The Jewish Councils …… again

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The below action by The Board of Deputies of British Jews is an enormously sad commentary on Jewish lay leadership, and worse, a stunning indictment of their culpability. It mimics the inadequate and ill-conceived political action of the Jewish Councils in Germany in the late 1930s and 40s. We are not supposed to say such things, but it is true. The brilliant German-American political theorist Hannah Arendt was cast out of the Jewish intelligentsia and various academic circles when she made similar statements in her historic coverage of the Eichmann trial in Jerusalem. But Arendt’s reportage was accurate, and her observations were meant to serve a cautionary purpose, lest the horrors be repeated under different historical
conditions.

These are those conditions.

If the Jewish councils had not collaborated to various degrees with Nazis like Eichmann, the number of those who were slaughtered might very well have been less. How much less? A life is a life.

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by the Board
posted in Defence

The Board of Deputies shares with the CST and American Jewish communal bodies including the
Anti-Defamation League the very strong and longstanding concerns about the views of people like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, who are planning to attend the Woolwich EDL march. The Board’s Vice President Jonathan Arkush said: “Our community has no need of their presence
here and they would be better advised to have nothing to do with the EDL.
“The Board considers their presence to be deeply unhelpful to community relations and would have no objection if they were not permitted to enter this country.”

How scared and cowed they are. I understand that conditions are difficult over there, but their zealous collaboration is ill-conceived. These are the German Jews of the 30s.

Europe has learned nothing from the Holocaust; so, too, can the same can be said of that continent’s Jews.

What are they thinking? They know what’s going on in Europe; they know what’s going on in their neighborhoods. If they can’t or won’t fight, then why attack those of us who will?

As Jews, we must be very mindful of the “role of the Jewish leaders in the destruction of their own people.

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prestigio
prestigio
10 years ago

cowardice in the face
of the bully
empowers the bully
the bully can win only
if there are enough cowards
classroom theorists
have wondered for decades
how a small group of thugs
took over all the german speaking countries
and nearly all of Europe
the bully will win
if you have enough cowards
all the german people had to do
was laugh at hitler
and his movement
would have failed
they didn’t even have
the guts to do that

bezelel
bezelel
10 years ago

My learning curve keeps taking steeper climbs.I can’t help having an opinion from time to time but right now it’s lesson time.

InfidelForLife
InfidelForLife
10 years ago

Very, very saddening news. Indeed, Europe hasn’t learned anything. The least they should have learned is that, like Prestigio below observes: the bullies only win if there are enough cowards.
Europe, I am afraid, is a continent full of cowards. Indeed, the “wilderness years”, Churchill called the similar circumstances in his time.

Debi Brand
Debi Brand
10 years ago

Sad. In a word.

John Sobieski
John Sobieski
10 years ago

Toss you to the dogs. Such a pathetic group. The ADL here, the ‘Board of Deputies’ in England, why are not more Jews standing up for you! Really sad.

Gleaner1
Gleaner1
10 years ago

Both of you are welcome here, who could not fail to welcome two fine spring days to an
England yearning for it’s liberation from the many hands of a cold cruel tyrrany.
Those who know treasure you both, come, come.

Avi
Avi
10 years ago

Sirs – as an observant Jew, deeply concerned about the rise of Islam in Europe and the Western world, and the acute danger this poses to the safety and even survival of the whole Jewish people and of Israel, I am appalled by the myopia and cowardice you people have displayed by placing yourselves against Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. You obviously know nothing of their work. Your behavior is absolutely shameful and insane.

fern
fern
10 years ago

Yet another group where funding should be questioned. The CST aren’t what they appear to be. When organisations have close links with the likes of Nick Lowles of the fascist Hope not Hate org, Gerry Gable and all their other affils, then don’t expect honesty, fairness, don’t expect them to stand up to Islamism/Stealth Jihad/Islamic supremacism, and certainly don’t expect much support for Israel. Lay with dogs you get fleas…and these are infested.
….Stoker of Ovens….

John Lee
John Lee
10 years ago

It is from within the religious community (both Christian and Jewish) that the greatest threat resides. They are the ones, cloaked in “righteousness”, that will hand over those who truly stand with God to “the authorities” (and being Christian, I believe that to be Antichrist). We see the foundation being laid for that now. Organizations like The Board of Deputies and progressive churches are already distancing themselves from people who take a firm stand. Ecumenism, “tolerance”, “inclusiveness”…these are the buzzwords meaning “capitulation, fear and surrender”. It’s coming. We can only stand strong and pray.

fern
fern
10 years ago

EXCLUSIVE: INTRODUCTION & TIME-LINE to Hope Not Hate versus Searchlight Civil War article NFB 10
April 2011: both sides canvas support from the Community Security Trust’s Richard Benson & Gerald Ronson.
and
July 2011: CST also offer to mediate; again no interest from either party.
and
December 2011: HNH lobby CST to ensure all funds to Searchlight cut off and transferred to them.
http://www.borderland.co.uk/index.php/sport-mainmenu-28/13-searchlighthopenothate/searchlight-hope-not-hate/116-exclusive-introduction-time-line-to-hnh-vs-searchlight-civil-war-article-nfb-10.html
[CST = Community Security Trust and HNH = Hope not Hate]

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

One of the problems with Jewish people in the diaspora is that the vast majority are leftist or liberal. I don’t know if this is strategic or if it’s just natural.
In Israel you get nationalists like Likud and hard ass Lefties who will fight. I much prefer the Israelis over the diaspora. Most Jews in Surope obviously fear the revival of European Nationalism ( even if it’s just a Franco or Manneheim) and they see Nazis in their cornflakes when ever a John Bull working class lad from the council estates gets offended by “foreigns”. This failure to embrace genuine nationalism by organizations like the deputies will only serve to push patriot types into the arms of analysis like Kevin MacDonald and the far reaches of the diehard antisemites. Do the Rabbis think that by agreeing with flooding England with Muslims that they will go unnoticed and will be spared? Madness!

fern
fern
10 years ago

CST getting too big for its boots?1
Continually Spreading Trusthttp://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/50033/continually-spreading-trust

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

I must ask the Rabbis, have the English working class been so bad to you and your kin that you fear their correct and justified reaction to colonization by Islam? These men are not the superstitious peasants you encountered in the Pale a centuries ago. They are certainly not Nazis either.

alyn21
alyn21
10 years ago

People who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it.

Kuffar
Kuffar
10 years ago

Britain will have an Islamic majority in just 37 years time. There may not be much that anyone can do to prevent it, but these kapos certainly aren’t helping with their head-in-the-sand attitude: http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain

Judi
Judi
10 years ago

Pamela and Robert – we here in the UK will give you a rousing welcome.

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

Let’s stop beating about the bush. They are not the Kapos of the 1930-40s era in Nazi Germany. They are much more like the Jewish population in Visigothic Spain, Al Andalus and the Jews during the Reconquista. They are in effect in alliance with UAF, Choudrey and the Muslims there. this can change, but generally they are so frightened of the Council Estate English that they are willing to sacrifice them for an extra few years before the Islamic majority emerges there. It’s craven strategic thinking.

Judi
Judi
10 years ago

I have e-mailed the Jewish Board of Deputies to express my disgust. Google them, click on to “contact us” and then submit your complaint.

Stephen Gash
Stephen Gash
10 years ago

The CST did a hatchet job on SIOE in 2009. The following link shows a grudging partial retraction by the CST following an hour long conversation between me and its head, whose name I do not recall, but he had a Scottish accent.
http://blog.thecst.org.uk/?p=983
Even though I pointed out several times that Erdogan had been elected twice as Turkey’s Prime Minister AFTER his release from prison, the CST failed to make this point clear. Although I accept that readers may assume that this was the case from the article, my assertion that so-called moderates must either be in a tiny minority in Turkey, or non-existent, because it was they who voted Erdogan into power TWICE, was not reported by the CST. In my view, if the CST is afraid of fully conveying my defence against their attacks against SIOE, then British Jews should be a little bit wary of following (obeying) its advice (commands).

Happily Somali
Happily Somali
10 years ago

So many Jewish organisations distancing themselves from Pamela. I wonder why? Every time they do she calls them capos. Pamela cheapens what happened to the Jewish people every time she hits a key.

fern
fern
10 years ago

Do you think it is easy and painless writing about Jews turning against their own? I can tell you from my prospective, it isn’t – but the facts are there. If you want to ignore them then that is your right, but don’t expect everyone to follow suit. ‘They’ are paving a path of destruction for themselves, and they want to take others with them, again. Well, not on my watch they won’t. Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it.

fern
fern
10 years ago

Threats on Spencer?
“Hezbollah and Hamas are coming to You Spencer.”
Great. I’ll set out some hummus and pita. From the hate mail bag:
Name: yahoo
Email: [email protected]
Subject: A HeartAttack
Message: Hezbollah and Hamas are coming to You Spencer.
They are Legal organizations that are resisting to the occupation that is coming SOOn Inshallah to an END.
They will hack you down
HOST: 196.201.207.171

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/hezbollah-and-hamas-are-coming-to-you-spencer.html#comments

History Will Judge
History Will Judge
10 years ago

Ms. Geller, one day children in Jewish schools will see a photograph of you in their textbooks and their teachers will tell them that they should be like you, a great leader, teacher, and the woman who did all she could to save Jews around the world from the menace of fundamentalist Islam. May you name be blessed in all of Israel and all of the Jewish Diaspora.

fern
fern
10 years ago

http://www.who DOT is/tools/traceroute/196.201.207.171/

fern
fern
10 years ago

If that threatening message to Robert did come from Somalia, why mention Hezbollah and Hamas? If the email did orginate from Somalia (which I don’t believe it did) why not refer to their own Somalian terrorist groups (Somalian terrorists and their supporters, after all, exist inside and outside of Somalia).

Nat's daughter
Nat's daughter
10 years ago

They ARE “capos” and THAT is why they distance themselves. Simple, not complicated. Far from cheapening what happened to the Jewish people, Pamela rightly screams NEVER AGAIN every time she hits a key. Would be nice if these Judenrats took those words to heart.

Alisia S
Alisia S
10 years ago

Incredible. Absolutely incredible. I think some here are completely missing another aspect of this. An innocent man was beheaded on the street in broad daylight and they are concerned about “community relations?” This should be handled as a community relations issue?!
What freaking message does that send to the family of Rigby? What message does that send to the indigenous Brits who have been living with this alien Islamic scourge?
Apparently, the organised Jewish community doesn’t give a rat’s arse and, as in so many times in history, chooses the WRONG side to be on.

Nat's daughter
Nat's daughter
10 years ago

Thanks Judi. Done.

Lysy
Lysy
10 years ago

Sound to me like the Judenrat… a ‘jewish’ concuil from 1930’s and 40′

Nocturna
Nocturna
10 years ago

We seem to be having a communication problem here. You should be happily Somali. This only becomes an issue when you are happily Somali in Britain. You see, contrary to what you and millions of Third Worlders believe, Britain belongs to the indigenous British people. No one else. They are having a bit of a problem reminding their government of this fact but that will change.
The idea that a massive group of Islamians is going to colonize then take over Britain is absurd and would only happen after an ocean of blood is shed in a civil war.

Jack Kemp
Jack Kemp
10 years ago

“Our community has no need” of Spencer and Geller?
Since when does freedom of speech get determined on the basis on some one person’s idea of what the community needs? Did England need Boy George or Beatles or Absolutely Fabulous performances? What absolute need did they fulfill? Even though there is no Bill of Rights in Great Britain, when was this pompous rabbi elected the Lord High Minister and Determiner of Needs for his community? This rabbi is truly a Judenrat wannabe.

fern
fern
10 years ago

What a tangled web they weave
http://www.jdl-uk DOT org/search/label/CST

morticiaa
morticiaa
10 years ago

It reminds me of something my cousin said during the time I was teaching the rich English at a University in Bejiing, and most of the professional students were wonderful, but there was one old school guy who was completly horrible, and my cousin
reitterated, when I was trying to explain to him about this Chinese oil company man from Dalian, and couz stated, you know D, an A-hole is an A-hole in any culture, and so I say, also in any religion too
And yes, I agree, these Jews, like the ones in Canada, and many in Toronto are dhimmis sadly, they side with the left, and tragically, would have paved the way to the ovens and gas chambers and then run toward them, hoping for a peaceful outcome.
When outrage becomes a normal reaction to what is going on???
Cathartic, watch World War Z, the Zombies, is the code name for Islamics, great movie for this reason….Shows Israelis in a decent light as the walls are overrun by the ‘zombies’

harbidoll
harbidoll
10 years ago

cordoba jews made peace with moors after they invaded & lived together till much later(Reconquista) when spain cast out muslims & then expulsed jews from spain & Portugal. history-

harbidoll
harbidoll
10 years ago

but now there is ISRAEL & peace aint possible with muslims

DANSEAGULL
DANSEAGULL
10 years ago

RID EUROPE OF THE ISLAMIST NAZIS , NOW !!!!

Not an eloi
Not an eloi
10 years ago

I feel like I am witnessing the end of western civilization. I may not be an Eloi, but the generations to come will go into the darkness, they will be Eloi. Why are the British submitting to their destruction? I think the judenrat are frightened. They will not be protected by the police. The country has been sold and the people have sacrificed. I am losing hope.

Dan
Dan
10 years ago

That’s my point. The Jewish council in the UK is Dhimmi. Just like the Spanish Jews waybackwhen.

Joe
Joe
10 years ago

These increasingly frequent “banning orders” will be used against Israelis one day. Rather than control the muslim who riot, the British will ban Israeli politicians.
No doubt the Kapos think they will flee to Israel when life becomes unbearable for jews in England.
Well, the most chilling moment of my life was when muslims on a demonstration in London told me (and their communist water-carriers) “when Israel has no more allies, my people will invade from all sides, and we will eat every jewish baby”. I asked the muslim to repeat it, and he did. His “brothers” around him all nodded in agreement. Even the communist water-carriers blanched at that statement.
At the time, I thought it was just gruesome and spiteful. Seeing the photos of muslims in Syria eating the organs of their enemy, I don’t think he was speaking metaphorically.

Alex Feltham
Alex Feltham
10 years ago

We Brits are all sickened by this endless pandering to Islamic thugs.
But on a lighter note the blogger Ruthless Truth has come up with a way of destroying the Islamists. It’s in a post: “So, What Now?” At:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/

cassandra
cassandra
10 years ago

Dear Pamela and Robert,
We in UK need you as a dying patient needs a blood transfusion! Please can all people sign this petition asking the UK gov to reinstate Pamela and Robert’s visit to the UK.
Having carefully studied the letter from the Home Secretary, their hypocrisy is staggering. There are many points to be answered. We will be sending letters out tomorrow.
For now please sign this: http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/allow-pamela-geller-and-robert-spencer-to-speak-in-uk.html
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO PUT WHICH COUNTRY YOU ARE IN. THANK YOU!

cassandra
cassandra
10 years ago

Already done this: have blocked a number of Israeli politicians and IDF personnel on grounds of “war crimes” but Muslim terrorists are welcome.
BTW today on twitter, a young Muslim boy calling himself a patriot said you were not anti-islam – and promptly gets his account suspended!

Defcon 4
Defcon 4
10 years ago

This is nothing new. The islamonazi Nasser threatened to push the Jews into the sea some thirty years ago. The islamonazi organization Hamas has part of its charter an Islamic hadith that calls for the extermation of Jews. Jew hatred is part and parcel of Islam.

Defcon 4
Defcon 4
10 years ago

Nothing like an islamo-nazi defining what it means to be Jewish.

Defcon 4
Defcon 4
10 years ago

LOL. Yeah right. Tell that to the thousands of Jews slaughtered in Al Andalus by muslimes when the caliph/sultan appointed a Jewish governor to rule over a province. Tell it to Maimonides, who was given the atypical choice of convert to Islam, die or go into exile (most kufrs/infidels weren’t give the choice of going into exile).

fern
fern
10 years ago

Israel doesn’t help themselves by letting their enemies infiltrate their Government. You would think they would learn lessons from abroad but they haven’t. There are many residing in Israel who work quite openly against their own government/country. When ‘the cult’ has such accommodating bedfellows – is it any surprise our countries are in such a mess?

Anthony
Anthony
10 years ago

They wish to make nice, history is repeating itself wake up wake up.

Happily Somali
Happily Somali
10 years ago

I don’t live in or any near that dreadfully cold island. Britain belongs to whomever is in Government. Who knows, they may replace the three crosses with 3 crescents.

Happily Somali
Happily Somali
10 years ago

Islamo-nazi isn’t a real word. I didn’t define her Jewishness. I pointed out that Jewish organisations run by Jews across two countries and an ocean think she is a bigot.

Not an eloi
Not an eloi
10 years ago

The British empire is now a united Arab emirate. They have banned members of the Israeli government, before. The U.S. is surrendering to the Taliban and sending troops to Egypt to protect the Moslem brotherhood. A few miles from my house bearded
Men in Salafist garb have an FBI free mosque. They can plot and plan and my government does not care. We need to start a campaign. If gay people can have legal success , surely we can organize an end to suicidal policies that will turn us onto Britain.

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