A Britisher’s View: “Brooklyn College gives Muslim students a free pass to mock invited speaker Pamela Geller”

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“A Britisher’s view.” Check out this excellent oped piece in The Brooklyn Daily on my talk at Brooklyn College:

“A Britisher’s View: Brooklyn College gives Muslim students a free pass to mock invited speaker Pamela Geller,” By Shavana Abruzzo, Brooklyn Daily, May 1, 2015

 Hitler showed us how quickly a civilized nation could fall to fascism, when universities and colleges — self-professed towers of autonomy — were the first to crumble under the Nazis.

American learning institutions are buckling under a similar deviance in similarly alarming times, as Islamo-tyrants crush free speech on campuses across the nation with impunity, including here in Brooklyn.

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Brooklyn College claims to offer an education that “broadens our students’ understanding of the world around them,” but it gave a twisted pass to the Muslim students who plunged guest speaker Pamela Geller’s talk about the growth of radical Islam into the type of bedlam found in hell-hole Muslim nations — complete with chants of “Alhamdulillah” (“Thanks be to Allah”), screams of “Don’t come back!” and the index-finger jihadist salute.

The mostly Muslim audience, which later congratulated itself on Twitter, was a relentless bigot, claims an attendee.

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“When she said something they didn’t like they would start laughing, snickering, commenting, and then cheering and clapping, and walking in and out just to disrupt her,” says business administration senior Gabriella Goldberg. “They didn’t really let her speak and that was their strategy.”

The yobs also mocked Geller’s supporters.

“One middle-aged Azerbaijani woman told the crowd that she escaped genocide by extreme Muslims who killed 8,000 people from her community, but they started jeering her and belittling her struggle,” says Goldberg. “I was in disbelief that this could actually happen in an event hosted by a college.”

Security officers acted like potted plants, refusing to boot the boors. Yet they had no problem ousting Goldberg’s sister, Melanie, and three other Jewish students for allegedly disrupting an anti-Israel rally two years ago, when they tried to ask a question of a pro-Palestinian guest speaker. An independent investigation tossed out the bogus charges against them, and concluded that controversial events at the college should be “better handled in the future.” Evidently to deaf ears.

The Geller incident reeks of a double standard, claims Melanie Goldberg, now studying law at another college.

“The Muslim students are allowed to harass speakers, but pro-Israel students are expelled for no reason whatsoever,” she says.

Brooklyn College refused to comment or take action, in a slap to its own academic values, earning a failing grade for not bouncing the Islamo-riffraff, and for not protecting the free speech that separates civilized societies from barbaric ones.

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the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago

I’m confused, Pamela. You want to quote terrorists and make it look like these quotes represent all Muslims and paste it on buses as your right to free speech, but you want Muslims who are insulted when you make them look like terrorists to sit with their mouths taped shut so you can force feed them your hate speech?

You provoked the speech you got with the speech you gave.

Does that mean others should be expelled for challenging pro-Palestinian speakers. Does it mean their freedoms should have been suppressed. Of course not. But to compare the two as equal is ludicrous because you are taunting Muslims. You have a constant itch for fame at the expense of Muslims.

Sister, look at the Old Testament and how all of it could have been misquoted the same way you do with Quran. Why do you believe Jews and Christians have the ability to read past the violence in their sacred texts, but you believe Muslims thrive on them by insisting every Muslim is a terrorist.

Do you not see the irony? You are willing to ruin lives by perpetuating a false identity and increasing hatred toward Muslims who are not the evil beings you make them out to be. Yet you consider those radical and fundamentalist Muslims who speak ill of Jews as the guilty ones. You are looking in a mirror at your own enemy. You may not shed blood, but you do seek to destroy and hurt with your words. And it is all so you can see yourself on the tv screen, isn’t it?

May the God of your religion and my religion forgive you and forgive me and forgive our enemies. May God guide you and guide me and guide our enemies . May we live in peace. May we seek not to fuel discord, but to build a foundation on which we can live in harmony. May we not allow the extremists to defeat us.

Les Hildebrandt
Les Hildebrandt
8 years ago

Sounds like you were the heckler at the meeting for this bias version you pretend to live under the sham of peace for Islam as there can be only death with Islam shunning out other religions

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago

I think Pamela Geller is unrealistic about how Muslims should treat her when she treats all Muslims like terrorists. She feeds the misconceptions. Her career thrives on sensationalism.

I am not only Muslim, but Unitarian Universalist.

I was UU first then became Sufi.

Islam is the religion that acknowledges all the Prophets to every nation since the beginning of humanity and acknowledges all who come as the renewers of faith after Muhammad. It is extremely inclusive:

Say: “We believe in God, and in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, and in that which has been bestowed upon Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and their descendants, and that which has been vouchsafed to Moses and Jesus, and that which has been vouchsafed to all the [other] prophets by their Sustainer; we make no distinction between any of them, and it is

unto Him that we surrender ourselves”. (2:136)

For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, with the Command, “Serve God, and eschew Evil”: of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably established . So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied the Truth. (16:36)

What does Islam teach about Christianity? Muhammad, pbuh, has protected them for all time:

CHARTER OF PRIVILEGES TO CHRISTIANS

LETTER TO THE MONKS OF ST. CATHERINE MONASTERY

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/charter1.html

I believe anyone who criticizes Christians, Jews or anyone else goes against the din/path of islam/surrender to God.

A funeral passed by the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and he stood up. It was said to him, “It is a Jew.” The Prophet said, “Was he not a soul?”

Source: Sahih Bukhari 1250, Sahih Muslim 961

Islam needs a renewer or renewers. Too many have taken it away from its path of surrender to the Merciful and Compassionate One.

John Marshall
John Marshall
8 years ago

Then why are you not stepping up and condemming what ISIS, and other groups like them, are doing? No, you go after the victims of their attocities and complain that they’re lumping you all together. Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a murderous cult.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  John Marshall

What gave you the idea I’m not condemning ISIL, brother?

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

because you have said nothing about the atrocities of isis or any other Izlamic terror organization like hamas or hizbulah.

It does not matter that you dont believe the izlamic state is izlamic because isis, hamas, hizbulah, boko haram, believe they are izlamic and acting the way the koran orders them to.

you spend all your time trying to vilify her for posting quotes of others instead of telling the source of the quote that they are wrong for chanting “from the river to the sea” as a call to kill all jews.

Instead of pounding your chest that not all mozlems are terrorists, you should first be willing to say some mozlems are terrorist, and the koran is their rulebook. Then ask yourself how can we change that?

Saying that izlamic terrorists are bad is not the same as saying all mozlems are bad. We have to be able to acknowledge that izlamic terrorists get their views from the koran if we want to be able to have an honest discussion about what to do about it.

Betty4440
Betty4440
8 years ago
Reply to  Honest Citizen

he/she needs to have a debate with Robert .

Patrick Roy
Patrick Roy
8 years ago

Oh, please just go. Do your preaching to people who will hear you …. and then cut off your head and make a video.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Why don’t you condemn what muhammad did to the Jews of Khybar Mr. Al Taqiyya?

Steve Brown
Steve Brown
8 years ago

Do you believe that Sharia Law is the best law to govern America ?

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

He is not your brother. He is human and you are Muzzscum.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten says:

“I think Pamela Geller is unrealistic about how Muslims should treat her when she treats all Muslims like terrorists.”

Quote or sources when Pamela says all muslims are terrorists??? where are they.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten says:

“Islam needs a renewer or renewers. Too many have taken it away from its
path of surrender to the Merciful and Compassionate One.”

Islam has plenty of renewers who want to take it to the original sources: salafists, ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Hamas, Hizbollah, Ikhwan, etc,etc,etc

Suki Wuki
Suki Wuki
8 years ago

“Islam is the religion that acknowledges all the Prophets to every nation since the beginning of humanity and acknowledges all who come as the renewers of faith after Muhammad. It is extremely inclusive:”
Really? Please tell us about the prophets that preached Islam to the Australian Aboriginals 40,000 years ago. Or if that is too hard, how about the prophets who preached to the Native Americans about 12,000 years ago. Or any time after that prior to Muhammad.

You’re full of shit.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

You believe in imaginary beings and follow bronze age ideals. The Unitarians are just a bunch of feel good peaceniks who would be first on the execution list when ISIS takes over. Free speech and the right to criticize any religion are the underpinnings of our Enlightenment based freedoms. Get back to us when you regain your sanity.

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

As a Sufi, you are in the minority about what constitutes Islam according to the marjority Islamic Jurists around the world. Your comments and beliefs do not represent even 1% of all Muslims so anything you say carries very little weight with any of us here on this discussion board as to what Muslims believe or are.

BobSmith101
BobSmith101
8 years ago

The first rule of a religion is: God did not send a pedophile as a prophet.

A 54 year Mohammad had sex with his “favorite” wife Aisha, when she was only 9.

Muslims like to ignore and lie about Aisha. They claim that times have changed. But Muslims also tell us Mohammad was the “perfect man for all times”.

Well today is part of “all times”. Today a 54 year old man who has sex with a 9 year old little girl is a pedophile.

That makes Mohammad a pedophile.

Get over it. Islam is a cult. You have been brainwashed. Unless you think it is OK for 54 year old men to screw little 9 year old girls.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  BobSmith101

Historians have taken a look at various events (ie-the age of Asma, Aisha’s sister during certain events that occured) and concluded that Aisha was about ten years older than originally believed. So those “sahih” hadith show once again that they are not “infallible” like some Muslims and even anti-islamics believe.

Having survived sexual abuse myself, this is a matter that is of huge importance to me. Its also important to take into account that the entire world practiced child marriage until about a hundred years ago.
It doesn’t mean it was a good idea for children to be married, but it happened because people didn’t live as long and babies often died so child bearing began at a younger age.

And no, Aisha wasn’t his favorite wife. Khadijah was. Aisha was very jealous of her. And Khadijah was 15 years older than Muhammad.

Keith
Keith
8 years ago

So the Qur’an and the Sunnah lie then?

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

WHy don’t you try repudiating the ahadith publicly in any islamic state lying dirtbag? After all, you’ll have nothing to fear because most musswein are good people right?

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Yeah, let’s see him/her/it start preaching Unitarianism in ISIS land. Let the deportations begin.

BobSmith101
BobSmith101
8 years ago

“Historians have taken a look at various events”? This is false. There are no contemporary historical records of Mohammad other than the supposed Islamic texts. (Written long after his death.)

“Aisha was about ten years older than originally believed.” This is also false. Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151

I do not believe a 19 year old girl played with dolls or had not reached puberty.

“Its also important to take into account that the entire world practiced child marriage until about a hundred years ago. It doesn’t mean it was a good idea for children to be married, but it happened because people didn’t live as long and babies often died so child bearing began at a younger age.”

Again, typical Muslim excuse. Just like I said above. And you totally ignore the inconvenient fact.

Muslims like to ignore and lie about Aisha. They claim that times have changed. But Muslims also tell us Mohammad was the “perfect man for all times”.

Well today is part of “all times”. Today a 54 year old man who has sex with a 9 year old little girl is a pedophile.

That makes Mohammad a pedophile.

Quit making illogical excuses for Mohammad and Islam.

I know it’s a shocker – but Islam is all a fake religion. And it is nothing more than a giant killing cult.

Do your part. Get free. Help other Muslims. Don’t be a chicken.

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

I can see two 14 year old being married as ok since that would excuse your “but it happened because people didn’t live as long and babies often died so child bearing began at a younger age.” comment. However, Muhammad SBUH (Shit be upon him) married Aisha when she was 6 years old and HE was in his mid 50’s. This makes your comment exactly what it is… bullshit.

Neil
Neil
8 years ago

This was a targeted protest designed to prevent Ms Geller from talking. Similar tactics are used by the Left to close down any discussion they do not want to happen.
How can you say she ‘provoked the response with the speech she gave’? She was not allowed to talk, so how did anyone know what she was going to say.
The whole point of free speech is you say your bit and someone puts up their hand and is allowed to voice their opinion. If you think that orchestrated shout downs and interruptions is a valid part of a debate then you are a sorry excuse for an advocate of fair play.
You want to live in peace, yet people who follow just one religion are internationally causing deaths, destruction and rape in the name of that one religion. Don’t you feel that pointing out that fact is justified? Why is that ‘hate speech’?

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Neil

>>You want to live in peace, yet people who follow just one religion are internationally causing deaths, destruction and rape in the name of that one religion. Don’t you feel that pointing out that fact is justified? Why is that ‘hate speech’?<<

Because there are 1.5 billion Muslims. And there is a lot more to Islam than what she wants people to see. Like I said in other comments, we could point out some really ugly things in the Old Testament (and I am not going to do it because the Quran tells me it is one of the Books of my religion so I respect it. I did it once yesterday to show an example, but I won't do it over and over). But the Torah also has things about rape, killing, etc.. I believe that my Jewish brothers and sisters are examples for those Islamic nations which stone adulterers (though stoning or killing adulterers is not in the Quran) and who need to realize that it is not the punishment that matters, but the state of the person's heart. Its time to live out the ideal of Mercy which exists in many verses and hadith and the sunnah. I am like the progressive Jews. I am a progressive Muslim who knows that a progressive faith is possible, a secular society can coexist beautifully with Islam. I know that Muhammad created a pluralism within the community that Islamic nations now treat like a caste system.

I wish Pamela Geller would work with us for reform rather than trying to punch every Muslim in the gut by pasting quotes from terrorists on buses or ruining the MyJihad project. She's a smart woman. She knows what jihad means and she knows that "holy war" is only one meaning. She knows that she is herself engaging in jihad of the pen.

Personally I think she owes the Muslims of the world an apology. For every Muslim who prays to God that they will make the world a better place. For those who are gentle to their wives because of Islam (yes, there are many verses and hadith and sunnah examples about treating wives and women well). They are kind to animals and they plant trees because of the Prophet's teachings. They are kind to all people of all faiths because they listen to the verses on equality of all people. They give in charity because it is expected of Muslims. They volunteer in shelters and soup kitchens because of their religion.

This is the Islam that Pamela Geller either can't see for some reason or just goes out of her way to ignore. She wants Muslims to keep turning the other cheek and take all the slop she throws at them and then she behaves like the Muslims are such beasts when they aren't willing to interact with her. That is all a game.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. She knows she is not so innocent. She is egging Muslims on. She an abuser, a bully. For all her mean comments, we have thousands of kind, compassionate ones she could post on a bus ad instead.

I wish she would have gone to Brooklyn college to apologize to these young people. They have had it pretty hard. The west has treated them like criminals for being Muslim. They have treated them like terrorists. They have been bullied and belittled. They have been told over and over they are not welcome. Pamela Geller has treated them like they are terrorists and told the world their religion is something its not.

She calls it the truth. I could quote the parts of the Torah that say a rapist must marry his victim and all the other nasties. But I respect my Jewish brothers and sisters too much. And I know that God doesn't always command but test through commands.

wakeup333
wakeup333
8 years ago

You’ll get no apology from Pam, me or any of the Americans who have read your cursed book. You’re a disinformation pusher. Stoning not in the Quran? What about Bukhari, who says Muhammad stoned adulterers to death?

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F004.056.829.html

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F008.082.816.html

Aisha was 10 years older than dozens of Hadiths say? Bull! You can find experts to say the earth is 6000 years old. You pick and choose which Hadiths or Quran verses you want, just like jihadis, just like non-Muslims.

But Islam includes ALL the Quran and Hadiths. In a room full of bunnies & rattlesnakes, it doesn’t matter how many bunnies there are. Just one rattlesnake makes EVERY bunny irrelevant. The Quran & Hadiths have thousands of rattlesnakes. Which is why your vanilla definition of jihad is a bald-faced lie. That definition is a bunny. The only definition of jihad that MATTERS is the definition that Muhammad & his killers used, the definition that Bukhari used, the definition that thousands of today’s jihadis use: Holy War Against non-Muslims. To hell with your irrelevant vanilla definition. You lost that fight!

I wish you luck reforming Islam. You and I know that’s impossible. You can’t escape Muhammad saying he was made victorious with terror:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F004.052.220.html

You can’t escape Muhammad saying he will expel all Christians & Jews from Arabia:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2FMuslim%2F019.4366.html

You can’t escape the Quran saying Jews & Christians are the worst creatures, who will burn in hell forever:

http://quran.com/98/6

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  wakeup333

Peace to you.

There is a big difference between Quran and hadith. Quran is considered revelation from God. Hadith are the sayings of Muhammad, pbuh. Typically, if a hadith contradicts what is in Quran it is not allowed, but somehow jurists climb around this one with various excuses. Some even say a goat ate the verse on stoning adulterers!!!!

There are various ideas about the hadith on stoning adulterers. But many many Muslims question why the Prophet would stone anyone since it goes against Quran. Why would the Prophet who received revelation of Quran go against it? This is why some say its authentic. Others say he may have been stoning as the Jews in the area stoned adulterers until he received the verses on lashing adulterers. Others say the hadith are inauthentic.

Your argument with me about Aisha’s age wouldn’t hold up in any American court.

Maybe you have heard of Quranists who do not use any hadiths because they are so problematic. I don’t think you are very familiar with the science of hadith to qualify for yourself as the “bull” announcer. 🙂 Seriously though, even the sahih (those Bukhari supposedly found authentic through “rigorous” testing) can be bogus. Faking a chain of narrators can be done quite easily, for example.

You are right that Islam includes all the Quran, but not all the hadiths. Many hadith are actually considered weak or unsound. Something similar was done with the sayings of Jesus, peace be upon him, by the Westar Institute back in the 90s. They tried to qualify which he may have actually said and which he may have said and which they doubted he said.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

THEN BAN HADITH FIRST !!!!Have you started educating your fellow moslm circle about ur these teachings or it is just for us ??

wakeup333
wakeup333
8 years ago

OK, Here’s my argument for Aisha’s age that WILL hold up in America’s courts. Married at 6, consummated at 9, played on swings with playmates:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fmuslim%2F008.3309.html

Aisha (“a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty”) played with dolls:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F008.073.151.html

Aisha herself doubted Muhammad’s claims to speak with god. She says it’s funny how Allah OKs Muhammad sleeping with whoever he wants:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fmuslim%2F008.3453.html

Aisha made fun of Muhammad walking outdoors with semen stains still on his robe:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F001.004.229.html

Deny them if you want, but they sure sound real. And there are so many of them. (More than I put here.)

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8 years ago
Reply to  wakeup333

I am sick of all the lies about the Prophet consummating his marriage to Aisha at age nine. He did not PENETRATE her till age nine but certainly violated her in all kinds of putrid ways long before this as the traditions of the ‘prophet’ and Islamic law make clear. The Ayatollah Khomeini allows a man to ‘pleasure himself’ with an infant to which he is betrothed.

wakeup333
wakeup333
8 years ago

No argument. “Married at 6” is typical Muslim whitewash for male does whatever he wants, 6-year-old female be damned. Muhammad described the rape of Safiya the same way: after killing much of her tribe & torturing & killing her husband Kinana, he “married” his widow & did the nasty the same night.

Your Friend Clem
Your Friend Clem
8 years ago
Reply to  wakeup333

Allah ALWAYS let Mo do exactly whatever he wanted to/with whomever and whenever his little twisted heart desired.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

the reason hadiths are needed is that without them quran makes no sense/leave important details. Why would an ever-knowing God produce such an incomplete manual for life [quran] which requires hadith?

Patrick Roy
Patrick Roy
8 years ago

Please go to Syria or Yemen. I’ll pay for your ticket.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

You have lost your way, follower of the pedophile. The sex offenders’ watchlist is at a different IP address.

Glen Benjamin
Glen Benjamin
8 years ago

You, like Islam lie. The evils of Islam respect nothing but Islam. In fact other religions are banned in the evil cradle of Islam. Bibles are banned too.

NewCrusader
NewCrusader
8 years ago

Whoa there! Big, big difference: radical Islam is actually using the ugly things in the Quran to justify the evil they are perpetrating on “non-believers” and “apostates” in many places around the world. Many Muslims, even supposed moderates, support Sharia which translates to a lack of freedom. How many Christians have stoned a homosexual lately? How many Jews have carried out mass beheadings? Christianity and other world religions have advanced in tolerance and understanding. Many Muslims still want to follow the Quran’s savage 7th century teaching word for word. That is why Ms. Geller’s message is so important. It seems to me that Muslim students would want to stop the radicalization of their beliefs instead of supporting it.

Patrick Roy
Patrick Roy
8 years ago

Jesus, you could go back in time and look at ancient Egypt, or why not the fertile crescent even? We’re concerned about THE NOW, you idiot. Islam, radical Islam, is heinous. If you have a good heart, that’s fantastic. I’m sure there are a few others like you but get the message – no one likes Islam probably not even most of its forced adherents. Sorry but its garbage, like most other religions. Except its just the worst.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Roy

He doesn’t have a good heart. He is just practicing taquiyya. Don’t buy it for a minute.

Paul Anchor
Paul Anchor
8 years ago

@eternalnow,

all you can do is to try and deceive people about what the bible teaches.

the torah does not teach that a rapist must marry his victim.

the koran teaches that if there are not four witnesses the rapist goes scot free.

stoning adulterers is in the hadith. it appears that Allah forgot to put it in the koran!

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul Anchor

>>the torah does not teach that a rapist must marry his victim.>>

here’s the verses:

28 Suppose a man comes across a virgin who is not engaged and overpowers and rapes her and they are discovered. 29 The man who has raped her must pay her father fifty shekels of silver and she must become his wife because he has violated her; he may never divorce her as long as he lives. (Deut. 22:28-29)

Can you show me the verse in the Quran needing four witnesses to prove rape?

justisinus
justisinus
8 years ago

Let’s talk about what’s hapening right now in this age not 2000 years ago.
Muslims are the ones slaughtering innocent people across the Middle East.
Muslims claim a holy war is going on against Islam I don’t think so it’s the muslims making the jihadist war, if that was the case Christian countries could turn the muslim world into dust by nuking islam back to the 7th century.
The muslim savages can live a wonderful life in the desert with the camels and goats.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

I think you owe the women of the world an apology for following a creed that has resulted in their subjugation in every Muslim majority country. You can’t reform dogshit.

justisinus
justisinus
8 years ago
Reply to  Neil

You cannot reason with apologist muslims.

Betty4440
Betty4440
8 years ago
Reply to  Neil

Neil this is one of those queer muslims. wanting some to argue with him/her. troll.

IronMaiden
IronMaiden
8 years ago

‘May we seek not to fuel discord, but to build a foundation on which we can live in harmony.’

If you want peace then stop attacking Pamela Geller and start confronting the Muslims who murder, rape, burn, torture, behead and enslave the Muslim and non-Muslim alike.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago
Reply to  IronMaiden

No.. she will not do that…instead she will come here & teach Pamela how beautiful islam is n all non-sense …she can criticize Pamela but she cannot criticize her own religion n prophet because she will be Dead & will be killed by her own people !! 😀 This is Islm !!!

NewCrusader
NewCrusader
8 years ago
Reply to  IronMaiden

Well said IronMaiden! I am afraid it is hopeless though….

Glen Benjamin
Glen Benjamin
8 years ago

Islam is a disease and terrorism is its symptom. You do not like free speech, go back to your turd world Muslim dump. The hecklers veto does not allow you to squelch speech you do not like. If that was the case every Koran and any Islamic book should be burned for containing hate speech.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Glen Benjamin

I have no problem with free speech. I’m just telling Pamela Geller its unrealistic tp expect courtesy from a people she has been disrespecting and misrepresenting.

i hope she realizes how many good hearted muslims lives are at risk because she paints them in such an ugly light.

for instance trying to discredit the myjihad project. MyJihad is a legitimate project. It is true that jihad has many meanings not just holy war, but Geller is telling lies about that..saying jihad is holy war.

My jihad is standing up to Muslims who deny human rights.
My jihad is protecting animals from abuse.
My jihad is learning to be gentle toward the environment by not wasting paper or water or littering.

It is fine to criticize Islam or certain Muslims. But to connect innocent Muslims to the hate speech of Muslim bigots as if we all think, say and do the same things is an abuse of free speech. Why tell people someone is guilty when they are innocent?

Your heart is closed to the beautiful parts of Islam apparently. But when I tell you about it, you get accusatory. I’m damned either way, aren’t I? Who here is trying to create peace and who is claiming clearly to be the enemy?

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

In the same sentence you say that Jihad can and does mean war by muzlems against non-mozlems and it means other things too. Why did the myjihad campaign by cair not tell that jihad can mean death to all non-mozlem at the hands of mozlems. She merely pointed out a fact that you agree with. What you dont agree with is that she pointed it out.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

We do not need slaves in America. If you think Islam is beautiful, put your money where your mouth is and move to a Muslim majority country.

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

Honestly what is beautiful about Islam?

Answer – Nothing

Betty4440
Betty4440
8 years ago

if you are trying to do and be so good why aren’t you a CHRISTIAN instead of a muslim?

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

Hey you must be one among CAIR..they have a team of people who are working to islamize …..that is why you came here, lying to people that how islm is true n beautiful BUT its NOT………….We can read your holy book & understand the message on our own….We can also see the practical beheadings n killings in several moslm nations…..

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Proud Kafir

CAIR? Ugh. No. Way too conservative for me.

I’m a progressive Muslim and Sufi. I belong to Muslims with Progressive Values.

I am not trying to make anyone come to Islam. I’m trying to make peace. I have as much a hatred for beheadings and killings as you do. I think people fought war like that a long long time ago. Not that any kind of killing is a better way of killing in war or outside of war.

Stop trying to make me into someone I’m not.

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

As a “progressive” mozlem you too would likely be murdered by the izlamic state for not being izlamic enough. Instead of teaching non mozlems that all people who follow izlam are good, you should go teach the izlamic state that they are wrong in their interpretation of izlam. I am sure we could get you funding for your plane ticket to go tell isis they are not izlamic.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago
Reply to  Honest Citizen

Yes we will help to get her own website & publish all these things there and we will also ask imams to come & have a debate with her on this ..because they (imams) are teaching the other way round…..they are making terrorists in every nation to fight n dye lying them that they will go to heaven if they kill non moslms & convert all non moslm nation into islmic nation….

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Proud Kafir

You realize you are talking about a human life. I’m real and, yes, I risk my life for this. I don’t kowtow and I face the enemy. You guys are just little bullies in the playground. You are the types that lynched black boys and kicked the #XT@ out of Teena Brandon.

You may not agree with my Islam, but its easy to pick on me, isn’t it? You know I’m the pacifist. Not the dangerous one. So do you want to laugh and poke fun until ISIL plants some kind of weapons in the west that poisons or kills us all?

That’s why I’m trying to make peace in places like this. That’s why I’m begging Pamela Geller to work for peace, not for more disharmony. Because you don’t make peace by breaking it.

God/dess bless you and yours. From the bottom of my heart … may their be peace in our world. Laugh about it all you want. you just might b the one who is the fool.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

So when u start loosing argument, u just started accusing me that i m this n that type ..You yourself admitted that ur life is at risk (in above comment for being progressive) & few hours ago you were discussing about peace and all good teachings in islm…its absurd & ironical..please, understand, i appreciate your efforts but you are diverting it at wrong place & I request you that-

Please do not blame Pam for this, You have to blame ur moslm majority nations & YOUR OWN PEOPLE……….threats will not work when u loose arguments on valid grounds……God bless u too !!!

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Proud Kafir

what threats? nothing was meant as a threat.

i didn’t think we were arguing. did you think we were arguing? maybe i have to learn to recognize that energy better.

god/dess bless.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

u r good in using taqiya (lies)….

yes, u need to learn a lot….n relieved urself from Satan..all d best……god bless u..

NewCrusader
NewCrusader
8 years ago

Goddess bless??? What type of Muslim are you anyway?

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

You say you are afraid of isis planting a poison in the west that kills all of us. Then go tell isis they are wrong. Dont come here telling us that all mozlems are pacifists. If you want to stop the violence then get isis to stop beheading christians.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Honest Citizen

How do you propose we get ISIL to stop beheading Christians? Especially when they don’t give a s&%# that Muhammad prohibits harming Christians for the rest of time:

http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/charter1.html

Ashtiname of Muhammad

This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.

Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend
them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out
against anything that displeases them.

No compulsion is to be on them.

Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.

No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.

Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant
and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure
charter against all that they hate.

No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.

The Muslims are to fight for them.

If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.

Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.

No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

are you kidding me.

look at a map, mozlems have converted ancient churches into mosques or simply destroyed them.

the dome of the rock is built on the site of the holy Jewish temple.

the Hagia Sophia was converted to a mosque by mozlem invaders.

izlamic history is full of destruction of non-mozlem places of worship. Stop trying to paint all mozlems as pacifists, you know that is a lie.

go tell the izlamic state that destroying christian churches is wrong. dont come here telling us we are bad for talking about it.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Honest Citizen

i posted what Muhammad himself wrote. It is The Promise made to the Monks of Saint Catherine. The pissy thing is, I don’t think ISIL would give a f#@k what Muhammad wrote. Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, has commanded that Muslims such good treatment of Christians for all time yet Muslims in the middle east are treating them like cr@p. There are Muslims though who do the right thing. There are some who surround churches so Coptic Christians can safely pray, but there is so much bigotry now. And ISIL just wants power. They don’t care about Islam. If they cared about Islam they would have quit their bs a long time ago.

This is what happens when people read Quran without their hearts. Or they look at bogus hadith. Hadith will take a sentence and make something sound so awful, but when its explained in the situation it was revealed in, it totally changes. Its required for all Muslims to gain knowledge, but I fear there are some awful teachers out there who are preaching hate.

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

Thats the funny thing about his writings, they are early mohamed sayings when he was starting his cult where he spoke of peace with others so they would leave him alone. Then as he grew his army, which he used to conquer many cities and murder non-,mozlems, he changed his sayings.

If you were being honest you would accept this is true. But you dont want to speak about when mohamed personally murdered people and ordered others to murder for him. (Jesus never murdered anyone, mahamed did murder)

The thing that is scary is you will not come to terms that there are very nasty things said in the koran hadiths etc that mozlems have been using as their guiding principle since the time of mohamed. Instead you want to deflect and say izlam is 1.5 billion people not all are terrorist. No one is saying all 1.5 billion mozlem are terrorist. We are saying that there are many many mozlem who believe the koran comands them to kill non-mozlem until the day when everyone is mozlem.

It does not matter that you think isis, hamas, boko haram, hizbulah, etc is misinterpreting izlam. They believe they are following the correct interpretation of mohameds teachings.

You should ask for help so you may go and tell the izlamic terrorists of hamas, boko haram, hizbullah, iran, isis that they are wrong and you do not believe they represent izlam.

Stop trying to tell non-mozlems that ALL people who follow the mandates of mohamed are pacifists. That is a lie.

wakeup333
wakeup333
8 years ago

That sounds like modern damage control. The same Muhammad also said he would drive out every Christian & Jew from Arabia:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2FMuslim%2F019.4366.html

And he bragged about victory through terror:

http://www.quranexplorer.com/hadith/english/index.html?page=Hadith%2Fbukhari%2F004.052.220.html

After all, Allah said Christians & Jews are the worst creatures & they’ll burn in hell forever:

http://quran.com/98/6

Like Hitler’s 1938 Munich agreement with Chamberlain, Muhammad’s treaties meant nothing. Proof is the Muslim World, which destroyed Christian & Persian cultures of old, and is finishing off Mid-East Christians today.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  wakeup333

Before Muhammad slaughtered the Jews of Khybar, he signed a peace treaty w/them. He only abrogated that treaty when he attacked them w/o warning, cause or provocation.

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

Muhammad himself participated in the beheadings of Quryash tribe of Jews. It was told he beheaded over 700 people in one day.

When your “god” is a murderous thug, its hard to convince your followers otherwise.

Good luck though.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Ah, as usual when the islamic-nazi can’t debate the issues he resorts to the same, tired ad-hom attacks. BTW, retard, izlam isn’t a race.

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

You make peace by exposing Islam for the fraud it is. Religion of Peace? Puhleeze. Islam should be banned as it is not a true religion, it is a political ideology wrapped in the neat cloak of Religion. “Untouchable” but deadly all the same.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Honest Citizen

I know they would kill me. I know I risk my life standing up to them the way I do. Just like the 5 UK Muslim MPs who voted for marriage equality got death threats, some of us do risk our lives to do bring reform.

http://www.glaad.org/blog/muslims-work-lgbt-support-and-acceptance

It feels so cold to me that you can make such a sarcastic statement about my risking my life the way I do, standing up against the extremism. Are you really so cold when it comes to the recognizing that you are talking about the value of my human life? You break my heart as much as ISIL does with their violence. You don’t realize how deep your hatred is.

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

When have you stood up against extreme IZLAM?

You have never stood up against extreme IZLAM!!

Instead you are here trying to tell non-mozlems that ALL mozlems are more pacifists than Buddhists.

Pamela is the one standing up against extreme Izlam NOT YOU. Her life is threatened not yours.

It feels so cold to me that you would use such a bold faced lie to try to discredit someone who exposes what some mozlems are doing and repeat why those mozlems say they are doing it. You dont realize how deep your hatred is to anyone who points out that the izlamic state is izlamic according to the izlamic state itself. Your goal is not to stop extreme izlam, your goal is to quiet anyone who will say that the izlamic state is based on izlamic teaching.

Whats next the Izlamic republic of iran is not izlamic?

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten says:

“I know they would kill me. I know I risk my life standing up to them
the way I do. Just like the 5 UK Muslim MPs who voted for marriage
equality got death threats, some of us do risk our lives to do bring
reform.”

Resistance is futile. Reformers take a religion to its original sources and in Islam that means ISIS, Boko Haram, Hamas, etc. You want to reform islam into something it never was [except in your imagination). It’s a futile exercise.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

You talk the talk, but none of you islamic-nazis walk the walk. There are no islamic-nazis ANYWHERE trying to redress the systematic, state-sponsored persecution of people of other faiths that is SOP in every izlamic state today.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

Well this Peace word from the mouth of moslm is very dangerous !!

Islm is at peace only when whole world follow Sharia !!!

Islam is Islam …there is no progressive or conservative…
You cannot pick n choose what you want……….they are direct commands frm Allah….

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Proud Kafir

Seriously?

Islam is not a monolith. There are Salafi, Sufi, Druze, Shia, Sunni, Progressive, Ahmadiyya, etc., etc..

The concept of itjihad (using reasoning) creates diversity. Recognizing not all verses, etc. are for all time, renewing interpretations, etc., are also going to create a diversity in Islam.

Muslims for Progressive Values principles are:

http://www.mpvusa.org/mpv-principles/

Do you really think you are this much of an expert to make these kind of statements? No, we’re not all the same.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

Well all those are after all Sharia followers….also the website of Progressive which you shared is in US & not in any Moslm majority nation like- Saudi, Qatar, Porkistan, Brunei, Afganistan, etc,…
United State is Dar-al-Harb (yet to be converted into islm) -for you so u will show urself as progressive, nice, peace….
But in Dar-al-Islam- (Moslm majority nation), where your progressiveness go?? It just left infidels into piece…

Why not you start such things in places where it is required most?
and for your information I know this political islm very well…

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Proud Kafir

Many of us are involved with the Raif Badawi case out of Saudi Arabia. He was involved with a liberal secular movement: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/raif-badawi-tells-of-flogging-ordeal-in-letter-from-saudi-prison

Keep your eye out for Parvez Sharma’s documentary Sinner in Mecca. http://asinnerinmecca.com

Being both gay and filming while on the hajj could have gotten him killed in Saudi Arabia, but he managed it. Alhamdulillah!

Living in the west, many of us feel we have the responsibility to speak out in whatever way we can to fight back at the harsh Islam that is dominating the Middle East and that the sensational media keeps presenting to the public versus the vast diversity that exists within Islamic communities.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

amazing, Pamela also has provided support in her web for the case of Badawi.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  nacazo

he needs all the help he can get. its terrible how the saudis abuse their ppl.

Proud Kafir
Proud Kafir
8 years ago

I wish you all the best for speaking out, but people like u are in very very small Nano percentage…0.0000000000000000000000001 % out of billions !!! I have that much percentage hope frm moslms that they will follow peace and allow freedom of religion ………

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

LOL, what about repudiating the rabid Jew hate found in all the books of izlam? What about repudiating Muhammad’s actions in killing/enslaving all the Jews of Khybar? I have to say I admire your taqiyya, it is highly sophisticated. To defend/reform izlam is as ludicrous a concept as defending/reforming nazism.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

BTW is IJtihad and the door of IJtihad was closed hundreds of years ago in Sunni Islam. You won’t be successful in opening that door but maybe I’m wrong. First you have to acknowledge there are problems in Islam itself before you attempt to reform it into something in your imagination. If you want to reform it into what Mohammed had in mind, we already have ISIS, Boko Haram, HAmas, Hixbollah, etc

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

It’s certainly admirable that you want to “make peace.” And I’m encouraged that you are a muslim with “progressive values,” I assume that means you have discarded the command to kill and conquer for allah. But you can understand our skepticism. If I told you I were a “progressive” nazi would you not wonder what that meant? Even a progressive nazi is probably going to come with some dirty baggage, right? I would need to know in detail just what a progressive muslim believes before I would consider them a friend or foe.

Why is it that we infidels are ridiculed in our rational objections of an ideology that states in unambiguous terms its desire to kill or oppress all non-believers? Why should I have to respect a “progressive” muslim any more than a progressive nazi? Islam’s bad effects are universal and stupendously bad, as a result of this very same ideology. Am I supposed to derive comfort in knowing that some hold to a progressive islam? As long as koranic jihad is a living tradition islam will always be a killing force and grave threat to humanity. To me there is only ONE kind of progressive muslim, and that’s an ex-muslim.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Stop trying to make me into someone I’m not.

You do a good job of that yourself- taqiyya merchant.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

We don’t buy your allegedly non-violent sufi taquiyya:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

Most of us realize that we are in for the war of our lives and that the victors will write history. Don’t let that pen get too comfortable in your hand, Muzzscum.

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago

“You want to quote terrorists and make it look like these quotes represent all Muslims…”

But Pam isn’t making that association, muslims are. Should Pam be castigated for speaking the murderous truth? Is it fair for you to accuse Pam of a hasty generalization of muslims when their faith clearly condones jihad as war against the infidel? and when countless imams preach it? and when thousands of muslims protest and threaten it? and when a multitude of islamic scholars declare it? and when thousands and thousands are dying because of it?

I’m sorry, you sound really gentle and nice, but oh so naive, and in a very dangerous way.

Why do you believe Jews and Christians have the ability to read past the violence in their sacred texts, but you believe Muslims thrive on them…

Well, there is the one tiny difference that muslims are actually doing it, killing and oppressing in accordance with their “scriptures.” In a way, you answered your own question. Obviously Jews and Christians do have the ability to read past the violence because they aren’t doing it, unlike our muslim brothers and sisters who kill as a religious quest. We aren’t perfect, no nation and people ever are. But I’m proud to say, my country does not condone murder & oppression as a divine principle, as does islam. And it’s the fact that muslims do this that gives others the impression that they thrive on violence for “their sacred texts.”

Sorry, but you seem to be overlooking the obvious with this thing. Nobody is trying to make muslims look bad, they do that all on their own. The fact that Pam is pointing this out does not make her a bad person. Especially when her intentions are noble and for the good of humanity.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  JacktheRipper

Um, what violence did Jesus ever condone or take part in again?

JacktheRipper
JacktheRipper
8 years ago
Reply to  IzlamIsTyranny

Good point. But there is violence in the O.T., and most Christians and Jews consider that the word of god too. And in the N.T., “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword,” for all that’s worth.

Since there is definitely violence in the bible it seemed better to state the obvious, that Jews and Christians do not commit violence according to their divine texts. But you’re right, Christ’s message was largely pacifist, and for Christians the N.T. Supersedes the Old.

Liza Tilley
Liza Tilley
8 years ago

she is simply quoting the koran.
what’s your problem.
and the fact is: noone is beheading people today by “misquoting” the old testament.
so dont be so effing dumb.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  Liza Tilley

Not being effing dumb at all, sister. You are missing the point. Completely. But what if Muslims started quoting the Old Testament, she would see what a hypocrite she is being.

For instance, stoning is not in the Quran, but it is in the Old Testament:
…killing those who draw you away from your Lord, in the Old Testament punishment is stoning…
gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.” (Leviticus 20:10)

What would happen if a mosque posted these on the side of buses in the US? Would it be the truth about Jewish people in the US?

wakeup333
wakeup333
8 years ago

I say, be my guest! I’ll help! I’m an atheist & I say it’s nuts to use ancient texts of barbaric peoples as a model for modern life. That said, there’s only ONE religion today that stones people to death: Islam. YouTube has videos. None casting stones are Jews or Christians.

Same can be said for killing those who leave the faith, cutting heads, hands & feet off, crucifixion, burning people alive, etc. No religion does this today EXCEPT Islam.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  wakeup333

We can acknowledge that Jews and Christians follow a scripture with violent commands, stories and references, but they are no longer applying them (in the western world). So why do i have so much trouble when I come to places like these? I try saying its possible to have an Islam free of the kind of violence perpetrated by terrorists and some of the Islamic nations and I give verses, etc., but I am told I’m guilty of taqiyya, etc.. Why is no one here willing to consider what I’m saying when I am doing for Islam what Jews and Christians did for their religions? They took religions and grew out of the violent punishments, etc.. You remember history class and all the punishments the Christians had for people. And how they burned witches, etc.. Why do the people here seem so unwilling to allow me to express Islam has the ability to become focused on compassion and mercy?

you point right back to hadith or verses to keep it hateful. what about all the verses and sayings of muhammad that were gentle and loving? why do you keep dismissing them?

Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant.” (Quran 7:199)

Good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with what is better. Then he, between whom and you there was hatred, will become as though he was a bosom friend.” (Quran 41:34)

The believers are those who spend in charity during ease and hardship and who restrain their anger and pardon the people, for Allah loves the doers of good.

(Quran 3:134)

Then be among those who believed and advised one another to patience and advised one another to mercy. (Quran 90:17)

Paul Anchor
Paul Anchor
8 years ago

@the eternal now,

which violent commands in the bible are you talking about?

some of the commands of the OT are abrogated because there is no theocracy any more.

the preaching of the gospel assumes the freedom of not believing. this would abrogate the OT apostasy laws.

revelation and the kingdom of God are progressive.

IronMaiden
IronMaiden
8 years ago

Clearly you want to reform aspects of the the practice of Islam. We welcome your intention.

Religious reformation occurred in Western Christendom because individuals rose up from within the system of faith and challenged the misappropriation and abuse of scripture, by the priest class and nobility, to execute power over the people.

We did not have external pressure forcing us to reform, it was generated from within, as individuals gained access to the scripture and were able to read and interpret it for themselves.

There were also notable socio-political forces at work in Western culture, that made reformation possible but in no way was it a homogenous and harmonious process.

If you want to reform your own religion and therefore many Islamic societies, we urge you to hurry up and get on with it 🙂 Find as many like-minded Muslims as yourself as you can and find the great courage you will need to face the violent opposition you know, full well you will encounter.

I urge you to be like the Christian reformers of the past who, despite facing severe approbation and death, allowed the courage of their convictions to carry them forward on the mission they believed was at hand.

Were they perfect? No.

Were some vile and narcissistic? In my opinion – yes!

Was there violence and bloodshed? Yes.

Were there differences of opinion and doctrinal divides? Yes.

Did they focus on the practitioners of other religions in order to divert themselves from the task at hand because it was to overwhelming? No.

Are there difficult passages of scripture to contend with in the OT? Yes.

Do we attempt to impose OT teachings on modern society? No.

Are you asking contemporary Jews, Christians and other assorted infidels to feel subdued, in our opposition to the horror of devout Islamic practice today, because of some violent scriptures and practices in the OT? Yes.

Are we going to be cowed in this way? No.

Why will we not yield? Because you are asking us to go against our own nature, beliefs, faith, morals, ethics and culture. You are attempting to impose Islam – submission.

You want us to submit our reasoned judgement to an infantile, ‘soft’-jihad campaign, that attempts to draw our attention away from the suffering of hundreds of thousands, nay millions, of men, women and children worldwide, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike. How cruel are you? Very.

I think you should ask yourself why is it so important that we in the West see jihad in this manner? I contend, if it is not a matter of taqqiya, then it is because you and many other Muslims cannot face what Islam, when practiced to the letter, truly represents.

I submit you have experienced a deep internal conflict, even anguish, regarding the darker teachings of the prophet and that is why you were drawn to Unitarian Universalism.

I implore you to apply reason and see that perhaps fear has driven you in this direction precisely because Unitarianism gives you permission to both hold onto and challenge Islam at the same time. This is the kind of permission true Islam would never allow and you know it but can’t face it – yet.

The truth is your actions challenge the so-called perfection, finality and infallibilty of the prophet’s revelation and teachings. A devout Islamist would see you as an apostate and you would be metered out the appropriate punishment, if you sought to proselytize these views, in a sharia state or even amongst a devout Islamic community.

I think you’re focusing on Pam Geller, and the so-called victimization of Muslim’s in the West, because it is safer to denounce soft non-Muslim targets than it is to genuinely and concertedly confront the actual mullahs, imams and hoards of fierce Muslims you surely know you must face.

Pamela Geller and others like her do not point out the truth to incite violence, they point out the truth to warn us all that the very ‘extremists’ you yourself denounce would seek to control and ‘reform’ us all.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  IronMaiden

Spot on.

Paul Anchor
Paul Anchor
8 years ago

“So why do i have so much trouble when I come to places like these?”

because this is only Muslim to Muslim, duh

Playing the victim card now?

[48.29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves;

[66.9] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.

[71.26] And Nuh said: My Lord! leave not upon the land any dweller from among the unbelievers:

[86.17] So grant the unbelievers a respite: let them alone for a while.

“Why is no one here willing to consider what I’m saying when I am doing for Islam what Jews and Christians did for their religions?”

We don’t trust anyone who follows your “prophet”

War is deceit. Who said that?

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

If you live Islam so much, why not live in a Muslim majority country?

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

If you believe you are some savior trying to change Islam for the better and that you think you will have any impact, then I personally would buy you a plan ticket to the Islamic cesspool of your choice to spout this and we’ll see how far you get.

Betty4440
Betty4440
8 years ago

you pick and choose these parts trying to make islam sound so great. to get people to convert to islam. people are getting pretty fed up with all this crap you muslims spew. and only the good parts apply to muslims. not to the non believers. kill the non believers where ever you find them.

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago
Reply to  wakeup333

Yeshua specifically came out against the stoning to death of a woman in Yerushalem thus the quote let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

Yes. We are sick and tired of these Jewish people stoning people all over the Middle East

/sarc off

IzlamIsTyranny
IzlamIsTyranny
8 years ago

Please quote historical instance which Jews have stoned anyone to death for ANY reason. Just ONE. Your “argument” is commonly called one of false equivalence as well as tu quoque.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

She is not your sister. She is human. You are Muzzscum.

Liza Tilley
Liza Tilley
8 years ago

i told you. show me one person who is going on a murdering rampage TODAY in the name of christianity or judaism.
your so called holy book is so full of hatred and death that i simply could not get past page 1. and even that was a waste of 2 minutes of my life.
that is islam for you in one sentence: muslims trying their best to defend the indefensible. yr gonna have to try a little harder than that.

Jim Fox
Jim Fox
8 years ago

Here, let me clear up your ‘confusion’. Start with your ridiculous lies- where has she incited hatred of Muslims? “Insisting every Muslim is a terrorist” again, a lie. Next, your falsehoods about Islam- it is demonstrably NOT a religion of peace, hijacked by a few crazed zealots; there are millions of them and their silent supporters, braying, threatening and wreaking havoc all over the world and these ‘students’ are the perfect example.
Muslims exhibit a degree of victimhood seen in no other group, ever ready to be offended over any ‘insult’; it is a puerile attitude and Muslims would do well to grow up and join the 21st century.

Your ‘god’ is very well known for his intolerance and savagery. He will have nothing to do with the najis kuffar other than to have him slaughtered. A does of truth would benefit any devout Muslim.

Do you want some quotes from your “Holy”[!!] Koran in support of this claim??

NewCrusader
NewCrusader
8 years ago

One student actually shouted ” Thanks to God” when Ms. Geller
mentioned that ISIS is growing in strength. It is horrendous to think that the students celebrate the evil horror that is ISIS. This should have been a discussion about radical Islam in which intelligent, reasonable, supposedly moderate Muslim students could participate. Instead it was a wasted opportunity all around. Sad, so very sad…and frightening.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  NewCrusader

How scary that someone cheered for ISIL. There needs to be a great effort at educating kids about what ISIL is really about. I think when Muslim kids, not only are there the risks of drinking, drugs, etc, but of falling into a trap of radical ideology especially when we know they recruiters are searching around for that exact type of person. Its horrifying. It must be so scary to be a parent in these times.

NewCrusader
NewCrusader
8 years ago

Indeed yes. This was my hope, that the students would show up and be open to hearing what Ms. Gellar was saying. I’m sure that was her hope also. The only way Islamic terrorism will be defeated is for reasonable, intelligent Muslims like yourself to stand up and say “no more”.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  NewCrusader

Maybe I haven’t given enough time to understanding Ms. Geller’s strategy and need to learn more about what she is doing, but I hope she will try to engage Muslims in a way that they can be empowered in working against the extremist and fundamentalist ideology that has got a stranglehold in parts of the Islamic world right now.

Prior to the 1970s, stoning was unknown for adultery. And the people tried to rebel when it became a punishment for adultery. I was reading this week that the judges (I’m not sure if it is in Nigeria or Iran or somewhere else) can condemn someone to stoning based on their “intuition”. I have been haunted by that all week. Can you imagine living within that kind of government? That is not Islam. In Islam, the punishment was never stoning in Quran. And there are hadith where the Prophet tells a man four times to go to repent to God instead of confessing. And others where he tells someone he must be mistaken in some way so the man can be free from punishment. The Prophet taught the Muslims to do anything in their power not to punish people for things. The only way a person could be convicted was four people actually witness penetration (meaning they were doing it out in public where anyone can see because spying is illegal in Islam). Now gay men partying in Iran get tortured and killed. Astaghirullah!

NewCrusader
NewCrusader
8 years ago

I love that you and I, who started out on opposite sides, can have intelligent dialogue! I appreciate your willingness to look again at Ms. Geller’s message. I will agree with you that her approach could sometimes make it hard for peaceful and intelligent Muslims to not take offense. However, I admire her passion and courage in trying to bring the world’s attention to the very real threat of radical Islamic fundamentalism.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  NewCrusader

I cannot believe you are buying this taquiyya. I have some whitewater view beachfront property in North Dakota to sell you.

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago
Reply to  NewCrusader

Don’t be fooled, he/she is still Muslim and still trying to practice Daw’ah.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

So when will you schedule your first talk at Brooklyn college to set the little thugs straight on the nature of ISIS? Until we see a video of that, why don’t you shut your lazy, cowardly, hypocritical mouth and lay off Pamela?

wri7913
wri7913
8 years ago

The question you should be asking is “WHY is it so easy for Muslim kids to fall prey to ISIS”.

Answer – Islam

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:
“You want to quote terrorists and make it look like these quotes represent all Muslims”

Pamela never said those quotes represent all muslims. She said those quotes define jihad for SOME (very high profile) muslims. You are an islamophobe for assuming that those quotes apply to ALL muslims.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

” you want Muslims who are insulted when you make them look like
terrorists to sit with their mouths taped shut so you can force feed
them your hate speech?”

Pamela is quoting statements by SOME (very high profile) muslims. If some muslim gets insulted, they have to go to the source of the “insult” which is the people Pamela quoted.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

” But to compare the two [i guess jewish questioners at a Palestinian speaker event?]as equal is ludicrous because you are taunting Muslims.”

Pamela is not taunting muslims. She is quoting high profile muslims definition of Jihad. I don’t know about the Palestinian event in question but most Palestinian leaders do want to throw all jews into the sea.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

“Sister, look at the Old Testament and how all of it could have been misquoted the same way you do with Quran.”

The Old Testament quotes apply to a specific person and time [e.g., Joshua against some Canaanites, Saul against some Madianites]. The qur’an quotes are interpreted to apply to ALL muslim against ALL kafirs ALL the time. No equivalency here.

the eternal now
the eternal now
8 years ago
Reply to  nacazo

“The Old Testament quotes apply to a specific person and time [e.g., Joshua against some Canaanites, Saul against some Madianites].”

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Kill anyone who doesn’t obey the priest. Its evil.

“Now the man who acts presumptuously and will not heed the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall put away the evil from Israel.” (Deut.17:12)

Kill gays (something the Quran doesn’t say to do. In fact there is no punishment prescribed for it).

“If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.” (Lev. 20:13)

Kill adulterers.(again not commanded in the Quran, but in the Old Testament)

“The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.” (Lev. 20:10)

Daughters who shame their fathers by fornicating are to be burned to death

“The daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by playing the harlot, she profanes her father. She shall be burned with fire.” (Lev. 21:9)

Kill family members who try to entice you into worshiping other gods and cities where anyone is found to worship other gods than the God of Israel:

6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you. (Deut. 13:6-12)

12 If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the Lord your God gives you to dwell in, saying,‘Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods”’—which you have not known— 14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it isindeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you,15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 16 And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again. 17 So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to your fathers, 18 because you have listened to the voice of theLord your God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do what is right in the eyes of the Lord your God. (Deut. 13: 13-18)

And more verses on killing those who are non-believers:

2 “If there is found among you, within any of your gates which the Lord your God gives you, a man or a woman who has been wicked in the sight of the Lordyour God, in transgressing His covenant, 3 who has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, either the sun or moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded, 4 and it is told you, and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination has been committed in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has committed that wicked thing, and shall stone to death that man or woman with stones. (Deut. 17:2-5)

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In the Quran, life is sacred.

Say: “Come, I will rehearse what God hath (really) prohibited you from”: Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom. (6:151)

O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful! (4:29)

In the Quran, only the non-muslims who fight Muslims about their religion are considered their enemies.

[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

[60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

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But even if non-muslims fight Muslims over their religion, Muslims cannot be the aggressors, they can only protect themselves. And when the aggressors desist, the Muslims must stop fighting:

[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers.
[2:192] If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
[2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.

[5:87] O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.

[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[4:90] … if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting you, and offer you peace, then GOD gives you no excuse to fight them.

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And during battles, there are rules to follow which protect for example women and children.

Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path.

You must not mutilate dead bodies.

Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man.

Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.

Slay not any of the enemy’s flock, save for your food.

You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone

(rules laid down by Abu Bakr)

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In the Old Testament, there are commands for children to be killed. As an example: Prepare a place to slaughter his children for the sins of their ancestors; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities. (Isaiah 14:21)

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The tone of the Torah can be very harsh. And this helps explain why Muslims believe the Torah is not in the pure condition it was revealed in. But you cannot make the claim you did about the Torah. It has quite a bit on murdering others and I’ve only shared several examples. These are not just for specific people or specific times. They include all “non-believers” in the Lord of Israel as you can see.

So lets start talking to each other realistically. Many Muslims are practicing Islam according to its compassionate teachings and many of these teachings exist in Islam. Others are practicing Islam in an intolerant violent way. This needs to be addressed, but fairly and realistically not with a bigoted idea that all Muslims are violent and practice a violent religion.

Honest Citizen
Honest Citizen
8 years ago

You keep saying that we say that ALL mozlems are violent. This is a lie. We are talking about violent mozlems who tell us they act the way they do because the koran commands them to.
We are not the ones saying the koran orders people to murder non-mozlems. Devout mozlems say this, we are repeating them.

You play an equivalency game saying the Torah is violent. As far as I can tell the more devout Jewish you become the less violent you are. The Very religious Jewish people in Israel do not even serve in the military.

Paul Anchor
Paul Anchor
8 years ago

Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man.

Where is this in the Quran? Did Abu Bakr bring revelations?

bible: “thou shalt not kill”

There is no prohibition of killing in the Quran as there is in the Bible. So much for the sacredness of life in Islam.

A Muslim can kill any unbeliever if he feels himself “oppressed” in any way by them or if they are making “mischief” in the land:

mischief could mean anything that could be interpreted to be offensive to Islam:

[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel
that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for
mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever
keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly
Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that
many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
[5.33]

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and
strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be
murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off
on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a
disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a
grievous chastisement,

Persecution, which constitutes a non-violent attack upon a person, is not a justification for violence in the bible as it is in the Koran:

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and
religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there
should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

in other words in any society there must be violent jihad until sharia law is the law of the land.

Surah 2 is abrogated by Surah 9:

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter
day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited,
nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the
Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they
are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons
and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they
fight in Allah’s way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is
binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is
more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the
pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are
near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is
with those who guard (against evil).

No a rapist does not marry his victim. He is put to death.

deut 22 v 25 But
if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her,
and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

this is not rape:

28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

parallel text in exodus 22:

16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

under the new covenant described in the new testament enticement to apostasy is not a crime. there is no theocracy so apostasy is not a crime:

preaching the gospel implies the freedom not to believe and that unbelief is not a crime to be punished, which is the opposite of sharia law and the OT:

Mark 16 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

Maybe you should start your own site to quote violent passages of non-muslim holy books. The only problem is no one would visit it, since these passages have been irrelevant since the Enlightenment.

In Islam, however, the violent passages are quoted and used to justify the rapes, kidnapping and murders of hundreds of thousands in the present day.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

“but you believe Muslims thrive on them by insisting every Muslim is a terrorist.”

Please provide your sources where Pamela said even once [insisted?] that “every Muslim is a terrorist”.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

“You are willing to ruin lives by perpetuating a false identity and
increasing hatred toward Muslims who are not the evil beings you make
them out to be. ”

Again, Pamela is quoting definition of Jihad by high profile muslims. Where are the sources on your allegation that Pamela says that ALL muslims are evil beings???

s;vbkr0boc,klos;
s;vbkr0boc,klos;
8 years ago

Go sell your bull crap somewhere else.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

“You may not shed blood, but you do seek to destroy and hurt with your words.”

False moral equivalence. Word hurt is the same as a beheading according to you. Ludicrous. What do you prefer: someone says something you don’ like or someone beheads you?

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:

“And it is all so you can see yourself on the tv screen, isn’t it?”

Yeah that’s it…. Pamela wants to be on TV. ten is a genius!!! Your mind reader of Pamela worked perfectly.

/sarc off

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten said:
“May the God of your religion and my religion forgive you and forgive me
and forgive our enemies. May God guide you and guide me and guide our
enemies . May we live in peace. May we seek not to fuel discord, but
to build a foundation on which we can live in harmony. May we not allow
the extremists to defeat us.”

and kumbayah to you too.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  nacazo

What a bunch of horseshit. I cannot stand that multi-culti mumbo jumbo. Sounds like a bunch of stoners about to go into a sweat hut and not come out alive.

nacazo
nacazo
8 years ago

ten: you are a veritable source of multiculturalist, moral relativist, leftist, islamo-supremacist mumbo-jumbo, Congratulations!!!

Paul Anchor
Paul Anchor
8 years ago

@the eternal now

you said: “Sister, look at the Old Testament and how all of it could have been misquoted the same way you do with Quran.”

I reply:

No it couldn’t. The OT commands to violence are in a temporary context of judgement at a specific time and place. They were a temporary suspension of law by divine command given to Joshua.

The koranic commands to violence are permanently binding as law for Muslims for all time.

You are just showing your ignorance of the bible and the tolerance of evil that will eventually bring the downfall of the west and usher in a new era of barbarism.

What is your religion? Are you a Muslim by any chance?

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago

You are a coward who would trade freedom and dignity for peace. Get thee to ISIS land where your new masters can play polo with your empty head. By the way, there is no such thing as a “palestinian”.

cmh
cmh
8 years ago

Fave quote this week….”Islam is the ideology of a retarded culture”….

Patrick Roy
Patrick Roy
8 years ago

Pamela stop speaking at these lib-tard universities. Your messages are too good to waste your time and effort trying to deal with students. These people are animals, again trying to suppress free speech, The interruptors should have been given the boot. Speak to select audiences – invitation only.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  Patrick Roy

She is trying to reach out and convince all the students. It appeared to me from the video that about ten percent of the audience was actually listening and it may have some effect. I admire Pamela for entering such a rat trap (I will not dignify those scum by calling it the lion’s den).

tjp
tjp
8 years ago

Take it as a compliment Pamela; it means they’re scared of you. Your truth must be getting through.

Your Friend Clem
Your Friend Clem
8 years ago

I know a bunch of creeps when I see a bunch of creeps … why are these lackwits cluttering the tertiary education sector … ahh yes to become fearless community workers in the dominion of SJWs

Jim McCormack
Jim McCormack
8 years ago

I will NEVER HIRE a graduate of Brooklyn College.

freedom
freedom
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim McCormack

You sound just as terrible as the jeering students at the talk.

Jim McCormack
Jim McCormack
8 years ago
Reply to  freedom

I’m not a jeering Muslim , I’m a business owner and hire who I please. Certainly it will not be a Muslim and particularly one who silences a difference in opinion. It goes on all ove the Country where there is a Muslim audience. No conservative speech allowed.

freedom
freedom
8 years ago
Reply to  Jim McCormack

Your original statement said you won’t hire ANYONE who graduates from Brooklyn College. Now you’re saying something different. It must suck to work for you. You must drive your employees insane.

Jim McCormack
Jim McCormack
8 years ago

Since Islam began,over 290 Million people have been slain by Muslims. Check it out..Denial is insane in view of the facts.

Steve Brown
Steve Brown
8 years ago

Pamela: Start a movement to have all US college students drop out of all US colleges that have any form of a militant Jihadist campus student organization. Hopefully this would bankrupt the colleges. Then, hundreds of Judeo- Christian colleges and universities would instantly spring up. This can be done. All it would take is to start with ONE UNIVERSITY which could branch out throughout America. The Jedeo-Christian universities would have zero tolerance against the preaching of anything contrary to Jedeo- Christians beliefs. Its still a free country, so ”We the people” still have the right to educate our children as we choose to.

Gordon Miller
Gordon Miller
8 years ago
Reply to  Steve Brown

Judging from recent events, I fear we’re no longer living in a free country.
As an aside, look what’s happening in Baltimore. Despicable thugs are having their way—even with the justice system, the mob rules. When more and more Muslims infiltrate this country, we can expect more of the same.
The first thing to attempt a reversal is to get Obama out of the white house—and I don’t mean replaced by that harridan Hillary Clinton.

sandra schmidt
sandra schmidt
8 years ago
Reply to  Steve Brown

What about the 30% of agnostics who want nothing to do with Islam? Better idea would be to continue to give the Muzzscum the opportunity to act out and then publish their disruptions and the University police non-response on a webpage to assist parents and alumni in decided whether or not to support that university.

paendragon
paendragon
8 years ago

Liberal colleges teach sedition – the backwards nonsense that “nations” cause wars.
They should be investigated and brought up on charges – is the punishment the same as for treason, I wonder (and hope!)?

Elijah Mann
Elijah Mann
8 years ago

They are scared of what you have to say Pam. BTW, why was there some kind of preference with Muslims in the front?

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