Who Polices the Police?

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In Geller’s case, members of York Region’s Muslim community — of which Veerappan is a member — reportedly wanted the immigration minister’s office to keep her out of the country.

So now we know. The fascist police thug who strongarmed the Chabad rabbi to cancel my speech is a Muslim. He is using the full weight of Canadian (Western) law to enforce Islamic law (blasphemy laws under the sharia).

The biggest daily in the nation's capital, the Ottawa Citizen, has this excellent editorial on the speech police:

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Policing speech

According to reports, Veerappan didn’t like
the idea of her expressing such views, and, supposedly, told Kaplan his
position with the department would be in question if he didn’t cancel
the invitation. “If he did (host Geller), then we’d have to reassess our
relation with (Kaplan),” Veerappan told a reporter. “Some of the stuff
that Ms. Geller speaks about runs contrary to the values of York
Regional Police and the work we do in engaging our communities.”

Whether
the job threat was real, and whether anyone agrees or not with Geller’s
views, Veerappan’s conduct is appalling. Canadians expect police to
respect Charter provisions protecting freedom of speech. They are not
supposed to act as censors at the behest of a particular community.

Unfortunately,
the desire of some to stifle the freedoms of others with whom they
disagree has become all too common. Journalists Mark Steyn and Ezra
Levant were dragged before human rights tribunals by those who objected
to their opinions about Islam. A speaking engagement by right-wing
commentator Ann Coulter at the University of Ottawa was shut down by
demonstrators. The Canadian government has tried to keep out George
Galloway, a left-wing British politician hostile toward Israel. In
Geller’s case, members of York Region’s Muslim community — of which
Veerappan is a member — reportedly wanted the immigration minister’s
office to keep her out of the country.

Interestingly, Veerappan’s
conduct offends other Muslims. In a letter to York police chief Eric
Jolliffe, Salim Mansur, a University of Western Ontario academic, wrote:
“I am appalled that … we continue to hear regularly how the liberal
democratic tradition of Canada and the West is being systematically
shredded by institutions sworn to protect it.” Some Muslims who’ve made
Canada their home, he said, “need to learn the culture … of a society
that is open to debates and discussions however painful this might be to
someone else’s sensibilities.”

Insp. Veerappan — the entire York Regional Police department? — appears to be among those who need this lesson.

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H. Matson
H. Matson
10 years ago

Both Police Chief Eric Jolliffe and Ricky Veerappan must resign for their gross violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. These two policemen violated their oaths of office. Their resignation letters must be delivered to their superiors Monday morning May 6, 2013 at 9:00AM.

Tom Billesley
Tom Billesley
10 years ago

York Regional Police has reason “to reassess our relation with” Inspector Ricky.

mrzee
mrzee
10 years ago

The editorial is incorrect regarding George Galloway. He was never prevented from coming to Canada. He was told there were grounds for not allowing to enter the country because he provided funds to a terrorist organization (Hamas) so he never came. It had nothing to do with the nonsense that dribbles out of his mouth. And two years later he was allowed with no problem. It’s only conservatives who ever run into speech problems in Canada.

alyn21
alyn21
10 years ago

In any war between the civilized man and the savage support the civilized man.
Support Canadian values, Defeat Jihad.

f
f
10 years ago

Yet another muslim committing gross misconduct by abusing [their] powers for their own warped agenda. What a surprise! [sarc]
The conniving little wretch Veerappan, is unveiled for all to see.
Watch your back Canada!
Well done.

Den
Den
10 years ago

Please give us Veerappan’s email address or just give us her boss’ email.
So we can address our concern, of course, politely 🙂

Bezelel
Bezelel
10 years ago

A muslim in charge of Diversity? Equity?and inclusion? You mean like the S.O.B we have in charge of human rights at Great Neck? Muslim Ideology has no place for any of those qualities. That’s the Problem. WTF is this even needs to be discussed, either the koran is inaccurate or these thugs are. Which one is it?

KKKK
KKKK
10 years ago

after the 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and the US Capitol Building, killing thousands of OUR people (men and women, old and young, born and unborn), one would THINK that Americans would see the evil that is in Islamic Jihad. yet so many are still asleep. Tragic.

Peter picked a peck of pickled peppers!
Peter picked a peck of pickled peppers!
10 years ago

Salim Mansur, a University of Western Ontario academic, wrote: “I am appalled that … we continue to hear regularly how the liberal democratic tradition of Canada and the West is being systematically shredded by institutions sworn to protect it.” Some Muslims who’ve made Canada their home, he said, “need to learn the culture … of a society that is open to debates and discussions however painful this might be to someone else’s sensibilities.”
Yeah, some Muslims have to decide whether they want to live in the West as Muslims with the limitations that implies. Or, if they insist on trying to make the West more Islamic, they really aught to move to a Muslim society/country where they can live more fully as Muslims.

max muller
max muller
10 years ago

Forget about it. It’s a police state from the top down The Jihadists are there to assimilate the country not vice versa and they have started from the top down.

Lenin-McCarthy
Lenin-McCarthy
10 years ago

Yes, free speech is under attack in Canada. In Canada you can be charged with a hate crime if you speak out against homosexuality, for example. I can see laws being passed by future liberal governments to prosecute islam critics. I feel for you Pam. I don’t mean to play devil’s advocate here but I saw this coming.

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

“Geller is well known in the United States for her criticism of Islamist ideology and her opposition to building an Islamic centre near the site of the World Trade Center.”
Could have read: Ms. Geller is well known in the United States for her tireless efforts to speak out against totalitarism that is at the core of Islamic teachings along with her opposition to the building of an Islamic victory mosque on the hollowed ground where 3,000 innocent Americans died in the 9/11 jihadist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
(I dream of the day….)

Andrey
Andrey
10 years ago

I can’t agree with the 2nd paragraph. Imagine, that this is written after the WWII: “some Nazis have to decide whether they want to live in the West as Nazis with the limitation that implies.”, and so on… Not all Nazis were SS-men, Gestapo officers or concentration camp guards. Nevertheless Nazist ideology, their party NSDAP, all Nazi organizations were forbidden. And none of them could choose “to live as Nazis”, only as former Nazis. Islam is a misanthropic (even more – misogynist) ideology, propagating violence, enslavery, debauchery and other deadly sins. This ideology MUST be blamed and forbidden. For the so called “moderate and peaceful muslims” if they are really peaceful, it would be an act of mercy.

Take It Back
Take It Back
10 years ago

Oh my… its a ” Rat saying there is no rat problem”!
Oh People, of the Free world… Please stand up and be counted…. they are creating hell on earth as it is demostrated in their muslim lands, exhibit A: somalia, anarchy!

canadianmohamhater
canadianmohamhater
10 years ago

Extremely well said Sarah. It is people like you and Pam that make me proud to be a Western woman. Thank you for this posting.

Laura
Laura
10 years ago

In Geller’s case, members of York Region’s Muslim community — of which Veerappan is a member —
………………………………………………………………………….
I thought so. His last name indicates that he is either Indian or Pakistani.

canadianmohamhater
canadianmohamhater
10 years ago

Have you ever noticed how stupid so many of them are? Ricky kinda reminds me of ‘the emperor with no clothes’…a pompous ass.

TorontoAntiJihadist
TorontoAntiJihadist
10 years ago

I was looking through all the comments wondering whether anybody would suggest this. You say, “… must resign”, but what can we actually do to put the pressure on? Would a petition be the best course of action in this case, or is there a better alternative?

Kali Politis
Kali Politis
10 years ago

I just love the way this Muslim thug entirely proves your point and your raison d’etre, which is to warn the world about JUST SUCH THUGGERY.
Doh! What an idiot. This fool should be tried for treason.
Just goes to prove once again that Muslim fanatics are not trustworthy in positions of power. (Notice I said “fanatics,” not reasonable people like Salim Mansur and the Muslim Canadian Congress.)

Kali Politis
Kali Politis
10 years ago

Salim Mansur’s full letter is amazing – the man’s a national treasure.
http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2013/05/salim-mansur-schools-chief-eric.html
Here’s more from the same letter by Mansur:
“…those pushing for preventing Ms. Pamela Geller from speaking by putting pressure on Rabbi Mendel to deny the use of his synagogue for holding her event are people I know very well. These are people, Muslims as I am, who come from cultures that have no respect for individual rights and freedoms enshrined in our constitution, and while making home here in Canada have no respect for the culture of this country. They need to learn the culture of a free society, of a society that is open to debates and discussions however painful this might be to someone else’s sensibilities. But if you concede to their demands, all that you would be doing is indulging them, heeding their wishes and threats, and slowly, intentionally or not, bending Canada’s tradition in the direction of the ruined cultures of these people which they have brought with them and want to push into our society.”

f.s.
f.s.
10 years ago

A disturbing pattern does appear to be emerging. We saw in in Great Neck, now in Canada. Muslims in the West, even in low level positions of authority, are only to ready to abuse that authority to DICTATE to Jewish religious leaders who they can and cannot have speak in their houses of worship?
Can anyone imagine members of the Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, or Atheist communities ever daring to tell Muslim clerics who they can and cannot have speak in their Mosques?
The flagrant chauvinism of these Muslim officials towards the Jewish people is mind blowing. It is the very definition of intolerant. It should serve as a warning to those soon to also find themselves at odds with the Muslim community in the West such as homosexuals and feminists– communities still turning a blind eye to the widespread horrors being committed routinely, ‘legally’ against gays, women and girls in Muslim dominated world like Iran, Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan and now Gaza.
Or are we to understand that honor killings, the hanging of gays, the public stoning of rape victims, and the forced marriage of little girls to grown men are now proud “values” of the York Regional Police Department of Canada, so much so that all criticism of these practices must be vanquished?!
‘O Canada’ is right!

Fitna
Fitna
10 years ago

I’m glad to find out this asshole was a Muslim. His name made it seem as if he was a hindu Indian. Just goes to show there’s really no such thing as a moderate muslim. Give them power and they will immediately start using it against you.
These stupid fucks don’t realize they are in support of a fascist dark ages theocracy. They’re worthless scum and I look forward to the day we go to war against them in earnest.

InfidelForLife
InfidelForLife
10 years ago

This is merely a predictable result of showing tolerance to the intolerant. And “progressives” think it is fine.

Fitna
Fitna
10 years ago

Unfortunately the ‘Progressives’ think that if they oppose anything the ‘right wing’ does, it must be the correct thing to do.
The biggest problem however is that complete lack of knowledge that people have about Islam, so people only react on instinct of whatever they’ve been brainwashed to think is right.
If muslims were space aliens who landed on our planet, the sensible way to deal with them is cautiously-giving them the benefit of the doubt. But then if we saw these aliens raping our women, setting off bombs, rioting over cartoons, etc, that would demand that we take a hostile and defensive approach with them.
But then if they brought their guidebooks for how to live as a muslim, would we not want to study their ideologies and beliefs to better understand them? What if they were a colonizing species that invaded and conquered planets?
This is the fatal error that liberals make, but I’d blame any conservatives too who refused to learn about this ‘species.’ Why are people so naive and trusting of others? Why is the first reaction not cynicism, suspicion and being on guard against what could turn out to be a potential enemy-which is in fact what they are, since they’ve proven this repeatedly.
I recently saw a discouraging video for what is yet to come for the anti-Islamic movement. Expect the left to further solidify their unity with muslims and expect to be violently attacked by them. This war is just starting to unfold:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iep_gzEVjQ4

Fitna
Fitna
10 years ago

One point I forgot to add-it’s a good reminder for all of us who oppose Islam to band together (whatever race or religion) and work to defeat Islam. Take self-defense, carry whatever is legal in your state/province to protect yourself and learn to take down the enemy because they will come at us with everything.

Choi
Choi
10 years ago

The motto of the “York Regional Police” is “DEEDS SPEAK”.
YES.THEY.DO.
And Ricky Verrappan’s DEED SCREAMED!

Jack Hampton
Jack Hampton
10 years ago

I still think the Rabbi was a coward for caving into the thug. Is this voluntary position so important that he is willing to stop freedom of speech?

rosenberg
rosenberg
10 years ago

please share
I HOSTED PAMELA GELLER AND WAS NOT AFRAID. I WAS THREATENED and harassed. RABBIS GROW SOME BATZIM. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG
America Unite BOSTON BOMBING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYenEIEUp4

Share this link with everyone
Share this link with everyone
10 years ago

WHEN Canadians will GET IT ??!
I. PEACE, VIOLENCE, AND ABROGATION
Muslims in the West are quick to point to passages such as Qur’an 109:6 (“You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) and 2:256 (“There is no compulsion in religion”) as evidence that Islam is a religion of peace. When confronted with harsher passages such as 9:5 (“Slay the idolaters wherever you find them”) and 9:29 (“Fight those who believe not in Allah”), Westernized Muslims interpret these verses in light of the more peaceful teachings of the Qur’an, typically saying something like: “Well, the Qur’an can’t be commanding us to kill unbelievers, since it says that there’s no compulsion in religion.”
Hence, Westernized Muslims pick the verses of the Qur’an they find most attractive, and they use these verses to sanitize the rest of the Qur’an. But is this the correct way to interpret the Qur’an? Unfortunately, the answer is no. The Qur’an presents its own method of interpretation—the Doctrine of Abrogation.
Qur’an 2:106—Whatever verse we shall abrogate, or cause [thee] to forget, we will bring a better than it, or one like unto it. Dost thou not know that God is almighty?
Qur’an 16:101—When We substitute one revelation for another—and God knows best what He reveals (in stages)—they say, “Thou art but a forger”: but most of them understand not.
According to the Qur’an, then, when Muslims are faced with conflicting commands, they aren’t supposed to pick the one they like best. Rather, they are to go to history and see which verse was revealed last. Whichever verse came last is said to abrogate (or cancel) earlier revelations.
What happens when we apply this methodology to Qur’anic verses on peace and violence?
II. THE CALL TO JIHAD: THREE STAGES
When we turn to Islam’s theological sources and historical writings (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira, and Tafsir), we find that there are three stages in the call to Jihad, depending on the status of Muslims in a society.
STAGE ONE—When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can’t possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are to live in peace with non-Muslims and preach a message of tolerance. We see an example of this stage when Muhammad and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca. Since the Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the revelations Muhammad received during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future punishment (rather than a worldly punishment) for unbelievers.
STAGE TWO—When there are enough Muslims and resources to defend the Islamic community, Muslims are called to engage in defensive Jihad. Thus, when Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to begin fighting, Muhammad received Qur’an 22:39-40:
Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: our Lord is Allah. . . .
Although Muslims in the West often pretend that Islam only allows defensive fighting, later revelations show otherwise.
STAGE THREE—When Muslims establish a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive Jihad. Hence, once Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he received the call the fight all unbelievers. In Surah 9:29, we read:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight those who don’t believe in Islam (including the “People of the Book”—Jews and Christians).
Not surprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of ahadith (traditions containing Muhammad’s teachings).
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”
Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Here again, the criterion for fighting people is that the people believe something other than Islam.
It’s clear, then, that when Muslims rose to power, peaceful verses of the Qur’an were abrogated by verses commanding Muslims to fight people based on their beliefs. Islam’s greatest scholars acknowledge this. For instance, Ibn Kathir (Islam’s greatest commentator on the Qur’an) sums up Stage Three as follows: “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.”
III. WHEN MUSLIMS REACH STAGE THREE
Abrogation also accounts for shifting attitudes regarding Jews and Christians in the Qur’an. While Muslims are to be friendly to Jews and Christians when the former are outnumbered, the Islamic position changes when Muslims reach Stage Three, at which point Christians and Jews are to recognize their inferior status and pay the Jizyah (a payment made to Muslims in exchange for not being killed by them). Consider some of Muhammad’s later teachings about Christians and Jews:
Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Qur’an 9:30—And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Qur’an 98:6—Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They are the worst of creatures.
Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”
Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103—Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”
Needless to say, these teachings can hardly be considered peaceful or tolerant.
IV. MUSLIMS IN THE WEST
Since Muhammad obviously commanded his followers to fight unbelievers (simply for being unbelievers), why do Muslims in the West deny this? Here we must turn to Surah 3:28, which reads:
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security.
According to this verse (which uses a variation of the word Taqiyya, meaning “concealment”), Muslims are not allowed to be friends with non-Muslims. However, if Muslims feel threatened by a stronger adversary, they are allowed to pretend to be friendly. Ibn Kathir comments: “In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly but never inwardly.” Abu Darda, one of Muhammad’s companions, put it this way: “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”
Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam is a religion that pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. Of course, there are many Muslims who aren’t violent. Many Muslims in the West love peace and tolerance. But they didn’t get these values from Islam. They got them from the West, and now they’re reinterpreting Islam based on their Western values. For dedicated Muslims, however, there are only two possible situations to be in: (1) fighting unbelievers, and (2) pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight unbelievers. Either way, fighting non-Muslims and conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.
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Jihad SPIT on Canadians...
Jihad SPIT on Canadians...
10 years ago

Prime Minister Steven Harper! ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ?? Your Free Country is NOT Free ANYMORE… THINK ABOUT IT Sir…

f
f
10 years ago

Any muslim having any affiliation with CAIR should be carefully scrutinised, even the police.

NoJihadi
NoJihadi
10 years ago

Okay, that is interesting. Now, what is your solution for the now millions of Muslims in our midst who may at any time start interpreting the Koran correctly?
“Liberalism is a mental disorder.” — Michael Savage

Harvey
Harvey
10 years ago

(Re: police officer Ricky Veerappan)
Address all correspondence to:
Police Chief Eric Jolliffe
York Regional Police
17250 Yonge Street
Newmarket, Ontario Canada
L3Y-4W5
1-866-876-5423
Email: [email protected]

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
10 years ago

How do you know the “peace loving Muslims” aren’t completely on-board w/the more violent actions of their brethren? Their cheap words of condolence and denunciation of islamofascist atrocities ring hollow in the face of their complete inaction in doing anything about it. Islam is the only religion that not only advocates, but codifies mendacity.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
10 years ago

HOw do you know these scuzzlums are “reasonable”? They could just as easily be better liars and you a more willing dupe. Yasser Arafat, the islamonazi ape and terrorist, frequently made pretty speeches to the Western media, speeches that made him appear moderate and peaceful, but he also made speeches to his own people (in Arabic) that weren’t meant for the Western media, speeches in which his true intentions were laid bare to commit genocide on the Jewish people and destroy Israel. Similarly Morsi makes such pretty speeches to the Western media, while ranting and raving in Arabic about Jews being evil, sons or apes and swine etc.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
10 years ago

A Canadian citizen has been arrested, handcuffed and imprisoned not once, but twice for publicly criticising islamonazism. I didn’t notice any of the “moderate” scuzzlums coming to his assistance either.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
10 years ago

Aw gee, I’m glad to see empty words are all you need. Why don’t you see how much the empty words of an islamonazi ape have assisted Eric Brazau, who has been arrested, handcuffed and thrown in prison for publicly criticising pisslam. Some people deserve islamonazism.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
10 years ago

“Even the police”? I’d say especially the police and district attorneys and judges and legislators…

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