Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz praised on Facebook: ‘Our holy martyr Lubitz died for our prophet’

ByPamela Geller on March 26, 2015
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Piloting a plane to crash is not suicide, it’s mass murder. Lubitz was identified as a German citizen and Mr Robin said he was not known to terrorism links or extremist links, but the prosecutor said he was expecting more information from the German authorities. Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin added his religion was “unknown.”

door signThe door sign at the house of Andreas Lubitz in Montabaur, Germany.

“Co-pilot appears to have crashed Germanwings plane on purpose, prosecutor says,” By Tim Hepher and Jean-Francois Rosnoblet, The Daily Mail,Mar 26, 2015 (thanks to TMI)

(Reuters) – A young German co-pilot locked himself alone in the cockpit of a Germanwings airliner and flew it into a mountain with what appears to have been the intent to destroy it, a French prosecutor said on Thursday.

Investigators and grieving relatives were left struggling to explain what motivated Andreas Lubitz, 28, to kill all 150 people on board the Airbus A320, including himself, in Wednesday’s crash in the French Alps.

French and German officials said there was no indication the crash was a terrorist attack, but gave no alternative explanation for his motives.

Lubitz gained sole control of the aircraft after the captain left the cockpit. He refused to re-open the door and sent plane into its fatal descent, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said.

He did this “for a reason we cannot fathom right now but which looks like intent to destroy this aircraft,” Robin told a news conference in Marseille broadcast live on national TV.

Describing the final 10 minutes of the passengers on board as the plane hurtled towards a mountain range, Robin said sound recordings from one of its black boxes suggested most of them would not have been aware of their fate until the very end.

“Only towards the end do you hear screams,” he said. “And bear in mind that death would have been instantaneous … the aircraft was literally smashed to bits.”

The CEO of Lufthansa, parent company of Germanwings, said its air crew were picked carefully and subjected to psychological vetting.

“No matter your safety regulations, no matter how high you set the bar, and we have incredibly high standards, there is no way to rule out such an event,” CEO Carsten Spohr said.

The world’s attention will now focus on the motivations of Lubitz, a German national who joined the budget carrier in September 2013 and had just 630 hours of flying time – compared with the 6,000 hours of the flight captain, named in German media only as “Patrick S.” in accordance with usual practice.

Robin said there were no grounds to suspect that Lubitz was carrying out a terrorist attack. “Suicide” was also the wrong word to describe actions which killed so many other people, the prosecutor added: “I don’t necessarily call it suicide when you have responsibility for 100 or so lives.”

Police set up guard outside Lubitz’s house in Montabaur, Germany. Acquaintances in the town said they were stunned, describing him as an affable young man who gave no indication he was harbouring any harmful intent.

“I’m just speechless. I don’t have any explanation for this. Knowing Andreas, this is just inconceivable for me,” said Peter Ruecker, a long-time member of the local flight club where Lubitz received his flying license years ago.

“He was a lot of fun, even though he was perhaps sometimes a bit quiet. He was just another boy like so many others here.”

lubitzFacebook photo, February 2013

A photo on Lubitz’s Facebook page, which was later taken down, shows a smiling young man posing in front of San Francisco’s Golden Gate bridge.

Robin said the conversation between the two pilots before the captain left the cockpit started normally but that Lubitz’s replies became “laconic” as they started readying what would have been the normal descent to the airport of Duesseldorf.

“His responses become very brief. There is no proper exchange as such,” he said. It was not clear why the captain had left the cockpit but it was probably to use the toilet, he said.

Robin said the family of the co-pilot had arrived in France for a tribute alongside other those of the victims but was being kept apart from the others.

“SMASH THE DOOR DOWN”

The New York Times cited an unnamed investigator as saying the recording shed insight into the moment when it dawned on the captain that he had been shut out of the cockpit.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” it quoted an investigator described as a senior French military official as saying. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

“You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added.

Investigators were still searching for the second of the two black boxes on Thursday in the ravine where the plane crashed, 100 km (65 miles) from Nice, which would contain data from the plane’s instruments.

France’s BEA air investigation bureau had said on Wednesday it expected the first basic analysis of the voice recordings in days.

Pilots may temporarily leave the cockpit at certain times and in certain circumstances, such as while the aircraft is cruising, according to German aviation law.

Cockpit doors can be opened from the outside with a code, in line with regulations introduced after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, but the code can be overridden from inside the cockpit. Lufthansa’s CEO said that either the pilot had entered the code incorrectly, or the co-pilot inside had overridden it.

The BEA on Wednesday already ruled out a mid-air explosion and said the scenario did not look like a depressurisation.

Germanwings said 72 Germans were killed in the first major air passenger disaster on French soil since the 2000 Concorde accident just outside Paris. Madrid revised down on Thursday the number of Spanish victims to 50 from 51 previously.

As well as Germans and Spaniards, victims included three Americans, a Moroccan and citizens of Britain, Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Colombia, Denmark, Israel, Japan, Mexico, Iran and the Netherlands, officials said. However, DNA checks to identify them could take weeks, the French government said.

The families of victims were being flown to Marseille on Thursday before being taken up to the zone close to the crash site. Chapels had been prepared for them with a view of the mountain where their loved ones died.

(Additional reporting by bureaus in Paris, Berlin, Frankfurt and Madrid; Writing by Mark John; Editing by Peter Graff)

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From Dailymail:

HOW ACCESS TO THE COCKPIT DOOR CAN BE DISABLED FROM THE INSIDE

Access to the cockpit door on the Germanwings Airbus A320 (like the one above) can be disabled from inside the flight deck, raising speculation that one of the pilots deliberately locked the other out

The Airbus A320 is fitted with a locking mechanism to prevent unauthorised access to the flight deck while the aircraft is in flight.

The safety systems were improved in the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks where hijackers were able to gain access to the cockpit and take over the aircraft.

In normal flight, the door to the flight is closed and locked.

Cabin crew can use a code and gain access to the flight deck. Entry is controlled by the flight crew, in case of a possible hijack attempt.

The Cockpit Door Locking System (CDLS) according to the flight manual ‘provides a means of electrically locking and unlocking the cockpit door’.

The CDLS is located in the central pedestal between both pilots and has a toggle switch which controls the door.

They also have a CCTV camera so they can see who is seeking access, and if they are under any form of duress.

Pilots can restrict access to the flight deck although cabin crew can gain entry in an emergency. However, this emergency access can be over-ridden by the pilot for between five to 20 minutes.

The limited time to keep the door closed is itself a safety feature, in case the flight crew become incapacitated – known in the industry as ‘incap’.

After the predeterminted time, the keypad on the outside of the cockpit door will become operational again, unless the pilot actively restricts access again.

Also the cockpit door has several other safety features in case of a sudden decompression which will cause the door to open.

According to the flight manual there are ‘routine’ and ‘emergency’ access requests.

‘The toggle switch enables the flight crew to lock or unlock the cockpit door, following an access request, thereby allowing or denying the entry to the cockpit.’

The Cockpit Door Locking System, pictured, has several safety features to prevent unauthorised access to the cabin, however, this can be overridden if the flight crew become incapacitated for any reason

The Cockpit Door Locking System, pictured, has several safety features to prevent unauthorised access to the cabin, however, this can be overridden if the flight crew become incapacitated for any reason

The flight manual states that the control unit is responsible for:

  • Locking or unlocking the door latches, upon flight crew action
  • Unlocking the door i, in case of cockpit decompression (the door then opens towards the cockpit under differential pressure)
  • Indicating system failures of electrical latches and pressure sensors
  • Activating the access request buzzer and turning on the keypad LEDs

On the Airbus A320, there are three settings:

  • Unlock: This position is used to enable the cabin crew member to open the door. The switch must be pulled and maintained in the unlocked position until the door is pushed open.
  • Normal: All latches are locked, and EMERGENCY access is possible for the cabin crew
  • Lock: Once the button has been moved to this position, the door is locked; emergency access, the buzzer, and the keypad are inhibited for a preselected time (5 to 20 min)

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  • Dr. Doomsday

    Yeah, I love how the MSM is not covering the Islamic aspect of this murderer.
    Not one story so far as I troll national and international reports.

    Aww, whazzamatter Western World, too sissified to see the threat yet? Think if you surf enough porn at work and blame George Bush it will all go away?

    Well it won’t. Its here, its spreading like virulent cancer and you’d better get on board with the idea, or you’ll end up as dead as these plane passengers.

    • Toa

      Comment of the day! Well said.
      I’ve been expecting the Islam factor to surface about this pilot…no surprise at all.

      • DemocracyRules

        CO-PILOT Andreas Lubitz WAS A MUSLIM EXTREMIST

        Lubitz had several Muslim friends, and a Muslim girlfriend. Lubitz trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen, Germany. The flight school is near to the Mosque Masjidu-l-Furqan in Bremen. It is a very radical mosque that was raided and closed in December, 2014 for encouraging violent Jihad.

        Carsten Spohr, CEO of Germanwings parent company, said in a press conference that Lubitz took a break in his training six years ago. Lubitz appears to have converted to Islam during that time. Germanwings CEO almost certainly knows that Lubitz converted to Islam. He was very careful in choosing his words about the break Lubitz took in his studies.

        • DemocracyRules

          Associates of Lubitz say he broke off his relationship with his Muslim girlfriend after he pledged to commit Jihad for Allah.

          German police searched Lubitz’s house and found evidence about why he crashed the plane. They wouldn’t say more, but it’s not a suicide note. They seized several computers as well.

          So much for the “terrorism is ruled out” meme.

          More at romancatholicimperialist and jihadwatch.
          Search term:
          Andreas Lubitz Muslim

          • More Faves

            PROOF Please?

          • Are Horsies Pretty

            There is no proof. Look at the photo. One like. most likely created today. Ridiculous.

          • dlp6666

            Yes, it seems to be an ‘Andreas Lubitz FANS’ page, not a regular plain ‘Andreas Lubitz’ page.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            He daid, dude. Can’t write no blog. no mo.

          • Giacomo Vallone
          • OldSarg

            Here is his Facebook page

          • Maz Hussain

            no this is a Facebook page created for Pamela’s article (probably by Pam), it was created after the event. There is no REAL evidence of him being Muslim. This is just another case of sick extremists trying to generate hate without evidence. I think Pam and ISIS have the same PR consultant

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Taqiyya much? Of course he was a Muzzie. Like you. A lying death cult member. Your days are numbered. All of you.

          • Maz Hussain

            Oh look a right wing extremist who wants everyone to believe in propaganda rather than the facts of the case! you and your fellow nut jobs should merge with ISIS as you have more in common with them that the civilized world.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Oh look, German Intelligence confirming what the rest of us already knew. You must like humiliation.

          • Maz Hussain

            Where? any links from German intelligence? idiots saying something does not make it true? and even if he was/is, can you show me concrete evidence that his actions are for religious reasons and not mental? or do you just want to add 1+1 and get 666

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Clearly you cannot discuss anything that goes against your OPINION without using names and such. The Germans are providing proof. Get up off your ass and do some research.

          • Maz Hussain

            says the person who can not provide a shred of real evidence to support his lies. You could at least create another facebook page for your fellow idiots to like and use that as your ‘Real’ evidence.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Dismissal is not evidence. You make this so easy.

          • Klunst

            Hi. I’m French. We have some real informations here. And you know what ? That guy was not a Muslim. At all. They don’t found any evidence at his place. Get over with it already.

          • Delta S

            Agree with you! I think the one who writes this is an extreme hater or provocator

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Just wait.
            Oh, …and you are a “French” muslim?

          • Maz Hussain

            your the idiot supporting a made up claim and failing to provide evidence – even though you keep referring to it. Considering there is no real evidence to say that he could be Muslim, you’re the fool that needs to prove otherwise.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Dismissal is not evidence. You make this so easy.

          • Maz Hussain

            repetition usually makes people look stupid, but you’re already beyond that.

          • Maz Hussain

            I dismiss your lies cause you have no evidence, you’re stupidity and unsupported claimes makes this very very easy

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Dismissal is not evidence. You make this so easy.

          • gunboat_d

            jesus, you’re a loony. there is ZERO evidence he was muslim. there is no official statement saying he was muslim. the only pages saying he was muslim are right-wing sites. the original source was a blog of a guy who writes for a german “news” site. there is no confirmation.

          • Warren

            Weather he is Muslim or not is yet to be determined.

          • gunboat_d

            which makes the fervor on this site especially stupid. hint: it’s Pamela geller’s site. par for the course.

          • Warren

            Yes, but it seems that most of the fervor is generated by some of the commenters here rather than by Pamela Geller. I might have missed it, but I didn’t see where she said that he was a Muslim.

          • grayjohn

            Give it time.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Flag that nasty fool. Don’t let this thread be taken over by mean trolls.

          • Look_A_Squirrel

            The evidence is coming out.

          • Maz Hussain

            where? I thought this page was all your evidence? please feel free to post some “Real” evidence when it arrives

          • wetboy

            I like how you think a Westerner converting to a repressive, 4th century religion and mental Illness are mutually exclusive! generally, every Western convert I’ve read about recently had “emotional issues” growing up…

          • grayjohn

            Go troll in yort mosques web site

          • Maz Hussain

            Hi Mr Racist, I didn’t realise that this site was your church! is there where you train to become more like ISIS?

          • grayjohn

            Says the Muslim troll. Go back to your mosque and violate some livestock.

          • Maz Hussain

            awww bless, the poor racist is now resorting to his own sick stereotypes as attempted insults. To put you at ease I’m not actually religious, I get involved because I despise idiots who I believe are extremists, morally corrupt and push a hate agenda – regardless of colour, creed, race or religion.

          • grayjohn

            Lmao. It’s so funny how you think you are human. Hilarious!

          • grayjohn

            No I train to recognize ISIS when it tries to infiltrate. How’s it going ISIS?

          • Patricia

            Anyone know when his psychiatric treatment STARTED? I haven’t found that anywhere and I think it’s important.

          • Look_A_Squirrel

            Tell us how peace loving all you muzzie terrorists are. That is, if you can take a break between beheadings.

          • Maz Hussain

            What are you talking about? a Terrorist is a Terrorist – religion is just their excuse. do you have anything sensible to add or you just hear to troll?

          • bodica

            Islam isn’t a religion; it’s a HOMICIDAL, BELLIGERENT DEATH CULT! Wolf in the sheep’s clothing of a ‘religion’ to take advantage of our Christian humanitarian laws and our Jude Christian concepts of Justice and Law and turn them against us as that pervert mo-ham-head twisted the minds of the innocents into the evil of islam.

          • Maz Hussain

            And you are a moron! Anyone who is stupid enough to use religion as a basis for law needs a good slap. Religion and Faith needs to be kept at home and out of politics. It’s amazing you have survived so long with 1.2bn alleged cult members out there trying to kill you

          • Bobby Bullystem

            I’m sorry then why is there Sharia Law for Muslims. You are a hypocrite.

          • Maz Hussain

            Are you stupid or something? have I mentioned Sharia Law or shown any support for it? Sharia Law is something created by so called “scholars” hundreds of years after the death of Mohammed and the introduction of the Quran, it is their interpretation. I personally think that it’s Stupid and outdated as the scholars left no opportunity for the laws to develop overtime or beyond it’s inwards focus. But please don’t let the truth about my opinions (which I stated above) get in the way of your ignorance.

          • Irving

            “Religion and Faith needs to be kept at home and out of politics.”

            How about you Crisco Cultists walk the walk?

          • Maz Hussain

            let me guess, you want anyone who doesn’t conform to your religious views to destroyed or their evil views… have you thought about joining ISIS? you both seem to be singing of the same hymn sheet

          • gunboat_d

            hey, Bigot! How’s the Bigotry today?

          • Irving

            Celebrate Diversity, hater grrrl.

          • grayjohn

            How’s your dhimmitude today?

          • Betty4440

            and raping of girls and women.

          • Dyann Jackson

            I AM a right-wing extremist who is NOT an Islamopologist, and I still agree this page was manufactured AFTER the CRASH, with only one (1) user!

          • Michael Petch

            If you believed in reincarnation then it would work – he came back from the dead and set up an account. I don’t believe that the spirit world is restricted from joining Facebook.

          • Irving

            What hate group mewls “Celebrate Diversity” yet has a laundry list of epithets for those who actually ARE different?

          • bodica

            …and they’re coming out of the woodwork, Funkasaurasrex – all the islamic death watch beatles nibbling at our infrastructure until they can take down the whole edifice.

          • Dan

            This guy was a JEW, and there is no getting around that fact. We need to start looking into his parents’ background, and any Jewish person he was in contact with over the past decade.

          • Patricia

            I thought that name was Jewish.

          • Look_A_Squirrel

            What are you trying to cover up, Hussain?

          • Maz Hussain

            cover up? you do realise that this entire article is based on guess work and fake facebook pages? Radical drama queens jumping to conclusions and claiming that this guy is a muslim for their own personal agenda and ignoring the fact that 150 people lost their lives due to the pilots Mental illness – that is the evidence that was discovered in his home.

          • Dan

            What are YOU trying to cover up, Moishe? Why are you so afraid for people to know the truth, that Lubitz was A JEW?

          • Giacomo Vallone

            Well said. utterly obvious as well but people are too stupid to see it. This is the truth

            http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

          • Kdo

            Maz, Nowhere in this article does Pamela state that the pilot is a muslim extremist, or that he created the Facebook page.
            Your claim that Pamela created it is idiotic.
            Read the title of her article again for clarification.
            The point is that his actions are being praised (whether rightly or wrongly remains to be seen) as Jihad.

          • Maz Hussain

            oh so you’re saying here intentions where innocent when she was sharing the propaganda which first appeared at the time of her first posting this article… silly me, just a coincidence that someone with her background just happened to publish and share this misinformation

          • gunboat_d

            just forget it, Maz. these people are trolling you at this point. it will take a few generations for their stupidity to be directed to something else unfortunately.

          • Michael Petch

            A few generations? If humanity manages to survive another thousand years (not likely) there will be a futuristic version of comment sections where the same stupidity will still be going from both sides.

          • Kdo

            Your comprehension skills need work.
            Likewise your communication skills.
            Your entire comment to me is a non-sequitor.

          • Maz Hussain

            apologise, just read it back and it’s awful grammar, thanks for pointing that out, any chance you admitting to this article being nothing but propaganda created to push the Islamaphopbia agenda? or are we ignoring that subject and focusing on language skills on a comments section?

          • Kdo

            Maz- I appreciate your gracious response, and will attempt to reciprocate.
            Is the article “propaganda”? Maybe. I’m not bothered by that possibility. I don’t think propaganda is inherently evil. One can quite legitimately propagandize for a good cause. Quibbling over whether a given article is propaganda or not is analysis by non-essentials. Is it TRUE? Does it refer to a fact of reality? That is what concerns me in judging it’s character and value.. I personally think it is a minor article, of marginal importance.
            Does Pamela Gellar have an “agenda”? Most certainly. She is a passionate,committed defender of individual rights. She wears her agenda proudly on her sleeve.
            “Islamophobia”? Do you really think that this is a legitimate term? A phobia is an irrational fear. Does that describe Ms. Gellar’s motivation? The term is not only misplaced, it is meaningless, other than as a neologism designed to silence criticism of jihad and to stigmatize debate over the actual nature of Islamic doctrine, and the place of jihad therein.
            (Though you did not ask): Do I think PG created the FB page? Absolutely NOT. With over 2500 acts of Jihad worldwide since 9/11, acts which provide ample cause for real (not “phobic”) alarm, who needs to resort to creating such a minor piece of evidence to support her case as this?

            If you want to know: Do I think the pilot was committing an act of jihad? No. I never did. I saw no evidence to make me think so, and Pamela’s article did not imply that there was any.

            Hope this clarifies my position.

          • Kdo

            Maz- Read 25,000 for the erroneous 2500 in my previous comment.

          • Dan

            Pam Geller was the first site to link to the FB site. Also, when she linked it, there were no comments yet. So yeah, she created it. ROFLMAO at you, Moishe. Kill any Christian Palestinian kids today or what?

          • pamelageller

            They must have let Dan out on a weekend pass. I picked it up from other press coverage,

            Nuts.

          • Kdo

            “Moishe”?
            Pam’s right. You’re nuts, and a racist bigot to boot.

          • OG

            Indeed. Of course – these idiots would just LOVE for it to be a Muslim extremist. Somehow it would make the sick freaks happier about 150 people having been killed.

          • Ming the Merciless

            Without evidence? 25,427 deadly terrorist attacks for allah since 9/11
            You are the sick shit:
            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
            Islam’s Latest Contributions to Peace”Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
            to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29

            2015.03.26 (Loralai, Pakistan) – Muslim terrorists machine-gun six police officers point-blank in their vehicles.
            2015.03.25 (Sirte, Libya) – Five people near a power station are lit up by a suicide bomber.
            2015.03.25 (Nangarhar, Afghanistan) – Three children, a farmer and a cow are all sent to Allah by Taliban bombers.
            2015.03.24 (al-Baghdadi, Iraq) – Caliphate terrorists send mortars into a neighborhood that take apart eight innocents, including three children and their mother.
            2015.03.24 (Lahore, Pakistan) – Islamists on motorbikes open fire on a church.
            2015.03.24 (Taiz, Yemen) – Shiite militia open fire on a group of unarmed demonstrators, killing six.

          • Maz Hussain

            thanks for crawling out of your cave with your ISIS buddies to share stories of Muslims being killed by Extremists who share your disgusting philosophy of hate. You can now return to your cave or would you prefer a rock this time? xx

          • Giacomo Vallone
          • Chuck Jarvi

            No it’s not. Why would a pilot call himself an artist, let alone name his page Adreas Lubitz Fans?

          • Dyann Jackson

            That is NOT his facebook page. It was created the day after the crash! And there is only one ‘user’ noted.

          • ltneid

            That’s a fan page set up by some sicko after the plane crashed.

          • Michael Petch

            You aren’t serious. That is not HIS Facebook page. That is a “Fan Site” (check the account name next to the photo). Anyone can create such an account. So how about something from his actual account, not one someone else does?

            Some days I real wish I was a liberal, then I wouldn’t have to make excuses for the uninformed on the right side of the political spectrum.

            I’m not a Muslim. I’m a right libertarian born as a Catholic, denounced my religion 25 years ago (it is hypocritical and intolerant at best), and consider myself atheist. Looking at all the information starting from Michael Mannheimer’s page on his own domain (article has been removed) I will conclude that at this time there is no evidence to support the claim that he was a Muslim convert. Heck, there isn’t even evidence saying his problem during the flight was actually depression either.

          • grayjohn

            Read this site FFS.

          • Warren

            If what you say is true then Muslims should be banned from being airline pilots. But that idea will meet with heavy resistance from the PC crowd.

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          • Politically Accurate

            Flagged for spamming. Folks, please flag this worthless POS and parasite.

          • bodica

            Well,if the PC crowd are that worried they can take their mega government, ie, taxpayer hand outs and form jihadi airways fr themselves and their PC, loopy libertine budskis. However, anyone flying jihadi airways must be forbidden from flying any other carrier.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Resist them back,
            as happened recently at USC with communist L Gutierrez’s Illegal Invasion townhall.
            (Like the man said: “Resist We Much.”)

            http://michael-mannheimer.net/2015/03/26/copilot-der-airbus-ungluecksmaschine-war-islamkonvertit-er-steuerte-die-maschine-bewusst-gegen-den-berg/

          • Patricia

            It’s in German? Can’t read it.

          • gseattle
          • Patricia

            TY!

          • ANNG14

            Miichael Mannheimer and Pam Gellar are both Jewish. Lying is just a part of what Jews will do to try to promote hatred toward Muslims. No one else is saying this including his family.

          • GuatemalanHousekeeper

            “PC crowd”?? How about “reality crowd”? Jews have committed more treachery against nations than any muzzie ever. Such nonsense you speak.

          • judethom

            Oh please. Muslims are the worst.

          • Warren

            Jews seem to be content to keep their religion among their own people while muzzies are tetermined to shove their religion down our throats at the point of a sword. Jews have given us considerable contributions to medicine and science while muzzies bring us little else but destruction and death and murder.

          • Michael Petch

            Ah yes Christians would never force their religious views down the throats of others… oh wait, let me get an LGBT friend and see what he says.

          • Warren

            I didn’t say anything about Christians. In fact I don’t believe that God exists. But the worst case for Christians is those Westborough fools and maybe a handful who have killed abortion doctors.
            Compare that to the hundreds of severed heads of small children impaled on stakes. What is the difference between Mohammed and Jesus? As far as I know Jesus never killed anyone.

          • submitter

            in the future or 2nd coming, Jesus kills

          • Warren

            There is not going to be a 2nd coming.

          • HeLives

            Correction: God does. And with good reason. Hope you’re on the right side of the fence. ;)

          • grayjohn

            You’ll have to pull him away from trying to shove his views down the throats of others,

          • shamballa108

            At least your throat remains intact.

          • Michael Petch

            In Canada I have more concerns about having my throat cut by a non-Muslim with a mental condition while riding a Greyhound bus.

          • shamballa108

            Can’t afford a car or just like buses?

          • Michael Petch

            Can easily pay cash for a car, but have no need for one.

          • Chippy

            A camel then?

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Or a pullcart. Maybe a tricycle!

          • shamballa108

            touche

          • Patricia

            shhhh…u made me snorkle :)

          • Chippy

            Sure your name is not Mohammad?

          • Giacomo Vallone
          • Julean

            My you have a fancy italian name?

          • Chippy

            Get a grip of yourself

          • NYCFiredog

            And you probably won’t find Jihadi Bus Driver Shaheeds. Or won’t you? They do like to plow their cars into crowds of infidels.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Ummm, lemme see,,,how about “What difference does it make?”

          • Warren

            xxxxx

          • They might give you a headache but a muslim will take yours and your friends heads off for supporting and practicing LGBT. Put things in perspective will you?

          • Michael Petch

            Yes, and a lot of crimes (killings and beatings) of the LGBT community most of which aren’t related to Muslims over the years. Christians are far more vicilized in how they kll the LGBT I guess? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

            And then you have the ever so civilized pastors like Steven Anderson use the bible and pure hatred to extol the virtues of killing all the gay people in the name of Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States

            And then you have all those lovely Catholics who must do rape and sodomy of children and then get covered up by Bishops and then moved around so the predators could get a chance to do it all over again with new congregations. And how does the head of the church first respond? Blame it on the victims.

            Ah yes, Christians extremism. They rob, kill, beat, rape, sodomize others. ISIS/ISL do the same thing. Seems extremist Christians and Muslims live in the same cesspool.

          • Julean

            I doubt if christians are shoving their views down the LGBT throat, it is just that the LGBT are hating the christians for declaring sodomy a sin.

          • Jacqui

            Go watch Douglas Murray – an exceedingly articulate blogger with the Spectator and outspoken ‘Islamaphobe’ – oh and a gay man as well. Stop letting your bias blind you from the real and present danger we all face irrespective of our color, race, creed, gender or sexual orientation. Islam has come ‘out of the closet’ and is here not only to ‘shove’ their religion ‘down your throat’ but to cut it if you refuse to swallow – wake up!

          • Jane mason

            I have never heard Christians forcing non christians to convert to christianity or be beheaded, raped, enslaved lately. Have you ? Somehow i don’t think you have.

          • Giacomo Vallone
          • Warren

            I have never experienced having Jews trying to convert me to their religion. The destruction and death and murder of the muzzies has been well documented not just here but also in the news.

          • Hey_Oynk_vey

            Jews view non-Jews as non-human. They don’t convert animals to their religion which teaches them they are the master race. Why no condemnation of Jewish terrorism, (btw Lubitz was a Jew, not a Muslim) such as the Irgun who murdered hundreds of Brit’s in the 1940s, and the many American’s, such as Rachel Corrie, murdered by Israeli Government terrorists. Read the Talmud and learn how Jews feel about you.

            I assume you refuse to use Algebra, Trigonometry, or use some medicines as they were created by Muslims.

            There are good and bad in nearly all religions and people. Man interprets everything to serve his selfish desires. The Constitution of the U.S., for example, has been turned from a document guaranteeing a free people to one enslaving them. The few radical Muslims today are no more evil than the radical Christians, or the radical Jews. Evil is evil, period.

          • F S

            Muslims did not create math…non-Muslim Arabs did all that.

          • Hey_Oynk_vey

            Wrong. Higher mathematics, such as Algebra, were built upon in the 9th and 10th centuries by Islamic scholars such as Al-Kwarizmi, who built upon on the works of Greek mathematicians such as Euclid, Archimedes, and Apollonius, and Indian mathematicians such as Aryabhata, and Brahmagupta.

          • DJD11

            Hence, Al-Jabr.

          • Hey

            How blind can you be! How much lies can a man write in a couple of lines?! Man, you should be the one to repent from your nonsense! Just read your book and see what kind of a murderer, a man who also married a child (how would you call that today? hmm ?!), you are following and have put your faith in!! Really, he and you aren’t an exemple, for none of us! And you dear to accuse Christians!?!?!

          • Hey_Oynk_vey

            My book? What book is that? I follow no man made religion, so try again.

            Read the Talmud and see how loving the Jews are. It condones sex with little girls as young as 4 years of age. The Jews are the ONLY people on the earth that God their God had to give them laws against sleeping with
            animals, every other people got it by common sense! If the Jews are/wwere so great, why did Christ condemn them and call them the synagogue of Satan!? You appear to claim a Christian, yet fail to know the teachings of the founder.

            As I said, evil is evil period. You clearly believe evil is evil if a Muslim does it. Let me guess, you’re a product of government operated American education system and you believe what you are told instead of seeking the truth for yourself. Either that, or you are a plant to further the lies and deception those want of brains believe.

          • HeLives

            Oh. So I guess someone with a certain last name that points to a certain background is not capable of leaving that background/belief system for another…. Like it’s not happening all over the world w/Islam, regardless of what faith people were raised in, or the spelling of their lasts names.
            I see….
            He didn’t have any Jewish hatred toward German propaganda on his computer. Islam propaganda, however….
            Right….
            I have a friend w/a Jewish last name b/c she married one. Now divorced, does that make her a Jew & therefore, a German hater? Nope. Don’t even practice any religion at all. Can’t be bothered to go thru the hoops to take her name back. Hilarious how many people think she’s Jewish, tho. lol

          • ANNG14

            Miichael Mannheimer and Pam Gellar are both Jewish. Lying is just a part of what Jews will do to promote hatred towards Muslims.

            You left out the part where Jews are targeting and murdering Palestinian children. Ya follow that.

          • Lily

            You are a moron..

          • grayjohn

            Such KaKa you spew,

          • Betty4440

            you are quite stupid aren’t you?

          • graigtalk

            That is the most uneducated comment I have seen in a while! How about Muslims killing 270 million and counting over a 1400 year history. That includes approx. 60 million Jews and Christians.

          • DemocracyRules

            graigtalk:
            Indian historians have estimated that 600 million have died from Islamic attacks.

          • graigtalk

            Where did you get your stats? I’m not challenging you. I’m looking for info. What I have is pretty reliable.

          • Patricia

            Dammmmmmm

          • Giacomo Vallone
          • Jane mason

            Well Giacomo, it’s obvious that people who hate Jews would automatically search web sites such as europeanknights and national-liberation,which everybody well know they are followers of nazis. They are admirers of hitler and had claimed that the Jews slaughtered over 500 millions Russians .Anybody who hate Jews will absolutely believe anything bad they write about Jews and Israel.

          • MaoCC

            @disqus_0y6foT6yhZ:disqus
            ……..”which everybody well know they are followers of nazis”…….
            Well dear Jane what you claim is utter nonsense. Reading a crime story doesn´t make a person a murderer.

            In order to make the correct decision or to be able to fight my worst enemies I have to know the facts. I can only fight (and win the fight) an enemy I know very well. So I have to find out about and understand my enemy´s world view and use it in my counter-strategy.

          • Michael Petch

            An atheist tried to fact check the unreferenced claims that Pamela made about the 270 million. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39361_Fact-Checking_Pamela_Geller-_270_Million_Victims_of_Islam

            Why hasn’t Pamela provided the number that Christians and Jews have killed? Ah things like that don’t help her narrative.

          • Jane mason

            I bet nowhere near 270 millions.

          • Chippy

            Go and stick your head in the sand and take a deep breath.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            “”Guatemala via the Middle East?

          • Karan

            Get yourself a job working for a muzzie family in Saudi. You will enjoy their ‘hospitality’.

          • Giacomo Vallone

            Well said GH

          • Michael Petch

            And if he isn’t a Muslim then Muslim’s should be the only one’s allowed to fly planes?

          • Warren

            At some point we have to take measures to protect ourselves from terrorists. I think that 149 peoples right to live should trump one Muslims right to be a pilot. OK we haven’t arrived at that point yet, But that could be coming in the future.
            As I say, that will meet with heavy resistance from the PC crowd.

          • Michael Petch

            It will only come if you believe and promote the rhetoric. We don’t even know if he is Muslim or not. There are a lot of Muslim pilots in the world, and I’d have no problem flying again on Arab carriers around the middle east.

          • Patricia

            Well BFD to the PC crowd.

            > > > ” I think that 149 peoples right to live should trump one Muslims right to be a pilot. OK we haven’t arrived at that point yet, But that could be coming in the future. > > >

            Oh YES we have arrived at THAT point. Since when does one islamic imbecile murdering 149 innocent people have ANY RIGHTS AT ALL?

            Those 10 Commandments given to Moses needs to be put BACK in our schools and any other place we want them to appear. THOU SHALL NOT KILL/murder!

          • Warren

            Looks like we all jumped the gun on this one. Looks like this guy had nothing to do with Islam.

          • Giacomo Vallone

            Geller lied to you Quite shocking you believe Pamelas lies http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

          • Patricia

            Europe has much to lose (as they have evidenced for YEARS) by throwing the religion card at all – they have been proven to gloss over these facts, even after KNOWING the religion of the culprits.

          • Giacomo Vallone
          • fark

            you can fly on planes piloted by muslims assclown

          • Michael Petch

            Absolutely I can and don’t mind at all.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Greater fool you, Michael.

          • Michael Petch

            Maybe I should have pointed out that my post was purely sarcastic.

          • Patricia

            That would have been my first thought.

          • BeautifulAmerica
          • Michael Petch

            You are posting the link were Michael had his blog about Lubitz being a Muslim convert. You are aware that the link has been a 404 not found error for about 12 hours now.

          • DJD11

            He took it down because it wasn’t true.

          • Chuck Jarvi

            Whose ass did you pull that made up bullshit out of?

          • DemocracyRules

            Yours

          • GuatemalanHousekeeper

            nonsense

          • DemocracyRules

            heh~

          • Michael Petch

            Unbiased reporting and factual information always come out of JihadWatch and romancatholicimperialist?

          • stephen

            But our fearless leader stated it was not terrorism and I believe him…./sarc off.
            Sure hope they get to the bottom of this action and tell the truth about it

          • Giacomo Vallone

            jewish name though

          • Let me repeat myself, Islam must not be contained. Islam
            must be eliminated. Today, the United States’ POTUS is
            both a Muslim and a Black, and further-more, the Department
            of Defense secretary or CIA Secretary, I surmise, is a Muslim convert? Is there any worry here? Get rid of the vermin.

          • DJD11

            Terrorism still ruled out.

          • Julean

            It has to be a terrorist crime since murdering over a hundred people is not suicide.

          • DJD11

            No, that just classifies it as mass murder.
            Terrorism has a political or religious philosophy or a target group underlying the crime. It is used as a means to an end, not an end in itself, as this appears to be.

        • More Faves

          PROOF please?

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Proof it isn’t true please?

          • Alexander Meadow

            When you’re not looking, your mother sucks horse cock. Proof it isn’t true please? You can’t prove a negative. Epistemology doesn’t work that way.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            With a name like Alexander Meadow, you’d be the one to know about horse cock.

          • gunboat_d

            let’s see your real name, internet tough guy.

        • Natasha Alexandra

          He was Jewish

          • DemocracyRules

            Heh

        • Giacomo Vallone

          Utter lies you should be ashamed. Geller youre mentioned in this article even for your incitement of Ander Breivik and deceit over Jewish German Lubitz!

          http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

          • DemocracyRules

            Guacamole Vallone

            So should we bomb Iran now? What do you think?

        • Snark

          What associates? I have not read a thing about that.
          This Facebook page is a fake. It was set up a day after his name was released. Has one like. Someone is just trying very hard to troll and whip up wild stories.

        • GuatemalanHousekeeper

          Lubitz is a German and/or Jewish. I am NOT buying this “islamic” rumour at all.

          • DemocracyRules

            Vaya con dios

        • Dan

          Wrong. He was Jewish and spent a year at a kibbutz, and another year training for secret ops with the Mossad. He is related to Israel’s Chief Rabbi Ronen Lubitz of Haifa.

          • DemocracyRules

            heh

          • DemocracyRules

            Dan:
            Do you agree with John Bolton? Should we bomb Iran now?

        • ann Smith

          I have researched all that you just claim to be the truth and could find evidence of none of it. Even the author of the original claim he converted during the break, Michael Mannheimer of German PI has gone silent when pressed for evidence. I like to air all opinions but only those with some basis in truth, and those for which the author has some sort of evidence.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          CEO of Germanwings made a decision to please his Bilderberg buddies.

        • Bernardete Baronti

          He had a jewish surname, did not you know? He was a German Jew. I read it.

        • Giacomo Vallone
        • sonaliraq

          His girlfriend was not Muslim, her name is Maria Goldbach, perhaps one of Ms Gellers landsmen. Lubitz did not convert to Islam. That Facebook page was fake and has been taken down. It’s amazing how gullible you people are.

        • STFUWingNuts

          Excuse me? EVIDENCE PLEASE! We’re just supposed to believe everything this German dude (whoever the hell he is) says… why again? Oh yeah, I forgot, BECAUSE HE’S SAYING WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR! You people will believe absolutely anything, regardless of where it comes from, as long as it supports your preconceived ideas about Islam.

        • Nick Nack

          Muslim girlfriend??!! You’re a living demonstration of the fact that some people will quite literally, believe anything. I hope you don’t vote in elections!

      • Not a muslim

        You are all f u c k i n g i d i o t s, not every plane crash is related to Jihadism. If it were a terrorist attack, he would’ve shouted all that crap that muslims shout when they blow themselves up before the crash or a note at home. It’s a simple suicide

        • RR

          “Simple suicide?” I’m not sure I define suicide as killing 148 innocent people.

        • copywriter

          Maybe he did shouted all that crap and they are not telling us. Did you hear the actual tapes yourselves? Or did you just read the “transcript” in the papers

          • gunboat_d

            maybe he said the Hail Mary and pledged allegiance to Pamela Geller. I have as much proof as you do.

      • Michael Petch

        Of course it isn’t any surprise that right wing religious extremists would find any excuse to use the Internet to promote some religious rhetoric and lies towards those that hold a competing religious viewpoint. Next week it will be back to blaming Obama for everything.

      • Nigela

        Well said x

      • Giacomo Vallone

        What Islamic aspect of the murder? He was jewish!! nonsense http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

    • I highly doubt he was islamic. Seriously what kind of facebook page only has 1 “like”. Pamella can imply anything she likes. Let’s fact check EVERYTHING instead of jumping on the 1st guess.
      Here is a much better website of his hometown and his background.
      http://heavy.com/news/2015/03/andreas-lubitz-copilot-germanwings-flight-4u9525-plane-crash-french-alps/

      • AlpaOmega

        The dedication page was completely fresh and didn’t have time to gather enough likes.

        • John James

          Oh please. get a grip. Any Facebook user can “like” any page. Just because someone makes a faux “tribute” page does not mean the page creator has the approbation or approval of the person in whose “honor” it was made.

        • Hannan

          Yeah and Pammy was just there at the inception. How does that happen…. Unless…. she was there at the inception.

          • AlpaOmega

            Yeah “sure”, Abdul…. there are plenty of more congratulations for this murder gathered on facebook by Muslim animals. The police are researching the owners of the posts as we speak. Rest assure Pamela won’t be arrested for any.

      • Aussie54

        that facebook page was set up to honor Lubitz. Let’s just wait and see if there is truth in what is stated by those “fans”.
        Facebook took down Lubitz’s own page. Why? I think that there was something on that page regarding Lubitz’s political and theological beliefs. I would suggest that he was not a Lutheran or a Baptist.

        • John James

          Nope. I saw his page yesterday night based on German media reports. There was absolutely NOTHING in it about Islam (lots about his Beechcraft Bonanza fandom though). German security has been monitoring mosues like the one in Bremen. They have zero on him on that count. Long time friends and co-workers have indicted that he showed ZERO interest in Islam. He had previously been treated for depression however, and SSRIs can have some nasty knock-on effects. You’d be less satisfied however I am sure, if it turned out that he was merely committing suicide with blatant disregard for the fact that he was taking 149 other people with him.

          • dudebuddypal

            He may have been committing suicide, but he was also a cold blooded premeditated murderer of 150 people that deserve to be alive now, instead of dead because of his evil intentions.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Boy is your face red. And stupid. Stupid and red is how we describe your face, forever. smh

          • CJK

            “Long time friends and co-workers have indicted that he showed ZERO interest in Islam.”

            What’s your source for that?

          • Flyercrazy

            Yes, I would be truly less satisfied if that were the case. It is amazing how sure you are of someone you do not know based on a simple statement.

          • Steve

            JJ prove your claims.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Oops. You could not have been more wrong. Looks good on you. Did you learn anything today? If it looks like a duck….

      • Vergil

        Aussie, noone yet knows if his own page was taken down by fb, or by a relative or someone who knows his password, but tbh i personally think his gf put the site down because his full name became known, and his page probably got storm’d

      • Rachel

        They dragged his computer out of his house with a report that something was found on it. I’m pretty sure it was alot more than an email to his Mom saying “I’m depressed Mommy”.

      • Luckyca

        Really, looks like it has been confirmed, he was a MUSLIM TERRORIST.

        • Maz Hussain

          you saying it has been confirmed (or any right wing propaganda media) saying it is confirmed without any REAL evidence does not make it real. the families of those that have been lost do not deserve your lies, have some respect!

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Got reality? Didn’t think so.

          • Maz Hussain

            go back under your rock and leave the discussion to adults who can actually think for themselves.

          • Funkasaurasrex

            You’re not thinking, you’re clearly towing the line.

          • Maz Hussain

            yes the line is called reality and honesty, you’re clearly snorting the line

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Yes it is. Try putting the mirror down and snort some reality. You need it bad.

          • Maz Hussain

            bless, you really are struggling, come back a) when you grow up and b) when you can actually substantiate any of your verbal diarrhea

          • Funkasaurasrex

            You are certainly not the boss here. And evidently, your girlfriend mounts you, so we can see your position in life. How very telling. Better get to those dishes before she wakes up.

          • Maz Hussain

            lol, so tell me are you the little boy fingering the dog from behind or the dog who likes to be fingered? I think your status needs to be dropped from Idiot to Troll

          • OG

            I suggest you just let these idiots fester in their own misery. You can’t reason with people so blinded by their own prejudice.

          • gunboat_d

            “your girlfriend mounts you”
            have you ever had sex? I mean, monkeys can do it, so I assume you can too, but still…
            you are definitely the worst lay of everybody you’ve ever fucked.

          • OG

            Toeing.

      • Giacomo Vallone

        Utter lies and the Geller should be ashamed. Geller youre mentioned in this article even for your incitement of Ander Breivik and deceit over Jewish German Lubitz

        http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

    • SubSumeYou

      Thank you, I like your view of it.

    • wjgo

      What is the muslim aspect of the pilot?

      • Sturla Molden

        This was surely the acts of a muslim. Or if not, you could say his acts were almost ‘muslish’.

        Honestly, I have no idea what his religion was, and nor do I care. He might also have been unconscious if he had suffered a stroke or a heart attack.

        • Vergil

          well the german news and politics are making up a story that he had a mental breakdown in his younger years, but even that sounds cheese, i believe there is more 2 the crash, then just some suicide out of depression. also the german news for instance only keep talking bout the 16 teenagers and both teachers. all other victims are not honor’d or mentioned mostly, it feels kinda odd, some things are strange. and i bet we will never hear the actual truth what happened to this plane but rather some made up story, to not affect lufthansa*

          • Funkasaurasrex

            Truth is out. Its the obvious one you steered clear of. Your credibility? Its over there, in the gutter with the dog feces.

        • dudebuddypal

          He wouldn’t have set the autopilot to slowly dive into the side of a mountain if he was “unconscious” . That is definitely a conscious act, as is overriding the other pilot’s ability to get back into the cockpit. use that brain that God gave ya, kid.

        • Helly

          If he had suffered a stroke or heart attack he wouldn’t have locked the door so the senior pilot couldn’t get in.

        • LATIF

          Sorry, he was JEWISH
          Revenge for the Holocaust

      • dudebuddypal

        Everything points currently at him being crazy, not muslim.

        • blackfargo

          Sometimes one in the same.

        • Helly

          being moslem is being crazy insane.

        • Luckyca

          He was a Muslim and another crazy one, it has been confirmed.

        • Funkasaurasrex

          Oops. Wrong. Wrong as you could be? Embarrassed? you should be.

          • Chuck Jarvi

            Not as embarrassing as those toothy blowjobs your mom trades for meth.

        • gerry

          He was a Muslim convert. Mainstream media is just not reporting it yet.

      • Funkasaurasrex

        He’s a moslem. What more do you need?

        • wallflower

          Why do you want him to be a moslem so badly? He’s not, now go cry in a corner poor kid. Better luck next time huh

    • DoomDOOM

      “Thou shalt not LIE”

      Good Luck in HELL!

    • blackfargo

      Many of them are apologetic, self loathing, left sided, “progressives” who ridicule and slam conservatives for being…conservative. All the while they defend Islam because they are “open minded”. (although they love to slam Christianity anytime they can) It’s as if they have no idea that the theology in front of them makes conservatives look like freewheeling and nature loving hippies. Ironic really. Maybe they’re defeatists hoping their heads get chopped off last…who knows…?

    • Wakki Rayser

      You’re a moron. Nobody knows why or how this happened yet. And it’s cretins like you that play into terrorists hands by spreading more terror. Do the world a favour: Dry up and blow away.

      • Funkasaurasrex

        Embarrassed yet? HA| HA HA HA! Wrong as you possibly could have been. In fact, were you paid to be wrong, you couldn’t have been any more wrong than you are right now. And you did it for free and on a world scale. smh

    • gunboat_d

      wait, what’s the source that says he was muslim convert? a facebook page? do you believe everything you read on facebook? i’ll go over there now and create a Pamela Geller page that shows her as a secret muslim. It’s not hard to do.

      • Funkasaurasrex

        How about German Intelligence. Is that enough credibility for you?

        • gunboat_d

          Link? because there has been no announcement.

          • Michael Petch

            If he posted a link the Bundesnachrichtendienst would kill anyone who read it.

    • western_bs

      maybe they dont cover it because its bullshit?

      but really if you believe a story based on a random facebook page im sure you still believe there are WMDs in iraq

    • Giacomo Vallone

      Utter lies you should be ashamed. Geller youre mentioned in this article even for your incitement of Ander Breivik and deceit over Jewish German Lubitz.
      http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

    • Dr. STFUWingNuts

      Really? OK, so what are YOU doing about it, tough guy? Real easy to talk a good game, a little harder to take action to back it up. I’m so F’ing tired of all the Right Wing Nuts telling us that the sky is falling, but offering absolutely zero practical ideas about how we might go about propping it up (and, no, “nuking the entire Middle East” is NOT a practical idea). Why is it so important to you people that this incident be put down to “RadIslam”? Do you really think anyone in the world is actually of the opinion that Islamic terrorism is not a threat? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you’re not special. Everyone already understands perfectly the threat posed Islamic extremists. So if you’re so concerned about the situation, how about anteing up and joining the Army or something? If you’re going to act like an A-hole, at least put your money where your mouth is….

      • wetboy

        We are doing something….We are making every effort to ensure another Islam-loving, Anti-American socialist never again seizes control of the powerful country in history. And in so doing, aids, comforts, and expedites the Islamists’ goals of the destroying Western Culture in every political and economic way…

        It will be a tall order, with foolish progressives helping Islamists (never realizing all their progressive ideas will be the FIRST to be destroyed by Islamists ), but we’ll get it done despite you. But the cost to our culture and future generations will brutal.

    • Alrightthen

      The pilot was Jewish, bro

    • fgold2014

      You should try not being so much of a bigot and xenophobe

    • GuatemalanHousekeeper

      Believe me- had he been Islamic in ANY WAY the media would have been all over it! You have GOT to be joking…

    • Austin Konrad

      You do realize that’s a fake FB page right? Andreas Lubitz Fans? God you
      people are gullible. First of all the facebook their sighting, it isn’t
      his genius. It was created after the crash and is called Andreas
      Lubitz Fans. FANS or fans of Andreas Lubitz. Andreas Lubitz is the
      guys name not Andreas Lubitz Fans. The news source their sighting? Is
      also new. PI media is fake. Go to their FB page they put it up the day
      after the plane went down as well. Why do you people lack critical thinking skills?

    • Giacomo Vallone
    • OG

      Probably because there isn’t an Islamic element to it

    • Biff Jay

      I love how idiots believe the Islamic aspect of this. Wow, some idiot made a Facebook page. That takes like 2 minutes?

    • Guest

      Dont you grasp how evil it is to pin this on Muslims when in fact the man that perpetrated it was prbly Jewish? Capisce? Wake up!!! They’re inciting us to hate Muslims, bomb their countries by demonizing Muslims any chance they get. I’m not fan of Islam but I am TIRED of being told who to hate by Zionist Jews like Pam Geller. If that isn’t anti Semitic (Arabs are ACTUAL Semites) then what is? This is the sort of lies we are fighting http://pamelageller.com/2015/03/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-praised-on-facebook-our-holy-martyr-lubitz-died-for-our-prophet.html/

    • Giacomo Vallone

      Dont you grasp how evil it is to pin this on Muslims when in fact the man that perpetrated it was prbly Jewish? Capisce? Wake up!!! They’re inciting us to hate Muslims, bomb their countries by demonizing Muslims any chance they get. I’m not fan of Islam but I am TIRED of being told who to hate by Zionist Jews like Pam Geller. If that isn’t anti Semitic (Arabs are ACTUAL Semites) then what is? This is the sort of lies we are fighting http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

    • Maybe because it’s fake and the only ‘proof’ is a Facebook fanpage that anyone could have made? I’m sure Pammy made it herself! You people are so freaking gullible.

    • KM
    • ANNG14

      Michael Mannheimer and Pam Gellar are both Jewish. Gellar is linked to an anti-Islamic hate group.

    • Nick Nack

      Maybe that’s because there’s nothing in it. I almost hesitate to point out the obvious, but there it is.

  • Commieobamie

    So it that the pic of his page before it was scrubbed? Oh fans.

  • Pepca

    This profile was not on FB this morning and I seriously doubt that it is genuine. Anybody could make it up. Shame.

    • Pray Hard

      Yeah, I’m sure Bigfoot or Ancient Aliens did it, just for you.

      • John James

        You don’t actually know how Facebook works, do you?

  • Pray Hard

    Is that some sort of Islamic scarf he’s wearing around his neck?

    • Kat

      I’m guessing not. Those kinds of scarves have been popular for decades in Europe for both men and women.

      • Hortance

        Maybe he’s a gay terrorist, then.

        • Kat

          :-). Wouldn’t even want to speculate…. Most European men seem to dress like that.

  • christian knight

    Died for their prophet and not Allah,,, it just goes to show that they worship Muhammad..

    • ColonelNeville

      Yep, according to our governments, police and media of betrayal, Islam is the only ideology that has nothing to do with itself.

      • No Quarter

        What a great line!!!! It is so true.

        • ColonelNeville

          Hey thanks, NQ, you’re too kind. Islam having “nothing to do with itself” is actually a line by the fun and witty conservative Australian blogger Tim Blair, who is a close friend of Iowahawk, Mark Steyn and Andrew Bolt, among others.

    • Helly

      muhamMAD is how it should be spelt

  • Jj

    That’s not his Facebook, assholes. One random dude makes a fan page and likes it and now he’s a Muslim?

    • Commieobamie

      And so are you.

    • Wynonna

      Agreeing with Jj! That sh** page has been deleted by FB, but at the moment there are at least 20 pages with the co pilot’s name, in different languages, saying he’s a murderer, while a lot of questions are still left unanswered!!! So if the main pilot didn’t have to go to the toilet, the plane wouldn’t have crashed ?

      • Funkasaurasrex

        Two nitwits, one thread. Please don’t breed. Turds like you make it easy for Islam.

        • sf

          You really seem to have this fecal fascination…

    • Funkasaurasrex

      That and that mosque he was a member of after converting to Islam. Got it now Proffesor Orifice??

      • Michael Petch

        You mean the mosque that happened to be in the same area where he did his pilot training? Ah yes that is connecting the dots and then coloring outside the lines.

  • mam646

    Too early to tell but that’s the first thing I thought of when they said the pilot brought the plane down intentionally.

  • SubSumeYou

    Man, what is going on with an individual? !? I walk past the homeless, drug addicts, alcoholics, in their 50s, they’ harm no one else but themselves. FIFTY YEARS OF AGE.

    What is going on with the young folks losing what beliefs?!?

    • dudebuddypal

      People have been killing each other for a million years. Go take a history class. There’s nothing “going on with these young folks” . It’s the same throughout history, there will always be and always have been crazy/evil people.

      • blackfargo

        I agree, but also believe there is something increasingly wrong with people these days. You need to compare things today over a long period of time. Between being over medicated, misplacing life priorities, shrinking brains (and IQ’s/achievement scores) and a society that readily accepts, integrates, and apologizes for those who do not follow, recognize, or respect civility, community, or social norms (with an increasing lack of fear for after life judgement), we really do have some compounding issues on our doorsteps.

    • Society Starts At Home

      Blame the liberalism of modern “feminism.” It’s largely destroyed the basis of a strong home, which has drastically affected Western society, bringing it to even more social decline by perpetual softness introduced by skyrocketing rates of divorce, single mothers, broken homes, prolonged marriages, “sexually-liberated” women who go on to shame men for the same sexual liberation, a sharp rise in “beta” males produced by “modern” parenthood where parents try to be their kids’ friends more than strong parents, and where pussy men go on to do stupid things in trying to survive in this increasing kind of “liberated” society.

      As it gets more socially-protected for many women and beta males to do things men couldn’t do, men are increasing labeled as the bad guys oppressing women’s freedoms–even though women have all basic rights in Western society for about a century now, and have grown so complacent that they do things like bitch about the taxpayers not paying for their abortions, all until society finally did and all while telling people to stay out of their sex lives. Women want the right to walk down the streets topless legally for purely vain exhibitionistic reasons, but ready to label busty video game characters as promoting a “rape culture” among males.

      They’re not the whole blame for declining society, but boy, are they a major contributor. If we get a woman president, she’ll break this debt-laden socially-decayed nation for sure.

  • Ghost

    This can just as easily be a fake page which authorities will find belongs to someone on the Right. No need to jump to conclusions.

    Sadly, someone who plunged into a depression has altered brain chemicals–changes everything they feel and do if untreated. If he had some underlying condition, or disorder such as narcissism, he may not have realized the outcome. If he was on Celexa for depression, typically prescribed for lighter depressive episodes, that could explain–in some people it causes “happy and settled” ideas about suicide as being the answer to their problems. They don’t dread it or even feel that it’s a problem, nor do they comprehend how suicidal action could impact people the care about. Just wondering… especially since it was reported that no one noticed any problem after his absence with depression–this drug makes people seem light and “okay” when they’re not. Brain chemistry is a dangerous thing to mess with. And cation needs to be taken per individual since various drugs affect persons differently.

    • Ghost

      Don’t EVER bandwagon this stuff…it can be used by this Administration to condemn the awareness (of the dangers of radical Islam) movement. Time will tell. It would not be surprising if it’s associated–islamic jihadis try plane hijacking pretty routinely–but there could be many reasons.

    • Well Done

      More often, we see people accusing “the Right” of such tactics. That’s how we know it’s almost exclusively a tactic used by Dem punks.

    • Hortance

      Murdering hundreds of innocent people isn’t suicide.
      I wonder if pilots ever advertise their conversion to Islam, especially if they have a radical streak.

      • Frappe

        Actually, if a person is on a medication which magnifies certain side effects (such as the happy suicide “solution”), then they are absolutely not able to think rationally. So it CAN be a suicide even if it harms others. Which is why anti-depressant patients need close monitoring. I know it sounds crazy, but those are the verifiable facts on psych meds. Was he on Celexa? Was he a jihadi? Who knows. Time will tell.

        • Hortance

          OK, thats reasonable. Maybe so.
          Really wonder what the governments did with the info on his identity, though. Did they have time to scrub his FB page? Did the White House have time enough to direct their buddies at Google to erase links to Islam from the pilot?

    • Aussie54

      Nah. You do not understand terminology.
      There is a very large group of people who are conservative. They are neither right nor left. The right as it was prior to and during world war 2 were Socialists who had a slightly different idea about government control. The Left were the Communists. Spain had a war between the right wing socialists who were the followers of General Franco and the Communists who were the Left. Hitler was a Right wing socialists with tendencies relating to controlling people. Stalin was of the left and he ran Russia in a different way. Italy was controlled by Right Wing Socialists. In Europe this has not changed very much. The Socialists remain in control of most of Europe with power shifting from Right to Left, but it is still Socialists in control.
      I would not get excited about the possibility that he was on anti-depressants. It might be that he was on nothing.
      (I take an anti-depressant not for depression but for pain management purposes and I have no suicidal thoughts. The same was true when I was previously on an anti-depressant – no suicidal thoughts).
      I have doubts about the depression angle.

      • John James

        Right. Because your own anecdotal experience with SSRIs must mean everyone else’s metabolism and experience is IDENTICAL to yours. /smdh!

  • e1313ruth

    This verse is for all muslims.. since they are all liars about everything…Rev 21-8…all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

  • hyena

    You have to fight moslems like they fight us. Otherwise we already lost. Moslem can lie and do whatever is neccessary to spread islam. In fact whatever spreads islam is the truth. Moslems will use taqiyya at every opportunity. SPread lies and disinformation and gullible westerners will believe the lies and think that moslems have proclivity for telling the truth like normal people. The same tactic must be used against moslems. No matter if it was an act of jihad or a madness. The urgent need to fight islam dictates to blame moslems for the crash and mock mohammed. Spread the word accross all media, among people. Pamela Geller might be the one under scrutiny and enemedia is only waiting for her to write something not accurate, but anonymous commenters shouldn’t be afraid to roll out big guns.

  • Darrell Standing

    http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/harun1-copy-2.jpg

    Yeah the media always tells it straight!

  • Ya know, there’s obviously not enough guns around. If ya want to off yourself, deep throat a .357 and do others no harm, whatever your religion. Mass murder in the name of your own misery fits one parameter, but if Obama’s in charge of the investigation, he’ll call it workplace violence. Good job Jerkel and Company.

    • SubSumeYou

      Agree.

    • nevada_geon

      More workplace violence in response to the Crusades.

      Nothing to see here. Just keep moving. Sheep.

    • Jeff

      Obviously NO there is not, OR the lock could have been shot off the door and the pilot gained access to the cockpit

      • neversink

        these doors are bullet proof with an inch and a half of Kevlar and then heavy reinforcements. You can’t break them down with a gun.

  • Alexandros

    Guys, these guys are just trolling. They are using this and creating even more fear for us… this has nothing to do with ISIS or Islam. The first officer was not a Muslim. I am opposed to Islam, but I reiterate, as a pilot for a major European airline, and with the basis of all the findings, it is not religiously motivated. End of.

    • SubSumeYou

      Message noted for future reference.

    • wildjew

      The pilot (what you call the first officer) obviously did not want to crash the plane otherwise why was he trying to break through the door to the flight cabin? The co-pilot obviously did want to crash the plane. If his name were Muhammad that would make things easy. You might argue it is less likely he is a convert to Islam because of his name and ethnicity but why do you rule it out?

      • I wouldn’t rule it out, WJ. But I’d like some evidence. I’m bothered that the airline withheld his name for so long. I read they “scrubbed” his Facebook page.

        Still, someone who knew him would have noted his new-found religion if he was a convert. It has to remain a possibility along with mental-illness and other psychopathic modalities.

        • wildjew

          Good points.

        • donna

          clearly we don’t know if it is true but it is perfectly possible in view of his profession he was told not to publicize his conversion. Do u think these jihadis are stupid. He would have been a tremendous asset operating stealth. Aside from facebook if you google his name with muslim it brings up some reports. Also that he had recently broken up with muslim GF. I do not trust the authorities to be forthcoming about this they certainly were not in ’97 over the egypt air 990 crash with pilot screaming Alluh Akbar. Atlantic ran a story on this.http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/11/the-crash-of-egyptair-990/302332/

        • harry

          Is there any difference between converting to that “religion” and mental-illness?

          • thetruth

            There is a huge difference, sometimes mental illness happens to normal good people who cannot handle stress in life and do not seek the professional help to get them through that stress.

            Making a conscious choice to become a convert to a religion who’s founder was a child rapist pedophile is not mental illness because it is an act of conscious will.

            In other words, though I agree with your sentiment that you need to be disturbed to become a convert to the religion of Islam it does not reflect medially observable mental illness which normal people go through and get help with.

          • Aussie54

            Mental distubance describes the case of the Aussie boy Jake Bilardi. He was mentally disturbed and had been raised as an atheist. He was looking for something and he joined Islam. He wound up being used as a suicide bomber. I am not certain that this scenario is correct for the co-pilot of the aircraft.
            I want to know what motivated him… and somehow I believe that Islam was the motivation.

          • Brooke

            Taking down a plane IS TERRORISM, no matter who does it. HE decided to KILL 150 people, taking it down, he IS ONE

          • ColonelNeville

            Yes, mental illness is more treatable and less dangerous.

          • One can excuse the mentally ill from moral blame. Islam doesn’t get off the hook so easy. But you point on the irrationality of that religion is well taken.

      • Alexandros

        First officer = right hand seat. That was the pilot in the flight deck who had locked the captain out, as he had gone for toilet…It’s not religiously motivated. Anyway, time will tell…

        • wildjew

          OK. I am in a bit of a hurry so I will take your word, as I am not familiar with all the terminology, first officer, etc. My point is that the pilot was locked out of the cabin by the co-pilot (right seat, I am a low hour pilot myself / I understand right seat – left seat). You say the first officer was not a Muslim. At this point it does not appear he is but how can we be certain?

    • ColonelNeville

      “Taking down a plane IS TERRORISM, no matter who does it. HE decided to KILL 150 people, taking it down, he IS ONE”. End of it.

      • Alexandros

        Terorrism is unauthorised use of violence for political aims. I see no political aims here.

        • ColonelNeville

          I agree per se…but if one was in one of the passenger seats, one would see a lot of terror. And isn’t there a line somewhere about all acts are at some level, political, especially public ones?

    • AlpaOmega

      Please tell us you are joking and you’re not really this thick? First of all, nothing in the article says the pilot is or was Muslim or had any association to Isis. Second, the article only shows that he is being hailed as a martyr by some pro-terror supporter(s). Third, the “findings” is still in investigative process. Your entire comment has been nothing but fantasies and assumptions.

      • Alexandros

        Basically, these people who made the page are playing with our anger and frustration. They are trollers. Lubitz had no link to Islam or IS. Forget about it.

        • Brooke

          That’s not exactly correct. It is stated in many articles across the internet, and newspapers, he had a Muslim g/f, and lots of Muslim friends in the 5-10 Mosques in the area he lived in. Time will tell, the rest

  • Rocinante44

    he’s muslim

  • High Plains Drifter

    “Died a martyr? Muslims haven’t the slightest idea of what a real Martyr is. real martyrs do not commit suicide and murder others with their crazy suicides. “Thou shalt not kill/murder” that’s God’s commandment/will. any prophet who thinks he can change that is a total fool and no true prophet. “Islam” is nothing but a delusive heresy and fraud of the true legitimate faiths of Judaism and Christianity. Islam worships a sick monster, an evil blood thirty tyrant of a god, pretending to be the only God.

  • harbidoll

    love those 666s on his black flag,& the snake on the big W. That is a big red flag for me. Beware, evil here!

  • Even if it proven beyond all doubt that he was muslim they will still say that this had nothing to do with Islam.

    • ColonelNeville

      Yep, according to our Shari complaint governments, wilful silly police and media of betrayal, Islam is the only ideology that has nothing to do with itself.

    • 912er

      Seems like workplace violence.

  • Alaa Hadyعلاء الدين

    This is amazing the spirit of Andreas created his page .. Big F WOW

  • wjgo

    No. a page created by a few crazies does not mean the pilot was Muslim. And, the page no longer exists.

  • Patrick Aquing

    It seems to be a Facebook fan page made just for someone to attract attention and likes to salve their undernourished egos. Clearly. I’m ashamed at this article for trying to spread propaganda based off of JUST this.

  • Doc Holliday

    I told you here:

    “Catastrophes: Yes, there soon will be catastrophes. At least one will happen before April 25th, but it may only be a catastrophe for The Good.”

    — Doc Holliday

    http://pamelageller.com/2015/02/terrorist-in-the-white-house.html/

    And if you’re still asleep, you better damn well wake up and realize what is coming:

    Gigantic special farces, entire region of the country, multi-month, “integrated with civilian administration” takeover operational exercise.
    Jade Helm: Troops to “Operate Undetected Amongst Civilian Population”
    Texas: “Hostile territory.”
    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Covert-warfare-comming-to-Texas-6157685.php

    Anyone still think they’re training to protect the fatherlund against muslim terrorists?

    “Mastering the Human Domain” – You better believe that.

  • Infidel_jack

    Why has his FB site been changed since his death? Someone intentionally deleted all the Mohamadista references and added a beer comercial?
    Mohamadism is a mental illness.

  • That is a fake site, just made….need to vet that story.

  • Eugenio Gonzalez

    I knew from the start that this guy had some affiliation with islam. You don’t need a rocket scientist for that…duhhhhhhh

    • mark

      Next you will tell me this guy was depressed because he is not a Muslim!

      What a bunch of low life fraudster.

      Stop watching Tel-LIE-vision!

  • Martin1

    What don’t you understand of the word “fans”?
    This is not the FB site of the named co-pilot (if it was really him who flew), but an FB site of fans of his murder action.

  • DonnaTxx

    Sonderheimer (the co-pilots surname) is jewish? This could be significant if it transpires that Lubitz was a muslim convert?

    • HolyHOAX

      You mean like them joowish converts in saudi.

      al-CIA-da + ISISraHELL

  • ByWayOfDeception

    You Zionist Christians and Jews are the real TERRORIST!

    To all you sheeples!

    This was allowed to happen by God so you dumb dumbs realize planes can not just disappear into concrete and steel i.e 9-11 WTC, just as in this plane became millions of pieces when it hit the Rock!

    P.S. There was no planes on 9-11.

    All CGI..Computer Graphic Imagery!!!

    Hence error upon editing video clip showing nose of one of the supposed plane penatrating one side of WTC and coming out unscathed from the other side like them pinnochio nose!

    By the way nose of the plane is not even aluminum. Its a form of fiber glass plastic.

    • Frappe

      One event does not a “rule” for every other event. Live in the Middle East for a few years and you will see… But don’t blame people who have nothing to do with ops. And don’t think you can make grand generalizations. It’s just plain immature.

  • truthfinder

    You made up that facebook-page. See the “one like”?

  • Moslems get out of Germany

    “Suicid killer” Lubitz converted to Islam! He often visited a mosque in the northern Germany city Bremen, a mosque which is known as radical. He took a 6 months break from his job six years ago, in that time he might have got his “skills” as radical moslem in Bremen. See her:
    http://stthomasaquinasversusnasa.blogspot.de/

    • John James

      You do realize that the person who writes that blog is demonstrably mentally ill.

  • ed

    we are being told he was on his own ?? in the cockpit ,there were muslim passengers on that flight , 150 miles of course to the east heading for Marseille and Toulouse, 7 nuclear re actors in that area ,he lived for years in Marseille ? , 3 French air force jets scrambled and were in pursuit ???

  • ina rome
  • Sam McGee

    It’s possible the plane crashed because we ain’t played cowboys and muslims yet, but there was a similar incident before so maybe it was an engineering problem:

    http://avherald.com/h?article=47d74074/0000
    I still can’t rule out that the co-pilot had some kind of medical problem. But if he was a Muz then that would top the list of suspected causes.

  • ByWayOfDeception

    Do you Islamophobes ever reach satiety with your demonizing of Islam and Muslims?

    al-CIA-da

    ISISraHELL

    9-11 mother of all LIES

    London HOAX

    Boston Marathon smokes

    Sydney CROOKS

    Sandy HOOKS

    French FRIES HOAX

    Stop watching Tel-LIE-vision before you get brainwashed with Weapons of Mass Deception!

    P.s. Real Terrorist wear suits and kill innocent people by slaughtering millions of Muslims based on 9-11 LIES and bogus Terror based on manufactured WeaponsMassDeception.

    Hell awaits those that sell their soul for petro$$$ and Federal Reserve fiat currency!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7POo2WpUKQY

  • Underzog

    I was just listening to the Fox News Channel and it said that it was recorded that the crashing Wing’s Germany’s pilot said ten times that he was placing his trust in god. This is the phrase that the Egyptian pilot said as he crashed an Egyptian plane into the sea (this was before 9/11) . That doomed plane took off from Boston’s Logan airport (Boston is the epicenter of Islamic terrorism in America, as Pamela Geller pointed out).

    • John James

      Your first mistake was paying the slightest attention to anything Fox News might have to say about anything on any topic.

      • Underzog

        I should, of course, believe a prevaricator such as Obama and the drive by media, eh? Obama lied when he said if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. I also should believe the drive by media when they said Al Gore won the 2000 election and precipitated a major national voting crises. Give me a break!

  • Charlotta Jones

    Apparently he had a muslime girlfried. He also had a depression a few yrs ago and took time off where he may have converted to Islam. Police found something of interest at his apartment:
    http://stthomasaquinasversusnasa.blogspot.ca/2015/03/muslim-convert-co-pilot-andreas-gunter.html?m=1

  • Pietje Bell

    Fake Facebook page!

  • Vergil

    That facebook profile is a fake, how stupid must you be? id even go as far as to say someone of your co workers created it. there are way 2 many possibility’s for this plane to crash and you use a fake profile to pin point @ terrorism, nice try

  • Nicole4Gaza

    So a guy with a Jewish Surname Lubitz check the Jewishgenology.com commits a terrorist act and brain dead westerners still have to find a way to blame the Muzzies. Sad pathetic people who lack self respect. Good Goy.

  • Jane McDonnell

    That Facebook page looks very suspicious with its 1 Like and sudden disappearance.

  • Kuner1

    Stop this nonsense. The guy wasn’t a muslim. Insinuating that he was makes about as much sense as those idiot nazis who now claim he was jewish.

    Stick to the facts. The guy was a psychopath. He didn’t kill for any ideology. If anything, he looks like a typical “beta” to me. The kind of guy who would never get a woman. Wouldn’t surprise me if he was a typical virgin with rage

    • John James

      He had a long-term girlfriend. Try again.

    • Enough with the Bullshit

      Airplane mysteriously crashes.

      Evidence is found of new story.

      Man forced way into cockpit of airplane.

      Man deliberately crashed airplane.

      General society and media’s immediately ready to look for mental illness as the explanation.

      Mental illness is immediately concluded as the “motive” of the deliberate act.

      Media paints heinous murderous act as mere “suicide.”

      Soft-minded morons among general public go on to shame those who consider this whole inane thing as unnecessary conclusion so readily.

      The nature of evil action lives on, with the next set of criminals to be victimized so readily, all another day.

      • Kuner1

        Where is this evidence of someone forcing his way into the cockpit?

  • Rachel

    Why do I think that if the voice recorder were played for us in full we’d hear “allahu ahkbar” before the plane hit the side of the mountain?

  • Tyler Durden

    Recent muslim convert. Had something to prove. Broke up with german muslim girl to commit jihad. This happens everyday Israel. Random acts of murder by muslim against Jews. Muslims can not live with other faiths. 30 Christian children were just murdered. Religion of peace.

  • Morgan Jeffens

    Airhead Pamela Geller dont know at all if he is a convert ….this page is a hoax for stupid ppl like PAMELA GELLER

  • Agent153Orange

    Does anyone know where the owner of the Facebook page live, so I can go and kill the bastard?!

    • John James

      ^^^ Armchair warrior. ^^^ Page likely put up by some mischief maker just so you would bust an artery in sputtering outrage.

  • mark hauser

    I’d bet dollars to donuts that Facebook page was created by Pamela Gellar.

    I mean, only 1 like? “Long live his soul”? Shouldn’t it be Allah Akbar? Hardcore Islamists pray only in Arabic because that’s how Mohamed said to pray.

    What a massive fail this article is.

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  • I am seriously going to have to rethink everything I read on this website now….I trusted Pam but this is really beyond the pale. No sign points to him being a muzzie. These fake websites were made for fools to think he was.

  • havasu46

    Maybe they should add the ability to unlock the cabin door from the ground!

  • Greg B.

    Because a Facebook page with one like represents 1.6 billion people.

  • blackfargo

    Well, IF they can somehow find out that he was a legitimate radical islamic (which I have seen no evidence of, but why would I?), this will be a real eye opener. Everyone knows that lying and deceit is one of the strategies of conflict survival mentioned in the Koran. To have a convert with little to no history, and keep it that way (John Doe), and then design a terror plan to execute at a later date giving you time to reduce or eliminate any such connection could not only be damn hard to track, but also later confirm. That and militant progressive integration/acceptance/tolerance being shoved down everyone’s throats would make any investigation or findings moot, as there would be none.

  • Sarah Rose

    I bet you made that page fucker. Anyone could have made that and put the picture of Arabic to incite more anger. You are a bitch Pam Geller.

  • Getaclue

    A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert.
    Speisa.com reported:

    According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/breaking-german-news-germanwings-airbus-co-pilot-was-muslim-convert/

    • Maz Hussain

      you need to google the author to put his opinions into context

  • US_POLICESTATE

    How long ago was the screenshot taken? If you look at the update times for the pictures they seem REALLY recent!

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  • gregzotta

    No Moderate
    Muslims

    There is no such thing as a moderate
    Muslim, because they wouldn’t be Muslims. If you are a Muslim, then you believe
    in the teachings of Muhammed and the goal of Islam is “World Islam” as stated
    in the Q’uran. Therefore, if you do not
    believe in those teachings, then you should not be a Muslim. The problem is
    once you are a Muslim you are always a Muslim.

    Islam is a political and military system
    masquerading as a religion. Muslims can lie to the infidel to promote Islam.
    The Muslim Brotherhood calls for a “Civilization-Jihadist Process,” in which
    they would destroy the Western civilization from within. Radical Muslims believe the infidels will have
    to convert to Islam, be enslaved or be killed. They state, we do not want to
    democratize Islam, we want to Islamize democracy. That is what we want.

    In the Christian faith, it is a sin to
    commit murder and you can go to Hell. In Islam, if you kill the infidel and die
    in the action you are martyred and promised paradise and 72 Virgins.

    In the United States we do not want to
    become a Muslim nation and be put under Sharia law, with Honor Killings. That
    is why we must remain vigilant to protect our freedom. Look at what has been
    happening in Germany, Great Britain and France.

  • Sarah Cassidy

    Yep. Just another Lone Wolf with mental issues…nothing to do with Islam…That’s exactly what the AUSTRALIAN press was telling us during the Lindt Cafe Seige…despite the fact that the perpetrator Monis had hostages hold up the ISIS flag against the windows! I mean COME ON!!! Do you think we are stupid???

  • שבי בנדר

    When letting them fly a plane that’s what happens, and you give them the right to manage your country

    • More Faves

      Who is “them”? As a Jew, you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Anonymous

    with 1 like on his fan page, this page suggests it was made after the incident. What do you mean, the media doesn’t cover this?It is what it is. It’s simply tragic. No need to stir the pot here, and pls have some respect for those who died and for the family members.

  • always justice

    some on pamella shmamella
    anyone could have opened this page with ONE LIKE

  • Carl C. Helgers

    I checked Lubitz’s facebook page and couldn’t find neither the islamic post nor the islamic cover photo. But after searching the internet I found out that Pamela Geller (the weiter of this article) is a very far out right-wing activist fighting against ismamization of the US (which I don’t say is a bad cause). But I must conclufe is that this article can not be trusted and that it can be consider it to be a form of propaganda. So beware who you trust and check the circumstances and the writer of an article before you consider it to be truthful.

    • More Faves

      This is all you need to know about Pamela Geller. http://www.loonwatch.com/tag/pamela-geller/

    • pamelageller

      Beware of commenters who don’t read. No where in this piece do I say Lubitz is a Muslim. What I do report on is the Muslim fan pages in praise of his murder.
      Carl needs to check the article before making false charges.

    • pamelageller

      Beware of commenters who can’t read. Nowhere in this piece do I say that Lubitz is a Muslim or that this is his Facebook page. What I do report on is the Muslim Facebook pages praising Lubitz as a martyr and hero of the Islamic State.
      Carl, check your facts before you defame and insult based on your own prejudices and hate.

    • pamelageller

      Beware of commenters who don’t actually read. Nowhere in this post do I say Lubtiz is Muslim. I am reporting on the Muslim Facebook pages praising him as a martyr and hero of the Islamic State.

      Carl, check your premise and actually read the thing before lying and insulting.

      He must be a leftist, telling us about truth while lying through his teeth. lol

      • monolith

        Beware of bloggers who make up Facebook pages and pass them off as the real deal to a bunch of rubes.

        Sorry, but there’s no way that some Muslim actually created this page to praise him. You created this to make people think he was a Muslim.

  • Alvin

    JESUS lady, I’m worried about islamic extremism but not everything needs to be about islam. Reports are indicating most likely he was suffering from severe depression. Don’t use this horrific tragedy to make a political point.

  • test

    anyone can make up such a facebook page in 5 minutes.. no proof at all.

  • mastersoftheobvious

    Who would have guessed an Islamic connection? Who?! Probably just about everybody who has been following world events for oh, say, the last fourteen years.
    Can’t wait now for Obama to blame it on the Crusaders. Of course not ALL Muslims are like this but the 95% of Muslims who agree with this stuff make bad for the 5% who are peaceful

    • rhcrest

      The ones who are “peaceful” totally agree with the violent ones and support them completely. They all believe in the same crap

  • More Faves

    When you cry ISLAM at every horrific event, you loose the credibility to blame Islam when there’s actual PROOF of same.

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  • David Bell

    The truth is….. The MSM in countries not infested with a common purpose or political correctness will break this news and the rest of the MSM will have to pick it up. They can delay it, but they can not stop it….

  • Dontspyonme

    Great job Pamela you are one step ahead watching our backs because the Muslim in chief isn’t

  • roger

    Just 25 years ago it would have been unthinkable that someone who is not ideologically ( Islamic ) driven would end his life by taking a hundred and fifty others with him.
    If he is not a convert then something has changed in the world, something is wrong.

  • Hannan

    There is 1 like on that Facebook page. Pammy you are not supposed to like your own page.

  • Chippy

    Its unfair to blame everything on Islam after all it is the religion of peace and love.

    • Shhh!

      Shhhhh! That’s wrong! You’ll get in trouble for freely expressing your opinion that runs contrary to socially-popular, politically-correct sentiment. What do you think you have, the freedom of expression? Dumbass! Where do you think you live–the free world? No, you live in a society governed by artificed agenda and artificial taboo.

  • Are Horsies Pretty

    Are you that ignorant to suggest it’s islamic terrorism? There is one like on that stupid page made by some douche canoe trying to get attention from this horrible act. Your bigotry is showing moron.

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  • Canadian

    False flag. I can simply make a Christian Andreas Lubitz fan page in 5 minutes.

  • Magz Zara

    I’m not an expert on Islam but would it be usual to have flowers on your door sign? I didn’t think Muslims recreated flowers..

  • Jay Bartgis

    It was ONE page with ONE LIKE. Probably the maker of this article.

  • LATIF

    Fake

  • LATIF

    He was JEWISH

  • LATIF

    Did Jewish Copilot take revenge for the Holocaust ?

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  • western_bs

    seeing how many comments that got deleted mentioning the bullshit of the story this whole “newsite” should be treated as such

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  • Jim Fox

    Would think he’d be bellowing “Allahu’Akhbar” right before impact as the 911 muslims did, had he been on jihad? Interesting though that police have concealed the ‘new evidence’ found at his flat…

    There have been about 12 similar incidents of pilots deliberately crashing–
    http://news.aviation-safety.net/2015/03/26/list-of-aircraft-accidents-and-incidents-deliberately-caused-by-pilots/

    Wait and see

  • My email inbox is probably on fire by now. I was right… my moslem sister was wrong!

  • Oliver Holzfield

    This guy obviously had a nose job at some point, there are pics of him with a larger nose, and some with a tiny sloped nose. Very odd.

  • Jon

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    Check his medicine cabinet.
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  • Michal

    TOTALLY NEW PAGE WITH ONE LIKE. Great proof for everything. I can make 200 pages with one like saying this website was made by ISIS :)
    Hmm how hard is to find page with only one like, with no propagation or advertising. It is easy, you have to made it yourself and then make printscreen :)

  • bodica

    The media is throwing out a red herring of a ‘recently diagnosed ilness’ requiring frequent monitoring. Sounds like AIDs is a possibility, since they didn’t ground him, as they might if it were an auto immune such as MS or ALS or start him on chemo.

    He comes from a heavily islamified area; converted to Islam 6 years ago, during his unexplained ‘absence,’ reportedly had a moslem ‘girlfriend.’ Since they don’t do ‘girlfriend’ and ‘boyfriend’ in islam, either a marriage was being arranged or gf was really bf.

    His primary mosque, in Bremen, was closed Dec 14, after police became aware it was an ISIL recruiting center, which suggests that Lubitz mass murder of 150 people was a revenge hit and a warning.

    • Maz Hussain

      you need to stop smoking the crack pipe, it’s making you imagine things

  • israelpcdoctor

    but the Facebook page posted above seems to be a fake – it doesn’t actually exist anywhere on Facebook. Does anyone have a link to that page? I’ve searched pretty hard and could not find it anywhere. I’m pretty sure that it is just a fabricated image rather than a real Facebook page. I’m a conservative Israeli-American Zionist who is living in Israel, so (trust me) I’m as far from pro-Muslim as you can get, but clearly this is a fabrication and a hoax. I believe in pointing out true atrocities and horrors of Islamic terror but not fake ones. :-( This is sad. What happened to integrity?

  • Giacomo Vallone

    Utter lies you should be ashamed. Geller youre mentioned in this article even for your incitement of Ander Breivik and deceit over Jewish German Lubitz http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

  • JoeThePimpernel

    A thoroughly selfish POS. No wonder he was depressed.

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  • Abu Fatimah

    Lol is that article you quoted supposed to be reputable? It suggests Islam should be banned, I hardly think any mainstream news outlet is going to make a suggestion like that

  • Dan

    He has a mezuzah on his front door. Some Moslem. Ha!

    • Flower

      Where did you see that??

  • PI by Nature

    Anyone can establish such a page…if one wants to claim this as fact, more evidence will be needed.

  • Ade

    EDIT
    The state is pushing the depression motive and have now found a torn up
    sick note, mmmm however it’s alledged he was possibly a (unconfirmed)
    recent convert to Islam. Maybe, maybe not, we’ll see, could be false of
    course being used as an excuse for more mid East wars
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lubitz+mosque&ie=

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  • wallflower

    this is so funny. never knew that there were people this stupid on this planet. You all are truly a joke lol. there is absolutely no evidence at all that he was a muslim (apart from that “”fb page””) really? I feel ashamed in your place. How old are you? 12?

    • Flower

      Nasty little thing, aren’t you!

  • Defendtheweek

    This doesn’t make him a terrorist but the fact that they took his personal Facebook page down has me questioning how this is being handled, those in control and their motives.

  • anastasius

    All this talk of him being a Muslim does not pass the smell test. There is only one group that holds all others unlike themselves as less than human. Those I refer to are not Muslim. The question we need to ask is what was his mother?

  • Pete McAlpine

    When does the embargo on the truth of the Muslim religion of the co-pilot STOP!??? Do they really think they can keep this quiet????

  • wallflower

    allahu akbar
    subhaana’allah wa bihamidihi

    • Flower

      allah is SATAN.

      • wallflower

        allahu akbar!! :D
        getting angry already?

        • Flower

          No, my faith is in Yahweh, the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You and your false god don’t frighten OR anger me. It just makes me sad that you’re so gullible.

          • wallflower

            oh honey don’t be sad for me! nothing to be sad about. I know that there is a just God above there who takes care of me, who I can put all my faith and trust in. I know that one day this worldly life will end, and each one of us will be judged. I pray 5 times a day, makes me feel very peaceful! I can’t wait for Ramadan, fasting for a month. I wear headscarf and long dresses, no probs. No alcohol sigarettes drugs etc for me, who needs these anyways? I try to do good deeds everyday, even it’s a smile at someone. I feel peace in my heart knowing that there is indeed one true religion, despite of all the things going on lately. But I know it’s useless to say all these things. If you don’t want to find the truth, you’ll never find it.

          • Flower

            I GRIEVE for your soul, “wallflower.” And I pray that while there is still time, you will give up your false god and turn to the true God of Israel! You’ve been deeply indoctrinated with a lie. I’m SO sorry!!

          • St. Michael Defend Us

            You pray 5 times a day. For what, how, do you pray? Do you pray for my destruction? And THAT makes you feel at peace?

          • Flower

            Not only that, Michael, but he prays to his false god and has his butt in God’s face. It makes him feel “holy” …

  • Dyann Jackson

    Pamela, I thought this was debunked and you took it down from your Atlasshrugged website.

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  • Josh

    If the Facebook fan page depicted in the badly written article was real, it appears to have been created after the pilot’s death,since the first post is dated today.

    • wetboy

      Well, um, one would assume that making a martyr fan page would require one to be “martyred” first…so, yeah…that kind of makes sense.

      Thanks Columbo, for your input…

  • wetboy

    The real problem here is Facebook. They’ve blocked countless conservative sites, including ones “violating community standards” by posting “God Bless America”. They publicly block any criticism of Islam or it’s leaders in Muslim countries. But sites like this are allowed under “openness policy”.

    Only in a backwards progressive utopia would all this make sense. No wonder Zuckerberg is such a frequent guest at the White House…

  • creeper

    So try this on for size. Lubitz has to withdraw from flight school
    because of “depression”. Lufthansa arranges for him to continue with
    them as a flight attendant. Jihad recruiter finds him and says, “These
    infidel pigs are treating you like a woman! Show them you’re a man.
    Join us.”

    No more far-fetched than any other scenario.

    One other aspect of this tragedy which is also not being addressed is the evident lack of any effort on the part of the passengers to help the captain. This would not have been the case in the US. Have Europeans become nothing but sheeple?

  • A smart guy

    You people are sooo full of shyt, you made this page up, look at it, it has one, count it one “Like” really! You think us SMART people fall for this shyt, NO no no, only Fox news empty heads will buy this lame BS get a life and stop spewing junk all over the place.

  • TruthSoldier52

    Another jihad from “the religion of peace.” Islam needs to be outlawed in every civilized nation. It is not a religion, but a death cult, and no different from Naziism.

    • wallflower

      Life must be really hard, being stupid like this.

      • Flower

        You would know …

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  • Lisa

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true but it’s going to take more than this to prove it.

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  • wallflower

    Can I ask why you all want him to be a muslim so badly? You would think that because he’s not a muslim people like you would think: phew, not a muslim this time!! maybe there is hope and they are not killing off all of us!!
    but instead you are desperate to prove that he was? What do you want? It seems to me that you actually hope that there will be lots of terrorists attacks by muslims to prove that you’re right. ????

    • TGFD

      TGFD here.
      wallflower…Why do we believe that lubitz was moozzlamic??? Because moozlamic scum have a history of deliberately crashing planes and killing passangers. Others don’t.
      Tell me of just one deliberately-crashed airliner, or of just one suicide bombing or of just one beheading that was not perpetrated by the scum of izzlam?
      The germanwings fanatic was a jizzlam.
      Find some hard evidence that he actually wasn’t. Evidence like recent memberships in Christian groups or churches, and recent associations with right-wing groups would be meaningful.

      • wallflower

        hahahahahahahahhahaahhahahahhahahah ok

        • TGFD

          TGFD again.
          A laugh? Is that the best you can manage? Try again.

          • wallflower

            yes.
            I even thought you were being sarcastic as first lol

      • Flower

        Quite possibly because his co-workers who have been interviewed said that they believed he converted to Islam a short time back.

        • wallflower

          okay. can you give me a source where that is officially stated? (preferably not from a website like this lol. cause I think you’re smart enough to understand that websites like this are not really.. trustworthy and objectively

          • Flower

            You’re clearly not interested in truth, so just move on … go do your butt-in-the-air prayers …

            If you were seeking truth, you wouldn’t be a Muslim, praying to a false god…

          • wallflower

            I understand. There is no trustworthy source, so you say these things which are supposed to hurt me or something??. Better luck next time hon.

          • Flower

            YOU believe there is “no trustworthy source,” because you’re sold out to the cult of Islam. Trot along, HON.

      • STFUWingNuts

        Excuse me, but last I heard “the burden of proof is on the prosecution”, and since you and your fear-mongering, right-wing-nut buddies are “the prosecution” in this case, YOU are the ones who have the burden of providing proof of your accusations. If we did it your way, it would mean that every person in the world would have to furnish proof the they were not Islamic extremists in order to avoid being imprisoned. Does that seem logical to you (a mostly rhetorical question, as you obviously have trouble thinking logically)?

      • Puttiegoo

        Is being a Christian proof he coudn’t do what he did, and was Timothy McVeigh not associated with a right wing group, most Western Euporeans take religion with more than a few grains of salt, they are more down to earth, but that does not mean they are Muslims and German Police is absolutely certain it has nothing to do with religion

  • ltneid

    The reason that you don’t see this FB page in the REAL media is because it’s bogus. With a single like, it was obviouslyy created after the crash. And wouldn’t a German use German in the posts?

  • STFUWingNuts

    Really? OK, so what are YOU doing about it, tough guy? Real easy to talk a good game, a little harder to take action to back it up. I’m so F’ing tired of all the Right Wing Nuts telling us that the sky is falling, but offering absolutely zero practical ideas about how we might go about propping it up (and, no, “nuking the entire Middle East” is NOT a practical idea). Why is it so important to you people that this incident be put down to “RadIslam”? Do you really think anyone in the world is actually of the opinion that Islamic terrorism is not a threat? Sorry to burst your bubble, but you’re not special. Everyone already understands perfectly the threat posed Islamic extremists. So if you’re so concerned about the situation, how about anteing up and joining the Army or something? If you’re going to act like an A-hole, at least put your money where your mouth is….

    • monolith

      Geller wants to stir up animosity towards the enemies of Israel.

      • Flower

        She wants people to see what Israel’s enemies are trying to do. We SHOULD have animosity towards Israel’s enemies because they are America’s enemies as well!

  • Alrightthen

    The pilot was Jewish

    • wallflower

      hard to accept for these islam-obsessed people here. because jews are good, jews are the chosen people. they would never do something like this ofcourse. not a chance

    • Flower

      I believe so, yes. And he was suffering from some form of terrible depression.

  • I think This Page is not its real one! I have seen once in my life when i was in ten his page thoroughly!

  • TGFD

    TGFD here.
    Pamela…It appears that you deleted my comment that was in response to someone named ‘wallflower’.
    Since I just heard of you and your site today, I can’t feel slighted by you. To me, you’re not worth following, and once will be enough.
    Thin-skinned, pandering, ‘drive-by’ conservatives like you aren’t the kind of people for me.

  • GuatemalanHousekeeper

    So- suddenly “Lubitz” is an islamic name? HAHHAHAH sort of like how “Adolf” is Jewish I guess. They’re keeping secrets from us- maybe Lubitz had an agenda! Lots of important people on that plane. Smart educated people, like the American woman who worked for the geospatial intelligence agency.

  • Marlene Jones

    There is no Islamic aspect to this story at all. The only accusations of this come from biased bigoted websites and blogs, which are taken as gospel truth by the Islamophobic faithful. All this faulty conjecturing and propagandizing just makes you look like the fools you are.

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  • judethom

    Why is the media blocking the info that Lubitz was a Muslim extremist?

    • monolith

      The media isn’t blocking anything. This page is a forgery meant to fool morons into thinking Lubitz was a Muslim.

  • ZyklonBee

    Wouldn’t be surprised if JEWS were behind this instigation.

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  • I hope the next time a Muslim pilot feels depressed & suicidal, they seek professional help. (professional help: not an imam)

    • Michael Petch

      If a Christian is suicidal and depressed they shouldn’t seek help (not their pastor)?

      • What do you think? Of course they should seek help! (professional help)

        • Michael Petch

          So then wouldn’t it be better to say:

          I hope the next time a pilot feels depressed & suicidal, they seek professional help. (professional help: not a religious leader)

          Clearly your response to me is that the issue at hand isn’t unique to Muslims.

          • You are not being very clear with your response to me.

            I can’t help that you think Muslims are uniquely suicidal.

          • Michael Petch

            My viewpoint is simple. Suicidal thoughts and tendencies are not unique to any particular religion. You singled out Muslims in your comment and didn’t make a blanket statement to cover all pilots of any or no faith. When I read your original comment I got the impression that you believe that we should *only* concern ourselves with suicidal and depressed Muslims.

            I wouldn’t get in a plane if I knew a depressed/suicidal Atheist, Christian or Muslim was at the helm

            Maybe I’ll ask the question this way. Why did you single out Muslims? Is it because that is all the fad when posting on Pam’s site?

          • You wrote a whole lot of nonsense & a waste of time.
            I singled out “muslim PILOT”!
            You are a very arrogant & hateful person.
            Leave me alone as I don’t like to communicate with such racist & bigoted people like yourself.

          • Flower

            Then why did you??

          • Why did I what?

          • Michael Petch

            I think he is asking why you singled out Muslims. By singling out Muslims IMHO you appear to be the Islamaphobe. I might have skipped over your post if you hadn’t took a shot at Imams.

            I have Muslim friends here in Calgary, Calgary has a Muslim mayor that I voted for (and he is this years world mayor).I have great conversations with Muslims I have no issues with developing Mosques in the city. I don’t believe that all Muslims are terrorists and I don’t feel the Qu’ran is a hate filled book.

            As long as I am allowed to be atheist I have no problem with others being Muslim, and if people want to follow the ways of Islam or Christianity all the power to them.

            For the record I would have absolutely no problems being in an airplane piloted by Muslims – period.

            I would have a problem boarding a plane where the pilot was suicidal or depressed and it wouldn’t matter what religious (or secular) background they have.

          • Your arrogance is disgusting.

          • Michael Petch

            I am disgusting for liking Muslims?

          • Youre disgusting for you arrogance, bigotry, supremicist views & your islamophobia.
            Leave me alone.

          • Michael Petch

            I’ll agree that from your perspective that me expressing a view you don’t agree with may be arrogant, but I don’t really think you understand the term Islamaphobe or bigot.

          • Flower

            A “phobia” is an irrational fear. I know of NO ONE who has an irrational fear of Islam. I DO know, however, a lot of people who believe that it is a culture of death, which is fact.

          • Michael Petch

            Okay, let’s go with that. Can you help out BigBaddaBoom by finding any quote where I expressed a fear of Muslims that was prejudiced because of their religious beliefs.

          • Flower

            No, you did not, mikey.

          • Islamophobe is a bs word. People throw it around like loose pesos that take up to much room in your pocket and isnt worth much.
            I simply feel I beat him to the punch as I feel that was his agenda to label me as a islamophobe.

          • Flower

            Yes, you did. Best to just leave it be, now. He’s a mindless liberal and doesn’t care who is right or wrong, he only wants to display his ignorance. ;-)

          • Flower

            Forget it … I just wondered why you were speaking to someone you didn’t want to speak to … not my business. I apologize.

          • Guest

            I’m a hateful person for saying that ALL pilots who are suicidal and/or depressed should seek professional help while you are apparently non-racist (what race is Islam?) because you singled out just Muslim’s.

            You made me think that I should take some advice from Samuel Clemens.

          • You are telling me how I should write. (arrogance)
            Are you saying that it is “wrong” to try and help a suicidal muslim pilot to seek help?
            Why do you think I should cover all religions when it comes to suicidal pilots?
            Are you a muslim pilot? If not, why would you think to include yourself to what I wrote about Muslims pilots.
            What you wrote is hateful & very obvious of you bigotry & supremist views.
            You continue to attack what I write.
            You must be an islamophobe because you don’t like the fact that I want to help suicidal Muslim pilots to seek help!

          • Michael Petch

            You don’t get it. I want ALL suicidal & depressed pilots to seek professional help – not just Muslims. How does that make me Islampahobic or in your words racist. You singled out Muslims and what I am saying is that suicidal & depressed pilots no matter what religion should seek professional help. How is that hateful?

          • You don’t get it. I don’t care what you want. Don’t tell me what I should do and what I should write.
            You want to help all pilots go ahead. Don’t tell me that I should also.
            I want to help the starving children of the philippines, but I’m sure you’ll tell me next that I should help “all” the children instead.
            Your words make me physically sick. Leave me alone you islamophobe.

          • Michael Petch

            Do you know what an Islamaphobe is? By your responses I doubt you really know.

            May I ask you this. Do you like Muslims? Are you afraid of Muslims? I can say I do like Muslims and I don’t fear them. I’m just not sure about you.

          • I want to help suicidal Muslim pilots and you have a huge fear of me writing that. Yes you are an islamophobe. Even muslims can be islamophobe.

            Why do you insist I generalize everything?

          • Michael Petch

            I was born a caucasian to two Catholic parents who ran a very devout household in Canada. When I turned 18 I got rid of the hypocritical and intolerant shackles that Catholicism had been preaching and I became an atheist. Because I have firneds who are Muslim and because I don’t fear Muslims in general make me a Muslim? The fact you assumed that I was Muslim and said what you said suggests your fear and hatred of Muslims runs pretty deep.

            Can you please define what an Islamaphobe(ia) is? I can. One definiton is this: “Anti-Islamic sentiment or Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of the religion of Islam, Muslims, or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim.” Care to quote me where I expressed a prejudice against Muslims?

            I have no fear of you writing what you did. I have a problem with you seemingly targeting Muslims.

          • Flower

            Psalm 14:1

            The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

          • You need professional help.

            You have a problem with me writing that suicidal Muslim pilots need to seek professional help n not from an imam.

            You are a sick person. I don’t care anything about you n your life.

            There is absolutely nothing wrong in what I wrote. Stop telling me what you think how I should write what you think is appropriate in your mind.

            If you are offended to bad. Go back to your mom n nurse a little longer on her milk n leave me alone you racist islamophobe.

          • Michael Petch

            So I am racist and hate filled for expressing the view that ALL pilots should seek professional help if they are suicidal and/or depressed while you can single out Muslim’s and consider yourself somehow morally superior to my position. Should point out that Islam isn’t really a race so the use of racism might be better served by using bigoted or discriminatory.

            Samuel Clemens was a man ahead of his time.

          • Guest

            So I am racist and hate filled for expressing the view that ALL pilots should seek professional help if they are suicidal and/or depressed while you can single out Muslim’s and consider yourself somehow morally superior to my position. Should point out that Islam isn’t really a race so the use of racism might be better served by using bigoted or discriminatory.

            Samuel Clemens was a man ahead of his time.

  • St. Michael Defend Us

    Those people here convinced that Lubitz was NOT a muslim may be getting THEIR information from aljazeerah
    http://aljazeerah.info/News/2015/March/27%20n/Zionists%20Depressed%20Because%20Co-Pilot%20Andreas%20Lubitz,%20Who%20Crashed%20the%20German%20Wings%20Plane%20Was%20Not%20Muslim,%20March%2027,%202015.htm
    They may also be getting their information from the Arab American News:

    http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/news/id_10257/Terrorism-by-non-Muslims-goes-under-reported.html
    If this is typically where they get their information, then, that explains a lot about them and about their thoughts.

    • Michael Petch

      I haven’t read Al-jazeera today. Anyone who actually read Michael Mannheimmer’s post, the comments and how he drew his conclusions would be able to use common sense to determine that *at this time* there is no evidence he was a Muslim convert.

      It is clear that the right wing nut jobs are out in force promoting their own biased religious viewpoint making things up as they go.

    • monolith

      I don’t have to prove Lubitz was NOT a Muslim. You have to prove that he WAS a Muslim.

      • Michael Petch

        That isn’t how conspiracy theorists and religious zealots think. They are are hardwired to expect others to prove a negative rather than actually trying to prove their own assertion. It is similar thinking that brought forth the concept of the Celestial Teapot analogy.

        • monolith

          Yea, now that I think about it. He was probably a crisis actor. I mean, would a depressed person smile for a photograph? So obviously fake. /s

    • More Faves

      There is NOWHERE legitimate that ties the Co Pilot to Islam.

      • Michael Petch

        It appeared on the Tea Party News Network so it must be true! They would never lie or exaggerate the truth by publishing information from their German counterpart. I did find it rather funny that even on TPNN they prefaced the article with “According to a German media site, it is *speculated* that the 28 year old copilot who crashed a Germanwings flight this week had converted to Islam.”

        I noticed the word *speculated*. Which is exactly what Michael Mannheimer did. But that was enough for others to jump on the bandwagon to use speculation as proof in the absence of any hard evidence.

        • Scott Rennert

          i see islam on his fb page idiots

          • Michael Petch

            That FB page is a FAN page, not his Facebook page. It was created after the crash. So unless he came back from the dead, or his spiritual energy took over someone’s body – the Facebook page was likely not made by him.

          • Scott Rennert

            He flew a plane into a mountain, the only cult i know that uses aircraft as weapons is from the molester and murderer mohammad from islam. It will come out in the wash that he had ties with the molesters and murderers of islam. Any cult that teaches ya to kill all that are not your kind is not a good thing.I trust no muslim for their book koran justifies lying to promote the cult.

          • Flower
          • More Faves

            Sure, a blog with the title “Fire Andrea Mitchell” is fair and balanced. It’s as legit as this site.

          • Flower

            Truth is found in all sorts of places. You have problems with that? *shrug* oh WELL …

          • Michael Petch

            So my understanding then is that non-Muslims would never deliberately fly a plane into the ground. Let us say I was going to fly this particular plane to its doom I would have probably noticed that there are a number of nuclear reactors around the flight path.

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  • Puttiegoo

    During a search of his house German Police found a shredded doctor’s giving Lubitz sickleave for the day of the crash, he was treated regurarly for a depression, but kept it hidden from his employer and collegae’s, after thorougly investigating his way of life there is no reason to believe he had converted to Islam, neither was his girlfriend, this according to German Police, and they don’t fabricate stories, they work thoroughly.
    So far with your Islamic terrorist theories, it was the deed of a sick mind, and before you start to comment that all Muslim terrorists have sick minds, i already know, but this proves you don’t have to be a Muslim to have a sick mind.
    And no, i’m not a Muslim myself, i only keep an open mind.

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  • MovieJay

    I would hope you people would be smarter than to just believe what’s being said in this article. The FB page was founded AFTER the events took place and for this article. There is every reason to believe Pam Geller started that page. Grow up, guys. There’s no evidence anywhere yet that says Lubitz was a Muslim convert.

    • Guest

      Don’t confuse people with pesky things like the facts.

    • ANNG14

      Let me guess Michael Mannheimer and Pam Gellar are Jewish.

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  • hurricanepaul

    If the co-pilot was a Jihadist, he would have been screaming “Alluah Achbar!” over and over as the plane was heading for the ground.
    The guy was suffering from some form of mental illness and did a heck of a job of keeping it pent up inside.
    No telling what kinds of evil, twisted thoughts he had that finally drove him over the edge.

  • THINKER

    I will never fly with any airline from now on which will not answer a very simple question: DOES YOUR AIRLINE EMPLOY ANY MUSLIM OR ISLAMIC FLIGHT CREW, GROUND CREW, OR BAGGAGE HANDLERS? If the answer is yes, I will NOT fly with you. If you choose to not answer my question, because you choose political correctness over my my right of survival, I will NOT fly with you. I suggest everybody immediately adopt this philosophy OF SELF PRESERVATION. Maybe if enough people adopt this position, the airlines will terminate all Muslims, and we can all feel safer flying the friendly skies.

    • Michael Petch

      So you can drive your car to avoid Muslims? Good luck with that.

    • wallflower

      Do you think they care or something? they got enough money, there are enough other passengers who would happily go in your place. The only one who will lose something is you, because you will probably never be able to go on vacation by airplane. muslims are everywhere, and they’re super dangerous. always be careful! no airplane, no car, no bus,no train, no tube, no walking, no talking, not even breathing because muslims are breathing in the same air !!!!!! have fun staying in your house forever xx (by the way, maybe it was built by a muslim??? have you ever checked that? I would if I were you, they could have put a bomb in the ceiling or something omg)

  • Pava Kava

    whatever he was…by the look of that page it is certain islam is a cult of death

    • wallflower

      what excatly is a cult of death?

      • Pava Kava

        wallflowers need not know…frack you

        • Michael Petch

          I’d like to know too. I figured you felt Christians were a cult of death since they blow up truck bombs in the US killing 168 people and injuring more than 500 more. Or that Christians in Ireland blew people up in the name of their christian based religion. If that is what you meant then I’d say that Christians do seem capable of killing themselves for their views and maybe to you that makes them members of a death cult?

          • Pava Kava

            ???….Michael…are you insane?

          • Michael Petch

            Is what I said not truthful about Christians engaging in terrorism?

          • Pava Kava

            no..it is not true…and what you wrote tells me that not everything is right inside your head…so better go and do a check up…my friendly advice…

          • Michael Petch

            So I am not right in the head because I don’t have innate hatred of Muslims? And because I don’t paint a rosy picture of Christianity? I see Christianity and Islam as destructive forces on the planet.

          • Pava Kava

            you must be insane for not hating evil…you must be evil yourself to do that…

          • monolith

            Kava, you are a racist Jew. Of course, you will deny this, but you’re only denying it because you are a coward.

            If you go to vnnforum or other places like that, they actually own up to their racism. But here you are cowardly hiding behind lies in a futile effort to fool people into thinking there is something inherent about Islam that is evil.

          • Pava Kava

            please tell me retard…what is wrong with being racist?

          • monolith

            Thanks for, once again, proving everything Hitler said about you judenratz 100% correct.

          • Pava Kava

            when time comes, I promise, you’ll suffer…there won’t be any foolishness like gas chambers and ovens…too freaking fast for you, monkeys

          • monolith

            Sorry, sugar tits, but that time isn’t going to come, ever.

          • Flower

            Ahh there it is!! Name-calling! SO typical of mindless liberals!

          • monolith

            First, I am not a liberal. I have posted absolutely nothing that would make any rational human think I’m a liberal. Further, you say that as if it’s a bad thing. Thus making it an insult.(See point #2.) I would bet dollars to donuts that if we really examined your political perspectives that you would fit the profile of a liberal in everything but your racist hatred of Arabs and support of Israel’s racist policies against Arabs, Blacks and many others.

            Second, you are calling me mindless, so you are name calling. So, what’s your point? You actually think that you’re superior because you claim I engage in an activity that you also engage in?

          • Flower

            Someone is “racist” because they view Islam to be evil? REALLY?! Are all Muslims the same color???? Hmmm I didn’t know that!

            LMSBO!!

          • monolith

            Yes, he is racist because he hates Muslims. Not because he thinks they are evil. That’s just his excuse.

          • monolith

            Are you Christian? Look at his comment history and even the comments below. That’s what he thinks of you. (Assuming your Christian.) You’re a fool for going along with his lies.

          • Flower

            No. I am Messianic Jew. But thanks for showing your ignorance. I truly appreciate it and will pray for you.

          • monolith

            What am I ignorant of?

            See, you play like you’re a Christian with a specific intent to deceive.

          • Flower

            honey, again, I’m a Jew.

          • Flower

            Christians, particularly American Christians, do more humanitarian work around the globe than any other single group in the entire world. There is nothing “destructive” about saving lives, giving food, shelter and clothing to the homeless, helping disaster victims, etc. Your judgment shows a lack of knowledge and a true ignorance.

            Check out “Victory Ships” … it is a non-profit organization that uses every dollar that is donated to it, to give medical help to people who have never seen a doctor in their lives. They are a beautiful example of Christianity in a hurting world. Yet you sit behind your computer and say Christians are a “destructive force.” That, mikey, is ignorance beyond comparison.

          • Michael Petch

            I’m glad my ignorance apparently makes me a well rounded balanced individual who doesn’t cave into religious ideology. I’ll take your comment as a nice compliment. Thanks!

          • Flower

            Au contraire. You are FAR from being “well rounded”! ANYONE who believes everything came from nothing, is FAR “well rounded!”

            LOL!!

          • Michael Petch

            Christians believe that God created the Universe. Let us go with that. That means that God’s existence predated the universe and thus God existed from nothingness. However those Christians have a hard time believing that the situation that brought about the universe could not come out of nothingness alone yet they believe that of their God. Seems to me one is arguing different sides of the same coin.

            Try asking Christians who created their God and usually they don’t take that very kindly.

          • Flower

            Mikey, honey, NOBODY created God! He has always BEEN – outside of time. He CREATED time! Come on, keep up! I know you can if you try!

          • monolith

            Christianity only exists because of Jews. Christianity conquered Europe much like it did the Americas, with blood. Most all races of the world were minding their own business until Jewish-Christianity and Jewish-Islam started interfering and forcing conversion.

            Europeans had their own tribes, same with Africans and Native Americans. And we all basically minded our own business until Judeo-Christianity/Islam came along.

          • Flower

            Christianity exists because of CONSTANTINE! Yeshua didn’t start a new religion! He was a Jew! He lived and taught Torah! And those who follow Him will ALSO live Torah, just as he showed us how!

          • monolith

            You’re just twisting facts to suit your Zionism. Constantine did not write the Bible. Which is largely a work of fiction. There is no historical evidence that “Yeshua” or Jesus ever existed.

          • Flower

            honey, I’m a Jew, save your name-calling.

          • The terrorist attack in the USA that killed 168 people, was that done for Christianity?

          • Flower

            No, it wasn’t.

          • I agree,

          • Michael Petch

            It was done by a Christian. But some factions of the IRA did use religious ideology in their terror. Then we have the Christians who called themselves the KKK who killed blacks in the name of God. Then there were the Christians in Romania who engaged in ethnic cleansing. The list goes on.

            If you somehow believe that Muslims have some disposition for killing others (for whatever reason) I think one should take a look at the demographics for prisons in the Western world.

            Christians are just as good at killing people as anyone else when they feel it is necessary.

            Christians IMHO are not morally superior creatures on the planet.

          • I didn’t ask you about all that other stuff. Why do insist to be such a hateful person ?

          • Michael Petch

            I am hateful for pointing out that Christians kill people? And some of them have done it in the name of God and religion. But if I were to point out Muslims killing people I’m just like the rest of you? Muslims, Christians, secular people all engage in killing people. Some for religious reasons, some not. Within society there are humans who have no problem snuffing out the life and liberty of fellow humans.

          • Flower

            Mikey … you’re simply ignorant. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslim. What McVey did was horrific … but look at the comparison of thousands of incidents that were perpetrated by Muslims.

          • Did I say that was the reason why youre a hateful person? No I didn’t!
            Why must you continue with your hate towards anyone here? Does it make you superior in your mind?

          • Flower

            Liberals are like that. They’re angry most of the time and when they can’t win their arguments, they resort to name-calling.

          • Michael Petch

            Name calling. What did I say that was name calling?

          • Flower

            I was making an observation … not particularly about you, but about liberals in general.

          • Michael Petch

            Most of my friends know me a lot better than that ;). Just because I don’t have a hate on for Muslims doesn’t mean I am liberal (I am right-libertarian). I’m all for dealing with extremists (no matter what religion) who look to destroy the lives of others. In Canada we have a Conservative leader that I fully support and that includes engaging ISIS/ISIL both on the ground and in the air. However ISIL/ISIS isn’t representative of the billion+ Muslims on the planet in the same way Terry Jones and groups like White Supremacists don’t define all of Christians.

            I do defend the right of Christians and Muslims to practice their religions. Whether I agree with them believing in a mythical deity is another matter. I disagree with the extremist elements in both Christianity and Islam. Both preach and practice levels of intolerance, bigotry and hatred in the name of their God.

          • Interesting, I pointed out that suicidal Muslim pilots need to seek professional help, and you feel that I was attacking “all” muslim.
            You’re full of c r a p Mikey.

          • Michael Petch

            You better go back an read my first responses to you. It had nothing to do with you commenting about *all* Muslims it had to do with you singling out Muslim PILOTS regarding depression and suicide. Why do you think I first asked you about non-Muslim pilots? You also took a shot at Imam’s so I looked for clarification in my first followups.

            It wasn’t until you labelled me an islamaphobe (when I was supporting Muslims and you have yet to provide quotes to back up your claim about me) and saying I was spewing hate that I started to believe that you don;t know what the term is at all and that somehow my pro-Muslim sentiments are a real concern for you.

            I asked you previously. I asked about your feeling about Muslims,in general and I have told you mine. Your lack of an answer suggests where your feeling lie. If you want me to think differently it would be nice if you actually tried answering some simple questions. But I think I’ll have to wait until proverbial hell freezes over.

          • You need to go back and read your first post. It’s about suicidal Christians.
            Stop being so arrogant for once in your life.

            I specifically wrote suicidal muslim pilots need to please seek help and your third or fourth post you said I was attacking Muslims.
            As in generalizing “all” Muslims.

            I am extremely offended that you have a need to tell me that you thinking I am attacking Muslims, when in fact I am trying to help suicidal Muslim pilots.

            If you must know my hate filled Muslim apologist on how I feel about Muslim people.
            Simply put, people are people, good,bad,rude & kind. Let me not forget arrogant also. I’m sure you can relate to that.

          • Michael Petch

            Since you singled out Muslims I specifically asked you about Christian pilots so that you could elaborate on your post. I didn’t start out with the assumption that you were anti-Muslim. I gave you a chance to clarify. And when we agreed about Christians I suggested you would have been less biased and ambiguous about your original post by extending the statement to including all pilots independent of religious affiliation (since technically you agreed with me about Christians). After that you took it as some sort of personal attack and I’m the Islamaphobe and bigot for considering Muslims and Christians as equal in the domain of being susceptible to suicide and depression.

            I believe what really happened is that you expected no one to challenge what you have to say and took offense that you would be challenged. And to you challenged = someone hating you.

            I also didn’t engage in something that you did. I didn’t use an Ad Hominem attack, but you did. Those who engage in Ad hominem attacks in a debate do so for a reason. If you can’t debate what a person says it is easier to go after who they are, not what they say.

            I also found it interesting that you falsely assumed I was a Muslim! Almost like the only people who would have my view must be Muslim. Have to say there are people on the right side of the political spectrum who don’t paint all Muslims with the same brush.

          • I can’t read all that you wrote. Read your first post. You just stated Christians. Not Christian pilots.

            You are the one that needs to look in the mirror as in being challenged.
            You think your thoughts are gold but in fact it is only fools gold.
            Don’t telle how I should write something when you are at fault.

            Again I wrote suicidal Muslim pilots and you tried to include everyone as in not just suicidal musl pilots but everyone.

            You want to take on everyone, be my guest, but how dare you tell me that I should do the same.

          • Michael Petch

            Where did I tell you that you couldn’t take on people? Please quote that. I told you that you might wish to consider revising your statement but at no point have I trampled on your freedom of free speech.

            As for my original comment you set the context of Pilots, and I asked about Christians. Within your context that would be me talking about Christian pilots. In my followup to your second response what I suggested as an alternative wording of your statement put things back into context of pilots since I said that you might consider rewording to:

            “I hope the next time a pilot feels depressed & suicidal, they seek professional help. (professional help: not a religious leader)”

            That suggestion takes Christans and Muslims out of the equation and that ANY pilot with such tendency seek help. I also removed the reference of a specific religious figure and replaced it with something generic.

            At that point you went off on me.

            Let us assume for a moment that you didn’t understand context. If I assume you took it as all Christians then I’d like to point out that it includes pilots. Christian pilots are a subset of Christians. It is nice to know that you would believe that *all* Christians should get professional help. I really was only concerning myself about the subset but that is still covered by your answer.

            I still haven’t heard you tell me what Islamaphobic remark I made was?

            So let us turn this around a bit. Here is a simple question. Do you agree or disagree with this statement “I hope the next time a pilot feels depressed & suicidal, they seek professional help. (professional help: not a religious leader)”

            Yes/No response is all that is needed.

          • I’m not reading all of that right now.
            You engaged in conversation with me and tried to guide me into your hate filled world.

            You are the one adding to what I wrote to fit your agenda.

            You are really an evil person.

            Ok Mikey, at this point I don’t agree with anything you say.
            You are implying that just using the word Muslim is wrong.
            I am offended that you think that way.

          • Michael Petch

            I take the time to actually respond to you so that I can understand. You won’t go beyond some emotional context which pretty much suggests you are female. What specifically did I say that makes me evil? That I like Muslims?

            And more importantly what agenda do I have? Maybe if you explain what my agenda is maybe I can figure out what you are saying. To be quite frank I have a very low opinion of Gellar. In fact she is everything I would never be! Only reason I ended up on this site is because people (including Gellar) believe in a concocted story with no basis in fact – just one German’s wild speculations.

            To be honest I have been far more supportive of Muslims than you have been. Since you consider me an Islamaphobe for supporting them then I wonder if you consider yourself an Islamaphobe? Just asking.

          • Now you want me to go into specifics, more details? When before you wanted me to generalize everyone.

            You are a nut. ( humorous way)

            Mikey boy, give up. I’m not giving you what you want to try and attack me more.

            What I wrote is specific(suicidal Muslim pilots please seek professional help).
            Take your suggestions and stuff them bro!
            Nothing wrong with what I wrote and no need for you to try and change it with your suggestions.

          • Michael Petch

            I asked for clarification based on a generalization at the start. I then question your actual views and motivations not from the first part of the conversation but from the bigot, Islamphobic, hate filled agenda comments you discussed AFTER. On those points I was looking for specifics. You still haven’t given me quotes proving your case about me, and to be honest I don’t think you understand some of the terms you use. But until I get actual answers it is very hard for me to take you seriously.

            If you ask a Muslim to look at our discussion today, I think they might suggest one of us is Islmaphobic and it might not be who you think.

          • Mikey? What makes you think that I care if a muslim thinks that you are an islamophobe?

            I think your estrogen is getting the best of you.

            I don’t take anything you say seriously.

          • Michael Petch

            No, I don’t have a problem with you saying just Muslim, but you did state you agreed that Christians should seek help for suicidal thoughts and depression when I asked. Christian pilots are Chirstians (right?). So I find it highly suspicious that you think pilots of other religions should get professional help but you singled out just Muslims and specifically commented about Imams. And if you read back earlier today I actually made a comment that it wasn’t the part about Muslims that caught my attention. I got the distinct feeling your view was buried in the statement about Imams! I gave you a chance to elaborate and rather than discuss it you went on a tirade instead.

            It all is funny since there isn’t any evidence that Libutz was even a Muslim

          • Michael Petch

            But I am going to end on this note. Shortly after you went on your tirade about me being Islamaphobic and being hate filled I spent some time researching you. Although you keep your profile private so I can’t easily find your posts, using Google I happened to find other posts you have made especially on Gellar’s site. My view that you are Islamaphobic comes from a couple of posts in the article “Pamela Geller, an American version of the Dutch Islamophobe Geert Wilders, has been at the forefront of whipping up anti-Muslim frenzy”

            Here is the thing. You have a history of spewing off negative Muslim sentiment and rhetoric in other posts on Gellar’s site yet you want me to believe you don’t have an anti-Muslim bias? I didn’t know for sure with the discussion we had in this Lubitz article but after reading other things you have written, the feeling that I got from your post today was justified.

            From a psychological perspective your tirade against me about Islamaphobia and hate appeared to be nothing more than something called self-projection. This is where you project your own attitudes and feeling on to others and it is often used as a defense mechanism against ones own anxiety or guilt.

            In the end, my crime of hate was probably as much about not painting a rosy picture of Non-Muslims (Christians) as it was about supporting Muslims. I also suspect that me debating you wasn’t something you wanted because you probably felt that in Gellars home (website) that you would be among people who would support your assertions. When that didn’t happen you had to get all defensive and then pretty much refused to discuss anything.

            Am I a hateful person for looking at all the things you have been writing on this site? .No, I just like to be informed about the people I interact with. Reminds me of using Duck Typing in software engineering to determine the nature of an object.

          • you’re right and wrong.

            I knew from the start that you were baiting me but your arrogance blinds your thoughts.

            Projection? You are guilty also. How’s it feel muslims apologist?
            Keep hating people who you feel are inferior to you.

            Islamophobe! Made up word. Are you a doctor who can recognize phobias or are you just a wannabe bigot who needs to label people so you can hate them for a reason.

            Just remember Mikey, I love you.

          • Michael Petch

            Oh it didn’t take me long to know you were actually anti-Muslim, but in the first 2 posts I had to give you benefit of the doubt (you might have been a reasonable person so I gave you a chance). I wasn’t going to jump to an ill formed conclusion. This post I am responding to makes it clear I was right. I knew by asking you to quote to back up your claims against me that you would never answer.

            It is Self-Projection not Projection. Care to show me some quality I associated with myself that I projected onto to you?

            I am Libertarian who makes no apologies for being against religious fear mongering from the religious right. I am guilty as charged. I am guilty of not being intolerant of all Muslims because of some extremists. I am guilty of supporting a Muslim mayor. I am guilty of supporting Stephen Harper and Canada’s mission against ISIS/ISIL. I am guilty of believing that Muslims have just as much right to practice their religion as Christians. I am guilty of not blindly supporting intolerant bigoted Christians (or Muslims for that matter). Some Christians are fine folks, Just like Muslims. But others like those who support sites like this and ISIS/ISIL give the rest of their religion a bad name. Yes, religious Christian extremists and ISIS/ISIL share a lot in common.

            But I don’t feel guilty for having the view that you can’t measure the acts of a few and project it onto the many. If I did that then Terry Jones would make ALL Christians truly evil.

          • Why must you offend me at every turn? You are pathetic!

            I am not anti/muslim, but you are anti/Christian,Judism,Islam ect.
            You are the one who is filled with hate, not me.

            Stop with your projection of bigotry.

            I’m on my iPhone buttnutt. Auto correct, SELFprojection. Feel better?

          • Michael Petch

            I did find it interesting you talk about the word Islmaphobe as being a Made up Word. If it is a made up word, why were you the first person to use it in our discussion? You just toss made up words around? The English language changes as new words are coined. Oxford English Dictionary recognizes Islamaphobe and Islamaphobia.

            Who is it that I hate. I think you could use some help, but have no reason to hate you. If I asked you to quote something that suggested I hate you then please quote it (i know I’ll only hear crickets chirping as response).. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t imply hate. Maybe you think that, but that isn’t how the real world operates.

            I minored in psychology when I got my Computer Science degree. I’m not a doctor (just undergrad degree) but I do know a fair amount of psychology.

            If you feel inferior it isn’t because I think you are inferior – I just think that the religious right is often irrational. Gellar is a smart woman but it doesn’t mean her message makes any sense. If you feel inferior then maybe your position is a weak and indefensible one?

          • oh Mikey is on the attack now. All words are made up, unless Mikey thinks they magically appears.
            Here you go being arrogant again, thinking you have it all figured out.

            Jesus loves you! The Christian Jesus that is.
            Well, that’s what I heard anyways.

            Keep the hate up Mikey, you’re on a roll now!
            Good times, good laughs with a Muslim apologist.

          • Michael Petch

            That would be the same Jesus spoken about in the Qu’ran. Yes I know the tails and tall stories told in both the new testament and Qu’ran. Stories overlap but the myth diverges at crucifixion and that he was the son of God.

            As an atheist which story about someone who may have lived 2000 years ago is irrelevant because God(s) and religions are purely a human construct to help apply morals to society at any given time in human history.

            Religion is a simple tool to keep people(followers) in line. None of it has to be real to be effective. For all I know Muslims and Christians worship the same God but from differing perspectives.

          • You’re babbling Mikey. I don’t care what you know about religion.
            The only simple tool here is you.

            Just remember that there is nothing wrong with someone writing that a suicidal muslim pilot should seek professional help.
            So get off your high horse and attack someone else you muslim apologist.

          • Flower

            You might not have a “hate on” for Muslims, but you definitely have a hate on for Christians and no doubt, Jews.

          • STFUWingNuts

            God – this is so refreshing! To see a right-libertarian actually thinking logically – there is hope for the world!

          • Yes flower, I know. Thanks

            They feel that only their thoughts should be heard and everyone else is racist,ignorant,islamophobe ect.

          • Michael Petch

            Hate = disagreeing? I’m still looking for you to quote some of my Islamaphobic comments, and I’d even accept you looking for hateful commentary I made? Quotes should be very easy for you.

            I’m also going to point something else out. I don’t hide behind pseudonyms while posting on the internet. I actually use my real name so when I say it I do so without a cloak of anonymity. My FB profile is public so I’d even accept you looking for my purported Islamaphobic comments there. https://www.facebook.com/michael.petch . My phone number isn’t privately listed either so you can easily look me up with an online 411 service (for Canada) and it will cost you nothing.

          • Are you kidding me? Now your telling me I’m hiding?
            What a very weak person you are.
            You absolutely think you are superior.
            Seek help. Professional help. Please not from an imam or a priest.

          • Michael Petch

            As an Athesit I’d probably be talking to the pasta maker in my kitchen for emotional and psychiatric advice.

          • I don’t care what your beliefs are. Please understand that!

            Seek professional help as you are filled with so much hate.

          • Flower

            And BECAUSE of that, you are the way you are. You are Godless.

          • topjkl

            Please leave abortion out of this discussion.

          • Michael Petch

            Whoa, where did abortion come from. I’m talking about all the non-Muslim killers who committed homocide that are locked up across western nations. Whether christian or Muslim it seems society has an element of individuals who have no problem killing other people. Where abortion came from is beyond me!

          • Michael Petch

            But for the record, a fetus isn’t a human being in Canada and I agree with that view.

          • Flower

            FYI, “fetus” is latin for HUMAN! Come on, mikey, keep up! I know you can!! Life begins at CONCEPTION! At 19 days there is a heartbeat! At 41 days, there are brainwaves! Come on … pay attention, little man! You can do it!

          • Michael Petch

            In English vernacular a fetus is the UNBORN offspring of a mammal (not necessarily a human). Life starts at the moment of conception but until it is born it remains a fetus. And in Canada our Charter of Rights and Freedoms do not extend to a fetus. Therefore a woman’s right to choose trumps any perceived right of a fetus.

            In US code “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is BORN ALIVE at any stage of development.

            More on that can be found here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

            As for Latin etymology fetus wasn’t even associated with human beings or mammals. It was more generic. The word fetus (plural fetuses) is from the Latin fetus (offspring), (bringing forth), (hatching of young).

            Even the Latin etymology suggests the view of some sort of “birth” mechanism. Birth is not the same thing as something having life. Cells of a fetus are living, but they aren’t a human being.

          • Flower

            Super duper! Your wife can give birth to a manatee then! So in your genius mine, you think birth means death?! Mikey, you’re so wrapped around the axle you’re WAY around the bend!

          • Flower

            Mc Vey CLAIMED he was raised Catholic. That doesn’t mean he was a Christian. A Christian is someone who has had a born-again experience and their lives have been changed. Obviously, McVey’s life wasn’t changed to the better and there is NOTHING to suggest he ever had a born-again experience. Few Catholics even know what that even means.

          • Flower

            Christians didn’t do that, mikey … do your research.

          • Sean

            Give it a rest will you.
            The IRA scumbags didn’t want to Catholicise the world; Islamic terrorism is all about forcing the world to submit before Allah. I’m sick to death of hearing people make this comparison. The IRA gave up fighting for a “united” Ireland when they knew British troops would never be defeated in a conventional war. Fortunately for the IRA, along came a new Labour government all too keen to give terrorists exactly what they wanted – I bet those bastards Adams and McGuinness haven’t stopped laughing since. The same left-liberal progressives who supported the IRA are now supporting Hamas in its battle against Israel / The Jews. What a surprise.
            Just face facts: the main threat now facing the west comes from Islamic terrorism, not depressed lone-wolves with girlfriend issues / Christians / Jews / Hindus / Buddhists etc. etc. etc….

      • Flower

        Islam is.

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  • raw data

    Interesting discussion.
    When Al Batouti (Crew member) on Egypt Air did a very similar act and drove the aircraft into the Atlantic, American investigators ruled it as suicide. Egypt never accepted this ruling. They used similar rhetoric to this discussion. Where is the absolute unshakable proof. American investigators gave control deflections and flight path data and even a recording of Al Batouti nattering on about Allah until shortly before they all went to the bottom of the Atlantic. But Egypt demanded a level of proof that only Allah could give. As if we can know what evil goes on in the hearts of men.
    Notice the difference in this case. Germany accepts immediately that this is a murder, suicide act. The evidence of that is sufficient for any rational nation. So now the question is why. The subject of Islam is raised. Immediate fight with Islamic fanboys. Whoa. Let’s have the open discussion. If this guy has radical Islamic ties they will be found. So then the argument will be switched to Islam is peaceful and, we’re not all like that. Very similar to the radical feminist argument. In answer to those people on this site, there never will be absolute proof regarding men’s evil or their intentions. But those of us, raised in rational nations will be able to make a reasonable inference of this mans motives when we see the bigger picture of his activities. That will be sufficient for us.

  • Katherine Shanahan Carlson

    think maybe BS?

  • James de Christ

    Muslims have done none of the terror attacks. They are all done by false flags. Israelis are associated with a similar situations where planes fall from the sky, after tampering with the fuel system, causing the plane to fall from the sky straight down to the ground. It is a specific method. They did it with Beverly Eckert and with John Kennedy, son of JFK. John Kennedy was purportedly planning to run for president in 2000 or 2004 and blow open the JFK assassination and he certainly would not have gone along with the sabbatean frankist satanic conspiracy of 9/11. Eckert is a widow of a man who was murdered by the false flag of 9/11 and she had gotten a cause against the government to trial which would have blown the entirety of 9/11 open had it been allowed to go forth. Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of God. They follow the Gospels of Christ. Muslims do virtually nothing in response to what is done to them as they see it as God’s will and pray for better. Many US soldiers will tell you that they have been told time and time again by members of Muslim families that just lost their Fathers and other family members that they forgive them. They take the turn the other cheek requirement to the extreme. It is the result of massive brainwashing and constant false flags that so many believe the lies claiming Muslims are guilty of anything. The Sabbatean frankist Jewish satanists want to get rid of all the good people of the world who are believers, Christians, Muslims and devout Jews. They want to impose a new world order Luciferian tyranny. This could be something they did. Stop the racist lunatic nonsense that is based only upon the brainwashing of mainstream media. There is no truth to any of it.

    • St. Michael Defend Us

      Wow, are you ever wrong about islam. Muslims DO NOT believe that Jesus is the Messiah. They believe he is only a minor prophet, overshadowed by mohammad.

      Please go to this site and find out more about islam:

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

      • Michael Petch

        Actually Muslims do believe that Jesus was a Messiah (Al Maseeh Jesus in the Qu’ran). Muslims do have reverence for Jesus. They don’t believe he is the son of God, the savior and they don’t believe Jesus was crucified. But despite that there is a reverence for him.

        • Flower

          No, they do NOT! They believe he was “a prophet,” ONLY.

          • Michael Petch

            Have you ever spent any time reading the Qu’ran? In fact the term Al-Maseeh. And please note I said “A Messiah” is an attribution given only to Jesus.

            Although I am atheist, It doesn’t mean I find great interest in major religions of the world which include(but not limited to) Hinduism, Christianity, Islam.

            What I won’t call myself is a theologian. I am far from it.

            In the mid 90s for a number of months I lived with a Muslim family in central Alberta (The fellow was a good friend of mine). They identified with Sufi Islam.

          • Flower

            As a matter of fact, yes. I’ve also spoken with several Muslims who claim they believe Jesus (I don’t call Him that, I call Him by the name His family called Him- Yeshua) was a prophet ONLY, not a Messiah.

            And as for you being an atheist, I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist …

          • Michael Petch

            I asked if you ever studied it yourself. It isn’t surprising that you have only talked to people. I think if you actually spent time immersing yourself in their culture and actually try to understand them and their holy book (without bias) you’d probably recognize that most Muslims are really good people. But just like Christians there are the extremist element that give the rest a bad name.

            As for my upbringing I was born to a devout Catholic family so the King James Bible was a staple of my life for 18 years. So I was immersed in Christianity. When I was free from the shackle of my parents I knew what my true feeling were about Christianity. And those feelings pretty much are the same for Islam too.

            As an atheist and libertarian I respect that people have religion, although I may find many mainstream religions to be hypocritical and intolerant.

            Just because I have an interest in Christianity and Islam doesn’t make me a believer in either.

          • Flower

            This is Shabbat and I’m not going to let you pick a fight with me. Have a lovely day.

          • Michael Petch

            And yes somewhere in storage I do have a Qu’ran (an English version) that was gifted to me in the mid 90s. What I regret is that the Qu’ran is probably not stored in a way that would be respectful, but I do respect it enough to keep it.

      • James97USA

        That is a lie. Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah of God and they follow the Gospels as the Word of God. You are either falling for deceptions or pushing them. It is not well known but it is the absolute truth.

      • James97USA

        Muslims believe that Jesus is the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. The Koran states that Jesus was born a virgin birth from his Mother Mary. The Koran is mostly the words of Jesus Christ. Muslims also embrace the entirety of the Gospels of Jesus, as the word of God. You are just pushing false information generated by the Satanists who want to destroy Christianity and Islam.

    • Flower

      WHOA! Are you ever a deceived child!!

      • Michael Petch

        I don’t agree with much of the post by James De christ, but the strange conspiracy theories and rhetoric really aren’t different than Pamela’s brand of politics and those people who are devout followers of hers. Those people are too easily deceived because they can’t see beyond religious ideology. They remain myopic because they have given into what their ideology (and its promoters) say and have lost the capacity for critical thinking.

        • Flower

          If you disagree so much with Pamela Geller, why are you here? MOST of us appreciate her reporting!

          • Michael Petch

            Unfortunately I was reading another site that pointed to AtlasShrugs as proof (which in turn pointed back at the German site). To maintain my understanding of the radical religious right I do lurk on a couple rags including BNI. To better understand an opposition it is generally a good idea to see what they have to say (whether I agree with them or not). Although I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories (whether religious or political), I very much love to read about them for the same reasons I read Islamaphobic sites. But I don’t stop there, I read the left wing extremists rags too – like DU and Mother Jones. Of course when I read them I take them all with a grain of salt given that they are on the fringes.

  • Helmut

    The man was a Zionist Jew. His girlfriend was Rebecca Goldbach,. also a Jew.
    This is misinformation. Please try and find some reality.
    Lobwitz committed mass murder on Innocent German citizens.
    Only people attempting to divert the truth would post a fake Facebook and claim Muslim affiliation.
    Go to Focus magazine to see the truth, or simply google Lobwitz not muslim.

    • Flower

      Umm sorry, Helmut, but his girlfriend was a Muslim. That’s fact.

      • Michael Petch

        I guess someone will have to contact Oxford and have “fact” redefined.

        • Helmut

          Please google Goldbach Ludwitz
          Goldbach is also a jewish name
          Ludiwtz was not gay, not a muslim, but was a Jew and he was very proud of Netanyahu winning.His Facebook was plain, and no Muslim posts were found. please google both names and stop posting false muslim rumors. If anything, Ludwitz did what he did for a Zionist cause, to pay back Germany for WW2

          • Michael Petch

            Umm, I have spent the day supporting the view that there is no evidence that Lubitz was a Muslim. So my question is, what false Muslim rumour did I spread? I said Lubitz has NOT been proven to be a Muslim. If you want me to believe something else then your gonna have to provide some facts.

      • Helmut

        Thats a lie. Google Goldbach Ludwitz.. His GF was Jewess.

        • Flower

          Take up your idiot accusations with his family who gave that information to the press. :-)

          • monolith

            Both of you are making idiot accusations.

          • Flower

            Check news, little girl.

          • wallflower

            No, you give a link where that is officially stated. Prove it

          • Flower

            I did. Yesterday. It’s been all over Facebook. His family said he converted to Islam during the 6 months break in his job awhile back.

      • Helmut

        Flower,. do you feel stupid now?

    • James de Christ

      That is correct Helmut. Good work. The truth is something deceptive people avoid.

      • Helmut

        Thanks James. You know who controls the media and wants the truth covered up//;)

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  • BeautifulAmerica

    I KNEW IT!!! What else could it possibly have been?
    Thanks for the info, Brave Pam.

    • Michael Petch

      Maybe it could be a non-Muslim who no longer valued his life and the lives of the people on board the plane?

      • BeautifulAmerica
        • monolith

          No doubt you’re another insane Jew desperately spreading lies about your enemies.

          • Flower

            Anti-Semite, huh?

          • monolith

            You’re an anti-semite if you follow Jesus. He stated that Jews were the spawn of Satan. That’s as anti-Semitic as it gets.

          • Flower

            honey, i’m a Jew … The Messiah was/is a Jew!

            LOL!!

          • monolith

            If you believe Jesus is the messiah then he is God, and therefor not a Jew. God cannot be a member of a religion, because God doesn’t worship himself. It’s not hard to understand.

            That said, Jesus is a fictional character. There is no historical evidence that he ever existed.

            Same thing with 90% of the stories in the Old Testament/Tanakh. They’re all fabrications/delusions of 2-4 thousand year old goat herders. Many stories like Adam and Eve were ripped off straight from the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Exodus story about being slaves from Egypt is a complete falsehood. This lie proves conclusively that not only are Jews not the chosen people of God(if he even exists at all) but that Jews have no claim to their supposed holy land of Israel because the whole reason Yahweh delivered them from their imaginary slavery was to give them that piece of land.

            In other words, the whole history of Judaism is a lie from the very beginning.

          • Flower

            Indeed, Yeshua was/is a Jew. As am I.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Stoooopid!

      • Guest

        Well, yea. He post-actively aborted them. It was his right. They aren’t human anymore, they are corpses. Nothing more to discuss.

  • Morgan Jeffens

    Pamela Geller are always full of lies check your surces you stupid shamuta

    • monolith

      Pfft…You don’t need to check any sources to see that this piece is as real as a three dollar bill.

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  • HeLives

    I’m getting haters for posting what he was. People all undone b/c they don’t believe it & want ‘proof’!

    When will the news post about the Malaysian flight being the same?
    People rather keep their heads in the sand, than face the ugly reality.

    • Flower

      Yup!

    • Michael Petch

      So do tell, what is the truth of MH370?

      • Michael Petch

        *think to myself that the no-response response is an actual answer to my question* – He doesn’t know any truths.

        • Flower

          Perhaps it’s because it’s not what this story was about … and also, because you’re rude to anyone you disagree with ;-)

          • Michael Petch

            As for the subject, I wasn’t the one who brought up the Malaysian flight, but since it became a discussion point by someone else I am more than happy to discuss it.

            If you feel highly educated individuals with competing viewpoints comes to a religious right wing website to debate and discuss issues is rude then I am guilty as charged.

            If you can find all the rude posts I am sure that Pamela and the site administrators would be more than happy to erase them for you.

          • Flower

            I’m quite capable of minimizing posts, which I wholly intend to do with all of yours from here on out. You have nothing helpful to add to the subject, just demeaning insults.

          • luvourtroops

            He is a typical Liberal.

    • Flanagan

      Well, all of your comments have been deleted. Obviously a hate monger who is afraid of what you have to say. This was the most recent comment that was still up. I don’t understand the deleting of comments such as yours. I have flagged comments that were filled with racist, bigotry, with every vile insult to every human group on earth, and the comments were NEVER taken down. I hope you get this. I am sorry this was done to you, and I hope you can find a way to get answers. A wholesale deleting of anyone’s comments, that were neither offensive nor insulting should not be allowed.

      • HeLives

        Thank you for your support.
        I don’t lose sleep over the haters. It’s all a part of the times we’re in.
        It’s not me personally they hate. It’s who I speak up for.
        I just pray for the blind to see, before it’s too late for them.
        I can get ‘off color’ in my replies too. Far from sainthood, here. ;)
        I got a notice that I was being stopped from posting. That’s never happened before. So IDK if it’s permanent or not. Won’t kill me if it’s permanent. I was away from posting for a couple weeks as it was, recently & it was nice, actually. :)

        I never realized how ‘narrow’ the road to God really is, until I started doing this. I was amazed at one time. Now, I have come to expect it.
        Again, I thank you for your open mind & support. It is appreciated.

        • Flanagan

          You are right. It IS the times we are living in. In the Book of Revelations it was prophesied that the numbers of non-believers would proliferate. I so enjoyed your posts. You were always so respectful in the face of ridicule from others.
          I actually have 2 friends who are agnostic, and we have had many thoughtful conversations about out opposing beliefs. But we have always been mutually respectful, and that is what is so lacking in most of the individuals who choose not to believe.
          I hope I will see you again on the posts. But whatever happens, I hope life is good to you in every way……
          Flanagan

          • HeLives

            I fear for those who choose to remain blind & cold toward Christ. I have non believers as friends & even in my family.
            As in your case, we are respectful of each other. Altho w/my family, they can get pretty heated about it. But I’ve noticed that many times, non believers are easily riled on the subject & can get pretty hot headed. That is apparent on these boards too. Satan can’t stand the sight or sound of God’s name, so yeah, too bad. lol
            I don’t broach the subject much w/the family members, b/c it’s just too difficult. So I just continue to pray for them as I do my friends & even the on line haters I don’t know, that something will come to them in their lives, to turn them around. It’s really not worth getting all undone about in an argument. So, I give it to God. He knows much more than we do, how to deal w/them. ;)
            Seems I’m unable to post at all w/ABC. Oh well. Maybe I’ll have to get another account, or just not bother & keep w/the couple others I can still post on. Leave the haters to themselves. ;)
            I did want to catch up w/someone (Pari) who I had a lot of discussion going with, concerning the pope in a story prior to Easter & will not be able to now. Oh well. That’s what I get for not doing that first, when I returned the other day.

            My apologies to my faithful followers. I was always surprised when someone would do that w/me. I’ll try to post again in a day or so, to see if I can then. Or maybe I’m banned for good.
            I don’t get into how all this stuff works, so IDK.
            Be Blessed & keep looking UP!
            Some BIG changes are on the horizon. ;)

          • HeLives

            Hey! How ’bout that apple watch to purchase things?
            Great stepping stone to getting the masses introduced to the microchip implanted!
            Moving right along…. ;)

          • Flanagan

            I guess the good news is, you’ve just been banned from “the other” cite, and not world wide. Thank goodness for that!
            Ahh yes, the apple watch. Makes me think of the Dick Tracy watch. Who ever would have thought there really would be one some day.
            I remember watching Star Trek in the 60’s. There was an episode where Capt. Kirk was holding a small disc, and was crowing about all of the thousands of pieces of information that was contained on it. Of course, we all laughed and said Sure, make us believe THAT could happen…..
            And then it did……..

          • HeLives

            Yes, anything to do w/’ab.’, apparently. OK still on others. I use ‘a’ more than others, b/c I prefer their site set up over others. However, as for the news of what’s really going on, I don’t rely on the national news. Too censored & bias.
            A lot is going to be happening, that no one would have thought…. or believed. It’s on a rapid roll at this point. Exciting & scary at the same time for those of us who ‘see it coming’. Exciting for us. Scary for the blind.
            I was a Trek fan too. Amazing how much of the ‘fantasy’ has come to be in so many ways. 1st thing to come to mind was the human microchip that will be required of people to take, in order to buy goods, do business, etc. They will do away w/$. It will be a 1 world gov’t & system by then. And, it’s really not that far off. They talk about a 1 world system all the time now. Certainly could be w/in my lifetime. (& I personally believe it will be)
            They’ve been steadily doing away w/cash for a while, now. So b/c it’s been a gradual change, people are not really aware of what’s all behind it. Same thing w/all the electronic & other advances.
            ‘Progress’ is very much the disguise for what evil will be used for, & is already being used for.
            The chip is already in use, just not like it will be. They’re testing it for use w/some Alzheimer’s patients & looking for possible use in hard core criminals, so they could be tracked easily. Both good things in those cases, so it will be easier for people to accept down the line for general use.
            We’ve put it in our dogs for years now & think nothing of it. So, another little ‘artificial sweetener’, to make it taste better, so to speak.
            People who are unaware of it’s real meaning at the time, will fall for it & be lost. & Some will see no other way to survive & take it b/c of that.
            It’s what I worry most about w/those I love, who are not yet ‘aware’ & I know will fall for something like that, when the time comes, if they are still around for it. Many of my ‘haters’ would jump on it. ;)
            As God said, “Let those who have eyes to see, see. And those who have ears to hear, hear.” And the most sobering,
            “Many will perish for lack of knowledge.”
            But it will be by their own choice. It will be very sad, indeed.
            Thank you for continuing contact. :)

          • Flanagan

            How delightful to hear from you. I LOVE reading your posts. I answered a couple of others, saving yours for the last. Unfortunately, now I’m pooped (I do volunteer work, and it was a looooong day). I look forward to answering your message in the morning, after I have had a nice sleep.
            Take care, and I’ll be back!

  • knowbetter12

    this man is a Jew and yet we don’t hear anything about his religion search his name and you will know so get your facts strait before you pin it to Islam again
    do you think the media could have given you the right to say or suggest this first no way but if someone kills 100, 150 or 500 and is not Muslim then they are sick but if they are they are terrorists

    dont try to get scores on who visits your blog by spreading a hit lie

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  • Giacomo Vallone

    What Islamic aspect of the murder? He was jewish!! You created that fake facebook page to spread hate. This article is countering your lies wel! and has been seen by almost as many people!
    http://www.europeanknightsproject.com/was-germanwings-death-pilot-a-psycho-gay-jew/

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  • couchtripper

    A page with ONE like is evidence of a Muslim plot? You fucking lunatic.

  • luvourtroops

    Thanks Pamela Geller for posting this !! Others in the media wont even though some German websites claim that he was a muslim convert, but in the U.S. the media concentrates on “hidden illness”, “girlfriend break up”, Obama no doubt will call it a “workplace violence” again when, and if he ever will comment on this terror.

    • Michael Petch

      A rather entertaining aspect to all of this is that not all right wing nut job Islamaphobes found this story credible enough to promote on their site. The venerable *cough* *cough* Bonni Benstock who runs Bare Naked Islam had her readership up in arms over the fact that she wasn’t willing to run the story that people like Pam did. And her reasoning? Well I’ll lift it right from her site:

      “I have been deluged with people screaming at me because I am not reporting that the “co-pilot was a Muslim convert.” That is because ALL the so-called ‘evidence’ is coming from a single internet source, Speisa, in which the only ‘hard evidence’ provided is that the author, himself, says so. Should any real hard evidence be published, I will post it.”

      Never thought I would see myself actually agree with something this woman has said, but I guess there was bound to be a first time.

      • luvourtroops

        Hey Einstein, Jeleaus of Pamela Geller because she posted what was posted on Facebook which of course has been taken down since???. BTW, not all Conservative websites are run by “right wing nut job Islamaphobes”. Typical Liberal, name calling you types are best at.. GROW UP !! and get out of your parents basement.

        • Michael Petch

          You should see the post I made today about the left wing nut job sites I frequent. I’m actually libertarian and find the fringe elements on each side of the political system to be less than honest in how they approach the news. Haven’t lived with my parents since 1992. Own my I own condo (no mortgage). You can check out my Facebook page since I don’t hide between an anonymous facade. I remain publicly accountable for the things I say on the Internet.

  • Emmery Neuperger

    You morons don’t understand that there are extremists on the fringes of almost every thing and every group out there. There are Christian nutbars out there who have done worse ,Breavers for example.

    They will never call a white dude a terrorist in the West, regardless of their affiliation with whoever. It would mean printing up new shoot to kill training targets.

  • DJD11

    Seriously? You post a screenshot of a Facebook page with ONE like and THAT’S all the evidence you need to declare, without resereservation, that the co-pilot was Muslim.
    Incredible.
    No, strike that, NON-credible.

    • Michael Petch

      Pamela had to wait for at least one person to like it so that it would become credible ;-)

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  • Bruce Ramsey

    If it comes out that he was a Muslim, Oblamer will probably call the crash a “random of act accidentally locking the door and using the plane to do rock climbing.”

    • Michael Petch

      What will be your narrative if it is found to be a Jewish individual who snuffed out the lives of nearly 150 people and destroyed the lives of countless families?

      • luvourtroops

        I call it terrorism !!!!

    • luvourtroops

      No, Obama will call it “workplace violence” as he did, and still does, about the terror attack at Ft. Hood

  • ilea vazan

    A Jew driven by Islam? Gave me a brake !

    • Flower

      The word you’re looking for is “break”. And yes, it has been reported that during his 6 month BREAK, he converted to Islam.

      • Michael Petch

        One German speculated that and it is now taken as fact. There is no evidence to support that he converted to Islam.

        • Flower

          That’s what you’d like to believe . . .

          • Michael Petch

            Actually he might be a Muslim convert, but so far the evidence doesn’t suggest it. Anyone who takes a single source from the internet that was the speculation of one individual as fact lacks common sense. If there was actual evidence to support Michael Manheimmer’s claim where is it? He didn’t provide proof, just speculation. I believe in ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.

          • Flower

            I believe in God … and I speak English.

          • Michael Petch

            I respect your right to believe in God, as long as you don’t force those beliefs on me. Certain aspects of modern democracies have their basis in core concepts. I picked the Latin version of one particular core concept because the English vernacular was not necessarily the wording I was looking for.

          • Flower

            There is NOTHING you can do about my faith … whether you “respect my right” or NOT! Sheesh! You behave like you’re being so magnanimous! LMSBO!!!

            My faith is a gift from God, it has nothing to do with my own effort OR a “right”!

          • Michael Petch

            Who said I wanted to do anything about your faith?

          • Flower

            You couldn’t if you tried. We’re done here.

          • Michael Petch

            You are welcome!

          • gseattle

            Get a room next time.

  • Rosa Dure

    They are hoping people are just stupid, and some are…not all

  • Rosa Dure

    Don’t mention the M for Muslim, it is not allow.

  • Jacqui

    Throughout these posts Giacomo Vallone has accused Pamela Geller of faking the Lubitz Facebook page to mislead her supposedly illiterate followers and dominate the narrative in order to obsfucate the truth.

    The truth, Vallone argues on his own site, is that Lubitz was a fanatical Jew with a 75 year old grudge against the Germans who read a right wing article by a Jewish extremist (2 weeks ago) and was thus inspired to fly all 150 passengers (of 18 different nationalities) to their deaths. Vallone also ‘highlights’ Lubitz visited Israel 10 times in the last year (is that because he was a pilot perhaps).

    The rest of his argument is basically the same ol same ol its all a Jewish/Zionist conspiracy, via the media, to control the world blah blah blah blah. Like no-one else in history has ever aspired to world dominance except the dreaded Joo!

    You gotta love these guys! So basically his argument is it’s more rational to propose the theory of an angry Jew going kamikaze/mass murderer than to consider a possible Muslim connection?

    Whatever the truth ends up being Vallone is a disingenuous bastard who needs to confront his own desire to control the narrative as evidenced herein.

  • ShirlinOz

    There is no ” Islamic aspect of this murderer”
    Stop believing the conspriacy theories espoused on this web site. It is all fear mongering.
    I don’t like Islam but this web site is an utter disgrace.

    • Flower

      Nobody forced you to come here. Pamela Geller is an AMAZING journalist and I’m GRATEFUL for the work she does!

    • luvourtroops

      And why are YOU on this website???? HYPOCRITE !!!!

    • Sean

      No, Islam is an utter disgrace.

  • luvourtroops

    Thanks Pamela Geller for posting this !!

  • gseattle

    Need more study on microscopic parasites that may alter human
    psychology, so far only one is known, toxoplasma (in 1/3 of humans, from
    undercooked meat for example). It could explain a lot and then be fixable.

  • Roald Atle Furre

    Some sick people should be tracked and been responsible to the judge.

  • TIJERANDY

    Pamela Geller’s appalling bigotry is hideous, as are those who applaud her!

  • TIJERANDY

    I cannot help wondering if ISIS thinks much about Pamela Geller’s obsessive anti-Muslim bigotry and constant spewing of HATE.

  • TIJERANDY

    “The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour on it, the more it contracts.” – Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr

    • Flower

      You seem to be obsessing with both Pamela Geller and bigotry … got a problem you need help with???

  • kennym

    Reality: They have not been able to discover any real motivation for what the co-pilot did. Your anti-Muslim bigotry is really stupid. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/03/29/struggle-to-explain-what-motivated-co-pilot-in-doomed-flight/21158930/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D635232

    • luvourtroops

      would you say the same if he had been an American, and a member of the Tea Party?? Hell no, you probably would believe every word of it.

  • thefinalstand

    Even Natural News on their posts would not allow me to post the possibility that Lubitz brought down the plane as an Islamist terrorist attack. They allowed other “theories”, but not this one. Very surprising, but also very telling. Thank you Ms. Geller for not being afraid to give us this information.

    • luvourtroops

      If that had happened in the U.S. and he had been accused of being a member of the Tea Party, the MSM, the Liberal sites ALL would believe it without any further investigation…..

  • Steve Clarke

    Isn’t it fun being a bigot? While the mob of slavering anti-Muslim lunatics are claiming falsely that Lubitz was a Muslim, over on the other arse cheek the Nazis are claiming that he was a Jew. Lubitz was just a extremely sad individual suffering from severe depression following the break up of his relationship – he had major mental health issues, that’s it. Just because someone rushes to throw up a page on FB says nothing, it could well be false flag effort which wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

    http://national-liberation.org/2015/03/26/germanwings-pilot-andreas-lubitz-exposed-as-a-mossad-kamikaze-agent/

    • Flower

      Don’t know … IS it?? You seem to be one, so please share…

      • Michael Petch

        I don’t see him being intolerant of any group, I see him making a statement that is admittedly rhetoric. Bigoted? I don’t see that in his comment.

  • Julie Sommerkamp Pence

    And if Andreas’ girlfriend was Kathrin Goldbach, is this not her Facebook profile (the only one on FB close to that area), and is she not obviously Muslim in faith although blond and German?

  • luvourtroops

    Just curious……if this had happened in the U.S. and Lubitz had been an American accused of being a member of the Tea Party I wonder how many people would trash the article, trashing people who would believe that he is a Tea Party member. Hell no, they would believe it in an instant without any further investigation !!

    • Michael Petch

      I’d have a problem with any article that was based on pure speculation no matter who the perpetrator was.

      • hey Mikey the white supremacist, I see youre still at it.
        It seems you have a lot of problems. Seek professional help.

  • STFUWingNuts

    The problem that sane people have with this article is not that it is suggesting that Lubitz was a Muslim convert, it’s that there is absolutely ZERO credible evidence presented in support of this suggestion. If such evidence existed and was presented, no one would have any problem believing it. But as it is, all we’ve been shown is what amounts to little more than an opinion piece from some German guy who has decided that this is true. The unsubstantiated claims of some random German guy might be enough evidence for good ol’ Pammy and those of her ilk, but for those of us who are capable of thinking rationally, it just doesn’t cut it.

  • Reme Stax

    That facebook page is soo fake. It looks like something a rookie Mossad operative would do. Israel didn’t realize that ppl would find out that Lubitz traveled to Israel several times in the last year and the fact that Lubitz was an Atheist Jew!!! Oh sorry Gellar Lubitz is a common Arabic name according to you. Even on DW news they showed his family friends who were all Jewish and even dual Israeli citizens. This was a sick Mossad operation as we learned from Lavon Affair and 911. Gellar you are a sick Kazar Kunt and you need to undress and look in mirror and even you will puke at how nasty you are yuck!

  • Reme Stax

    The Zionist media wouldnt even mention the name of him the first couple days. Even though the internet outed him as Lubitz which is exclusively an AshkeNazi Jew surname!

  • leonardo

    Pamella: SHAME ON YOU

    Please, don’t pretend you didn’t know Andreas Lubitz’s origine?
    Lubitz is not a muslim, he is jew.
    Lubitz is a Talmudic Jewish surname used by many Jews of Ashkenazi Slavic descent. “The Lubitz family line can trace it’s history back to the days of the ancient Kingdom of Israel”!

    Please, don’t pretend you didn’t know that Andreas Lubitz traveled 10 times to Israel in 2014?
    Yes, 10 times, to Israel, your mother land, no Irak or Gaza.

    What are your motives to tend to link this psychopath with muslims, using what looks like a fake FB account?
    Am I far from truth saying that odds are you created that fake FB account?

    BTW, what could have been the purpose of A. Lubitz multiple trips to Israel?
    Could it be that
    – he was being manipulated by some islamophobe?
    – he actually was a sionist?

    By linking A. Lubitz to muslims, while knowing that he is a jew, and knowing that he made so many trips to Israel, you clearly are trying to lure truth, while staring hate and tensions
    You are spreading hate and racism, and you should be sued for apology to terrorism.

    Yes that is what you are, an apologist, a hater.

    As I said, SHAME ON YOU

    • Sean

      Stick to painting, Leonardo.

      • Sean´s Mum

        Jump off the next bridge, Sean. (Y)

        • Sean

          I’ll wait till the tide’s in if you don’t mind. I’d rather splash than thud. Have a nice day, “Mum”.

  • Magnus Carlsen

    Muslim terrorists . Go to hell you jihadists

  • Julian Bynge

    So many psychopaths on just one page. Impressive.

  • Always RIght

    Read and Weep. Pamela Geller is nothing but an Islamaphobe. All she is doing is propagating hate just to make some quick bucks

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/lufhansa-knew-of-co-pilots-previous-severe-depression-in-2009/2015/03/31/4db5387e-d7ab-11e4-bf0b-f648b95a6488_story.html?hpid=z1

    • gseattle

      The word “Islamophobe” says false fear, thus a bogus term.

      If you disagree, please go volunteer to have them cut off your head or burn you alive.

    • luvourtroops

      You sound like a “terrorist sympathizer”.

  • ANNG14

    Together with Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar co-founded the Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islamization of America.[10] These organizations were labeled hate groups by UK government officials, who barred Geller’s entry into the UK in 2013.

  • luvourtroops

    For all of you trashing Pamela Geller, trashing posters for mentioning “possible muslim convert” (Lubitz) we now found out that all this was PLANNED, and I’m tired of the headlines on other sites about his “mental condition”. He was not to mental to go online, and research “cockpit doors, and suicide”. People commit suicide on a daily basis, but they do not take 150 people with them. He could’ve killed himself BEFORE or AFTER he flew that plane instead he planned it to take 150 people with him, people who did NOT want to die. I call this a “suicide bomber”, his weapon was the plane instead of a bomb. BTW, “why” does Lufthansa not answer questions from German, and French reporters about “Lubitz’s religion” ???? They’re NOT saying “we don’t know” but saying stuff like “its not important etc”, what is the big secret about his religion???? Its not like they asked to open his medical records which are private, but his religion cannot/wont be answered????……………..I cannot prove it, but there is more to that story, and I’m afraid we will never hear the REAL story. IMO he was a SELFISH terrorist, killing 150 people along with him instead of killing himself ALONE, end of story!!
    Thanks to Pamela Geller for posting the FB page of his so called “fans” which of course has been taken down shortly, and I wonder why????……………………

  • David Anderson

    This Is Slime POS Allah pig eating SOB!

  • Pamela Valemont

    New book – UNFIT TO FLY: ANDREAS LUBITZ – forensic numerological criminal profile:

    http://www.lulu.com/shop/pamela-lillian-valemont/unfit-to-fly-andreas-lubitz/ebook/product-22118859.html

  • DemocracyRules

    BREAKINNG: New letter says
    GERMANWINGS CO-PILOT WAS A MUSLIM CONVERT
    German Head of the Parliamentary (Bundestag) Defense committee
    Thanks the head of German Intelligence about the information that Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert, and was radicalized at the mosque in Bremen, Germany.

    Then he tells the Intelligence head to keep it secret to avoid riots.

    Here is the full translation of the letter:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Letterhead of the German Parliament

    From:
    German Bundestag (Parliament)
    Defence Committee
    The Chairman
    Hans-Peter Bartels MdB
    Platz der Republik
    11011(?) Berlin
    Tel:030-227-77 638
    Fax:030-227-76 052
    hans-peter.bartels@bundestag.de

    To:
    Mr. Gerhard Schindler
    President,
    German Federal Intelligence Service (BND)
    Gardeschutzenweg 7I-l01
    12203 Berlin

    Dear Mr. Schindler,

    The Defense Committee of the German Bundestag wishes to express our appreciation for your major contribution to ensuring the safety of Germany. The Information that your Department constantly puts at our disposal holds a very important role in domestic and foreign policy decisions.

    Of particular importance is the information received from the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) concerning the conversion to Islam of the Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who was the cause of the crash of the Airbus A320.

    He made regular visits to the mosque in Bremen and was also involved with radical Islamic groups.

    This information allows for the elucidation of the disaster that has claimed many lives, and has enabled us to draw basic conclusions.

    This is not a good time for the Defense Committee to hold an open discussion about the above-mentioned facts, because they would tend to trigger anti-Islamic sentiments, and concerns regarding the actions of the Federal Government regarding the integration of immigrants from the Islamic states into German society. The publication of such information could not only provoke mass protests, but also cause the Government coalition to split.

    The Defense Committee recommends that the German Federal Intelligence Service withholds publication of this information, but also performs a careful determination of consideration of all available facts.

    With best regards
    Dr. Hans-Peter Bertels

  • sam

    The copilot is innocent!
    When are we all going to realise its Satan and his mates trying to confuse the followers of Jesu, islam and the true hebrews and countless other faiths!!!
    This was a political bitch slap for merkel and hollande!! Although in my opinionion to get into politics you hsve to be a criminel of sorts!!!

  • For europe

    The islam made Lubiz nutcase. No wonder he needed so many psychologists and doctors!

    Must have an EMERGENCY CODE for the pilots that overtakes all locks and opens the door.

    No help if some weker stewardess -women is sitting in the cockpit if the “terrorist” one want to destroy anyway, he locks the door and kills the stewardess and the situation becomes the same as in German wings case.!

    Watch video clip of what´s happening in England with muslims, they want to concre all europe.. “the Hij´ra” of the “mujáhidin” (the pilgrim to the holy war)

    It´s going to be a raising security problem in all europe because the atheistic population is sleeping and don´t understund what´s going on. There is no way to make peace with the islam with no muslim.! Watch and make the conclusion!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvY2Bnn6jp4

    The program is in hebrew but there is interviews in french and english. It´s worth to see even not understand every word, you understand the feeling massage

  • For europe
  • DESDE MI DEPRESIÓN: El legado de Andreas Lubitz al mundo
    Fuente: https://oscuroytriste.wordpress.com/

    Quiero iniciar este mensaje describiendo lo mejor que pueda lo que significa vivir la depresión.

    Es una tristeza profunda dicen los textos. Pero una cosa es leerlo en un texto y otra muy diferente sentirlo. Lo primero en lo que piensas es en abandonar esta vida, alejarte de todo y de todos, no quieres vivir más, no hay nada que motive seguir viviendo, qué sentido tiene vivir si la vida no tiene ningún sentido, no se ve un futuro claro, no se ve ningún futuro, molesta pensar lo que será el día de mañana. Luego todo molesta, las personas, las cosas y quizás lo peor son los recuerdos, los recuerdos que te hacen sentir mal son los peores, pero aun los recuerdos agradables se sienten mal, muy mal.

    Miras a las otras personas y te molesta que existan, y si ves a alguien que parece estar bien, lo odias profundamente ya que él no siente lo mismo que tú. Te molesta el sol, te molesta la lluvia, te molesta el ruido, te molesta la vida. Quieres acabar con todo y con todos pero dejando muy claro que lo hiciste por qué alguien … https://oscuroytriste.wordpress.com/

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