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Re: “What comes out of these stands: If the Quran-Hadiths-Sira are clear, then it is either completely innocent, as many moderate Muslims will tell us, or irredemably malevolent, as you will tell us.”

Let me reply in detail concerning these 2 points of yours:

1.) LYING IS CONSIDERED A HOLY OBLIGATION IN ISLAM:

There are no “moderate” muslims, simply because there is no “moderate” islam.

When your putatively “moderate” muslims tell you that the hadiths soften or better explain away all the apparently nasty bits in the Qur’an, THEY ARE LYING TO YOU, as that very same Qur’an, and those very same ahadiths, order them to:

There are so many calls to deceit, and ways to deceive, as prescribed by their texts. Here’s a small sample thanks to Kurt Vangsness

Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.
Kitman: deceit by omission.
Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.
Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).
Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).
Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear “moderate.” So through the principle of Hijra (Muslim Immigration), the early Muslims are a “red herring” or a Trojan Horse. The Kafir or Kuffar community gets the false sense that the early immigrants are not a threat, at least until the Muslim community has gained strength.

Taqiyya Deception (taqqiya): Dissimulation (Concealment of the truth about a situation) is sanctified hypocrisy. It is considered a part of Islamic strategy to lie and deceive unbelievers by any means. Thus, exercising turkey is very pious behavior. Veiling the truth: Adjustment, deception up to the open lie. -Taqqiya is attached, if it is helpful to the well-being of the religion -Islam (Khomeini).
(To lie and cheat for the good of Islam against an Infidel is considered as a sacred duty)

Kitman also spelled as Kithman is close to Taqqiya (see above) but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Moslem maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (Little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “Kitman.” Another example would be the insistence of a Moslem apologist that, “of course”, there is freedom of conscience in Islam and then quoting that Qur’anic verse: ”There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Moslem doctrine of abrogation, (To abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority) or naskh.

There are 109 verses straight from the Quran dictating hate, murder, and terror against all people who will not submit or convert to Islam.

By Moslem Standards: “Success” is measured by what they have done to affect your “status” with them. (A.) Whether they have converted you, by any and all means, (B.) Subjected you to a Dhimmi-Slave status and you have paid the 30% Jizyah Tax, of which you will receive absolutely no benefit as a Non-Moslem (C.) Cut off your hand and foot on opposite sides, (the same as if you were caught as a thief) (D.) or enslaved as an actual slave or (E.) Killed you!

Nope! Absolutely “no compulsion in religion”! (Re: your assertion that “Religion is a choice, yes?”)!

All muslims are liars. Their creed informs them their god wants them to lie all the time, to everyone* – to their own families and friends (“to keep the peace”) and of course to their infidel enemies (“to keep the peace until you are in a position of strength and able to successfully attack them again”). Obviously, since islam is only an extortion racket CRIME syndicate, they have to lie to them selves, too, in order to pretend it’s a “religion” in any way; i.e:

“God told us to commit these crimes!”

(Capisce?)!

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*(Narrated in al-Bukhari, 2546; Muslim, 2605)

It was narrated that Asma’ Bint Yazeed said: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him) said: ‘It is not permissible to tell lies except in three (cases): when a man speaks to his wife in a way to please her; lying in war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.’”

Muslims are told by allah to LIE TO EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME: (and all “to keep the peace!”) to their own families and friends, and of course to their “infidel enemies.”

Similarly, one of Mohammed’s own daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations:

1.) For reconciliation among people.
2.) In war.
3.) Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.

In other words, “allah wants you to lie to everyone, all the time!”

And, while they amputate the appropriate limbs for theft, not only do they not cut out their own tongues for lying, but they actively encourage it…yet lying is only the most basic form of theft – it’s the theft of the Truth. And theft IS crime.

So “allah” is only an immoral thief, just like his creator, Muhammad was.

PS: The ends don’t justify the means – they only ever really DEFINE the end results: If you lie, murder and steal to get your way, in the end, you’re NOT “a great success” – you’re still really only a lying, murdering THIEF!

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“If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths (to each other, not to infidels). Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.” Surah 5:89 (In other words, if you feel guilty about lying, just go on a diet for three days and allah will forgive you).

“Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.” Surah 2:225

“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” Surah 16: 106.

The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabari explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, “If they turned, you turn.” (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)

3:28 [http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir//3.8052.html], 3:118, 4:89, 4:139, 4:144, 5:51, 9:23, 9:33, 60:1, 60:13

3:28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allâh warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allâh is the final return.

And why would muslims “fear a danger from unbelievers”?

Maybe because the muslims have been told they are so superior to all the non-muslims in the world, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy responsibility to their god to extort, enslave, and murder them all for their ‘crime’ of not being muslims? That might upset their victims, so of course they’re supposed to lie in order to be able to ‘defend’ their holy right to continue to commit their crimes against their victims!

Ibn Kathir quotes ahadith which are not included in Khan’s translation but are included in Aisha Bewley’s, in his explanation of 3:28.

… meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said,

“We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”

Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, “The Taqiyah (holy deception and lying to infidels to promote the islamic criime-gang) is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” (i.e: forever and always).

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve bligations.”
Qur’an 66:2 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

Islam elevates lies and deception to the level of a sacrament.

So, don’t ask a muslim about islam, because it’s inevitable that they will lie to you about it, as they lie to themselves about it.

Just read their stuff for your self, secure in the knowledge that it is immutable and will never change.

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2.) The HADITHS:

There are a grand total of SIX major hadith collections in islam. They, not the Qur’an, detail how moslems are to pray to their god, perform ablutions, pilgrimages, etc. Without them, the standalone Qur’an is only a war-cult’s crime-manual.

The most “sahih” (official) two ahadith (Bukhari and Moslem) are almost as official as the Qur’an, (in that you get decapitated for disbelieving in them, too) because only they contain the supplementary rules for praying etc., without which the Qur’an is ONLY a list of commands to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-moslems in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being moslems!

The “backgrounder” parts of the islamic narrative (the details concerning what circumstances were occurring behind the scenes in Muhammad’s life, as he was motivated and influenced to write the various parts of the Qur’an as his own personal diary) are recorded in the various collections of “hadiths” (discussions) and can be linked by topic references (tafsirs).

The hadiths are the explanatory supplements developed through the isnad (hear-say) chains of transmission, to detail and expound on the Qur’an’s more obscure, contradictory, and confusing bits; i.e:

“Narrated Abu Hashim: “I was confused by the difference of the earlier, peaceful ‘to you your religion, and to me, mine’ and ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ bits in the Meccan Suras of the Qur’an, and the later “Kill them all, and rape their women and children for allah!” Medina bits, SO I asked the prophet Muhammad, who said:

“Allah is perfect, so he can change his mind whenever he wants to! So, it doesn’t matter what I said he said in the earlier bits, before – it’s what I’m saying NOW that counts! Just obey me because I speak for allah, OK?! When I say “Kill them all and rape their women and children,” I really mean it – capisce?!”

That’s the hadiths for you.

So, when Moe said: “It’s OK to lie, to “defend” yourselves, if and when the infidels seem about to catch on that you intend to extort, enslave, and murder them in their sleep!” in the Qur’an, (giving only specific circumstantial and situational examples) and the hadiths then confirmed it as a general principle, allegedly by asking Moe himself to confirm it all, what’s the difference?!

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Here are some perfect examples of the Qur’an’s islamic evil, & confirmation in the hadiths:

Islam itself arbitrarily murders and terrorizes all non-moslems: Qur’an, 8:60: Random victims: “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.”

4:77: Those who whined “Hold back your hands (from attacking)” were corrected: “War is compulsory for us – the good and bad both come from allah!”

Qur’an 9:29 ” Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.”

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Sahih Bukhari 4:53:386 “Our Prophet ordered us to Fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a syahid shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'”