Malaysia Airlines crash: terror fears over stolen passports used on missing plane

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Whatever it was, it was quick and catastrophic. There seems to be no evidence of a distress signal. “A leading aviation safety expert also said that it was ‘extraordinary’ that the pilots of the jetliner did not have time to make a distress call.”

Two stolen passports is a bit of a “coincidence.” China Southern, which operated a codeshare on the flight, said both the passengers using stolen passports had booked through its ticketing office.

Two thirds of the 227 passengers were Chinese, including one infant, travelling on what has become one of the most popular tourist routes in Asia.

China and Malaysia are certainly in the cross-hairs.

UPDATE: Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna have confirmed that names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the missing Malaysian airlines flight match passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Italy’s Foreign Ministry said that an Italian man whose name was listed as being aboard is traveling in Thailand and was not aboard the plane.

Austrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Martin Weiss confirmed that a name listed on the manifest matches an Austrian passport reported stolen two years ago in Thailand. Weiss would not confirm the identity. (source: Daily Mail) thanks to Van

Malaysia plane crash“Malaysia Airlines crash: terror fears over stolen passports used on missing plane,” The Telegraph, March 8, 2014 (thanks to David W)

Air safety experts investigate whether terrorism was behind the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight which vanished over the South China Sea

Air safety experts are investigating whether an airliner that mysteriously vanished in the Far East could have been the target of a terrorist attack.

Twenty-four hours after Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared over the South China Sea, the only clue to the fate of its 239 passengers and crew was the revelation that at least two people on board were using stolen passports.

The disclosure raised fears that terrorists could have used the passport to board the craft, which vanished with no prior signals of trouble to air traffic controllers.

The plane was heading from the Malaysia to China, where last week 33 people were killed and 143 injured in a terrorist attack in the south-western city of Kunming. The attack, in which a gang of men ran amok in a Chinese railway station, was blamed on pro-separatist ethnic Uigurs, who come from the mainly Muslim areas of the Xinjiang region that borders Pakistan and Afghanistan. Some Chinese media have branded it the country’s own “9-11”.

Officials stressed that it was too early to say whether terrorism was a likely cause of the Malaysia airlines crash. But US officials said they were checking into passenger manifests and going back through intelligence.

“We are aware of the reporting on the two stolen passports,” one senior official told NBC news. “We have not determined a nexus to terrorism yet, although it’s still very early, and that’s by no means definitive.”

A leading aviation safety expert also said that it was “extraordinary” that the pilots of the jetliner did not have time to make a distress call.

David Learmount, of the specialist aviation magazine Flight Global, said that as the plane was cruising at about 35,000 feet when it lost contact over the South China sea, the pilots would normally have had “plenty of time” to radio in any technical problems before the plane hit the water.

Chris Yates, another aviation expert, said: “There will be two areas for the investigation: the maintenance of the aircraft and also possible terrorism.”

The last reported position of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 (flightradar24.com)

As darkness fell over the South China Sea last night, rescuers using boats, helicopters and planes had spotted two long oil slicks in the area where the Boeing 777 lost contact with air traffic control.

No wreckage, or survivors, were spotted during a rescue mission that involved five countries and lasted roughly seven hours before the night closed in.

But there was an ominous surprise after Malaysia Airlines released the passenger list for Flight MH370, a red-eye between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing.

After checking the names of passengers 63 and 101, Christian Kozel and Luigi Maraldi, the Austrian and Italian governments said that neither man was on board.

A woman cries in Beijing airport as she waits to hear information about her family (Reuters)

Both had their passports stolen in Thailand over the last two years, and Mr Maraldi had been issued a new one according to the Italian media.

China Southern, which operated a codeshare on the flight, said both the passengers using stolen passports had booked through its ticketing office.

Asked in the wake of the revelations whether terrorists had seized the plane, Najib Razak, the Malaysian prime minister said: “We are looking at all possibilities, but it is too early to make any conclusive remarks.”

An unnamed senior American intelligence official told the New York Times that “at this time, we have not identified this as an act of terrorism. While the stolen passports are interesting, they don’t necessarily say to us that this was a terrorism act”.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER that went missing

It was 1.20am on Saturday morning when Flight MH370 simply vanished, in clear weather and with no distress signal, over the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam.

Two thirds of the 227 passengers were Chinese including one infant, travelling on what has become one of the most popular tourist routes in Asia. There were no British passengers on board.

The pilot, 53-year-old Zaharie Ahmad Shah, had more than 18,000 flying hours under his belt and had been flying for Malaysia Airlines for more than three decades.

Data from the plane showed no cause for panic. After a steady climb to 35,000ft, the Boeing 777 jet levelled off and then abruptly stopped sending its location, speed, and altitude. There was no sign of any sudden descent.

The absence of any signal from the plane particularly troubled experts; even if both engines on the jet had failed, there should have been time to issue a distress call as the plane descended.

Family and friends waiting for the plane to arrive break down as they hear the jet has gone missing (AFP)

It was five hours before Malaysia Airlines issued its first statement, simply saying they had lost contact with their plane and had begun a rescue operation.

In Beijing, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi broke off a press conference to deal with the crisis. “We are extremely worried,” he said. Shortly afterwards, Xi Jinping, the president, ordered “all-out efforts” on a rescue operation.

An efficient police operation at Beijing airport shuttled relatives away from a scrum of Chinese and foreign journalists and to a conference room in a downtown hotel, where they sat and waited.

It was six more hours before the search began focusing on the last point of contact from the plane, roughly 120 nautical miles south west of Vietnam.

At 12.15pm, an emergency message was broadcast to all ships in the area asking them to “keep a sharp look out and assist immediately”.

China dispatched two ships from its naval base on Hainan island, while the Vietnamese and Malaysia navies both sent helicopters and ships. Singapore sent C-130 Hercules planes to search from overhead.

A Vietnamese journalist aboard a search and rescue helicopter said they had spotted oil slicks on the waters.

The arrival board shows the missing Malaysia Airlines flight, top in red, cancelled at Beijing International Airport (AFP)

But the Malaysian transport minister, Hishamuddin Hussein, said it was too early to confirm a crash and that there were no signs of wreckage.

“We are doing everything in our power to locate the plane. We are doing everything we can to ensure every possible angle has been addressed,” he said.

Malaysia Airlines has a good safety record; it last lost a plane in 1977. The Boeing 777, equipped with twin Rolls-Royce Trent 892 engines, is also one of the world’s safest planes. Its only fatal crash in a 19-year history came last July when an Asiana Airlines jet missed the runway in San Francisco and three died.

A member of staff from Malaysia Airlines is surrounded by reporters at the airport (Rex Features)

Experts said that investigators would concentrate not only on whether the plane had suffered some catastrophic structural or engine failure, but also on sudden and unforeseen turbulence, some sort of attack on the plane, or even the suicide of the pilot, which has caused previous crashes over water.

But, a full day after the tragedy, the only news that Malaysia Airlines could issue was that “at this stage, our search and rescue teams from Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam have failed to find evidence of any wreckage”.

“The sea mission will continue while the air mission will recommence at daylight,” it added.

By then, the relatives of the passengers in Beijing were furious, having been held throughout the day in the hotel with minimal information.

The only information the relatives had gleaned, complained another man named Mr Jia, was from the internet.

At the end of the day, the relatives retired to rooms in the hotel, still without any news, their hopes fading.

Additional reporting by Adam Wu

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  • Vee786

    May Allah SWT Keep Them All Safe..Ameen

    • Robert Gift

      ^ It appears that Allah failed. Yes?

    • Burkasrugly

      Don’t mock.

      • Larenzo1

        Crotch Rot.

  • Nelson Stanley

    just waiting foir the OTHER shoe to drop !! MOSLEMS !!! 99 % chance it was moslems !! NOBODY of any other reiligion does these types of things !! If wrong I apologise for erring on the side of TRUTH !!

    • Larry S.

      Nelson, how dreadful of you. Possibly- and at this point I must stress this is only one possibility- but possibly the miscreants were Asian. But certainly the religious affiliation of the alleged perpetrators is quite irrelevant.

      • Nelson Stanley

        You have to be blind and stupid to think that being Asian alone would be the criteria !! Moslems -Islam is the only religious group in the world that is doing these kind of things all over the world ON A DAILY BASIS !! Get your head out of your ass and join the free world to end barbarism !!

        • Larry S.

          I discern you are not a close follower of Larry S. on this site. Perhaps you could look at my comments below.

          Larry S …. who is married to an Asians who most inexplicably shows no interest whatsoever in bombing airplanes, shopping malls or iconic office buildings.

          P.S. I think you mean “criterion”.

          • Nelson Stanley

            Well Larry the term Asian encompasses quit a large area,care to be a little more difinitive ?? My fiance is Chinese to be explicit !! They are having problems with the Moslems in China as well !! Problems with the Moslems in-Thailand ,Phillipines,Burma-Myanmar,Russia,Australia,Europe, just about EVERYWHERE the Moslems immigrate to !!

          • NoCrud

            Muzlims have a track record. And the trail they are going down is definitely a trail going downward. World takeover and dominance is the goal. It is documented and is more and more obvious to people everywhere. It has come to the point where people expect it of them and the killings in the train station was just one incident added to that if 9/11, in Kenya, in India, in England and now in the air itself, if indeed it was a result of terrorism. And as some have said, if it is terrorism, then it will be entirely believable. If it is not terrorism but some natural catastrophe, however remote, then it should not be a reason to drop the scrutiny of the terrorists and forget their goal for the world.

          • tokoloshiman

            you can be sure the chances of it being due to muslim extremism / terrorism are high…..reason required though…

          • NoCrud

            Common sense says that you are probably right. However, the track record of the plane is incredibly good although it has had problems, no doubt. But the crash in San Francisco, speaking as a former pilot, indicates to me that the plane was probably marginal on approach speed as regards the stall speed and then a shift in wind pattern left the plane with no life and it dropped 25-30 feet in altitude. This also probably resulted in a lot more high speed (power) approaches and landings at SFO. That field is a challenge to pilots for landing since it is a type of “boxed in” system where it has to be right on the mark lest it result in a big problem. Very little possibility of a tough-and-go “go-around” if a landing is failed.

          • Larry S.

            the term Asian encompasses quit a large area,
            the term Asian encompasses quit a large area,

            Golly, and all this time I though Asia was an island off the coast of Kansas! Guarded, I thought, by the Kentucky Navy!

            Yes, Nelson, round-eyes that we both may be, you and I probably share a considerable disdain for the British habit of designating thugs, rapists, child-molesters, human-traffickers, murderers, and other undesirables, as Asian. Surely there are plenty of people in the UK of Asian ancestry who would have every reason to be outraged by that abuse of language. We both know the activities referenced above are largely the province of a particular kind of Asian, and the attitudes that foster these activities are creeping into the European population. Basically, it has nothing to do with ancestry or geography: it has much to do with ideology.

          • Asilad

            You tell him Nelson! Larry you’re an absolute brainwashed, gullible, shit fer brains buffoon. I’m married to an Asian too but wtf has that got to do with a moronic cult that has spread throughout the world into all cultures.

          • NoCrud

            Excellent reply.

            I was also married to an Asian for more than 17 years but that was beside the point. I already knew more than she did about anything Asian.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjdHaMeiiQ Earl Scheib

        You’re a moron if you want to close your eyes to the possibility that the death cult affectionately known as the Religion of Peace is behind this disaster.

  • Angela Horne

    there is an official cover-up of something, I can not see how the plane’s telecommunications gave no warning to Earth at all

    • DB1954

      I don’t know why the Chinese would cover this incident up. The only imaginable reason the Chinese would cover this up would be if they did so temporarily for some reason, perhaps just to buy time to gather information and prepare a response. Since there was a terrorist incident in the western border regions of China in the last few days, the Chinese will already be inclined to suspect the same people, who are either Uyghur separatists or Uyghurs and Pakistani jihadist groups who support them.

      • NoCrud

        I can understand that there would be a delay in action by the Chinese but not as a “coverup.” It would be to follow the clues and find out how deep this thing goes and try to gather up all those concerned in this and in possible future actions by the terrorists, if in fact it was an act of terrorism. But the Chinese government is not like our government as regards to caring about or reacting to what the Media and public think. They will be considering the various ways to act in reaction to various possibilities and this is yet not a formal plan but a mental exercise to fall back on when the whole picture has been made clear. Those people are thinkers even if some people might question their thinking. What they ultimately do will be to the benefit of China and NOT to the benefit of some “news” people or entertainment-oriented scroads.

    • Louis Stevens

      That’s because,The Jets Transponder was turned off,The Pilots certainly would not turn It off,Unless there lives we’re treated,Or The pilot 53-Year-Old Zaharie Ahmand Shaha,Was a Muslim Jihadist?????????
      His name Is about as Muslim as you can get!!!!

      • Larenzo1

        Not necessarily.

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        The co-pilot was a fellow korangutan too.

      • NoCrud

        The Transponder and Black Box are on power circuits not available to the pilots. To turn them off, the main operating power to the whole plane would have to be shut off and this alone would cause a catastrophic crash.

        • Louis Stevens

          Do you have experience In Aviation?

    • Larenzo1

      They are not covering it up they are discussing it right now. Not everything is a conspiracy of course the bombers are but the media are reporting the information they have and we now know that two stolen passports were on the plane.

    • NoCrud

      Satellite observation being what it is, I’m confident that there is “some official entity” that has reviewed the data files of that surveillance and that there are indeed some people who know the truth. Will they be like the Russians who warned that the Tsarnaev Brothers needed to be watched? Or will those who know remain quiet about it like they did before WW2 when we read Japan’s messages about bombing Pearl Harbor but kept quiet because some geniuses did not want the Japanese to know we could read their secret mail? I tend to believe the latter will happen.

  • DB1954

    If this turns out to have been terrorism, watch who the Chinese accuse. IMO, that will be either Pakistani Sunni jihadists or Uyghur Muslim separatists who are supported and financed by Saudi or Pakistani Sunni jihadists. Looks like all hell is going to break out in the Uyghur provinces of China and/or in Pakistan because China will go to war–full scale, take no prisoners, total war. The Chinese won’t care one whit how many innocent people they have to kill in order to wipe out the jihadists and separatists who are already at war with them.

    • Larenzo1

      I would send China a donation to nail the muzzies.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjdHaMeiiQ Earl Scheib

        x2

    • Louis Stevens

      Let the games begin!

  • Edday Stedday

    I doubt there would be any cover up. I think if there’s any information being withheld it would be due to waiting for conformation.

  • CanadaGoose1

    I wonder if they were heading for one of those tall, modern buildings in Beijing but didn’t get there.

    • Larenzo1

      Silly Goose

    • NoCrud

      IF, IF, IF the pilot was threatened by hijackers and knew that a 9/11 type outcome could result, then maybe the pilot decided to “end the flight” immediately. This is within my range of imagination. However, just wait for Hollowood movie writers to come up with an emotion-filled, action film where this is the theme. They are also famous for not allowing a good crisis to go to waste.

  • catherineinpvb

    Think there can be little question that this was ‘Muslim terror’. As to ‘what’ MO; does not have to be what we think of as typical – and so perhaps; no ‘vast’ debris field. Whatever the case; interesting to see China’s response. We do know it will not be any MO taken from a ‘page’ in Obama’s book.

    That said; a tragedy here; for all but ‘two’ passengers, on that plane.

  • John Doe

    For muslim terrorists I’m sure airliners present a juicy, low-risk target to cause mass casualties and chaos. Until the world learns to call a spade a spade, that Islamic ideology does lead to the creation of terrorists bent on our destruction, these things will keep going on and get worse until it reaches a point where it’s too obvious to ignore.

    Recently I saw a Michael Coren video where an expert on the British rape epidemic and forced prostitution stated that around 10,000 girls (many underage) were coerced into prostitution by muslim gangs, it made me wonder where will people draw the line? How many of our daughters will we need to sacrifice to this malevolent bloodthirsty civilization destroying death cult-Islam till we say enough is enough? 100,000, a million, ten million? Where does it end?

    Why can’t people connect the dots-we see the same thing in any part of the world where muslims go, terrorism, raping, kidnapping, violence, etc skyrockets. It’s disgusting to see these things happen and see people do nothing about it. Muslims to this day are getting off scot-free murdering Christians in Africa and other places. In the end the people who might fight back might be another group that we hate, like the neo-nazis. Things keep getting uglier out there.

    • Gerald

      Bobby Gavin of the LFF(Law and Freedom Foundation) has published a short book that is available in pdf. It is failure by the politicians and the police. This girls were sacrificed on the altar of multi-culturalism. Here is small excerpt from the book.
      “Sara Swann, who has worked extensively with the victims, has told of a
      girl who had her tongue nailed to the table when she told a grooming
      gang that she would go to the police.”
      http://lawandfreedomfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Easy-Meat-Multiculturalism-Islam-and-Child-Sex-Slavery-05-03-2014.pdf

      • Larry S.

        Gerald-

        Thank you for posting this informative paper that, although written in rather dry academic language, is enough to make one’s blood boil. Here are some snippets that I found revealing:

        However, the massive over-representation of Muslim men among those convicted for these kinds of crime seems to indicate that being male and being Muslim are the most significant characteristics when it comes to identifying the motivation of these gangs and their customers. … you have a Director of Children’s Services ringing and saying,“My staff are jumping for joy in the office today because finallysomebody has said what we have not felt able to say,

        I suppose, as an outsider, I should be circumspect about ascribing blame. After all, human trafficking exists in my community too, and I have done nothing about it. But still, it quite turns ones stomach that authorities in the UK could have ignored this situation for as long as they did. What is becoming of our civilization?

      • NoCrud

        Very good PDF report. 333 pages of factual evidence about “grooming gang” inhumanity.

    • Larry S.

      Why can’t people connect the dots-we see the same thing in any part of
      the world where muslims go, terrorism, raping, kidnapping, violence, etc
      skyrockets

      Well nobody wants to be accused of being a dirty racist islamaphobe. I mean, here in the USA, once that happens you can kiss your chances of being invited to the White House goodbye. And if you happen to be in academe, better make sure you have tenure before you say anything that could even hint at islamophobia. In fact, better not say anything along those lines period.

      As for the girls caught up in the “Asian” sex rings in the UK (and elsewhere, BTW), well they are mainly vulnerable lasses from the wrong side of the railroad tracks, right? Proper folk don’t care about them.

      It’s enough to make one vomit.

    • mjazzguitar

      I can’t say for sure, since I hardly watch tv, but my guess is that the mainstream media doesn’t cover the exploitation of British girls by the Pakistani immigrants.

      • oddball1776

        This is correct. At least they did not. Now when they do report they describe the perpetrators as ‘Asian’.

        That might change now that we have one of us on the inside. One Danny Cohen, controller of the BBC.

        The ‘enemies of freedom’ will be scurrying for cover, I’m sure.

        • mjazzguitar

          In the UK they are called asians, but I don’t think it’s covered in the US.

          • Louis Stevens

            No It’s not! First I heard of this!

  • catherineinpvb

    Think all but a certainty; that this was ‘Muslim Terror’. And not necessarily; by typical MO’s that would leave a ‘large debris field’. Whatever the case; interesting to see China’s response to this attack. We know it will not be a ‘page taken’ – from Obama’s book.

    That said; a tragedy here; for all but ‘two’ people, on that plane.

    • Larenzo1

      Sensible post.

  • Max Krieger

    Islam and China should go to war so the West can swoop down and finish the exhausted winner. That would just be too perfect.

    • NoCrud

      The history of such a thing would later be distorted like the Great Crusades was distorted.

  • Larenzo1

    Said to a couple people yesterday that this did not pass the smell test! I already knew there were many Chinese on board and the muzzies ref the Uyghers are really mad at China. The thing is if China is harassed to much by these pig Fer’s they will nuke someone.

  • CanadaGoose1

    Why silly? Terrorists want to do the maximum damage. And if these are Muslim separatists they would want to smash Beijing. The plane tried to turn back – was there a fight in the cockpit? Four suspect passports – why four accomplices if it was just a suicide in the ocean mission?

  • minted

    I think the Malaysian hijacking is related to the Uighur pig’s threat. There was several Buddhist on the flight returning home from a festival.

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      While true, the korangutans have threatened to fly a plane into the Petronas Towers. Some of the news reports also claim the plane appeared to be turning around. I don’t know if that’s actually true, we won’t know until the flight data recorders are found, but it presents another possibility.

      • lostlegends

        A sister of one of my wife’s girl friends knew the pilot well. A good man, suicide very unlikely. Another one of my wife’s girl friends husband is flying helicopter search patterns. He is a private pilot, a volunteer.

      • NoCrud

        While letting imaginations run rampant, let’s consider that the plane was supposedly hijacked and the pilot, who had an outstanding record covering over three decades, decided the best thing to do was to “end the flight” and not allow the plane be used in a 9/11 type terrorist act. This would be similar to the crash on 9/11 of the plane in the Pennsylvania field.

        • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

          Yes, there’s also the previous case of a Malaysian Airlines hijacking where the plane crashed due to a fight in the cockpit while it was being hijacked.

          • NoCrud

            This is new to me. It puts a new wrinkle on the possibilities.

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            Yep.

  • JZ999999999

    How could it possibly be mooselims? After all, is-slam is the religion of peace…right?

    • Larry S.

      JZ-

      You, along with Robert Spencer and various other notables, have fallen prey to a all-too-common error in the translation from the classical Arabic. Properly translated, it is Religion of Pieces. Now that you are properly informed, I’m quite sure it all makes sense.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjdHaMeiiQ Earl Scheib

        You must be a Mooslim or at very least a Mooslim sympathizer.

        • Larry S.

          I am truly awed by your discerning insight!

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjdHaMeiiQ Earl Scheib

            I bet you are there Larry…..

            BTW there is no translation error, the only error is the lies you tell.

          • NoCrud

            Some people have nothing to say but they go ahead and say it, anyway. ☺☻

      • NoCrud

        Are you joking while ‘preying’ on words?
        Besides, “Classical Arabic” predates Islam.

        • Larry S.

          No Crud-

          Early Islamic texts are written in what is called “Classical Arabic”. Permit the reputed “moron”, Larry S, to quote someone who really does know whereof he speaks. I refer to the distinguished Pakistani ex-Muslim Ibn Not-His-Real-Name Warraq who, in his essay Introduction to What the Koran Really Says, which resides on my bookshelf in a compilation of Warraq’s essays entitled Virgins? What Virgins (honest, I’m not making this up)

          • NoCrud

            “They” can call it Classical Arabic all they want but the “classical” definition of Classical is related to the languages of Egypt and the Semitic languages that date back to that era. For example, the language of the Philistines (Palestinians) of that time go back to two-to-three thousand years ago.

            This is shown here where a discussion of archeology relating to Islam is considered…

            http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

          • Larry S.

            The article you cite is both good and original. Interestingly enough, however, the phrase “Classical Arabic” is nowhere to be found in it.

            Say, are you aware that the Classical period of Western Music refers to the latter 18th and very early 19th centuries?

          • NoCrud

            Are you trying to be cute?

            I did not say that the article cited had “Classical Arabic” in it. That’s your invention. I said: “Here is a discussion of archeology relating to Islam…”

            And if you want to talk about relevance, Western Music is a far cry from a discussion of Language. And Language is my area of expertise, or at least one of them. And if you want to really, really go into a study of Languages of the Classical era, read as a first step the “classic” book “Gods, Graves and Scholars” where this is a large part of the book’s importance. The book’s subtitle is: “A History of Archeology.”

            True Classic Language is in the field of Dead Languages. This means that there are no longer anyone alive speaking them as a primary language. But that link I cited shows that to go into what makes up a language in the classical sense requires archeology.

          • Larry S.

            I did not say that the article cited had “Classical Arabic” in it.

            No, you merely referenced the article in the context of your smarmy comment, “They” can call it Classical Arabic all they want but the “classical”
            definition of Classical is related to …
            This was somehow in defense of your utterly erroneous claim that “Classical Arabic” predates Islam. You simply persist in digging yourself deeper into your hole of your own ignorance.

            Perhaps next time you make a claim, you could bestir yourself have a clue about what you talking about?

            You and Earl Scheib deserve one another.

          • NoCrud

            It is not worth my time to have a discussion with you. Smarmy?

            You are typical of someone who “claims” to be all-knowing but when faced with the truth, you try to turn it around and point the ugly finger away from yourself.

            Your thoughts that you are the expert here is farthest from the fact.

            Alinsky: Shift the focus, then Isolate and Ridicule. Ha…

          • Larry S.

            Smarmy?

            Yes, smarmy. The philological community considers “Classical Arabic” to refer to the language of the time period that Ibn Warraq described (see above). Instead of gracefully accepting the fact that, when you claimed, “Classical Arabic predates Islam. you were spouting off about something of which you know nothing, you idiotically went on the offense and claimed “They” can call it Classical Arabic all they want… as if somehow you know better.

            You then reference an article that has nothing to do with supporting your fatuous claim about the time period of CA. When challenged, you go on to dig your hole deeper by whining, I did not say that the article cited had “Classical Arabic” in it. If it did not support your claim in dispute, then why did you cite here? Talk about “shifting the focus.” Say, here’s a discussion about hummingbirds in Mexico:
            http://www.worldofhummingbirds.com/migration.php

            You are typical of someone who “claims” to be all-knowing but when faced with the truth, you try to turn around and point the ugly finger away from yourself.

            I have made no claims of expertise. I have merely cited an expert to debunk your claim. Try reading people with genuine expertise sometime, bub.

            You, sir, are a pompous fool, and an ass. But I already knew that about you.

          • NoCrud

            I do not “claim” to be all-knowing but I will say that I know several languages and have studied languages for over 50 years. You can stuff your accusations.

            As for me being a “pompous fool, and an ass,” you disgrace yourself. Here’s a stanza from a supposedly ancient proverb that describes you down to your least very common denominator:

            “He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool — Shun him!”

          • Larry S.

            I never claimed you did claim to be “all-knowing”. You falsely insinuated I did. Sheesh!

          • NoCrud

            You said: “You are typical of someone who “claims” to be all-knowing…”

            You are a real waste of time.

          • Larry S.

            Yes, I QUOTED your baseless statement from about two hours ago in which you said, when addressing me,

            You are typical of someone who “claims” to be all-knowing but when faced with the truth, you try to turn it around and point the ugly finger away from yourself.

            Get help, ‘Crud.

          • NoCrud

            Your gross ignorance is stupendous.

          • NoCrud

            Here is the website that puts the different levels of Arabic in their place. And notice that the ONLY thing the Quran did was standardize the different levels of Classical Arabic into a single form but it still reflects ten levels of Arabic.

            While this will not be something you will want to see because you already have your mind(?) made up, it is provided so others can see your simplistic views that led to your outpouring of ignorant ravings….

            http://www.arabic-studio.com/quranic_arabic.html

          • famouswolf

            You have got his number.
            It is a waste of time trying to talk to him.

        • Larry S.

          Are you joking while ‘preying’ on words?

          Neither, I’m preying on idiots!

          • oddball1776

            You would appear to have found a rich vein.

          • NoCrud

            You also need to see this before opining. And this is not the only place where the truth of the language is found. And it shows that there WAS a classical Arabic BEFORE the Quran but it was found convenient to merely call them Classical Arabic encapsulated in the Quran. But his self-serving for the Muzlims.

            http://www.arabic-studio.com/quranic_arabic.html

    • NoCrud

      I get your sarcasm… ☺☻

  • JZ999999999

    No one should have to die like this. And I pray that death came swiftly and as painlessly as possible.
    If this was the work of islamic terrorist, and this pits China against mooselims in an all out war to destroy islam, then the passengers did not die in vain. Will the final crusade see America and China (and Russia) unite against the cancer of the world known as islam? Only time will tell.

  • Nur Alia binti Ahmad

    If the aircraft exploded, the ‘flash’ would have been picked up by satellite imaging.
    It is shameful that while tears are still falling, fearmongers and blood thirsty propaganda spreaders are all ready earning their keep.

    • lostlegends

      Have flown MAS many times. Great airline, great service, lower prices. Best way to fly to the Orient. Wife is from KL. Am getting feeds of “inside” info from good sources in Malaya on the downed airliner.

      • Nur Alia binti Ahmad

        I am ‘sure’ you are, Pam gets them too, it is called speculation, and rumor.

  • lostlegends

    A Navy pilot friend once told me that when you go in at 400 knots you turn into postage sized chunks of meat. The poor families won’t even have a body to bury properly.

    • NoCrud

      Recovering the Black Box will be key to finding out what caused the plane to go down, if this is what happened. Black Boxes are, by design, not easily destroyed. They are more electro-mechanical in the data recording, however. It would be good if they also had a digital audio-video record of what is happening — that would be even better.

    • Louis Stevens

      But you don’t die from the crash,You die from the Impact,Your Heart Rips from the main blood vessels,And that what kills you before you get ripped to pieces,So no one suffers,At least!

  • NoCrud

    Fox News announced that debris has been found, that what appears to be a plane’s door was seen floating in the ocean. This was at about 3PM EST 2014/03/09

  • tokoloshiman

    two stolen passports on the same plane – fine – but were they seated together – the authorities are not saying. …….very odd that pilots had no chance to radio….

    • NoCrud

      If the whole side of a plane was blown out or if there was a huge explosion, then the pilots would not have time to react. But if it was a “device” placed in the belly of the plane that caused the entire power and control system to be disabled, there would be nothing the pilots could do.

      An interesting film along this line is “No Place to Land” and can be seen here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udk2XpNyxLI

      • famouswolf

        That’s a scary thought, because it also means they have found a way to get explosives onboard airliners. And there is no way to find out what it might be.
        Lets hope it was something like catastrophic failure of the planes’ systems, although I have a bad feeling about the cause of this. A bomb seems most likely to me.

  • Larry S.

    Anybody interested in minutia- or the character and intellectual bankruptcy of clowns on this site such as NoCrud- may find an interaction below between said fool and myself to be passably amusing. I’m sure NoCrud votes the party line, and may even be kind to small animals and children, but as far as having anything insightful to say, the guy is utterly bereft.

    • NoCrud

      ▬ FLAGGED ▬

    • famouswolf

      Look in the mirror. THATS the ‘utterly bereft’ guy. Of intelligence, logic, courtesy, or anything else distiguishing humans from apes.

  • NoCrud

    This is presented for those who might be confused about the meaning of “Classical Arabic” as it predated Quranic Arabic…

    “The development of Arabic may roughly be divided into three periods: Classical Arabic, Post-classical Arabic and Modern Arabic. The classical period lasts until about the end of the first century AH, after which the enormous conversion rate to Islam amongst non-Arabs and the expansion of the Muslim empire all but wiped out the pristine language of the pre-Islamic (Jāhilī) Bedouin Arabs, which remained preserved only in the lexicons of scholars concerned to record the unadulterated speech of the Arabs in which the Quran was revealed. By Quranic Arabic, therefore, we mean simply Classical Arabic as used in the Quran.”

    http://www.arabic-studio.com/quranic_arabic.html

  • NoCrud

    MORE about the distinction between Classical Arabic and Quranic Arabic, from same website cited below…

    “The main changes to have taken place as Arabic moved into its post-classical period was that (i) a large amount of new vocabulary was added to the language (often consciously, by Muslim scholars looking to find new words to express for example, Greek concepts, which were being discussed for the first time in Arabic – Ibn Sīnā and al-Farābī in particular come to mind, but also Ibn Khaldūn, whose al-Muqaddimah is a prime example of the inherent ability of Arabic to expand and absorb new concepts), and (ii) the grammar was standardized, as Classical Arabic was actually a group of diverse sister dialects spoken by the various Bedouin tribes, which is why it can sometimes be difficult to categorically say that something is or isn’t correct according to Classical Arabic – you’ll very often find a tribe who allowed it! (This latter reason is also one of the reasons why Quranic Arabic is divided into 10 “transmissions” or “readings”.)”

  • Parritaman

    There is only one culture that could be responsible for the downing of this plance,
    and I can assure you it’s not the Amish.

  • Richard

    The two passengers travelling on stolen passports on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are reportedly Iranian nationals.

    An Iranian friend of one of the men told BBC Persia he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

    The man told BBC Persia that one of the Iranians was heading for Frankfurt, Germany, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

    BBC Persia’s UN correspondent Bahman Kalbasi told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.

    The revelation comes after it emerged a mystery Iranian called ‘Mr Ali’ bought tickets for the pair.

    The US FBI are now trying to track him down.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3224818

    • Richard

      “Five passengers ended up not boarding the aircraft. ”

      Who were they?

      “Their bags were removed and were not on board the jet when it disappeared, authorities said.”

      “authorities said”?? Butt covering?

      People dont just book their bags and then not board.