint got that political education they are a public security threat, not dedicated to their task, not fit to do their job, disrespectful.
Apostates of theism unite for human rights the new religion.
No more power to people who are brainwashed with religious contracts they made with unicorns, Santa claus, deities or pederast, rapist, inventor of African slavery, deceiver & sadist Muhammad.
Islam works in two ways: Islam (Taqiyya-deception) & Jihad-violence.
Just like I don’t want the government to be infested with theism I don’t want it to represent any religion of Taqiyya deception or Jihad violence.

Enough of the retarded brainwash, enough of the arrogant people in the government that are too idle or too retarded to educate themselves about what Muhammad did & open-endedly commanded his army to do. Enough of the Jihad.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

yup
islam is the problem

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Christians also abolished slavery, in the UK AND the USA. John Brown, a devoted Christian, gave his life opposing slavery and so did some of his sons. I’d argue pi$$lam has never abolished slavery because, in fact, it’s still quite legal in muslum states like Mauritania, the Sudan and now ISIS.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

Christians _started_ the slavery in the new world…..

ARAB SLAVE TRADE – The Legacy and History of the Arab Slave Trade

http://www.arabslavetrade.com

Here is info we can use:

Slavery in Africa

From the 7th to the 20th century, Arab Muslims raided and traded for black African slaves in West, Central, and East Africa, sending thousands of slaves each year to North Africa and parts of Asia. From the 15th to the 19th century, Europeans bought millions of slaves in West, Central, and East Africa and sent them to Europe; the Caribbean; and North, Central, and South America. These two overlapping waves of transcontinental slave trading made the slave trade central to the economies of many African states and threatened many more Africans with enslavement.

http://autocww.colorado.edu/~flc/E64ContentFiles/AfricanHistory/SlaveryInAfrica.html

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

People have said that kind of thing before. French Jacobins and Communists. For example. I don’t think you have really considered what religion is.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  johnb1945

I have. It’s mostly fairytales and an unrealistic world view. Simple as that.

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

No. You have not considered what religion really is and why you will never “get rid of it”.

Religion is a set of shared ideals and it does not have to be theistic. All societies require some kind of a religion or shared set of ideals and beliefs. No society has existed or can exist without them.

Communism was a kind of religion.

So was Jacobinism.

Eugenics became quasi religious and inspired Nazism.

Militant secularism is becoming a kind of left wing religion or ideology.

These are all either explicitly atheist or at the very least godless and all are or were based on rationalism. Some of them caused millions of deaths.

If you think Abrahimic religions are just a bunch of fairy stories then that is your choice and opinion, to which you are entitled, but a religion free society is an impossibility.

It is possible to have a society where people have their beliefs and religions but are moderate, open and generally respectful of others.

I am not sure that describes you, judging by your posts.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  johnb1945

“All societies require some kind of religion or shared set of ideals and beliefs”. Ideals, yes. Religion, no. Beliefs, yes and no. I guess you have to believe that the ideals you have is for the better. You are stretching the idea “religion” here. But OK, I believe the world would be a better place without the Abrahamic religions and Hinduism, that is for sure. I am in favor of not passing on superstition as well. A realistic world view is important for progress and eventually our species’ survival.

Oh, and it is my opinion, but not my choice.

Lastly, I don’t slam believers in the face with my atheism in real life, unless they preach or for some reason the topic comes up.

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

I don’t know where you draw the line between ideals and religion? They are the same thing.

The danger comes from people who think their ideals are a total, literal truth. Atheists have been at least as prone to that kind of zealotry as any theistic religion. Very anti-religious atheists have those tendencies.

You use very strong language, which makes you come across like a zealot.

Your belief that the world would be a better place without Abrahimic religions is a kind of faith which you assert on your perception and interpretation of the evidence.

I interpret things differently and believe Christianity has been good. We can only compare it to other world views and the effect they have had on societies which developed or adopted them. Communism would be one example, as would Nazism. Islam another.

At least Christianity is secular, and requires believers to love their neighbour/ do unto others as you would have done unto yourself etc.

Not all world views have those ideals.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  johnb1945

Ideals and religion are totally not the same thing. Ideals are usually a part of a religion, but ideals can and do exist 100% regardless of religion too.

Christians cherry pick their ideals and find verses in the bible that fits with the worldview they otherwise have. For example, they use Leviticus to fuel their homophobia but have no problem with eating pork and shellfish. Then, would you call all Christians secular? Like WBC and YEC? Because I sure wouldn’t. Can you honestly say that you do not see Christians hating their neighbours? It’s easy to turn to the golden rule but it is not in any way unique to Christianity.

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

I think any kind of shared ideals are quasi religious. When you say “my ideals are right and yours are unacceptable” then you may have problems. Most of the people saying this in today’s world fall into two camps – Islamic Fundamentalists and Atheists.

And I disagree that Christians cherry pick their faith because the bible is not a doctrine, it is supposed to be read spiritually. You can form coherent scriptural arguments for different and sometimes opposing opinions.

This was the basis of the Protestant reformation.

On the topic of which, the secularism and freedom of religion you enjoy today is a product of the Christian, Protestant reformation. This is not something you should take for granted. Atheist ideologies such as communism were not secular, and a religion like Islam, with its supposed eternal and divine Sharia, really struggles with secularism.

Christianity is also based on the New Testament. Leviticus is part of the Jewish Torah.

When you talk about changing your beliefs to fit in with a worldview, nobody is more likely to do this than atheists. This is because you cannot arrive at an objective decision on right and wrong. It is impossible. Atheists will simply change what they think is right and wrong to suit them. Some smart and intellectually honest atheists even admit this.

Is this a good thing?

When you critique Christianity you should realise that most Christians view scripture, prophets etc. as imperfect and a guide. The only people who take it literally are fundamentalists, who are a minority, and, ironically, atheists.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  johnb1945

I guess you forgot to answer if you would call all Christians secular? Like WBC and YEC?

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

Is mainstream Christianity secular? Yes. Modern European secularism was born from Protestant reform, especially in the Anglo Saxon world.
I don’t know who WBC and YEC are, are they fundamentalists?
You shouldn’t judge a religion of 2.2b people by a fringe. It’s like saying anyone who is left leaning is a Marxist, or socially conservative is a neo Nazi.
Christianity is a profoundly theological religion. It does not have lots of rules and acts believers should follow or think. Just because people have done bad things in its name does not mean that its theology holds no truth or good.
Jesus spoke directly about secularism when he asked us to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and unto God what is God’s.
I think you should acquaint yourself with Christian theology and with the preaching of Jesus. You would then understand why there are some areas where the Biblical position is clear and Christians of all denominations always agree (Love God, Neighbour and Stranger – i.e. grass roots Abrahamism, the saving power of Christ etc.) but there are other areas where there is a lively and constantly evolving theological debate.
You would also that what Christians do and have done is not always the same as the Gospels ask them to do.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  johnb1945

WBC is Westboro Baptist Church (the God hates fags people) and YEC is Young earth creationists, i.e. people who take the bible literally (including, or maybe especially, the old testament) and believe that the earth is 6000 years old.

Christianity is quite polarized, I’m not sure you could call anything mainstream when 42% of Americans deny the scientific fact of evolution. If you want to tell me to “You shouldn’t judge a religion of 2.2b people by a fringe.” you should consider applying that to your criticism of atheists? Especially when you talk about communism as if it is a main part of anything related to atheism.

“It does not have lots of rules and acts believers should follow or think.”

How on earth can you say that? The bible is full of it!

I am well aware that Jesus did not preach hate, I know more than enough about Christianity to form an opinion about it. What I see is what the Christians are doing today and what they have done in history, and to me it is less important what their holy fairytale teaches or not.

“When you talk about changing your beliefs to fit in with a worldview, nobody is more likely to do this than atheists. This is because you cannot arrive at an objective decision on right and wrong. It is impossible. Atheists will simply change what they think is right and wrong to suit them. Some smart and intellectually honest atheists even admit this.”

Everyone does this, in a way, people tend to seek information which confirms the views they already have. I would like to see a link of an intellectually honest atheist admitting the last part?

I would like to ask you, what is the old testament to you? Is it not the word of god? Did the stories not happen? Is Jesus not the son of the god in the old testament? Do you also disregard the ten commandments? What do you think Jesus meant when he said: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:17-19?

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

Richard Dawkins is a well known advocate of the shifting moral zeitgeist – basically make it up as you go along.
Christians don’t follow the literal word of the Jewish Torah – if you wish to search the internet you will find many theological explanations why they don’t.
I have never said Communism represents atheism. It does represent the kind of quasi religion people invented in the last century when they decided to supercede traditional religions with something rational. It debunks the notion that theism causes bad ideology and only atheism is the solution.
And only bad ideas don’t evolve, like Salafism that would keep us all subject to 7th century Islam. The interchange between a person’s Christian belief and their worldview is a two way process.
I think Western society is more a product of Christian ideals than modern Christianity is a product of Western society.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  johnb1945

Regarding objective decision on right and wrong. Lawmakers around the world manage quite well to create laws in a country. Not only are they able to do that without the help of religion, one might argue that they do it _better_ without involving religion in the matter. Christians do not commit less crime than others, all the statistics I’ve seen rather show that atheists commit less crimes than Christians. If you look at Europe, you will see that it is the countries with a high percentage of atheists that do best in terms of crime, economy, corruption and freedom of speech. Scandinavia, Benelux, Austria, Switzerland, all evil countries, wouldn’t you say?

Could it be that Christians learn about all the sexual sins they must avoid so that the focus on what should be considered crime becomes smaller? The argument that “you can’t have morality without god/religion” is simply not something that is observed on this planet and is thus useless in a discussion like this.

johnb1945
johnb1945
8 years ago

Presumably you are Scandinavian. The secular laws to which you are subject and your declaration of human rights are all founded in Christian theology and morals.
In other places Laws are based on something else – in the Islamic world the Sharia, for example.
And widespread atheism in the Democratic West is a relatively new phenomenon, common only since the 1960s. It is still not even a majority viewpoint, most people are loosely Christian, agnostic or open. Our free and wealthy societies evolved at a time of high religiosity, and are a legacy of Christian reform. It is far too early to speculate on whether atheism and the moral zeitgeist will enhance or weaken our societies… but I know what I think……
We can also say that the most prosperous country in the world, the USA, was unquestionably founded on Christian principles and remains highly religious.
We can also say that h sapiens has existed for maybe 200,000 years, most of which has been stone age. The past 2-4000 years of growing prosperity is a blip, and it does accord with foundation of the world’s great faiths.
Accident? Coincidence? Whatever you think is a form of faith, just like your faith that atheism reduces crime.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago

In your opinion of course.

paskudni
paskudni
8 years ago

Well Said and true!

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago

Says you. Just because islam hasn’t grown up and certain muslims can’t control THEMSELVES is no reason for others to give up THEIR religions.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

islam hasn’t grown up

it ain’t
mohammad declared koran to be ‘perfect and unchangeable’

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago

I don’t understand those who think choosing religion is like choosing the color of the shirt you’re wearing. The only reason to adapt/abandon a religion is that your conviction regarding the likelihood of your religion’s being true has changed. The advantages/disadvantages does not play a role for a rational mind.

Anyway, if your religion makes others act like douchebags, you should indeed at least keep the beliefs to yourself and avoid spreading it. As is the case with all religions, possibly with the exception of Buddhism.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago

The only “religion” your point applies to is islam. It’s the only one that has practitioners running around killing people in its name. Seems to me you’ve decided that anyone who has a religion is a douchebag. Sounds rather anti-social to me.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

your knowledge of Christianity is apparently as incomplete as your knowledge of islam.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

The world needs to get rid of all religion……

Right now, we need cufi.org

faraway
faraway
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Serkan states quite clearly that he’s an atheist.Having escaped the shackles of islam,why would he ever want to adopt another form of hocus-pocus?

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  faraway

I will write again: I am a socialist, but a “libertarian socialist”, not supporter of cruel Stalinism, Pol Potisim, etc. which were in fact just dictatorianship…Because I want all humans of the world live in equal conditions without existing of any poor human and also rich human…Also I stand behind all oppressed humans of the world (like Subcomandante Marcos) by supporting all oppressed identities (ethnical, sexual, religional) also with supporting all oppressed classes…I am the revenge of all oppressed, despised, ignored, exploited, beaten, insulted, neglected, abused, molested humans in the world as being a fighter for their rights with my political articles, and also with my poems and essays.

No Quarter
No Quarter
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Grace I remember part of a similar saying, “A friend with is a friend indeed.” I am an atheist”, said the author. Grace pounces like a Christian lion, you are brave, and I am grateful but alas you will never know “true freedom”. Grace I beg your pardon, he did not say , I am now lost and in dire need of a new thing to be sucked into only this time I want it to be the one grace wants the whole world to believe in, yes the jesus thing. Grace please leave us atheists alone as you are oppressing us not to mention boring the crap out of us. We have thought our positions through and have more than likely explored many belief systems before concluding they are all crap. islam = death for all, that means you.

alexinfinite
alexinfinite
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Trading one set of chains for a new set…

Lion Heart
Lion Heart
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

Alleged god of Bible commands butchering of natives including men, women and CHILDREN (refer Joshua 7:12)

Joshua 8:24: Joshua cut the THROAT of 12,000 men and WOMEN of Ai….under commands of alleged god of Bible (Joshua 8:2)

Cut more throat of innocent WOMEN and MEN
(Joshua 10:28-40)

Joshua 11:11-23: Kill
MORE…Kill More…Kill more

My question to whole Christondom? Who is
this genocidal maniac god of Bible?

Father
Son
Or the Holy spirit?

Grace
Grace
8 years ago
Reply to  Lion Heart

If you read the Scriptures carefully, you will learn that the LORD allows a nation to fall when they have turn to full debauchery. He allows time for repentance as in the case of Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel. He also sent Jonah to the Ninevites, though Jonah hated them because they were evil, still God wanted to give them time to repent. God does not desire to destroy anyone, but He will not allow wickedness to continue.

Genesis 15:16 ““But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”” God waits. Note in this case the Amorites were still given time to turn from evil.

This Scripture gives a fuller explanation of God’s heart. If a nation is destroyed, it is because they are fully wicked. God ran the Jews out of Israel more than once and when they repented, He brought them back. He is good and just. Please take two minutes to read:

Ezekiel 18:19-25

19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord GOD, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked mandoes, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. 28 Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?

The God of Scripture died for your sins and mine so that we may be spiritually cleansed and live in heaven. He did it and that is what the Scriptures are all about, God redeeming mankind. That is a God of love who loves His creation. Try to look at it from His perspective, not a surface read.

Lion Heart
Lion Heart
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

The concept of God in Islam is a POWER..OMNIPOTENT, OMNIPRESENT POWER

Concept of god in Christianity is a PERSON:

1) a person with mummy, daddy, uncle aunty…

2) a person who has feet (Psalm 18:9), arms (Jer 27:5), wings (Psalm 36:7), hands (Job 27:11), eyes (Deut 8:3),

3) a person who goes into WWF wrestling (Genesis 32:22).

It is up to you what you want to believe in an Islamic concept of God as Power or Judea-Christianity’s mummy-daddy concept!!

Bohemianwriter1
Bohemianwriter1
8 years ago
Reply to  Grace

How does Christianity and Judaism in it’s ideology promote tolerance, religious freedom and human rights?

Islam is objectively in the Quran far more tolerant, and liberal than it’s Abrahamic predecessors – Judaism and Christianity. Islam is a more LIBERAL form of Christianity and Judaism. Using the SAME mythological figures, but far more humane. Islam promotes the same SOCIALIST ideals that Jesus promoted and fundies refuse to acknowledge. Both considered greed the worst kind of sin.

As in Christian world, women were the property of men. In Islamic countries, women had the right to inherit.

In Islamic countries, Jews lived protected by law. In Christian countries, they were slaughtered every Easter and Christmas.

Islamic countries during the Middle Ages had universities, education, science, healthcare.

In Christian countries, the people lived to serve the whims of freeloading church clerics and the nobility.

Islamists today resembles Christian crusaders and evangelic snipers who kills kids in the name of “war on terror” then the Islamic world of the Golden Age.

Christians are calling for gays to be killed. ISIS is killing gays. What is the difference between a hypocritical “christian” and an ISIL member who acts just the way that an American gun nut and bible thumper dreams of acting?

NOTHING!

Both American fundies and ISIS are antithetical to BOTH their prophets core values.

“If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Quran, 5:28)”

“Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(The Quran, 18:29)”

So tell us how Christianity in large is superior and more tolerant than Islam?
Because you believe in virgin births and think it’s right for someone else take the heat for bullshit you do in life?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called’hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

one verse:Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Bohemianwriter1
Bohemianwriter1
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Tell us how the bible and the torah promotes peace, tolerance, and freedom of religion instead of barking at trees apparently completely unknown to you.

Instead of answering my direct, and historical CORRECT points, you are using something taken out of a Christian torture guide made by clerics in the Dark Ages.

I see your bullshit and raise you with these:

“Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(The Quran, 18:29)

“If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Quran, 10:99)”

Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Quran, 109:1-6)”

“Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; – and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)”

“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)”

“If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Quran, 5:28)”

“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Quran, 60:8)”

“And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Quran 2:193)”

As an Atheist whom are still studying comparative religions, the Quran secures rights of non-believers and women completely unkown in the Christian world of Europe.

Now, your Islamists have been takiing Western arms, and christian fundie talking points and ideology and carried out all RW christian’s wet dreams – killing gays and infidels., A CHRISTIAN tradition since 392 AD – ….

So what are you? A christian fundie, or a Zionist who cheers the “divine right” of Jews of today to commit ethnic cleansing for something done in Christian EUROPE?

Or are you “dog forbid” an Atheist?

karl59
karl59
8 years ago

One man of courage makes a majority.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  karl59

Thank you very much for your kind comment.

Dusty Koellhoffer
Dusty Koellhoffer
8 years ago

Truly, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were pikers next to Muhammad.

You cannot divorce Islam from Muhammad
http://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/05/26/reforming-islam-is-as-absurd-as-reforming-christianity/

Christians crushed the Inquisition, Moslems endorse the Jihad
http://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/01/15/christians-crushed-the-inquisition-moslems-endorse-the-jihad/

Domenic Marando
Domenic Marando
8 years ago

Thank God the truth about Islam’s violent code is being made more known each day! Thank God for Pamela Geller, she has done more for America and the world than many organizations combined.

haveittodayray
haveittodayray
8 years ago

Well said. We all should be tired of the Islamic advance in America and the PC given to Islam. Enough is enough forget about PC. A clear and present danger. It is long overdue to forget about political correctness and watch out for all Mosques, and the Imans that preach the hate and violence toward America with their Quran and Sharia law.
The “Trojan Horse” is here and in your neighborhood. Its time to investigate all Mosques before further homeland attacks occur on our military, far too many Imans preach hate and violence toward America. How many more attacks will it take until America gets the message?4 Marines and one sailor are dead, as a direct result of the Mosques, Islam and the Quran what more is there to know?Have studied Islam and the Quran for several years now, have been inside Mosques and spoken to their Inmans. Let there be no mistake about it. Islam, from its beginning, has been a religion of the sword. The concept of Holy War (Jihad) mandated by Allah, requires all of Islam to completely subdue the earth through military and violent conquest. The Quran says it all. When will America wake up? One sad sick religion. They place a premium on death versus life. They will never grasp the concept of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness on earth. Women are treated as a sub class under Islam with no rights at all. They will never adapt to our customs and culture but rather want to force Islam and Sharia upon the World.. And if they can take a Jew, Christian or infidel to their death along with them, they view it as an honor. Like it or not, politcally correct or not, we are at War with Islam. And until America recognizes that fact, more tragic deaths will result. Sharia law will continue to expand. . Mosques are hiding places for terrorists and we have 3400 plus in America. Read the truth here about Islam and the Quran and Sharia. Get a copy of “heretic” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. a former Muslim that speaks from experience.. Violence is inherit in Islam. it is not a religion of peace. When they are praying 5 times per day they are praying for death to Jews Christians and infidels and most people are clueless. The threat is real folks. Read the book now and get the real truth. Also google “theprojectmuslimbrotherhood” and see their plan to destroy America from within. Again read the book “Heretic” a must read for all America, for truth about Islam.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

Islam: Fastest Shrinking Religion in the World (Part 3)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/islam-fastest-shrinking-religion-in-the-world-part-3

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Hhhhhhh are you kidding ??

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

hell no!
your ‘most perfect man’ was a thug and pedophile.
islam must go!

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago

This is nothing but fear mongering. One thing is what the Quran says, another is what Muslims do. Luckily, most Muslims are also born and raised to feel empathy towards human beings, and do not seek to kill them. Muslims are better than the Quran.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago

Actually, muslim children are taught to hate….from a very early age. Do your homework… You may be quite surprised and horrified to see what they are exposed to.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

Interesting that you use the word “Homework”, because staying at home is not the way to learn the truth. I have spent more than a year in countries with Muslim majorities, and not even once did anyone display any hate towards me.

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago

Well….in America, the term “homework” used as I used it means to do your study and research…to travel is also very educational, if one can afford it.

Carol Kouss
Carol Kouss
8 years ago

Yes of course and you can spend your whole long life without having any problem, as we know that most people are peaceful. However that does not take away from the idea that prejudice and hatred do not exist.

haveittodayray
haveittodayray
8 years ago
Reply to  Carol Kouss

Your correct Carol. We all should be tired of the Islamic advance in America and the PC given to Islam. Enough is enough forget about PC. A clear and present danger. It is long overdue to forget about political correctness and watch out for all Mosques, and the Imans that preach the hate and violence toward America with their Quran and Sharia law.
The “Trojan Horse” is here and in your neighborhood. Its time to investigate all Mosques before further homeland attacks occur on our military, far too many Imans preach hate and violence toward America. How many more attacks will it take until America gets the message?4 Marines and one sailor are dead, as a direct result of the Mosques, Islam and the Quran what more is there to know?Have studied Islam and the Quran for several years now, have been inside Mosques and spoken to their Inmans. Let there be no mistake about it. Islam, from its beginning, has been a religion of the sword. The concept of Holy War (Jihad) mandated by Allah, requires all of Islam to completely subdue the earth through military and violent conquest. The Quran says it all. When will America wake up? One sad sick religion. They place a premium on death versus life. They will never grasp the concept of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness on earth. Women are treated as a sub class under Islam with no rights at all. They will never adapt to our customs and culture but rather want to force Islam and Sharia upon the World.. And if they can take a Jew, Christian or infidel to their death along with them, they view it as an honor. Like it or not, politcally correct or not, we are at War with Islam. And until America recognizes that fact, more tragic deaths will result. Sharia law will continue to expand. . Mosques are hiding places for terrorists and we have 3400 plus in America. Read the truth here about Islam and the Quran and Sharia. Get a copy of “heretic” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. a former Muslim that speaks from experience.. Violence is inherit in Islam. it is not a religion of peace. When they are praying 5 times per day they are praying for death to Jews Christians and infidels and most people are clueless. The threat is real folks. Read the book now and get the real truth. Also google “theprojectmuslimbrotherhood” and see their plan to destroy America from within. Again read the book “Heretic” a must read for all America, for truth about Islam.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Tell it to ISIS. Tell it to Erodgan. Tell it to the Ayatollah Khameni. Tell them how Jew hatred isn’t part and parcel of Pi$$Lam. WHy don’t you go live in a in an izlamic state then DB? How about Somalia? Or Bangladesh (where atheists are being murdered in broad daylight)? Or Pakistan? Or Iran? Or Soddy Barbaria (where witches and sorcerers are still put to death)?

Radegunda
Radegunda
8 years ago

I’m sure you were very careful not to say anything critical of their “prophet.” A lot of people are killed for that, or for a mere rumor of “blasphemy,”

A Muslim called the police on a friend of mine, in the United States, because he made a remark that the Muslim considered blasphemous. When the police arrived, the Muslim lied, and claimed that my friend threatened him.

That was an ostensibly “moderate” Muslim, trying to impose Islam blasphemy rules on a non-Muslim.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Radegunda

islam: the ideology with NO ethics, NO golden rule

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

luckylucky

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Bronish

This is me (yellow shirt) with a bunch of hating muslims who politely asked if they could have a photo with me but obviously these haters wanted a picture only so they could put me in a database with people they need to kill, right? comment image

Bronish
Bronish
8 years ago

Wellllll…….?
I cannot say….one never knows.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Try criticising pi$$lam to them some day. Try criticising their holy prophet of death. Try going to any muslum state and publicly criticise pi$$lam or muhammud. Go ahead, do it.

jim
jim
8 years ago

Hey Jorgen, your an islamic sympathiser aren’t you ??? hows it going up there in Scandinavia ?? all good from your eyes.

all that lovely muslim immigration all working out fine hey ?? no problems at all hey.? they all want to integrate, dont they?. they form ghettos, preach hatred, are violent towards the kuffar especially the women whom they rape at an alarming rate.

form muslim areaas only, where they attack the police and any non muslim dare not go inside even the police.

all working out fine hey Jorgen ?!@??? your just part of the problem. Scandinavia is stuffed from ppl like you & muslim immigration. you lefties twats just support it and your own death, and you are too stupid to see it.

i dare you to go visit some of the no go zones in France and see how you and you little fair skin survive. you wont. especially if you go at night.

wear some jewish ornaments and pretend to be a jew and see if you can survive more than an hour with your so called peaceful little muslims who, according to you, dont want to kill you.

go on. i dare you. you wont b.c your gutless and you also know the real truth.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago

You never know.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

expect a short life

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

islamic supremacist head gear on those women(?)

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Then why do all muslum states, ALL OF THEM, persecute people of other faiths or no faith at all? Why do all muslum states have enforced blasphemy and heresy laws (that may be enforced under other auspices but have the exact same effect)?

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago

I don’t know which state you live in, but would you say it represents you and every person around you? Yes, a lot of Islamic governments are completely messed up. Apostasy laws are disgusting, I agree. One of the saddest examples is Iran, a country with wonderful and kind people, but with idiot Mullahs on the top of the chain holding back progress and suppressing the moderate part of the population.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Gee, why aren’t all your “moderate” musswein brethren standing up for the rights of non-muslims and gays in their various izlamic-nazi hellholes dipstick?

Nerberg
Nerberg
8 years ago

No, not really. The author explains what this religion consist of, not what ALL Muslims necessarily do.
Anyone with eyes and ears can see that not all Muslims are crazies out to kill you, but they can’t really speak up about it either, because, you know, that might get them killed.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  Nerberg

This is not what I read in the article. It’s a generalization which does a lot more harm than good. Happy to see that you have a more balanced view though.

nfliman
nfliman
8 years ago

If a Muslim does not want to follow the Quaran fully then they should look for a more moderate religion which worships the Creator. The Quran is hate literature and should be banned. ‘Muslims are better than the Quran’ does not make Islam acceptable, and followers of Islam need to reevaluate their beliefs and find a religion that fits them better. The only problem is they kill you if you become an apostate and try to leave. Really sad.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago
Reply to  nfliman

The bible is also hate literature, how about we ban that too? If you think that you can just pick and choose whatever religion you want, your faith can’t possibly be very strong, can it? For me personally, I can’t choose to start believing in any of the skydaddys currently available, or in those that will be available in the future.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Um, Jews and Christians aren’t slaughtering/enslaving people in the name of G-d in the 21st century fool.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

LOL, this retarded muzlim liar doesn’t seem to realize one of his fellow muslums just threatened the life of the author of this very essay right here on Pamelageller.com.

Please get stuffed Mehmet — preferably into an airtight coffin.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago

Wow, you really know how to recognize a Muslim from a mile away, don’t you? Do you think a Muslim would say “Muslims are better than the Quran”? Islam, like Christianity, is merely a medieval fairytale which belongs to the past. Let’s hope religious all over wake the f*ck up and see this.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

I don’t care what Christianity does or says in the 21st century dipstick. It’s not Christians who are going to kill me for criticising Jesus or the bible. If you’re not an idiot, you’re a lying musswein.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago

Yeah it’s obvious that you have problems seeing that anyone else than the Muslims cause problems in this world.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

…..the Muslims cause problems in this world.

Indeed the do:
95% of the world’s armed conflicts fomented by islam.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

takiya

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

muzlim

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

bacht Aravi?
You speak Arabic?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

shukran!

GP5K
GP5K
8 years ago

Mr Engin,

I am a spiritual, but non-religious American Jew. I fully support those more religious than I, from a Judeo-Christian standpoint, stopping short of Westboro-craziness level religion.

Since you seem to be responding to comments here, I am curious as to your insight, as why so few (even in America) Muslims are willing to stand up for their religion and to condemn the extremist element of Islam. Are they cowtowed by the extremists or do they just fit into my theory – there are two types of Muslims, extremists, and those who support them.

I’d like to think there is an explanation other than my theorem.

Also, I am wondering how as an atheist, you integrate into life in Turkey. I know it is “secular” by Muslim standards, but it must bee interesting.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  GP5K

Dear friend, in fact there is no difference between “Islam” and “Islamism”, and all Muslims called “moderate” are due to be “extremists” any time when they learn much about Islam, read Quran verses, hadiths (words of Muhammad) and learn much about sunnah (actions of Muhammad)…And I live and write in Turkey on Islam as an atheist author at the cost of my life…Because this is my obligation as an intellectual having honour…

Lia
Lia
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

Dear Mr Engin,
there is also the small matter that if a ‘moderate’ or less-devout muslim criticises islamic jihad he, she or their entire family could be killed forthwith. That’s why I think you are very brave.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Lia

“The term ‘moderate Islam’ is ugly and offensive.
There is no moderate Islam.
Islam is islam.”
Recep Erdogan, Turkish PM/Prez.

Lia
Lia
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

I know. That’s is why this man is so very brave, for to say that is no longer a devout believer in islam is to invite the death penalty.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

spot on

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  GP5K

resources:
politicalislam.com
themuslimissue.wordpress.com
thereligionofpeace.com
islam 101 at jihadwatch.org

Dennis
Dennis
8 years ago

This commentary reinforces my own view that the non-Islamic world MUST cut off the head of the snake before we can expect any significant change in the way those Islamists CONDUCT THEMSELVES. CLEARLY THEIR MOTIVATION IS THE BELIEF THAT NO MATTER HOW DEPRAVED THEIR CONDUCT, THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WILL LEAD THEM TO AN AFTERLIFE OF PLEASURE. REASONABLE PEOPLE WOULD NEVER BE EXPECTED TO THINK LIKE THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH RIGHT THINKING PEOPLE. These are people who are taught that their conduct is sanctified by their belief system. To compound the problem is their belief that they are winning their WAR against all of us non-believers. From that they reach the conclusion that their Allah is on their side, justifying their abhorrent conduct. WE NEED TO TAKE THE KIND OF ACTION WHICH WILL BEAT THEM AT THE WAR THAT THEY HAVE DECLARED. When they see that Allah is not supporting their cause, I expect that most of those within Islam will have REVELATIONS that their belief system will not give them the “riches” they presume will be theirs in the afterlife. Obviously, I recognize that I am oversimplifying what needs to be done, and much more would be required of us non-Islamic people thereafter, but I believe that is our first and only beginning choice lest we end up with the kind of fighting that was required to beat the Nazi’s.

haveittodayray
haveittodayray
8 years ago
Reply to  Dennis

Dennis you are right on. We all should be tired of the Islamic advance in America and the PC given to Islam. Enough is enough forget about PC. A clear and present danger. It is long overdue to forget about political correctness and watch out for all Mosques, and the Imans that preach the hate and violence toward America with their Quran and Sharia law.
The “Trojan Horse” is here and in your neighborhood. Its time to investigate all Mosques before further homeland attacks occur on our military, far too many Imans preach hate and violence toward America. How many more attacks will it take until America gets the message?4 Marines and one sailor are dead, as a direct result of the Mosques, Islam and the Quran what more is there to know?Have studied Islam and the Quran for several years now, have been inside Mosques and spoken to their Inmans. Let there be no mistake about it. Islam, from its beginning, has been a religion of the sword. The concept of Holy War (Jihad) mandated by Allah, requires all of Islam to completely subdue the earth through military and violent conquest. The Quran says it all. When will America wake up? One sad sick religion. They place a premium on death versus life. They will never grasp the concept of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness on earth. Women are treated as a sub class under Islam with no rights at all. They will never adapt to our customs and culture but rather want to force Islam and Sharia upon the World.. And if they can take a Jew, Christian or infidel to their death along with them, they view it as an honor. Like it or not, politcally correct or not, we are at War with Islam. And until America recognizes that fact, more tragic deaths will result. Sharia law will continue to expand. . Mosques are hiding places for terrorists and we have 3400 plus in America. Read the truth here about Islam and the Quran and Sharia. Get a copy of “heretic” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. a former Muslim that speaks from experience.. Violence is inherit in Islam. it is not a religion of peace. When they are praying 5 times per day they are praying for death to Jews Christians and infidels and most people are clueless. The threat is real folks. Read the book now and get the real truth. Also google “theprojectmuslimbrotherhood” and see their plan to destroy America from within. Again read the book “Heretic” a must read for all America, for truth about Islam.

Dennis
Dennis
8 years ago
Reply to  haveittodayray

Brilliant wording of the significant and severe problem our non-Muslim world is facing. I can only hope that our leaders will recognize what we are facing and take appropriate action.

Nerberg
Nerberg
8 years ago

I don’t agree that Islam (or any other religion) should be outlawed, only the initiation of force against other peaceful human beings. This also includes credible threats, stalking, scamming or otherwise (intentionally) preventing another peaceful human being to live in accordance with her reason.

I’m not sure if Islam is worse than Nazism, but it sure is more of a threat right now.
Nazism is the natural result of very angry socialists, after all.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Nerberg

Islam is worse than Nazism

politicalislam.com

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Serkan Engin is a brave man. I hope to G-d he doesn’t live in Turkey-stan now, because I’d hate to see him killed for having the bravery to expose pi$$lam for the death cult it really is. Who knows? At some point in the distant past his ancestors may have been Greeks forcibly converted to pi$$lam.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Many thanks dear friend 🙂 …I am currently living in Turkey, bu I am ready to die for my struggle…They can kill my body, but never can kill articles on Islam…

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

I wish you would leave Turkey. You’re far too moral and intelligent to be living in an izlamic-nazi state. Please leave, like Aayan Hirsi left Somalia. Please leave before it’s too late.

Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
Jørgen Reitan Sivertsen
8 years ago

You show your lack of outlook on the world by comparing Turkey with Somalia. I couldn’t find any sources saying that an atheist has been killed in Turkey since 1990, so no need to lose sleep over his “life-threatening struggle”.

haveittodayray
haveittodayray
8 years ago

We all should be tired of the Islamic advance in America and the PC given to Islam. Enough is enough forget about PC. A clear and present danger. It is long overdue to forget about political correctness and watch out for all Mosques, and the Imans that preach the hate and violence toward America with their Quran and Sharia law.

The “Trojan Horse” is here and in your neighborhood. Its time to investigate all Mosques before further homeland attacks occur on our military, far too many Imans preach hate and violence toward America. How many more attacks will it take until America gets the message?4 Marines and one sailor are dead, as a direct result of the Mosques, Islam and the Quran what more is there to know?Have studied Islam and the Quran for several years now, have been inside Mosques and spoken to their Inmans. Let there be no mistake about it. Islam, from its beginning, has been a religion of the sword. The concept of Holy War (Jihad) mandated by Allah, requires all of Islam to completely subdue the earth through military and violent conquest. The Quran says it all. When will America wake up? One sad sick religion. They place a premium on death versus life. They will never grasp the concept of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness on earth. Women are treated as a sub class under Islam with no rights at all. They will never adapt to our customs and culture but rather want to force Islam and Sharia upon the World.. And if they can take a Jew, Christian or infidel to their death along with them, they view it as an honor. Like it or not, politcally correct or not, we are at War with Islam. And until America recognizes that fact, more tragic deaths will result. Sharia law will continue to expand. . Mosques are hiding places for terrorists and we have 3400 plus in America. Read the truth here about Islam and the Quran and Sharia. Get a copy of “heretic” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. a former Muslim that speaks from experience.. Violence is inherit in Islam. it is not a religion of peace. When they are praying 5 times per day they are praying for death to Jews Christians and infidels and most people are clueless. The threat is real folks. Read the book now and get the real truth. Also google “theprojectmuslimbrotherhood” and see their plan to destroy America from within. Again read the book “Heretic” a must read for all America, for truth about Islam.

mileikowski
mileikowski
8 years ago

Serkan Engin! Ex-Muslim? You must be kidding? Quit enterprising your tailgate using Quran. Islam ain’t for sale Jackass. beheading apostate as yourself and blismphus as Pamela Geller ain’t stipulated in Surat Alnissa and Alameda but it’s in Surat Altaubah and Surat Mohammad. Run whore run… Baghdadi JADEHELM15 got your IP GPSed.

I thought Langley Boys arrested and lynched Pamela Geller, Geert Wilders from his scrotum along with all those Zionists scumbags: Pat Condell, Daniel Pipes, Jewish Mediawhore Debbie Schlussel and JIHADWATCH Jackass duo Baron Bodissey & Robert Spencer for conspiring and inspiring that Norwegian dickhead Anders Behring Breivik who took lives of 8 innocent people bombing government buildings in Oslo and murdering in cold blood 69 more people, mostly innocent teenagers in mass shooting at Workers’ Youth League (AUF) camp on Utøya Island.

Go Baghdadi Go! join ISIS now and Win Free Penis Enlargement T-Shirt. Don’t be shy. Don’t be afraid; it’s free.

Triumphalists Mythmakers Propagandists Unprecedented Mustread and Mediagenics Mustignore Boring GoogledJunk & MediaWhoresManure.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

Many thanks, you have explained us how a Muslim can be civilized 🙂

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

Wow, a muzlim-nazi threatening an apostate from pi$$lam, who would’ve ever thought that could happen from a practitioner of the religion of no peace? Please make sure Satan has not been urinating in your ear and remember to wipe w/an odd number of stones!

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Yes, very Satanic 🙂

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

Please leave Turkey soon Mr. Engin. There are still some places in the world where freedom of speech and freedom of religion and freedom of conscience still exist.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

There are still some places …….but for how long…..?

Angel Warrior
Angel Warrior
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

Get out of Turkey Serkan…..come to Canada!

tarandfeatherthecrooks
tarandfeatherthecrooks
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

Irony: Muslims won’t eat pork, but they are a nation of PIGS.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago

Pigs are actually too nice and better looking too.

Radegunda
Radegunda
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

Is it Islam that makes you so eloquent and high-minded?

Angel Warrior
Angel Warrior
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

WOW! Pull your head out from your ass mileikowski!

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

You sound like a blackmuslim who went off your meds.. Or perhaps you need some.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

muzlims don’t need no stinken’ meds…….

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Ain’t it the truth….

veritas
veritas
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

You need an assessment and some psychotropic medication , and in a hurry. You might also want to check how tight your underwear are.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

Grrrrrrrr……eh?
Welcome to the Age of Peak islam!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  mileikowski

Have you stopped taking your medication again?

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Dear friends,

In fact there is no difference between “Islam” and “Islamism”, and all Muslims called “moderate” are due to be “extremists” any time when they learn much about Islam, read Quran verses, hadiths (words of Muhammad) and learn much about sunnah (actions of Muhammad)…The danger is not about Muslims, but Islam because of having barbaric content…

Let’s have a look to these verses from Quran:

Quran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
Quran 3:28 “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.”
Quran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.”
Quran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam.”
Quran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other
the Quran.”
Quran 8:60 “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.”
Quran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.”
Quran 9:5 “When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you find
them.”
Quran 9:30 “The Jews and Christians are perverts, fight them.”
Quran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.”
Quran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods,
boiling water, melt their skin and bellies.
Quran 47:4 “Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; beahed them when
you catch.”

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Serkan Engin

spot on!

Ransom Davidson
Ransom Davidson
8 years ago

Thanks again Pamela for all you do and to this brave individual for telling the truth about one of the most evil and vile ideologies ever.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Swedish translation of the same article: “Därför är islam värre än nazismen”

http://www.d-intl.com/2014/08/29/darfor-ar-islam-varre-an-nazismen/

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Same article in Dutch: ‘De islam moet worden uitgebannen’ http://

http://cult.tpo.nl/2015/02/08/de-islam-moet-worden-uitgebannen/

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Same article in Indonesian Language: “Islam Lebih Buruk Dibandingkan Nazi”

https://buktidansaksi.com/blogs/1594/2014/08/Penyair-Turki-Islam-Lebih-Buruk-Dibandingkan-Nazi-

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Same article in Finnish: Ex- muslimi: Islam pitää kieltää http://

http://paavotajukangas.com/2015/04/10/ex-muslimi-islam-pitaa-kieltaa/

CJP
CJP
8 years ago

It is not a choice between Islam and Christianity, it’s a choice between Islam and sane civilization. Isis hates atheists too.

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago

The First lie
You said that Islam is a religion of tolerance “is the biggest lie”
Islam did not order the murder unless do a great sin like killing
It is that Islam does not kill and dose not order to rape , even with other religions
But forgive them and be good with him

The Second Lie
Muhammad did not do any act you mentioned at all
Not raping women prisoners
Not torturing prisoners
And the stoning of the adulteress and the adulterer also if he is married and she also, but that they were not married was 100 lashes both
Muhammad committed adultery with a child at least 9 years old this is lie, but he married her because she was able to marry the private high temperatures there help to accelerate growth and do not say in other words, Muhammad did not commit adultery his wife’s body at all

My advice to you
READ biography of Muhammad choose reliable books even from Non-Muslims to know more about the greatest man in history

And I asked you do you think that homosexual is normal ??!!!!! In your soul you will say of course NO
Like rape , robbery and killing these things not good and Islam order us to avoid it

My advice to you
BEFORE you saying words you must make sure it is correct

ISLAMIC religion is perfect but some MUSLIMS don’t represent this the greatest religion
READ About Islam to know the truth about the greatest religion on the world

And you said in other words this is big problem in your article you changed the meaning man !?

I hope to you be good and happy
And never talk about anything without make sure it is correct

Betty4440
Betty4440
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

you are so brainwashed it isn’t funny.

disqus_HlH4Faibhw
disqus_HlH4Faibhw
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Picture me making the cuckoo sign and pointing at you.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

lololol!! Ok – THAT was a good one, which I will remember.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

takiya and kitman
mohammad was a pedophile

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I’ve got my ticket!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I think you should follow your own advice and don’t think that we in the West are ignorant of Islam .Many of us know more about it,obviously,than you do.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

And never talk about anything without make sure it is correct

A threat, eh?

Lia
Lia
8 years ago

Brave, brave man! May you have a long life!

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago
Reply to  Lia

Thank you very much 🙂

Kristi17
Kristi17
8 years ago

muslims are all NAZIS and COMMUNISTS!!

Harish Thakkar
Harish Thakkar
8 years ago

What can be more dangerous to have these right in your own homes & right just before your own eyes on day to day basis ? World is in danger not because of “Climate Chang or Nuclear Weapons “.When you will awake ?

munchenfez
munchenfez
8 years ago

I have a question. Why do so many appeasers of the ROP insist that because it has 1.3/4/5/6/7 billion apparent adherants we must not be critical? Someone please give a smart, sharp, correct reply to this statement. I am sick of hearing it as a reason to accomodate the filth within our societies.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  munchenfez

1.2 which is already too many.
Why?
Because PC: all religions/cultures are of equal value.
PC will be the death of us.

Globalfirm:Humanrights&ecology
Globalfirm:Humanrights&ecology
8 years ago

There are 2 parts of Muhammadism: Islam (outward deception) & Jihad (uncoded Muhammadism) .
There are no segregated war times in Muhammadism. It’s war all time. War against human rights.

Muhammadan Jihad & Sharia is part of Germany’s history under Hitler. The massive immigration of Turks to Germany might bad been a search for spiritual identity as sadist Muhammad declared that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks. Here a text from my page Soundclick.com/Globalfirm “The Hitler Islam connection: The facts written here are from what I’ve read & remember & could be subject to errors. 
Hitler said the only prophet he would respect was Muhammad.  
Muhammad was a sadist torturer who let innocent people burn alive for not praying, a mass-murderer, racist slaveholder who seem to have initiated the enslavement of Africans by proclaiming that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs & Turks, he was a rapist who wanted all women to have cut out clitorisses, crucifier, a pederast who kissed little boys’ penises & sucked on boys’ tongues & lips, an unjust man who robbed & didn’t cared about radical human rights. 
Jews had to under the Hitler-regime sew a textile star as known from the Israel flag, on their clothes to be vulnerable. This idea, the textile yellow jewish star law was copied from an muhammadan tyranny since probably the 9th century in Baghdad where it was used probably without the more modern star-symbol & maybe for all non-Muslims. 
There was a terrorist Muhammadan in the middle east who continued Muhammad’s command to terrorize non-muhammadans and especially Jews. His name was Al-Husseini or something & he was appointed Grand mufti of Jerusalem, an islamic authority. He was financed by the Hitler-regime, then invited to Berlin where he was further financed & he was spreading his hate through a radio from Berlin to the middle east. 
He met with Hitler, planned  the Hitler-regime death-camps in which Jews,  Christians, gypsies, Africans, intellectuals,  human rights activists, homosexuals & socialists were tortured, enslaved, starved, killed. He for example urged in a letter to not let a special number of Jewish children to be freed for ransom money but to kill them. 
It was jihad Islamic terror. 
He also overviewed the only religious SS unit, SS was the Hitler-regime terrorist group in uniforms,  it was Islamic of course with halal food & Islamic style SS-uniforms. 
Al-Husseini’s uncle Arafat became a famous terrorist Islamic politician. 
Hitler took over the government in 1933, 5 years after the first mosque in Germany was build in Berlin. 
These facts should be known to every historian, pupil, student.”

There wouldn’t be no problem with immigration, the officially non-Muhammadan regions are interesting places of the world, wouldn’t be the government’s of those regions, lack of education on pederast, racist slaver & sadist Muhammad.
Cause this combination is disastrous.
Governments must get clear on ethics: human rights & ecology.

Here, immigration gone wrong, copy-pasted from a comment from a Pamelageller.com reader: ” “Khaybar” is thename of a famous incident in 
which Mohammed led his followers into a ‘battle’ with a peaceful tribe 
of Jews who lived in the settlements of Khaybar, about 40 miles from 
Medina.

The Khaybar community were well known as productive farmers who
provisioned the whole area, they were also famous for their 
hospitality, lighting beacons so that travellers in the desert could 
find their way to some sort of shelter even at night.

Mohammed’s agents
got into the towns pretending to be travellers. They were treated as 
guests and then got up in the middle of the night and killed their 
hosts. Victorious in the subsequent battle, Mohammed ordere between600 and 900 Jewish men beheaded and took the women and children as 
slaves.

Mohammed had the one Jewish tribal leader and his son killed, 
then took the son’s 17 year old widow for a ‘wife’ on the same day. 
When Moslems chant “Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud” (“Khaybar, Khaybar, Oh 
Jews!”) they are remembering this slaughter with pride and expressing a 
wish to repeat it.” ”

It is mass-psychologically crucial to expose these things in mass media, educate about Muhammad’s sadism, slavery, racism, pederasty, sadist open end commandments etc., about Hitler’s atrocities in connection to Islam, about Muhammadism’s unjust violent history til today if we honestly don’t want this brainwashing & Jihad-violence to happen over & over again. It is political education.

Expose & ban the lunatic ideology of the white fascist inventor of slavery of Africans Muhammad, for the pride of Africans!
If we don’t want Jihad to reoccure again & again we have to educate about this pederast, white fascist inventor of slavery of Africans, who justified slavery of Africans by saying that his deity colored Africans black so their descendants would be slaves to Arabs & Turks, who dreamed about an all white people paradise with pederasty,
publicly shame, expose the rapist, thief, extortionist, deceiver, racist, mass-murderer, unjust torturer, crucifier who burned alive innocent people to death.

If government officials aint got that political education they are a public security threat, not dedicated to their task, not fit to do their job, disrespectful.
Apostates of theism unite for human rights the new religion.
No more power to people who are brainwashed with religious contracts they made with unicorns, Santa claus, deities or pederast, rapist, inventor of African slavery, deceiver & sadist Muhammad.
Islam works in two ways: Islam (Taqiyya-deception) & Jihad-violence.
Just like I don’t want the government to be infested with theism I don’t want it to represent any religion of Taqiyya deception or Jihad violence.

Enough of the retarded brainwash, enough of the arrogant people in the government that are too idle or too retarded to educate themselves about what Muhammad did & open-endedly commanded his army to do. Enough of the Jihad.

حمد الكندي
حمد الكندي
8 years ago

Hi Pamela

I read your articl above. I am Muslim and i am living in Islamic country.
I would say that details which mention above is not the real Islam . You had discribed some behaviuors of non muslim represonters. Because the real islam never instruct people to kill each other . And the parts of Quran you had mentioned above are not in a right place in you articl. Sorry to say that you use Holly Quran without understant it.
Please all people … Islam is not that groups who kill others. ( they are miss understand the Islam ) . The history proved that Islam is a way from killers and strict user the name of islam.

Regards

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

If you believe that, why aren’t you standing up en masse, denouncing your terrorist counterparts, demanding an overhaul of your murdering ideology, and expunging the texts of the violence. Until that happens, not one Muslim can be trusted anywhere in the world. Every single one of you is suspect.

You all cloak yourselves in a thin veneer of civility. But, at the least provocation, you throw off your cloak and expose yourselves for what you are – murdering savages.

IslamDownpressesHumanity
IslamDownpressesHumanity
8 years ago

Your psychopathic, child molesting, narcissistic prophet set the mold when he slaughtered innocent people for criticising him and slaughtered/expelled/enslaved all the Jews in Saudi Barbaria for rejecting his prophet hood. Please GFY.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

I am afraid that the old “you don’t understand ” approach will not work anymore for a lot of people in the West;many of us have been studying Islam for years ,the koran,ahadith,sira. The “real ” islam most certainly does instruct Muslims to kill–unbelievers,the kuffir ,anyone who rejects Allah as God and who rejects Muhammad as a prophet. It is the fake Islam that only exists in the minds of Muslim apologists and Western politicians that does not.
It is true that parts of the Koran are merely a re-write of the Torah and Christian Gospels in a garbled and confused version but too much of the Islamic writings focus on the “infidel ” and how he is to be treated by the Umma.
The Kufir is looked upon as a base creature ,deserving only of death or humiliation. Have you never heard of the dhimma,and the cruel and oppressive conditions Christians and Jews were forced to accept when Islam conquered their lands? Have you never read of the vast slaughter and enslavement of Hindus in what is now India when their country was invaded over and over by Islam? Or the wicked enslavement of African people by the Arab slave dealers and the approximately 80% of these poor people who died through exhaustion and cruelty before they even reached the slave market?;when they were sold their owners castrated the males. Then there are the tens of thousands of Christian girls and others who were forced into sexual slavery as captives of the invading Muslims;these girls,blonde and blue or green eyed were highly prized by the Islamic warrior and today ,I.S,devout muslims, are still doing this. Has any Muslim state condemned this ? No because to do so would be to condemn Muhammad and Allah who sanctioned it.
The “peace” that Allah ,who by the way,is a pagan deity to non Muslims,and Muhammad talk about is when Islam has finally conquered the whole world and has coerced everyone into dhimmitude under shariah law.
Do you not know of the doctrine of “abrogation”? Under this “revelation” Allah and Muhammad revoked most of the so called peaceful verses that Muhammad preached in Mecca before leaving for Medina and becoming a warlord. In Mecca Muhammad attracted about 150 followers;it was only in Medina when he promised booty ,sex slaves and power that thousands joined him.
I know that in an Islamic country you cannot critically discuss Islam or Muhammed;blasphemy is punished by death as is leaving Islam.You probably do not hear or read about the true facts of Islam. When Muslims come to the West they hear for the first time these things being discussed and criticised and ridiculed. They are probably shocked. They become angry and violent because Islam tells them that they should. In the West free speech and thought is sacred. God ,the God of Jesus,not Allah,gave people freedom.God is our Father ,Jesus our friend and brother as well as our saviour. Jesus is God,not the pointless “muslim” prophet of the Koran who was not crucified or resurrected.This idea is very offensive to Christians;have you ever thought of that?
I suggest you try to read the gospel of Christ,you will find it liberating and refreshing and most importantly,it will lead to your salvation and set you free from the chains of islam.

Infidelnight
Infidelnight
8 years ago

All muslims are suspect. There are no moderate muslims, unless of course, you consider being burned to death in a cage more liberal than beheading. Muslims are a cancer in otherwise peaceful populations. Islam is a barbaric belief system that makes Nazism seem tolerable. Society needs to hold all muslims accountable for the savage behaviour of it’s believers. No muslim is innocent, they are all guilty by association. Where is the “so called” moderate muslim outrage at the atrocities committed by the extremists? No outrage because deep down all muslims are extremists. The difference is that some muslims prefer to stand by quietly and watch the carnage while their brethren commit unspeakable acts of violence.

No Quarter
No Quarter
8 years ago

I love seeing that billboard!!! It is awesome and reminds me that we have not lost!!!!! Thanks Pam.

Tapash Ghosh
Tapash Ghosh
8 years ago

In the era of Internet, true face of Islam is exposed and muslim society is highly confused when they read the huge knowledge base of non-muslim world, and realize the truth of life. The extinction process of Islam from mind of the people has just started. Intellectually bankrupt and religion of terrorist, loosing its religious musk very fast. The extinction process is getting the momentum due to prolonged list of ex-muslim on daily basis.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  Tapash Ghosh

I hope you are right.

Michael K. Leader
Michael K. Leader
8 years ago

The book The Berlin Baghdad Express by Sean McMeekin published by Penguin Group ISBN: 978-1-846-14323-6 covers the period 1898-1918. This is the period when Germany established a special relationship with the Ottoman Empire and to complete a railroad between Berlin to Baghdad. The purpose was to destroy the British Empire by harnessing the power of Islam.

I could never quite understand why during WW2, the grand mufti of Jerusalem resided in Berlin, on Hitler’s generous payroll complete with multiple residences.
It’s a remarkable read……while a failure, the world lives with the devastating consequences today.

Serkan Engin
Serkan Engin
8 years ago

Dear friends, I advice you to read my essay named “Genocide in the name of Allah” about the relation between Islam and Armenian, Assyrian, Greek genocides perpetrated by my Turk ancestors in Ottoman Empire. You will find similar cruel crimes like ISIS members commit today.

(Islam permits all Muslims to kill and rape every non-Muslim and to grab all their money and property. The Turks and Kurds who killed their own non-Muslim neighbors, forced their women and little girls to become sex slaves and took all they owned had no awareness of the “nationalism” propagated by their commanders, the leaders of the Union and Progress Organization. The Turks and Kurds who took part in the Armenian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Nestorian and Pontian Greek genocides and massacred innocent human being with pleasure, did not do it for the sake of “Turkish nationalism”. They were simple farmers, describing themselves as “Muslims”, not as “Turks” or “Kurds”.)

http://araratnews.am/genocide-in-the-name-of-allah/?lang=en

Werner K. Freund
Werner K. Freund
8 years ago

As an engineer I was taught to question things and I honestly do not know if I am a Christian or a non-believer. I know there are things in our universe we do not understand and never will because of our limited life. We live in a three dimensional entity. What about other dimensions? We can never comprehend. For most people they do not exist, but they are real. One dimension we can theorize = nothing. Two dimensions we deal with as length and width or what other form you may want to give it. Again, in a physical sense it does not exist. If it does not have any height it is nothing. But wait a minute, what about a shadow or a projection they do exist and we make use of it yet there is no height or thickness. It is true two dimensional. What about a fourth dimension? Here we start to speculate and again we can say it does not exist but can we be certain? We can use in mathematics as many dimensions as we want but that is only theory. However, I recall during my education there were some formula that use a fourth dimension to obtain accurate results. So, can we be certain there are no other dimensions? May be mankind invented religions to explain unexplainable occurrences or in lay terms, miracles. As far as I’m concerned anyone who claims to be an atheist really limits his mental capacity. Amen

Dub Bully
Dub Bully
8 years ago

So if I draw a line I am the god of the first dimension then I draw a box I am now a god of the second dimension if I build a box surely I am now a god of the third dimension.
Worship me

Cate
Cate
8 years ago

Somewhat offtopic here – the topic of dimensions is incredibly fascinating to me. Actually, we do exist in the 4th dimension because we move in time. Time is fixed in our 3rd dimension, but we move in it. So, in essence, that is the 4D aspect of our 3D world. Then I imagine what it would be like living in the 5th dimension, where we can move freely in time – backwards, forwards, or any point that we want. All our current problems related to time (i.e., have to pay bills at a certain time of the month, issues with friends or family that happened at some point in the past, our own mortality), all that stuff disappears. They become completely irrelevant. Crazy things to think about.

And yes, I agree with you – those who limit their capacity to consider anything beyond the limits of what we can actually see, limit their ability to consider what is possible.

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  Cate

And I forgot to mention – as you noted, a shadow or a projection (TV, computer monitor, etc) is real in our 3rd dimension. So, that is the 2D aspect in our 3D world. Then I think about what someone in a 2D world would see from their perspective, if a 3D object intersected, then cut through a 2D object. I can only imagine how crazy that would seem to someone limited to a 2D world. Nonetheless, it is real. Both dimensions exist together in our 3D world. So, why couldn’t a 5th dimension, 6th, 7th and so on, be right there in front of our faces – we just can’t see them because of the physical limits our bodies have? (By the way, I LOVED the move Interstellar.)

daledor
daledor
8 years ago

I think Islam is worse than the NAZI’s — but only in contrast
worse because most German citizens had no idea of Hitler’s evil.
Whereas, Islam religiously propagandizes its people to think that murder
of their loved one is a service to God rewarded by 2-7 virgins in
Heaven. The difference is in degree of dedication to what we know is
obvious evil. —– Germans were conned by the media covering up truth –
with Islam it is quite apparent what is evil. Many German military
started hating Hitler when his deception became apparent, like in
America with Obama – many followed their leader blindly blaming all
others and adoring their ‘master’. Whereas, in Islam the more devious
and bloodthirsty a person is the more dedicated to their god Allah, the
moon god. —- Islam not only kills those who don’t do what they are
told to they kill families of those often. Both are bad but Islam has
better spies to turn in dissidents than Hitler ever dreamed. The Hitler
youth were brainwashed into such loyalty to Hitler as to turn in their
own families if they disparaged Hitler. Islam promotes death of
non-Islam with religious propaganda that propels their evil further
-driven by a belief in a false God.

June Skelton
June Skelton
8 years ago

In other news, Bill Warner drew my attention to this:

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Put a Little Hurt on the Muslim Brotherhood

The Muslim Brotherhood group, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations), is campaigning to be named one of the “top-rated non-profit” organizations for 2015. Here’s a great opportunity to flood the website called ‘Great Nonprofits’ with the sad truth about CAIR.

Here you go… Let them know how all the “Islamophobes” in America feel about them! So far they are at 1.5 stars… The comments are good http://greatnonprofits.org/org/council-on-american-islamic-relations-inc

Thank you for all you do!

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Midwester
Midwester
8 years ago

The real question is, when will non-Muslims wake up and begin to treat Islam as it should be treated – not with tolerance and “respect”, but as a disease that must be eradicated?

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Serkan- I have some questions–
1. Do you know if the moderate Muslim is aware of the contents of Koran?
2. If he does, is he in agreement?
3. If not, is this because he has been lied to by those who do- the Imams?
4. “We may smile in the face of the infidel but in our hearts we hate him” Is this a common attitude amongst Muslims?

I lived in Turkey, owned a house and was very happy. The people were so generous, helpful and friendly; then I decided to find out more about the Religion of Peace. Soon I felt nervous and had to leave. What surprised me most was the level of Jew hatred by even the nicest of Muslims…and the way they forced themselves to believe Koranic ‘science’.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

the moderate Muslim
“The term ‘moderate Islam’ is ugly and offensive.
There is no moderate Islam.
Islam is islam.”
Recep Erdogan, Turkish PM/Prez.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Yes, I’ve seen this many times. Originally I used the term ‘average Muslim’ but what does ‘average’ mean?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

rhetorical question?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim Fox

Do you know if the moderate Muslim is aware
of the contents of Koran?

800 million Muslims out of 1.4 billion are illiterate: Dr Farrukh Salem

Fact to realize is, Muslims have been poor, illiterate, war mongering savages for 1,400 years because they are kept hostage by Islam – a medieval hate ideology perpetrated by a criminal and lunatic who suffered depressions, raped, murdered and robbed other people, flew around on a ‘winged’ donkey, and had no control at all of his bestial urges, desires and distorted ego.

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/800-million-muslims-out-of-1-4-billion-are-illiterate-dr-farrukh-salem/

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Yep- know all this but that doesn’t answer my question which was posed to the author of this piece.

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Watch this to know ??

made by Britain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNpfWrTqHM

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

This is all made up ,false history. Islam conquered the centres of learning ,all the scientists ,mathematicians etc just had to live under Islamic rule ,they were not ,in the main ,Muslims. In fact Islam caused a road block in knowledge reaching the West because of the continual Jihad practiced against Europe unceasingly. This knowledge came from India ,Persia,Greece,syria, Christian nations,Persia was Zoroastrians,India was Hindu and Buddhist. Islam had all the wisdom of these conquered peoples but still managed to go backwards. That’s because science was closed down under Islam.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Good response.

And……

Lies that Moslems make up. Islam invented nothing.

Propaganda is not truth. Mendacity is not history.

What follows is a list of items that Moslems never invented but claim as their own. In times past this was called ‘lying’, with mendacity a psychopathic condition usually found in mental degenerates. Today it is recognized as truth or at least as ‘an interesting viewpoint, which cannot be dis-proven, since reality does not exist, and we don’t know anything’.

http://western-civilisation.com/article/2277/43/Golden_Age_Myths/Lies_that_Moslems_make_up__Islam_invented_nothing__

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Zaba.this has been made possible in the West by the pusillanimous politicians and elite who have contrived to invent these ridiculous lies. Great article too.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

At least Trump and others are speaking up about islam.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

islam is worse than dung.
Actually, along with Jews, dung is on islams Top Ten
forbidden items list!

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Yes, it is- because it utilises ‘respect’ for religion to substantiate its evil ideology.

cmh
cmh
8 years ago

it is the worst of any man-made thought.

Adam
Adam
8 years ago

Thank you for your article Serkan. I have similar thoughts about Islam as well as the only solution to it. Like Nazism, Islam must be (1) criminalized, and (2) eradicated completely from the modern, civilized, democratic societies of the world (and preferably the whole world). What’s more, those who advocate it – in any way – must themselves be treated as “accessories before and after the fact” (enablers) to the crimes that Islam has committed, and continues to inflict, on all of humanity.

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago

Please before saying anything make sure it is correct

All words in this topic isn’t true

Read about Islam and Muhammad honestly

Then say your comment

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I would suggest that you should do that;you are in denial. I have read the koran,some ahadith,the sira. I have come to the conclusion that Muhammad was a violent ,cruel,warlord who conveniently received “revelations” from Allah,your god ,not mine,often to suit his own purposes.How anyone can read about the behaviour of Muhammad and Allah’s cruel and spiteful nature,only loving Muslims and hating everyone else,and still regard it all as a good “religion” is a total mystery to me. Think for yourself,cast off the brain washing of generations .Open your eyes and see the truth.

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Unfortunately You are spiteful to Muhammad

Maybe you read about him from who like you

this isnt justice to talk about Muhammad

Listen to who know the real about Muhammad

I ask Did you lestin about The 100 book ??

The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History (1978), which has sold more than 500,000 copies and been translated into 15 languages.[citation needed] The first person on Hart’s list was Muhammad, chosen over Jesus or Moses. (Hart, 1992) Hart attributes this to the fact that Muhammad was “supremely successful” in both the religious and secular realms. He also accredits Muhammad for his role in the development of Islam, far more influential than Jesus’ contribution to the development of Christianity. Hart claims that St. Paul was more pivotal than Jesus to the growth of Christianity.

WHY MUHAMMAD THE FIRST ???? Although Hart isn’t Muslim !!!

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

And I ask you Is Jesus Dead ??

So,Why you follow dead man ??

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

No Jesus is not dead. He is with God and in God,where he came from before becoming a human being. Jesus Christ was with God and in God from the eternity of ages. God made all things through Christ,God’s word.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

spiteful to Muhammad

Yes I am
Khybar Oasis
628 CE

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I told you where I read about Muhammad,the Koran,ahadith and sira. It’s all there. The trouble is that what we in the West find disreputable and cruel you seem to think is fine. Islam still stones women,kills apostates and people who speak against Islam and even shariah. Slavery is condoned and child marriage.Women are second class citizens,Christians,jews and non Muslims are persecuted all over the Islamic world. Christian have to struggle to build or repair a church that other Muslims have damaged or destroyed.
Michael Hart’s book lists people according to their influence on history,not their goodness. I’m sure that Hitler and stalin and Pol Pot and Mao are there too,all profoundly wicked men.
As to St. Paul having more influence on Christianity than Jesus;this is obvious nonsense. Without Jesus Paul would never have started the Churches. Where do you think Paul got his knowledge of Christ from ? Jesus. Jesus came to Paul in the desert on Paul’s way to Damascus . Hart is just one man and his listing is just his opinion. Muhammad did have a huge affect on history,but in a bad way which resulted in millions of innocent people being slaughtered and millions enslaved.
Islam’s own literature tells us everything about Muhammad and to Western values ,it’s not good. Jesus spread peace and love,redemption and salvation. Muhammad and Allah take that all away by teaching people that Jesus is not God and was not crucified for us all or resurrected. Christians are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, Muslims have to rely on Allah’s moods.
My advice to Muslims is read the Gospels ,stop persecuting Christians and Jews and seek salvation through Christ.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Unfortunately You are spiteful to Muhammad…..

Of course we are, and that’s the least of it.
Were he still alive, we’d be smiting him as well.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

I think we would have to because there would be even more violence than there is now from the Islamic world.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

you seem to think is fine.

muzlims are ordered to.
Otherwise, death.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

That’s true of course.Muslims are victims of Islam too;but it’s up to them to do something about it.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

……You are spiteful to Muhammad…..

Of course we are, and that’s the least of it.

Were he still alive, we’d be smiting him as well.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Before saying any word make sure it is correct

mohammad was a pedophile and a thug

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

No No No He wasn’t
and I ask you from Who you know this false words

Please read more about Mohammed , you wronged him

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

you wronged him

I know…blasphemy….deheadng…et al

eft off

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

WHAT did you Say ??!!
You are poor man

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

WHAT did you Say ??!!
Vision issues from 14 centuries of islamic inbreeding?

Aren’t you embarrassed that mo was a thug, pedophile,
gang banger and ‘so much more’?
See: hadiths

Many muzims are……

Islam: Fastest Shrinking Religion in the World (Part 3)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/islam-fastest-shrinking-religion-in-the-world-part-3

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Oh No You are Poor man if you are stay like this you will go to hell
I ask How 3 in 1 ?? I know you understand me

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Yes.
The islamic TRILOGY:
KORAN, HADITHS, SIRAS……

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

EVIL MOSLEM

redundant

Can u tell me how to boldface a comment?

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

If you knew God He would send the Holy Spirit to dwell with you and you would know the answer to these things.You will never find out on your own. You are blinded by a false prophet. But Jesus says all who turn to Him will be saved.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

the evil that is islam!!

NOT a strong enuff description……

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

We ‘thank you’ for this:
ARAB SLAVE TRADE – The Legacy and History of the Arab Slave Trade

http://www.arabslavetrade.com

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

From the Islamic sources,no where else. Have you ever read your own “religion”.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

mo’s your man, eh?

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

First I respect Jesus more than you and i love him more than you

He was a prophet and Muhammad ordered us to respect all prophets

ـJesus Mentioned in the Qur’an more than Muhammad

This is the key to think before it’s too late!

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

If Jesus was god
and Why he is dead ???
This is disappointment
GOD NEVER DIE

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

islam
Expect anything from the ideology with NO Ethics,
NO Golden Rule.
See info tabs on islam at thereligionofpeace.com

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

mo died from food poisoning.
Familiar with who did it?

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Anyone with any sense would not agree to a Jewish slave woman who’s husband had been murdered by Muhammad or one of his group, cooking him dinner when she volunteered. The lamb /mutton even warned Muhammad that it was poisoned but he just carried on. When was the last time the Sunday roast started a conversation during dinner in your house? No ,mine neither; If it did though I might think it had something worth listening to.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

nice!

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Robert Spencer in PJM: Chattanooga Shooter
Marinated in Self-Pity OveIslamophobia’

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/robert-spencer-in-pjm-chattanooga-shooter-marinated-in-self-pity-over-islamophobia

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Your problem that you just read in false websites that goal to stop Islam

open Islamic sites to tell your about the Islam

http://www.thekeytoislam.com/en/

http://www.pbuh.us/

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

goal to stop Islam

Indeed, our goal is to crush the 14 century fraud of islam into non existence.
The Age of Peak islam is upon us, inshallah!
Piss Be Upon Him

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

You will never be able to stop this religion because it is the only truth in this world

Islam will continue in spite of all who have a hatred and it will spread and grow up

Look at the number of new Muslims is on the rise and that percentage increases for this turn to Islam

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

You will never be able to stop this religion

islam is an ideology, worse than nazism, with the thinnest of thin veneers of religion.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Just read the Islamic sources;Koran,ahadith,sirra.It’s all there in all it’s cruelty.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Hey Dorrie:

re: We KNOW Islam is evil! We don’t need someone trying to proselytize it!!

How would you characterize your above comment?

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Islam is a lie right out of the pit of hell!
Yeshua/Jesus is….NOT….. the ONLY Way,

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I think you wont open your mind and heart
If you do it you will find the truth

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I am sure that you didn’t watch this at the end
because you will not open your mind and your heart

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Who Create you and the all the world sun moon stars water animals ,,,,etc ???
he is the one he is Allah (god)

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

o yes. allah the moon god stolen from a desert tribe by mo.
We know this from a long line of Arab historians.
How about that kabaa?

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Allah is The god ,chief god of 360 gods in the Kaaba.He is not the God of Christians and Jews.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I don’t put anything into my head that isn’t Godly.

Not a bad idea to watch/read what the enemy is saying.

It usually offers solid ammunition with whitch to
refute their krap.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

allah is NOT God.
remember allah hu akbar?
My ‘god’ is superior to your God.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

“It’s In The Koran”, by “Patrick Henry”
http://markhumphrys.com/in.the.koran.html

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

islam:
Expect anything from the ideology with NO Ethics,
NO Golden Rule.
See info tabs on islam at thereligionofpeace.com

Ali El Khodary
Ali El Khodary
8 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam

Why ?? and the number will increase
Look to the list you will find smart men famous players writers ,,,, etc
Are these men crazy ??? !!!!

they find the light

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

Dorrie:
I think it is good to leave such comments up.
It is so much fun to easily refute the fraud of islam…….
PS: I could make a similar comment regard your use of Jesus.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

this s an ongoing thing and part of the battle we fight.
Always good to know what the enemy is saying.

Trust in the Lord, but keep your powder dry.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

excellent!
I believe power works wet or dry……
Also….gun powder.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Trouble is Dorrie that is a two edged sword. If we stop him from expressing his views,people will use that as a stick to beat us with (excuse the double metaphor) and stop us from speaking too. I fear that is coming anyway.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

I agree with you.Obama is a strange one.He certainly does act like a Muslim “Trojan horse” and he is no friend of Israel ,Christians either it would seem. He is dangerous and devious.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

I meant to add that I would say that America is in a much better position than Europe and Britain.America is incredibly big and has a large population.It will take a century or more for Islam to become a real danger.They will however be an increasingly irksome thorn in the flesh as their numbers and influence grows. Europe on the other hand has probably just a few decades at present trends.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

they find the light…..

mohammed designed islam as a
replacement and superior ‘religion’.
He did this because allah the moon god ‘told him’ that
Christianity was corrupt and Judaism extinct.
Ergo, the very existence of breathing Jews and Christians
(forget even about Israel….)
calls into question the ‘perfect and unchangeable’ koran and
it’s main spokesperson, mo.

In the koran, this is blasphemy, the penalty is death.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Ali El Khodary

I think you are all crazy. Snap out of it.You are in thrall to a hoax and a false prophet.You’ve been conned.But you don’t have to keep on being conned. Why do you think Muhammad decided that no one could leave Islam,or question it,or argue about it or think for yourself? It was to keep you a captive through fear.

Hammad Asad
Hammad Asad
8 years ago

It seems that when people change or denounce their faith, they feel the need to demonize their previous faith. I recently read an essay by a former Jew named David Dvorkin in which he seems to want others to leave Judaism too. Serkan Engin has a right to leave his faith- its his choice. My only concern is that he repeats old lies and misinformation about Islam to justify why he left. I say to him, you can leave a religion without the use of lies and insults.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

My only concern is that he repeats old lies and
misinformation about Islam …….

In other words, more muzlims will catch on
to the 14 century fraud that is islam.

themuslimissue.wordpress.com

Hammad Asad
Hammad Asad
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

have you done your own research on this, or are you just repeating what you have heard? Please be honest with me.

Hammad Asad
Hammad Asad
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

so what do you make of verses like the following from the Quran:

“Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians, – Any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”

Are there verses in the Bible, old or new testament, that command people to kill/destroy/rape? Dorrie, my argument is that anyone can cherry pick a book and demonize it.

Hammad Asad
Hammad Asad
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

Dialog is a wonderful thing Dorrie. Why not discuss things in a civil manner? Take care.

Hammad Asad
Hammad Asad
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

I see that your convictions are strong- that’s a good thing as the world seems to be turning away from God. My point is that we can have different faiths without hating each other. I do not hate you because you are Christian.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

The religion of genocide: More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined

The Spanish inquisition (Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición) from 1478 to 1834 was established due to muslim invasions. It was the war and battle to try and end Islamic infiltration, Arab fascism and conquest. It’s quite interesting how similar to muslims their methodology was. Was it habit by long association under muslim rule or a strategy?

Note: The Spanish Inquisition was an answer to the multi-religious nature of Spanish society following the reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula from the Muslim Moors.

Since over half of Islamic doctrine is about Kafirs (non-Muslims), it follows that prayers would include Kafirs too, so every day, a Muslim prays for the punishment and suffering of all Kafirs. The prayers also follow the Koranic doctrine that Muslims are not to be a true friend of them. Muslims are to forsake and turn away from Kafirs.

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/muslims-have-killed-over-590-million-non-muslims-since-the-birth-of-mohammed/

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

I agree.I think a lot of Spanish Christianity was tainted by long domination by Islam,some of it is reminiscent of Islam;even the exile of the Jews in 1492 is a hangover from Islamic Jew hatred.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

I am always relieved when people agree with the facts…..
islam must go!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

Dorrie.I respect you and your views but aren’t you splitting hairs a bit when you say you are not a Christian? Christians are just followers of Christ ,like you. All the first Christians were practicing Jews as you know.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

The Jewish view:
Messianic Jew=oxymorn

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

morons for mensa
vegetarians for meat
Jews for jesus

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

spot on

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

I think you misunderstand the early church and her pragmatic decision to allow the pagan festivals to run in tandem with the Christian festivals.this had virtual finished by the 8th century.Constantine did not change the gospels,they go back to very soon after the crucifixion. I am non denominational myself.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

I have too,I am 70 years old. There is plenty of evidence from documents written very soon after the resurrection. But ,no,I won’t try to argue with you. I’m a bit disappointed though because you are saying what the Muslims say;they also say the same thing about the Torah. But don’t let’s fall out over it.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Dorrie. Sadly you are still under the domination of the law.It is because the law was meant only until it was fulfilled. It has been fulfilled. You seem to despise Christians,we should be as one.No Jew ,no Gentile in Christ. Good luck to you,and hopefully one day you will know the true saving grace of Jesus and realize that in Him the old contract between God and man is completed. Goodbye.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

Jesus is God, friend ,brother to us Christians. As he said to His disciples “The greatest love a person can have for his friends is to give his life for them. And you are my friends if you do what I command you.I do NOT call you SERVANTS any longer,because a servant DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HIS MASTER IS DOING.Instead I call you friends,because I have told you everything i heard from My Father.” (John 15 11) Muslims are slaves to Allah,Christians are not slaves to the Father,Jesus call us joint heirs. I fear you are on the wrong track. As I say I don’t want to argue with you,I just wanted a conversation,briefly,not a challenge. I can answer your challenges ,but I’d rather not get involved in a long debate on this site. You cannot have salvation in Christ AND the old contract.That’s the point .

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

so what do you make of verses like …

mo abrogated anything nice in the koran at Medina.
islam must go!

Hammad Asad
Hammad Asad
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Did you know that many Muslim scholars reject the notion of abrogation? Muslims have had heated arguments about this topic for years. I reject abrogation. Anyway, I’m going now, but I will probably check the site tomorrow. I do not agree with you, but I respect the fact that you have done your own research. That is to say, you are not just repeating things you have heard. Because of you and others, I am actually going to study the Quran more. I see now that I need a better understanding of it. Take care.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

Did you know that many Muslim scholars reject the notion of abrogation?

takiya
The would make those ‘muzlim scholars’*
blasphemers.
*’muzlim scholars’ is an oxymoron.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

I am actually going to study the Quran more.

For a study guide, I suggest:
islam 101 at jihadwatch.org

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

Dorrie:

I have a biz associate who is a Messianic Jew.

We have many friendly discussions about the ME and islam and are on the same page.
He has never attempted to proselytize as he understands I am secure in my Judaism.
Perhaps you could tone it down?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

Hey, i just repeat stuff from the koran, hadiths, siras……
NOTHING say islam like your TRILOGY.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

It’s hardly a stretch to describe islam in it’s own terms as a demon.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Read it again: we are not disagreeing.

Michelle
Michelle
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

IMO all religion is bull effluent but Islam is an extremely nasty variant of the usually benevolent monotheist kind. Organized religion is simply political man using it for personal gain but killing in the name of his god. Look at the idiot pope and his absolutely stupid, unworldly comments and who thinks islam wants to be friendly. Where did 1400 years of history go? He direly needs to visit the Vatican archives and check up on the track record of Muhammad.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

all religion is bull

Israel: A Light Onto Nations.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

I understand that the messianic movement is growing,even in Israel. I understand that Messianic jews follow some ,or all,of the Jewish traditions. I ,personally,do not see much wrong with that ,although of course Jesus did fulfill the law and St. Paul disagreed with Peter over the same issue;Peter wanted the gentiles to become Jews first then follow Jesus. Paul said that in Christ there is no Jew or Gentile. He also said though that If converts to Christ felt that they should consider what they eat ,for instance,those who don’t should not make a problem of it .What was important that they acted out of love and respect for Christ. How do you feel about these points.? Totally off topic I know but I don’t get the chance to communicate with messianic Jews as a rule.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

I have read it many times in many versions and it is clear He did. Christ did not abolish the law,He did,as you say,fulfill it. When something is fulfilled it is satisfied accomplished.The law is satisfied because it’s purpose is accomplished through Christ.Paul rebuked Peter for trying to make “Gentiles” live like the Jews.Paul also says that we are put right with God through faith in Christ,not by doing as “the Law ” says. He said No one is put right with God by doing what the law requires.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

As I said i don’t intend to argue with you;I don’t think your last comment was necessary,I don’t need educating.I am sorry that you are not obtaining the full benefit of Jesus’ sacrifice for you,you are still placing yourself under the law and not relying on Jesus for your salvation. Follow Christ,you follow the law.He has taken the burden upon Himself. I wish you luck and that you will come into full understanding and fellowship with the Lord. I’m closing the thread.

Michelle
Michelle
8 years ago
Reply to  Hammad Asad

I think that you will find that ex-muslims are especially angry about being lied to by their madrassa teachers and their Imams. How many of your fellow Muslims have actually read(and understood) the Koran, the Hadith and any of the official Muhammad biographies? If they have and cannot manipulate it for personal gain; there would be very few of them . Why do you think that muslim apostates are threatened with death? There would NOT be any Muslims otherwise (recent quote from Egyptian cleric: go check)

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

Pam:
Why do you take down the muzlim world view?
It is important for your readers to see that.

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Because,not to put too fie a point on it,it stinks.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

It is pretty self evident.
Hence, leave it up!

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Yes ,I agree.As i say censorship is a double edged sword.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

The topic that really has no place here is the vast amount of Christian proselytizing of late…

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

I don’t agree with that.As I say everyone should be able to speak.No one has to respond or take any notice and if you want to challenge the Christian view ,fine,go ahead.If you want to tell them to shut up,ok. But no one should be made to shut up.There are obvious exceptions ,incitement to murder or damage,sedition ,you know what the exceptions are but they should be drawn as narrowly as possible.

Bohemianwriter1
Bohemianwriter1
8 years ago

Really? That was news to me.

So you actually fear for your life whenever you encounter a muslim because you think his Quran gives him the right to kill you?

One more for the looniebin.

But you are right!

We should kill all these nazi muslims, conquer their countries in the name of Jesus, and take their oil.

And then we can put up some Torah verses exclaiming that all infidels are enemies of God and must be killed or enslaved.

Let’s see what the Quran actually says:

“Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God’s will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). ( Quran, 15:2-3)”

“Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):……(Quran, 18:29)”

leofwine
leofwine
8 years ago

Yes that is a Meccan “revelation” Most of these semi-sane “revelations” were abrogated. You are either ignorant or in denial or practicing taqiyya.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago
Reply to  leofwine

i choose blatant takiya

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

We should kill all these nazi muslims

I’m with you!!

How Nazism Explains ‘Moderate’ and ‘Radical’ Islam

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/how-nazism-explains-moderate-and-radical-islam/

Bohemianwriter1
Bohemianwriter1
8 years ago
Reply to  Zaba

Checked out an article about Marco Polo.

He somehow made it seem that the Islamic world that he travlled through was somehow more barbaric and less civilized than where he came from.

If that be the case, he would never have been able to travel to China in the first place.

I enjoy taking down internet warriors one ignorant moron at a time.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

The Qur’an:
Qur’an (4:89) – “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

Qur’an (9:11-12) – “But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief – Lo! they have no binding oaths – in order that they may desist.”

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur’an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/012-apostasy.htm

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

Do you want to tell us about abrogation, one of islam’s many, many secrets?

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

And then we can put up some Torah verses exclaiming that all infidels are enemies of God and must be killed or enslaved.

false comparison.
muzlims have lived’ by the koran for 14 centuries,
modeling mohammad all the while.

Zaba
Zaba
8 years ago

what else ya got?

vostok
vostok
8 years ago

Islam is a disgusting reiligion and should be eradicated from the earth. This is what you get when you have sex with your sister and brother..a bunch of retarded animals destined to destroy the world in the name of something useless

OK
OK
7 years ago

God is beyond human understanding , senses and imagination. God is absolute truth. Agnostics believe a God like this. Hindu scriptures also tell God as beyond senses and imagination though the time tested worship of God with forms (as God in true nature is beyond human capabilities to be worshipped) is proven to be effective. However Islamic god will be present sporadically here and there and talk to so called prophets, angels etc thus making him not beyond senses (ear). Allah is not beyond senses and imagination. Also, God is an ocean of compassion, not a sadist who will burn humans eternally in hell for the finite crimes they do. Islamic god is also not beyond space and time as quran says he is “in the heaven” – Quran 67:16 to 67:18

Now a days few Muslim apologists are translating these verses as “over the heaven” or “above the heaven”. This creates another problem that Quran is not a clear unambiguous message of god.

Hell Tyrant
Hell Tyrant
7 years ago

I wish you can convince world leaders how dangerous islam is. But islam is very cunning , the religion is the culture and vice versa. So being politically incorrect about Islam brands you a islamophobe which makes you look like a xenophobe and racist but muslims are not even a race of people.

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