The United States Has Become a Dictatorship of Double Standards

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Excellent piece over at PJ Media.

“The United States Has Become a Dictatorship of Double Standards,” Robert Wargas,  PJ Media, May 6, 2015

Even as I write this, I can feel the Overton Window shifting. Let the record show that when a death squad descended on Pamela Geller’s event in Texas with the aim of killing Geller for speaking freely, the “mainstream” response was to provide the death squad with golden parachutes of sophistry and moral equivalence. It was the finest of East Coast intellectual output.

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I’ve lost count of how many sophistic articles have been published so far, but surely one of the most egregious came from Noah Feldman, JD, PhD, at Bloomberg View. In opening paragraphs so glib they seem to have oozed out of some used car salesman’s Brylcreemed pompadour, Feldman writes:

It’s easy to be distracted by the condemnation of the crime, which should be absolute. No verbal provocation can justify killing.

But it’s also easy to be distracted by the First Amendment.

Why do people write this kind of thing? What compels someone to consider a case of attempted terrorist murder, arising from the “provocation” of cartoons, and then devote all his forensic acumen to saying, essentially, “Hey! Look over there!”

I wrote last week that the enemies of free speech are slowly nudging their target into the identity-politics framework. In this worldview, there are Oppressors and the Oppressed, and the roles are irreversible. It’s all narrative: the interlocking assumptions that determine how people interpret real-world events. The identity-politics framework sees American society (all of Western civilization, in fact) as a structure, a machine expertly tuned to produce benefits only for the Oppressor. Some people always win; some always lose. Thus Geller is the real aggressor, even when she’s being shot at. The death squad was merely reacting to overwhelming forces within the structure.

This is the basic logic behind most of our contemporary debate, such as it is, on everything from free speech to immigration to race riots to voter ID laws. There are hard and soft versions of it. Some people come right out and say that the Oppressed should use violence against their Oppressors. This group is often very theoretical, using the unwieldy concepts and jargon they learned in their cultural studies courses. You see them at places like (of course) Salon and The Nation and the post-Peretz New Republic.

Others channel their narrative in a softer, mealy mouthed way, usually with the well practiced preamble “I believe in X, but…,” X being some bedrock value of our country. This latter group is less explicit about their assumptions, probably because they don’t know they have them. You’ll find these people at the more “mainstream” media outlets.

Whether they’re “hards” or “softs”—we could use the old Thatcherite terminology of “wets” and “dries” if you want—the people who argue this way have particular beliefs about power in our country. This is why charging them with hypocrisy never works. After incidents like the Geller event, many conservatives go straight to work documenting the double standard. We’re not allowed to draw Mohammed, the alleged prophet of Islam, but others are allowed to depict Jesus submerged in urine. These articles are necessary, but you’ll have noticed they don’t move the apologist crowd even one inch.

There’s a reason for this. In the identity-politics framework, double standards are necessary and justified. They are a way of balancing the unequal power distribution in the United States. (Trust me that I hate writing sentences with phrases like that.) Just as affirmative action is supposed to correct structural injustice in the economy, gagging people is necessary to stop the “oppression” of designated victim groups. Think of the new obsession with “trigger warnings” and “safe places” on university campuses. This crowd sees free speech as one more tool of power in the Oppressor’s handy box.

Something else is going on here, however, regarding Geller’s treatment in the media.
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bobbyhead1
bobbyhead1
8 years ago

Our Navy seal man, Bob O’Neil, who killed the master mind of 9-11, Usama Bin Laden, that said that this in your face Art Contest should never have been done. He said there is no reason to insult, purposely, Muslims. That said from as patriot of an American as you can get from the Naval Seal man who shot that stinking terrorist.

farflung
farflung
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

Give it a rest. The guy shot someone, not an authority. Ms Geller did more for free speech than anyone. She has set the 1st amendment discussion. Ms Pam at the expense of her own life did this for a lot of you “NUMBNUTS WITH YOUR COWERING FEAR.

General Quarters
General Quarters
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

Then he is not upholding his oath to the Constitution of the United States or to the American People.

And what about ol’ Osama Bin Laden? We all remember the forged photos of his so-called dead body–floated by the intelligence community for public consumption and to “puff” Obama.

Also the forged photo of Obama in the “situation room” purportedly watching the “take down.” Looked like a little squirrel. Remember?

It wasn’t Osama and you and Bob know it.

I really am surprised that so many people are so entirely unfamiliar with the book “If You Give A Mouse A Cookie.” That’s what this boils down to.

Shame on you and Bob for rewarding these Jihadi infantile Neanderthal bullies by providing them cover. You’ve betrayed your country by giving them quarter. You betrayed all Special Forces officers still loyal to the United States of America, its Constitution and Amendments, and its citizens who are exercising their freedom to discuss, via political speech of cartooning, a dangerous and backwards ideology of conquest, subjugation, and bloodshed.

Why don’t you go and have a love fest with Berghdal or your Jihadi boyfriends. You’ll fit right in, loser.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

To bad he doesn’t shoot the guy in the Refugee Resettlement Program responsible for bringing 3rd world savage moslems to the US at taxpayer expense & putting them on welfare like the Boston marathon moslems and the Paki family one of Geller’s shooters came from, or the relatives of the first US Ebola patient. Dearborn MI has so many Somali moslems it has become part of the 3rd world. New England also has problems with Somali moslems raping little white girls. See Refugee Resettlement Watch for details.

The Greatest Freedom
The Greatest Freedom
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

So what..there was a long line to shoot that coward..gives no authority

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

look, bobbyhead and O’Neill, please see context. Yes, Muslims have these rules about blasphemy and all sorts of values and their feelings get hurt, I get that.

But we, as in meaningful democratic idealists, we have our rules and values too. Our feelings get hurt too.

And our ideology needs a FAIR competition with Islam and is NOT getting that when a part of the Muslims succeed with intimidation.

Resulting in all other religions and our ideology getting negative reactions all the time, unhindered, and negative reactions to Islam are very probably much withheld.

we have to break this unfair competition between religions/ ideologies.

and if we are not allowed to “react as negatively to Islam” as all other religions are “reacted negatively to”,

why then some other ideologies should maybe conclude intimidation works! And start some of their own!

That we do not want, but isn’t that a logical sequence; when one group’s intimidation works, others copying that same strategy. And that would cause more bloodshet, not less.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

Do you have any reference for that claim? I have searched the internet for it and cannot find any corroborating evidence for it whatsoever. I would appreciate your cooperation in verifying what you claim, otherwise I am forced to assume that you made it up.

bobbyhead1
bobbyhead1
8 years ago
Reply to  Petrucio14

It was one of the videos on FoxNews; look it on up their site.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago
Reply to  bobbyhead1

Well, that was really specific. I believe every word now! /sarc

Just checked Fox. No evidence you are telling the truth. Unless you can come up with something specific, you pulled that info out of a dark and smelly place. I’m not going there.

bobbyhead1
bobbyhead1
8 years ago
Reply to  Petrucio14

Well I learned something here. When I view the view, copy and paste the link and put it in, Johnny-on-the-spot so no one can doubt me. Now your forcing me to look it up at fox.

Darn you! OK, you have a legit complaint.

bobbyhead1
bobbyhead1
8 years ago
Reply to  Petrucio14

Now don’t accuse me, I saw the interview and wrote down what Bob O’Neil said. Now after getting your concern that you can’t find it. I just went on the fox news site and now (2 days later) I can’t find it either. They do that sometimes with their videos. They don’t keep videos too long. I’ll keep looking and I’m ticked off that it’s gone.

Philip
Philip
8 years ago

Running circles around the enemedia and looking smoking hot while doing it!
Brava! Kudos! and Cheers!

gfmucci
gfmucci
8 years ago

Here is my defense of Geller and free speech. And as an added bonus, my shock at the response of many conservative commentators. http://www.muccings.blogspot.com/2015/05/muhammad-cartoons-and-ignorant-among-us.html

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  gfmucci

Those who criticize the few brave souls on the front line confronting and highlighting the threat of Islam to our culture fail to realize that Islamic ideology declares that many freedoms we take for granted insult Islam. And those who violate any of these Islamic taboos must be punished. What’s going to be the next thing we should not “insult” under penalty of death? Check out Islamic Sharia – there are dozens.

That seems to be the crux of the issue, what you said there. These cartoons need to be seen in the larger context of islam’s pattern of abuse toward the innate rights of others. Pam is always asked why she has to “taunt” these muslims, but she’s not. They are taunting us with their absurd and violent demands on our liberties. If we give in on the cartoon issue then we abandon the principle underpinnings of our free society. They own us.

We need to start an annual, “Pi$$ off Islam Day,” where every year we find a new way to reassert our right to be free. If they can oppress, kill, and torture, for a pagan god, then we can certainly do that much.

gfmucci
gfmucci
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I’m doing it daily.

Richard
Richard
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

I thought Ann Barnhardt using slices of bacon, yummy yummy bacon, as bookmarks in a Koran was a pretty delicious expression of “Piss if Islam”.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  Richard

I luv Ann, haven’t watched her for a while. Thanks for reminding me. She’s one tough cookie.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Youtube took down my Gay Gun Owner Burns Koran With Bacon in it video.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

Those dirty no-goods. I’ve had so many problems with those google dhimmis. I quit google for a year because they were erasing my religious comments and pics on google+. Then I wrote a public letter condemning their actions, and they deleted that too! This is how it happens, we’re seeing in real-time how a religious tyranny can take over. We need to double-triple our efforts to beat these foul beasts at their own game. If these fascists want a fight they’re going to get one.

Don’t give up. They can’t be everywhere at once. We’ll tear them down with our persistence.

Guest
Guest
8 years ago

Another element of double-standards is the ‘moral-equivalence’ argument.

People who use the ‘moral equivalence argument’ to compare Islam with other religions need to examine their own subconscious psychological motives. They are not only attempting to delude others, but are in deep denial and trying to delude themselves.

The conscious part of the argument takes the form “Christians have committed atrocities such as the McVeigh and Breivik attacks, so Christianity is just the same as Islam. Therefore Islam poses no special threat.”

The fallacies are obvious: Christian acts of terrorism are rare and infrequent; they are rejected by the majority of followers of the religion, go against the core teachings of Jesus, and are committed by a few isolated loonies. In contrast, Islamic acts of terrorism are commonplace, are encouraged by the Koran and are supported, if not actually carried out, by a substantial proportion of Muslims.

The unconscious and self-deluding part of the moral-equivalence argument is the refusal to face the fact that Islam is an intrisically violent totalitarian ideology that has infiltrated our civilization, and is bent on our conversion, subjugation or elimination. To acknowlege this would be deeply disturbing and well outside the comfort zone of most people (remember the popular enthusiasm for appeasement of Hitler and ‘Peace in Our Time’?) . So we reassure ourselves, by the moral equivalence argument, that Islam is just like other religions.

It’s far easier to stay in denial and regard Islam as being no more threat to our lives and culture than the Quakers or Lubavitcher Hasidim. That way we don’t have to worry about the looming global clash of civizations, or think about the unpleasant courses of action that may be necessary to reduce the threat. We can leave that for our children to sort out.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I don’t remember McVeigh or Breivik ever stating they had killed anyone in the name of Christianity…

Richard
Richard
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Please keep in mind that McVeigh was not a Christian and that there was an Iraqi co-conspirator in the OKC bombing.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Breivik & McVeigh didn’t do it in jesus’s name, but even if they did its good news. The Copenhagen attack on cartoonists had the moslems firing off over 200 rounds without hitting their main target, they killed one and injured 3. Breivik only needed 121 rounds to kill 77. Breivik targeted the people holding the door open for parasites to come in. McVeigh killed less kids than the ATF did at WACO and because of him there are NO MORE FREE WACOs which is why Holder wet his pants and fled the Bundy ranch when an open letter reminded him of it.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Good riddance Charlie Hebo
Je Suis Pamela Geller

Hebo fired a man for making a jewish cartoon but they always denigrated x-tians and Western civilization. Geller has been against jihad for years. She was behind the San Fran bus ads that showed how gays are treated in moslem nations like the ones HiLIARy took $40million from as Sect of state.

Leftists prefer to be victims that’s why the celebrated Hebo being killed as a victim.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2015/05/05/tammy-bruce-explains-why-jesuisgarland-is-not-a-trending-hashtag/

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

Would Pamela Geller be OK with shirts that had that message or maybe putting up ones herself for sale?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

There is a vast difference between mockery and outright dehumanization, something Gellar and her devout followers are intent on ignoring.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Dehumanization, would that be kinda like the holy books of izlam denigrate Jews?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

It would be far more like the actions of your kind who deny the freedom of religion of those who practice different faiths than yours.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

Oh, You mean like the Muslims killing Christians because of their religion?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

How about the Christians killing Muslims because of their religion? How about the Christians HERE in the United States who regularly use their votes to oppress the rights of non-Christians? Cowards like you never want to talk about that.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

Ha ha, Coward like I asked above, did you serve? Name calling that’s all you intellectually bankrupt trolls can do!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Yes, I call you a coward because you don’t abide by the standards of rational adult debate. You constantly deflect and run away from uncomfortable questions when you are challenged, thinking if you were to be exposed you would have to give up what you yourself know to be a philosophy of lies.

I answer your questions, as I have on this board. You, brave man who needs a gun to feel protected, don’t have the intellectual balls to answer mine. Fascists behave in exactly the same manner no matter what ideology they embrace.

You are a disgrace to your service and your uniform.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

Yea,coming from someone who goes on websites and calling people cowards because they don’t agree with your ideology, your the disgrace, you’re a troll! Hopefully the day will come when you need a Leo(like me) or someone in the Military to protect your azz, and were not there to do it, so GFYS!!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

I will never need you for protection, and servicemen like you who see themselves as literally ABOVE civilians are a disgrace to the Constitution which you took an OATH to protect.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

I’m not above anyone and no where in my post do I make that statement, like I said your a troll, and probably an Atheist, you have an agenda, like all you trolls do, destroy Christianity at all costs, everything Islam does from the be heading’s to burning people alive is OK with you, but a Christian don’t want to make a wedding cake, you people are all over it, but how about the poor homosexuals being murdered everyday by your friends the Muslims? That’s also OK with you! And yes some day maybe soon, you may need someone in uniform (Leo or Military) to protect your azz, but remember were cowards! I can guarantee because my job is to to recognize people, that you’re the coward, So keep being a sheep and maybe someday you will meet one of those Muslim friends of yours and you will feel what its like to be terrified!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

I’m not an atheist, but nice to hear you think so. If you actually talked to me as opposed to making brash assumptions about my identity and beliefs without evidence, we could actually make some progress. Unfortunately, it is clear people like yourself are far more intent on holding onto their prejudice against others with different beliefs and identities than coming to a common understanding.

Lastly, I never insulted people in uniform. I denigrate people in uniform who seek to degrade civilians for not having served, in other words, attempting to elevate yourself as automatically a SUPERIOR human being for having been in the military. This is a flagrant insult to your OATH as a serviceman as well as my right to be a civilian in the first place.

What makes you a coward is your unwillingness to engage in equal debate, and for that, you deserve to be shamed.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago

Talk to us BOBTroll:

Islam &:

FGM
Persecution of minorities
Murder of Christians/Yazidis
Sex Slaves
Abuse of children
Crimes committed by Mohammed

C’mon. We KNOW you can do it if you try REAL hard…

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

http://www.hindustantimes.com/images/2015/4/c68df06f-9991-4b7d-8f80-6737a689d3a6mediumres.jpg

I’m a proud Christian you SICK SOB Atheist, I care about my Country and the atrocities being done by your Muslim friends around the world, I just hope some day you POS will feel the terror that I’ve seen while I was over there, you filthy troll, and by the way tell your alternate account JoseyWales to go F-himself, only POS like you, would steel valor!!!! Filthy maggot troll! Sorry I have a job at night protecting pieces of crap like you,some people have to work!

James
James
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

We few, we happy few, We Band of Brothers, For he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, this day shall gentle his condition;

And gentlemen in England now a-bed shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhood’s cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day. ” William Shakespeare’s, King Henry V
Act IV, Scene III

Shameful: Isn’t it? Vets attacking vets! Is that what’s going on here? What, Lifers versus Shortimers? What is this? Don’t know about the civvies here…but the “more we all sweat (over threats to our liberty) in peace, the less we bleed in war!”

I am dismayed that we see here civilians (potential citizen-warriors) cutting down those who served…and, in the many decades since my own experiences in Vietnam, being in the military or a being a lifer in the military may or may not give one added wisdom…but it sure sucks to see so many Americans ignore the Roman axiom, “Let those who wish for Peace Prepare for War,” which is dead-on if any republic is to survive barbarism, and thrive. Ladies and gentlemen, WE ARE AT WAR!
Also this: (Which Pamela Geller and company obviously recognizes)…”Freedom of Speech is not free.”

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

And still, you don’t answer my questions, thereby proving who is the coward here

Zvi
Zvi
8 years ago

You said: “You constantly deflect and run away from uncomfortable questions when you are challenged” Question: Are you a muslim? or a Christian?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Zvi

I am neither.

Fact remains, 426 HemiCuda, coward that he is attempting to elevate the military over civilians, despite this being an utter BETRAYAL of his oath, has still not answered my questions.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

The oath is for enemies foreign & domestic. A coward like you wouldn’t even be willing to call the cops if you got beat up by a gay guy. I have been attacked while unarmed by 5 blacks back when I believed in equality and didn’t look around for packs of blacks before using an ATM, but I kept my wallet and only had a black eye. In fact they complained to the cops that I fought dirty.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Ask away, you get plenty of answers, you are at the center of our attention. Thanks for your questions.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

I got zero answers from the subject at question, namely 426 HemiCuda, and that is why I call him a coward. He doesn’t have the balls to participate in an actual debate.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Bob is a Moslem operative on the boards. What he illustrates is their typical complete inability to think logically. They evade questions because they can’t think. Really. He will NEVER talk about problems/facts/crimes coming from Islam because he’s sent here to denigrate Pamela Geller and likeminded normal people.

Talk to us MohammedBOB about crimes against human beings Mohammed committed. Start with Aisha.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Where are these dog bites man that you speak of? The only instances in history have been after people understand Taqiyya and realize because of it nits make lice.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

Christians in America exert a far more adverse impact on the protection of rights in America than any American you can name

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

You sound like the crybaby Apple CEO over the pizza place that wouldn’t serve his gay wedding, while he gleefully does business in nations that execute gays.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

You sound like a crybaby Christian who whines about Christians IN AMERICA restricting public accommodations while gleefully donating to the Family Research Council supporting laws condemning gays to DEATH.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Gaypatriot.net has taken HilLIARy to task for accepting $40+ million from nations that execute gays. Its not STR8 White Church Going Christians that attack gays, but when the San Fransisco Gate published the demographics of gay bashings & other crimes many queens like you cried out it was racist to report blacks committing the majority of crimes when they are only 5% of San Frans population.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

You are a fool and a liar. However, the 1st amendment protects even your reckless speech. Nobody is planning to kill you merely because you are a fool. Not even the evil Christians you seem to fear so much.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

If you want we can admit that even our meaningful democratic system has faults, and suggest ways to improve it.

However, a part of Islam, or it’s interpretations, or a part of it’s followers definitely wants to get RID of the whole democratic system to replace, at least in part, with totalitarian law.

Elton Simpson, the attacker, is quoted as saying; Muslims reject all Man-made laws, like democratic laws, they prefer Allah’s laws! And he would have preferred “Allahs law” if the 2 would have contradicted each other, don’t you think?

These Christians operate within the democratic system and do not pose any threat to it.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

You “can” admit. You just choose not to.

The issue at hand is you don’t focus on a “part of Islam”. You castigate and condemn the whole summarily, and for those who are not fitting of your category of “evil mooslims” [sic], you still denigrate their identity as naive, ignorant or complicit in some regard. There are literally zero conditions I can identify from your comments where you could simply respect a Muslim for being Muslim.

What you are doing is akin to judging all Christians by the actions of Scott Roeder, the Family Research Council or the Lord’s Resistance Army, collective guilt by vague association regardless if they outwardly embrace the crimes or not. That is deplorable, amoral and against the equal protection of the rights and liberties of all in this country.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Again, part of us here, do have an ideology of our own, that we see not only threathened, but yes, competing with us. We are primarily defending. You seem to think we are the agressors, but we think a part of the Muslims are. Moreover a part of the Muslims definitely interprets parts of Quran-Hadiths-Sira in an anti-democratic way.

It is in this context that many of us speak. there is no problem at all with choosing to admit the meaningful democratic has faults, but still is the best ideology for us. We can explain it in detail too.

Now, if Muslims can say “Democracy is Halal” and Muslims can say; We side with the good Democratic kuffars, against the totalitarian Muslims, we would be satisfied.

Now? We run the risk of having a very big part of all 1,57 billion muslims turning against us, our ideology. It is not about blaming Muslims, it is about “fearing” them, with us.

Muslims should address that “fear”, not that bogus claim we hate them, tar all of them with the same brush, out of some kind of malice you attach to our motives, which largely isn’t there.

as you say, I hope this get;s us somewhere.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Oh, but the only complainers or supposed victims are Muslims! And why? True meaningful democratic idealists sense an intolerant danger from the religion of Islam and parts of the Muslims. It gets explained all the time.

And allowing intolerant ideologies to grow unchecked, that is suicidal and gross negligence of duty.

Your point is that there is no danger from Islam OK, but you do not have a point that freedom of religion is thwarted unduly.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Whoever said “the only victims”? Not me.

The problem is you are engaged in castigating collective guilt upon an entire community based on the prejudice you personally hold against their group identity, not based on individual actions or crimes. It is perfectly obvious this represents a clear and present danger to the protection of the rights of ALL Muslims collectively, since you will cast them as guilty solely by virtue of being Muslim. You have committed yourself to viewing Islam itself as being a thoughtcrime.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Not guilty! But undeclared! Let us agree that choosing a religion, choosing loyalty to either the full democratic system of an alternative totalitarian system, even if only in part, these are choices!!! Wrong choices, well, make people, well, guilty of hostility! Aiding and abetting totalitarian enemies.

We have an ideology and system to defend, OK. Just denying there is danger is not enough. We need declared allegiance. in the face of danger it is suicidal for us to wait for all to be proven guilty before we react.

Muslims and their allies, like you, should endeavour to give us more than just professions of innocence.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Gee, don’t the holy books of pi$$lam cast collective guilt on all Jews for all time? What about the ahadith that call for the extermination of Jews, do you have any problems w/that?

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago

Talk about Moslem hatred of Jews, MohammedBOB the Troll. Tell us all about it. This video will help you get started:

Islam is Nazism with a God

http://youtu.be/-5RjyxVEMVo

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Gumby

EAB hit the ball out of the park w/that video. It’s the best I’ve seen since Fitna.

IslamIsTyranny
IslamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Gee, which states commonly and systematically persecute people of other faiths in the 21st century?

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

Muslims are fee to practice their religion. They are not free to kill those who refuse to be subject to it, no matter how much that religion demands it.

therealvoiceofamerica
therealvoiceofamerica
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

The Jewish Telmud speaks highly of Gentiles, the Virgin Mary and Jesus.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Nothing like a little tu quoque fallacy of argumentation to start off the new day. BTW, Karaite Jews do not subscribe to the Talmud.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

The true face of PC is seen in Rotherham UK where cops/social workers admitted to ignoring 1400+ indigenous white British girls being gang raped by 3rd world savage moslems because they are afraid of being called racist. If cops will do nothing for little white girls what will they do for gays? That is why gays with the rainbow flag marched with the “knot seas” of the EDL protesting Lee Rigby’s beheading in broad daylight.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

Your little fable absolutely did not happen, nor have any homosexuals ever threatened the free rights of anyone here in America, much less abroad.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Which event are you claiming ignorance of? Look at around the 1:20 min mark on the video to see the rainbow flag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ_iXZyoN7k

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

Your “lie” about 1400 rapes being ignored for fear of being racist

EDL would be guaranteed to attack gay rights if they didn’t have their sites on furreigners. White supremacists don’t ever respect the rights of people who aren’t WASPs.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Actually 1400 is all they admitted to the real numbers are over 1700 if you go all the way back to when Nick Griffon was arrested for trying to stop them. It was safer in Churchill’s day to walk down the street gay in London than it is today. Churchill was more tolerant, he was head of the British navy and said all you need to know about the Royal navy is rum sodomy and the lash.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/26/rotherham-sexual-abuse-children

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago

Lots of Moslem rape crimes in the UK and Sweden MohammedBOB. Deal with it, you miserable rape jihad denier. Moslems killing gay men all the time. Wanna talk about it?

BigGaySteve: your contributions are appreciated.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

Perhaps you’d like to research the story of gang rape in Rotherham as published online by the BBC before blithely dismissing it as a fable. Or perhaps you’d rather continue in your ignorance.

Abbot
Abbot
8 years ago

So drawing a cartoon is dehumanization? Wow.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Abbot

No, declaring ALL Muslims to be inherently subhuman by virtue of their religious identity is dehumanization. There is a distinct difference.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

We NEVER declared any, let alone ALL Muslims SUBHUMAN! How could we?! Islam is not a race, we consider their genes perfectly in order, on the whole, on average. It is about their choice of religion and societal system, Stupid!

We do consider the full democratic system superior to any other system. And the Muslims? What societal system do they prefer? At least a part a totalitarian one.

And the rest: ONLY declares itself innocent, but not much pro-democratic, anti-totalitarian! Neutral at best. But under our pressure, perhaps there will be “democratic Muslims” in future? Saying: Democracy is halal”

See that is what we might well aim for; influencing Muslims to choose the full democratic system. There you have our real motive.

And make no mistake; if we can convert Muslims to our meaningful democratic ideology we would like that more, just as the opposite is true. But we only want it in a fair democratic competition.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Gee isn’t how the kafur is portrayed in the Quran (i.e. as sub-human)?

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

Who has ever done that? Nice straw man argument.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”There is a vast difference between mockery and outright dehumanization,”//

Noooo, why, what then? please explain; where is the line you draw? What mockery and criticism and denigration is legitimate in your eyes?

It is only a “negative VERBAL non-violent reaction” of her. To a religion, to a part of it’s followers.

And if the president and MANY other Westerners counteract with prohumanization of Muslims too. But then that is not enough for you? You have to discourage anything but positive reactions or silence in response to Islam and Muslims?

And all the time She get’s the same “dehumanizations” and Jews, Americans, Kuffars, in Islamic countries, get them too, from at least SOME Muslims.

Again, protest against all “dehumanization” or against none, allow all or none.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

Joeseph Goebbels’ dehumanization of the Jews as subhuman rats who didn’t deserve to live was also simple “negative verbal non-violent reaction”. It also contributed significantly to the willingness of 1930s Germany to embrace the subjugation of the Jewish people across MANY nations by virtue of inculcating in the populace a blind hatred of anyone simply by virtue of their religious identity.

Pamela Gellar is engaged in the same, and even courts her supporters as well as others to embrace the stripping of rights of her targets. She orchestrated protests against the building of a mosque on private property. The AFDI event which was attacked featured Geert Wilders who proposed BANNING THE QURAN in the Netherlands, about as explicit an assault on freedom of religion as it gets. Lord only knows how far her followers would be willing to go to engage in the clash of civilizations they drool over the chance of establishing, but I don’t put anything past them, including indiscriminate violence against Muslims. I have seen far too many times on her pages where her readers openly advocate for restricting the rights of Muslims, not by virtue of any crime a Muslim has committed, but solely on the basis of their prejudice against Muslims in general.

There is a vast degree of difference between “prohumanization” (a term which doesn’t exist) and dehumanization, the former representing no threat to anyone’s rights and liberty, the latter unfortunately possessing the opposite characteristics. Do not EVER pretend they are on the same plane, as if MLK and the KKK are simply two sides to the same coin. You aren’t so stupid or mendacious to recognize there is a clear difference.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Thanks, let me assure you a government like that of Goebbels is what Pamela, followers and I hate as much as you.
The difference we bring to your notice is that we aim for total democracy and none of us aims for hitler-like dictatorship and censorship. So all the mentioned concerns are not relevant. you are paranoid. What do you fear? A coup d’etat? By rightwingers? A majority of anti-democratic people? And you admonish us of “phobia’s, unfounded fears”?

Because the censorship is nowhere to be found with us. So whereas the Hitlerregime did not “prohumanize” or allow any of it. Obama-administration does do that and with them many more Westerners. America allows almost all opposition, forbids or intimidates almost none.

In accordance with our ideology. So our ideology is in no way a threat to anybodies’ rights. We defend human rights, equal rights, like those of women, non-Muslims. That IS our very ideology!

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

//”Geert Wilders who proposed BANNING THE QURAN in the Netherlands, about as explicit an assault on freedom of religion as it gets”//

OK, he shouldn’t have, but he pointed out the anti-democratic nature of the Quran, it’s own hatred against Kuffars, he compared it with Mein Kampf. And Bill Warner has indeed told us how negative the Quran really is. Geert Wilders was in defensive mode when he proposed that. defending his own beloved culture/ ideology.

Again, we cannot be tolerant to the intolerant, it is suicidal, gross negligence of duty.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

Joeseph Goebbels’ dehumanization of the Jews as subhuman rats who didn’t deserve to live was also simple “negative verbal non-violent reaction

If that’s not the fallacy of hyperbole then I don’t know what is. So cartoons of an historical figure is up there with nazi genocide and hate propaganda? Aren’t you overdoing it a bit?

It is Islam that is doing the dehumanizing, with its head-cutting, conquering, and oppressing, for their barbaric sharia. It is their brutal religious absolutism that denies people their fundamental human rights, and that’s far more dehumanizing than cartoons of a murderer/pedophile/torturer. So even if we admit the falsehood that Pam was baiting muslims, she’s justified in her actions. Because she’s making a legal and moral stand against an ideology and people that are committing heinous crimes for ignorant and superstitious reasons.

You really are fighting a lost cause here. Islam does not have the right to religious intimidation. Our religious freedoms are enshrined in the world’s most sacred document of human rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Freedom of religion and conscience is considered inviolable:

Art. 18– Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Art. 19–Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

And this would clearly encompass the right to refuse religion, or to express ones thoughts on religion, including cartoons. For sane people, religious intimidation and murder garners no respect in the debate for human rights. These rights were to be held sacred, and not to be abridged by murderous thugs who kill for pagan gods. This is a no-brainer.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

All I say is: Our ideology hates and lacks almost all censorship. America does not engage in almost any censorship. This is confirmed by sites of journalist and freedom of speech.That allows much support and praise for Muslims too.

And balancing protests should governments go to far.

Remember we are FOR the full democratic system, never heard anyone here advocate a dictatorship. But plenty of Muslims are on record who do and did advocate and practice dictatorship, like in Iran.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Funny how you mention Goebbel’s dehumanization of Jews without mentioning the rabid Jew hate that is part and parcel of the izlamic faith. Mein Kampf is still a popular book in places like Turkey. Funny that huh Abdullah?

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

How ’bout getting ones head cut off for allah, would you find that dehumanizing? You have inverted the morality here, where those who are willing to murder for religion are superior to those who peaceably protest that crime with cartoons. You have turned those who exercise their right to free expression into the victimizer, and those that kill them the victim. We aren’t insulting or dehumanizing them, they are dehumanizing us by threatening to kill us for reasons that are immoral, unjust, illegal, and frankly, ridiculously childish.

This isn’t just about cartoons for us. This issue is an embodiment of our right to be free. Banning cartoons may seem like a small concession to a barbarian ape, but to us it represents the moral and intellectual cornerstone on which our entire system is built. If we let muslims rob us of this, they rob us of our essential character and identity as a free nation. We’re not going to let that happen.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago

MohammedBOB–
No one is dehumanizing Moslems you pea brain–least of all Pamela Gelker or those who fight jihad insanity. Now go collect your paycheck for contributing NOTHING, and take the rest of the day off.

Speak to us about the dehumanizing crimes Mohammed committed and bragged about before you go, okay?

Smellfungus
Smellfungus
8 years ago

On the contrary, Muslims destroy non-Muslim holy sites and they build mosques on top of the ruins of churches and great temples. Their supremacist views inspire mockery, vilification and dehumanization of everyone else on the planet which then leads to mass murder. Pamela Geller and her devout followers just want people like you who don’t already know that to realize it… And she’s as brave a free speech warrior as there has ever been. If you don’t get what’s she’s doing it’s because you don’t want to.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

Perhaps you’d like to explain that. I reject that mocking an eminently mockable religion is dehumanizing. Islam is dehumanizing in that it demands the subjugation of the human spirit to its cruel sharia dictates.

Lanyard
Lanyard
8 years ago

This author is clearly pointing out that the false ideological structuring of “oppressors” and “oppressed” ends in a cultural consensus and blanket justification of the jihadi push, the Ferguson, Oakland, and Baltimore destruction, the furtherance of the power of Leftist control, the importing of hundreds of thousands of “oppressed” immigrant voters for the Left, and finally, the kind of mentality evidenced in the clips below. No doubt this newest death cult is being funded by the oldest death cult–never a mention of Islam by these bastards:

The most hateful group in America (Pts. 1 & 2)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BLb3o65q0vk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0hPcuw9fYAw

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago
Reply to  Lanyard
The Greatest Freedom
The Greatest Freedom
8 years ago

When the Fatwas hit the fan..and gayliberals start to squeak.. Pamela is there to save us..Thank God for a hell of a woman..

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago

As is so, so typical, Pamela Gellar dishonestly ignores every condemnation of the crime itself, and instead DEMANDS people not only affirm her right to offensive speech but embrace, by DEMAND, not by free will, that they celebrate the content of her speech. I will not comply, and anyone else who condemns my free right to a negative opinion of her views and efforts is perpetrating exactly the kind of “dictatorship” against freedom of expression they so self-righteously claim to be against. Every last supporter of hers are the true hypocrites here.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Nice strawman argument. lan astaslem!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Is it a straw man when people like yourself claim we are against freedom of speech by virtue of disagreeing with the content of her speech? Until you state EXPLICITLY I have a right to disagree, I stand by every last word I said.

Lord knows Pamela Gellar would NEVER outwardly confirm people’s right to disagree with her or her ego.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Maybe you would be better off standing in a bucket of porcine excrement.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Way to confirm my point. You don’t accept MY right to free speech by virtue of rejecting my right to disagree.

What has been filled with “porcine excrement” is your head, as well as your soul. May almighty God help you because you are traveling down a path where you are willfully choosing to reject your own inherent humanity.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Oh the humanity. If a Pim Fortuyn gets shot down a Charlie Martel will rise up. We need a Vlad Tepes to protect Europe from the camp of saints attack.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

Way to confirm my point. You don’t accept MY right to free speech by virtue of rejecting my right to disagree.

Nobody is rejecting your right to “disagree.” What we reject is your right to kill us when we exercise our free speech. Muslims’ right to disagree does not include the right to kill us for cartoons. That’s no where near that gray area of moral justification for killing. Why are you defending murderers? Were you abused as a child?

gfmucci
gfmucci
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Jack, we know where Bob Scofflaw stands as a practitioner of Islam. They are the well-practiced grand deceivers and we know all the rest of the crap that they stand for. We wasteth our breath unless we are merely honing our typing or debate skills – or writing to a broader audience. I guess that’s what we do – we are all about educating the broader audience and hope that they, too, are not unreachably inbred.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Of course you have the right to disagree!! Request granted.
Are you now reduced to this kind of spurious accusations that are so easily refuted?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

You may accept such a right. What I am less sure of is whether the rest of Gellar’s followers, much less Gellar herself, accept that right when they accuse me of “attacking free speech” by virtue of my airing said disagreement. Indeed, the clear implied message here seems to me that if you disagree with Gellar you are an enemy of freedom of speech. In other words, Gellar’s cultists wish to restrict MY right to free expression as a means of promoting her message.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

So, it is then her opinion that you are an enemy of free speech. Your feelings get hurt. Nothing else happens. End of story.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

Just for you, I will clarify. If you disagree with Pamela Geller’s position, you are exercising your first amendment rights. No problem. You do so regularly and are mocked for it, but that’s the chance you take. If you seek to silence her through the application of sharia or murder, you most certainly are attacking free speech.

Abbot
Abbot
8 years ago

I like your argument. But what do you think of “the book of Mormons”. Did you see it and had a good laugh? Or is it selective outrage?

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

If she does not mention everything that is not ignoring. otherwise we have quite a relevant of things that YOU ignore!

Oh, she demands now, does she? How? By threathening to kill you if you do not comply? You, who so gladly tell us how little America is threathened by Islam, are you now telling us that SHE tries to force America with anything?

Dictatorship cannot exist without the threat of violence, that is totally ABSENT with Pamela and friends. But it IS present somewhere among Muslims. Who is the hypocrite here?

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Demsci

She demands by slandering anyone who disagrees as an enemy of free speech, and when someone utilizes LIES to attack her opponents, it is crystal clear where she stands on dissent against her views.

Demsci
Demsci
8 years ago

Bob, now you behave like a spoiled child! You are an independent man and you are very capable of dissenting, making up your own mind. Good for you. Pamela let’s you. She has scruples, if only it is because she must, under the democratic system. You don;’t fear her.

But the Hitler-regime and yes. plenty of Islamic potentates could and would break your spirit, with violence to you and your loved ones, if necessary. And you would fear them if you knew, oh yes!

You should compare those kind of violent oppressive tactics with what Pamela Geller does. She treats you and muslims very mild, in comparison. in a perfectly legal way.

You just can’t get over that she HURTS some people FEELINGS, Well the totalitarians would hurt your BODY, man! if they demanded something from you and you didn;t give in.

Crystal Waters
Crystal Waters
8 years ago

Not once has Pamela ever “DEMANDED” people agree with her. She is also fighting for your right to disagree with her. Islam won’t kill you for disagreeing
with her either, so you have taken the safest position, and best position for you. However, the rest of us prefer not to bend over.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Crystal Waters

She is in no way shape or form arguing for my right to disagree with her.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Um, why should she idiot? She has also stated, “I don’t care if you worship a stone, just don’t stone me w/it.” BTW, your zebiba is showing.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago

What crime? Are you referring to the murder that the ‘ISIS lions’ contemplated? I’m pretty sure she has condemned that. Drawing cartoons about someone nobody knows? Other than in sharia, how is that a crime? She isn’t demanding that you or anybody else celebrate her contest, she is asserting her right to hold it, and so are her supporters. We would also support Muslims verbally condemning the contest. The first amendment defends offensive speech. Inoffensive speech needs no defense. I’m offended by your charge of hypocrisy, but the first amendment guarantees you right to make baseless charges, too.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

Thanks to the liberal filth this Country has ceased
to exist, I served 2 tours in Afghanistan and my father served 4 tours in Vietnam my grandfather served in the South Pacific during World War 2, the Country we fought for doesn’t exist anymore, I thank god my father and grandfather aren’t here to see what this Country has become , they would be appalled at how this Country has become such a disgrace, you filthy scumbag liberal filth have finally gotten your way, you destroyed this Country that so many died for in the past

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

The country doesn’t exist any more? P’shaw. I just drove through the country today, made free purchases with sovereign currency of my own free will, and am now as we speak visiting a blog stepped in vehemence against the very existence of another religion, all without punishment, persecution or legal consequence to this expression.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago

Did you serve? I doubt it! In the eyes of many veterans the Country we knew is gone!

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Whether I served or not is wholly irrelevant, but no, I haven’t served. I have great respect for veterans, which includes my dear departed father as well as my grandfather, but veterans who exalt themselves as SUPERIOR, not EQUAL human beings are not respectful of what being an American is all about.

In any case, you haven’t even come close to refuting my points about how the country, the United States of America, still exists despite your obvious contempt for the right of free political conscience allowing people to disagree with your warped perspective.

Abbot
Abbot
8 years ago

Just go to the inner cities you will see.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  Abbot

I have. I LIVE in the city. Anyone who thinks urban cities are impoverished hellholes clearly has never visited Alabama.

Six Cents
Six Cents
8 years ago

There is a big difference between being poor in the country or a small town and the impoverished hellholes that the urban areas of cities have been reduced to starting way back in the early 1960s.

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago

Go ahead and claim you served like Obama in the Chicago Bath Houses. Gay Chicago reporter Keven Du Jan calls him Bath House Barry for renting his bottom out to old white guys.

Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
8 years ago
Reply to  BigGaySteve

“Go ahead and claim you served like Obama in the Chicago Bath Houses”

I don’t even know what this means

Jason Smith
Jason Smith
8 years ago

Let me translate for you:

“I can’t refute your statement/argument therefore I shall hurl a veiled insult. Maybe something that calls into question your sexuality.”

Or something like that…………..

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago

Excellent reply Bob…it’s idiots like HemiCuda that give all the rest of us Vets, the REAL quiet professionals a bad name. He’s probably some poser anyway – or a messhall commando who served butterbeans in two tours down in Dothan, Alabama. Pay geeks like that no mind – they like to expel methane out the same hole they shove cake into.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Just because he doesn’t think that “all is well” in the USA these days like you fellows do? Things have changed significantly here in the past 10 years. You must live a great life not to see it. Seriously. In any case, while you run down this person for stating his beliefs about what is obvious to many, wanna talk to us about some of the problems in Islam?

FGM
Honor Killings
Sharia
Slavery
Fussy Feelings that can’t be “offended”
Death threats against “apostates”
Animal cruelty
Hating Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists

Etc.

That’s what this blog is exploring. Weigh in.

YankeeDoodle
YankeeDoodle
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Sounds like you and Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb are the same?

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

You can’t even give another vet kudos. Shame on you.

Pathfinder0100
Pathfinder0100
8 years ago

You,sir, are totaly ignorant (unlearned)!! And it’s damn sure that you have not been here as long as I have and seen what I’ve seen.

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

You probably served butter beans in some chow hall in Kandahar you crap talking geek – shut your cakehole support puke – you computer commandos make me sick.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

The only computer commando is you! Learn what stolen valor is, Google it!

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Oh I know all about losers like you with your Stolen Valor – you pathetic turd-bird..and it’s usually the loudmouths like you who are first to be outed – I did notice not once have you denied being a support puke, which of course is the first indicator of a keyboard puss.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Go home to your beautiful life JW. Unless you want to start discussing what to do about Moslem Brotherhood in the White House, okay? I’m sure you can find something useful to do besides coming here and attacking people for saying what sucks about Progressives.go help the guys on the border defend the USA–they need volunteers.

YankeeDoodle
YankeeDoodle
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Damn you’re an obnoxious “human”

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Don’t worry Hemi… “Bob” is our resident JIHADI-LOVING TROLL.

The “tell” = his words “a blog stepped (he meant ‘steeped’) in vehemence against the very existence if of religion” THAT’S THE LIE… then, “all without punishment, persecution or legal consequence to this expression” which he says like its a bad thing. Those very things are THE AIM OF ISLAMIC SHARIA.

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago
Reply to  Gumby

Both of you need to dial back on the caffeine there Gumby – nobody is saying the Muslim scumbuckets should be allowed to even exist, I myself view them as inbred, cult worshipping psychotics worthy of mass sterilization and shipping back to wherever they came from. However, for Hemi or anyone else to say this country has been “destroyed” or is no longer the same nation it was even 10 years ago strikes me as the words of a wimpering, screeching loser who needs to get back on their meds OR check to see if they still have or ever had testicles.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Live in the past if you want to, but I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Enjoy the “good ol’days.” Some of don’t have the luxury–Pamela being one.

BTW–if you want to help people keep up a positive and effective attitude, learn how to be an inspirational leader, instead of an insulting name caller. You sound like a caustic old grump. But maybe you have something that can help, if you can stop bragging and start leading and teaching. Your comment about the Islamic hell these jihadis are trying to bring, and what to do about it if you had your way, was priceless.

Jeff Noble
Jeff Noble
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

I like the way you think sir!!

Judi
Judi
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

I, myself, living in the UK, also feel we have lost our country. The PC. madness that prevails is suffocating the fabric of our once great nation. We are having a General Election tomorrow. If, Gd forbid, labour wins and Ed Milliband becomes the next Prime Minister, he has vowed to make Islamaphobia a crime. Be thankful you still have the First Amendment.

rod
rod
8 years ago
Reply to  Judi

PC is mind control. I remember when I was in school and they started it, I laughed, thinking no one is such a fool to go along with this! Political correctness?! contrasted to truth and justice? NO way! Little did I know……. Now the reprobates are running the show

Judi
Judi
8 years ago
Reply to  rod

Yep. The only way we can express what we feel is through these websites (until they succeed in shutting them down)!!

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KathleenDByram
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

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YankeeDoodle
YankeeDoodle
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Hemicuda was stating his feelings he wasn’t be obnoxious just stating his opinion and also stating how some Vets feel, I have family who are Vets and they feel the same way, then you attack him for NO reason, this tells me that you’re mentally unstable, maybe you should get some help!!

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  Gumby

He’s a muslim.

IslamIsTyranny
IslamIsTyranny
8 years ago

LOL, pi$$lam (like Nazism) is steeped in hatred against Judaism renob. Or do you think we haven’t noticed?

ColonelNeville
ColonelNeville
8 years ago

Piss-off Sharia Complaint Bob, and take your stench of Jew-hating leftism with you.

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Where are you living right now HemiCuda? The country hasn’t been “destroyed” by any stretch..I can still go where I want, when I want, and you can’t? I can still stand on any street corner, hand out flyers with my core principles of political belief – I can join any organization I want to – and I can freely fly the flag of these here United States of America. I own property, own a number of very nice firearms, I vote every time there is an election and I can sit here and type this comment on my personal computer! If it’s so bad, leave- you loser. And by the way, I have 5 generations of Military Service (going back to the Civil War) in my family, to include multiple siblings serving 20 years or more, and myself having served in excess of 20 years, US Army, Special Forces. My son is a proud veteran as is my wife. Glad you weren’t around in the first two years of the War of Independence, you’d be one of those white flag flying pusswads that Washington would have spit on…reach down and feel around, see if you still have a pair, if so, try to remember what they’re there for.

Terri
Terri
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Good points, but have you visited Dearborn or the southern border towns lately? Have you tried handing out flyers in Moslem enclaves in the U.S.? In all your years, until this week, have you seen Islamic jihadi “warriors” all in a bundle, shooting things up because of a political/cartoon show? That’s probably what Hemi is talking about. That and all the political “correctness” IRS scandals, Benghazi, that kind of thing. And the press not standing for the 1st Amendment. And Iran. I’m glad things have turned out well for you, but one look at the Common Core curriculum for K-12 is enough to blow me away. There is an agenda. Certain factions in society are trying to bring us a lot of “change” that isn’t necessary.

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago
Reply to  Terri

And so your response to all that is to wring your hands, bow your head, tsk tsk, and send in some comment on a comment board huh? I know all about common core, I have 3 grandchildren age 8-12, and guess what? I get them the Rush Limbaugh series of historical fiction books about the founding of this nation. We watch classic movies together when they come over and I help them with Sunday school lessons..I also take all three out to learn firearm safety at the shooting range, I take them fishing and my wife and I attend their athletic events whenever we can. Those kids know all about the history of the flag, they love that their parents served, grandparents served etc..What I’m trying to get across is that too many like HemiCuda are out there bitchin and moaning – but doing absolutely NOTHING to engender any sense of optimism for future generations. A famous President once said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself…think hard on that.

Gumby
Gumby
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

You are so arrogant. Goodie gumdrops for how big and bad you are. About Dearborn, Arizona and Texas border towns… try going down there without you company and see what happens. Or send your grandkids for a stroll. Are you nuts that you do t understand the pitical deterioration? Rush talks about it. People aren’t AFRAID–we’re all just sick of it and are wondering what to do about this POS president and the RINOs. Understand?

JoseyWales
JoseyWales
8 years ago
Reply to  Terri

One other point – On my old A-Detachments, we used to have a saying (it’s appropriate regarding your question about my having visited border towns or Dearborn Michigan) – that Motto was this “Yea though we walk through the valley of the shadow of death, we shall fear no evil, for God has made us the BADDEST S.O.B.s in the damned Valley”..

BigGaySteve
BigGaySteve
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

You may have been bad back in Vietnam but I doubt you would strut around in Edger Allen Poe’s neighborhood after dark, much less wear a US flag T shirt in Dearbornistan. The lefts heroes are cop killers. Even if you did fight back you would be turned into a George Zimmerman if you passed the paper bag test.

ObamaBlowsReggie
ObamaBlowsReggie
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

LOL! Straight from Quotes forStaff Sgt. Sykes (Character)
from Jarhead (2005) http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0008558/quotes. Try to find an older Movie quote so you might get away with it, FRAUD!!!!

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  Terri

That is indeed true. And I think about those parents who home-school. They have been portrayed as terrorists by Homeland Security! It is craziness – that is for sure.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

” ceased to exist” When I made that comment I probably went a little overboard, but I’m disgusted in the way this Country is being run and the direction it’s going, by the way I love my Country!!, I do have right to my opinion as do you, but calling names ” loser” “pusswads” those kind of words only shutdown the discussion and really shows how intelligent you really are! I will leave with a high note, have a nice day!

treebird
treebird
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

You did not go overboard, America has been slowly changing to be communist for about one hundred years now. Things are just getting so bad that people are beginning to see it. but everyone has their own boogiemen to explain the problem. Conspiracies, extremists, Dems, Reps, aliens and such, but the problem is that America has become so complacent and accepting of what the government hands out to us (via the media mostly) that we have failed to stop the tyranny. Who knows if it can be stopped at all anymore without extreme actions.

Petrucio14
Petrucio14
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Cuda, you’re not alone. Anyone who has been awake and aware cannot ignore the deterioration in America that the last decade has wrought. It is demoralizing. Nonetheless, I believe in the resilience of the American spirit. We’ve been counted out before and have fought back; I think we will again. The Muslims and the Liberals would have patriotic Americans believe that our best days are behind us. They would tempt us to despair with threats of the inevitability of Muslim domination or perpetual ‘Progressive’ political success. I don’t believe them. I refuse to give in to their dystopian dreams. America and Americans are better than that, and she is worth fighting for.

YankeeDoodle
YankeeDoodle
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

Funny how a person can be anything on the internet, steeling valor much?

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  JoseyWales

I think the point is – while you may have those freedoms now, it’s being eroded away. There is NO doubt about that. Think about it – do you let those grandchildren of yours ride their bikes anywhere they want when they visit? Do their parents? I grew up in the 60’s and early 70’s. I remember in the summer, many times we’d leave after breakfast and not come back until dinner! Just this March, a set of parents in Silver Springs Maryland were found guilty of child neglect for letting their children walk home from a park!!

Do those grandchildren of yours have the luxury of not being ashamed of the lunch they bring to school – if they are even allowed to bring a lunch to school. Heaven forbid – my mother actually packed Oreo’s in our lunch sometimes! And OMG the shame of it – we actually ate bologna sandwiches or pbj’s or liverwurst! It is craziness what is going on these days. The simplest things are being taken away.

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Thank you,you”re most welcome!

rod
rod
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Thank you so much for your service. You are one of the few Americans left. You are right, it is not the same country and I myself don’t recognize it. The fools got “the hope and change” they voted for, and in their ignorance, they think they will still be standing, when this judgement and curse comes to an end.. It is Animal Farm. The More equal pigs are now running the government. It is not liberal vs conservative, it is light against darkness, the children of G-d against the godless. There is an eternal order and the Jewish Messiah will come

Pathfinder0100
Pathfinder0100
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

As an 83 year old disabled Korean War era veteran I can see the truth that you speak. Not sure I would serve today???

426 HemiCuda
426 HemiCuda
8 years ago
Reply to  Pathfinder0100

Thank you for your service!

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  Pathfinder0100

I second what Hemi says – thank you, sir, for your service!

Cate
Cate
8 years ago
Reply to  426 HemiCuda

Truly – thank you for your service. I come from a military family, so it’s VERY important to me. My family’s service goes back to WWI. My Dad was a WWII (he was a fighter pilot) and Korea veteran, who served 30 years in the Air Force. Still very much alive, and still very much with it. And he cannot STAND Islam!! Him and his buddies talk about it, so you know the word is getting out, for sure. And he agrees – this place isn’t what it used to be. He talks about how people really pulled together during WWII. That is not the case any longer. There was a little bit of it right after 9/11, but that is long gone. These days, Americans have a VERY short memory, and as he says, people are lazy and complacent.

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Offer Binshtok
8 years ago

We need to produce millions more like Pamela Geller.
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Offer Binshtok
Offer Binshtok
8 years ago

Thank you Pamela Geller.

Six Cents
Six Cents
8 years ago

“Think of the new obsession with “trigger warnings” and “safe places”…”

Yea, thanks to the officers in Garland and their “Trigger Pulls” on a couple of muzzie goat phuchers, the folks at the event were in a “Safe Place”.

BANG, BANG… Thud, Thud. God bless Gun Control!

Smellfungus
Smellfungus
8 years ago

We need more Pamela Gellers and less cowards in this country. God bless her.

Eric
Eric
8 years ago

Talk to us about jihad BOB.

happytrails5
happytrails5
8 years ago

Pamela you are RIGHT! You were prepared; if those two had not shown up at your event (they didn’t have to), they would have eventually attacked elsewhere. This is INSANE. it makes me think of battered wife syndrome, where the wife thinks it was her fault if her husband beats her because she couldn’t keep him calm.

Mlady_Raka
Mlady_Raka
8 years ago

What people DON’T seem to get is that according to the Koran and the Hadiths, there are only three requirements that need to work in concert for a human to be executed by Islam… 1. You have to be alive…. 2. You have to be a ‘kafir’ or ‘infidel’ (i.e. NON Muslim) 3. You have to refuse to convert to Islam…. They need no other criteria…period. What you do or don’t do, say or don’t say, will just add to the amount of torture and pain you will suffer before you are killed… but to be killed…that’s ALL they require. And for those Dhimmi’s who think that by paying ransom monies to avert death will save their sorry behinds …KNOW THIS… NO CONTRACT (even ransom for life) is legally binding according to Islam, UNLESS it is a contract between two muslims…who happen to believe in the same brand of Islam… You all have been had, BIG time. Find out what the terms “taqqiya”, “kitman” and Hiyal means, and UNDERSTAND who you are dealing with.

And here’s some more information… “Peaceful verses” about Islam was written in the Meccan period of Muhammed’s life, when Islam did not have the upper hand yet… When he came to Medina, and he knew he could win the war against his enemies, the “Medinian” verses were written…you know…those who say “smite them above the neck”…et al. A Muslim NEVER shows his true colors unless he has the upper hand and he knows it…

When you meet a ‘moderate’ Muslim, it is one of two scenarios…

1. Either it is a ‘new convert’ who has no CLUE what is really written in the Koran and the Hadiths, and he/she himself/herself have only been exposed to the Meccan verses and think life is a bed of roses in Islam….or he has been exposed to both Meccan and Medinian verses ….believing he has a choice as to how to express himself according to the verses he reads….

or

2. It is a well seasoned Muslim who is practicing “taqqiya” and/or “kitman” in order to convert the unsuspected victim to Islam, or ‘defend’ this death cult posing as a legitimate religion….

Now here is something ELSE many of you may not have known… In Islam the NEWER verses ALWAYS SUPERCEED the older verses if they address the same topic/subject…. And guess what… the MEDINIAN VERSES ARE THE NEWER VERSION…

People are converted to Islam version 1.0 and then after some time they are ‘upgraded’ to Islam version 3.0….or as we like to term it ….they are ‘radicalized’.

At this point if they refuse to be ‘upgraded’…they are deemed APOSTATE MUSLIMS, and become a target for death by those who accepted the ‘upgrade’…

So to summarize… a Moderate Muslim is either a “Devout Muslim under cover”…or an “Apostate Muslim, and target for any devout Muslim to kill”….take your pick…

but for YHWH’S SAKE…. WAKE UP!!!!

Headhoncho
Headhoncho
8 years ago

Let’s all give this wonderful lady, Pam Geller, alot of money. She seems to be one of the few great patriots left in our country, and the work she does is both effective and necessary!

Maranatha
Maranatha
8 years ago

Next cartoon exhibit should be about politicians–mainly the jihadists in Washington– and the enemedia..
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soliel67
soliel67
8 years ago

You nailed it. God they are such idiots!

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