Sean Hannity Show: Pamela Geller vs Michael Ghouse
Debate Jihad

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If you missed my knock down drag out with Moderate Michael Ghouse yesterday on the Sean Hannity show — watch it now.

Pam Geller on KABC-AM (Radio) – Los Angeles, CA

Download the audio here: Download GellerHannityFeb72013

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Face_The_Truth
Face_The_Truth
11 years ago

MICHAEL GHOUSE wants Americans to believe that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism.
MICHAEL GHOUSE promotes the false notion that “Jihad” happens MICHAEL GHOUSE wants to purify himself in the middle of the night.
MICHAEL GHOUSE says that terrorists can never be Muslims.
MICHAEL GHOUSE loves Talk Show’s Sean Hannity to promote a fictionalized version of Islam to gullible infidels in America.
MICHAEL GHOUSE is similar to Imam Fazal Rauf of Ground Zero Islamic Cultural Center.

Amillennialist
Amillennialist
11 years ago

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘. . . I have been made victorious with terror . . .'” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

Larry S.
Larry S.
11 years ago

I don’t see the Muslim world being outraged by the murder of Nigerian Christians, as Mr. Ghouse claimed. Perhaps he could point to authentic reports showing where large numbers of Muslims are outraged by these murders. Are Muslim institutions coming to the defense of these besieged Christians? If so, it must have escaped my notice.
Sean was working at cross purposes to Pamela. Pamela wanted to address the meaning of jihad, while Sean was more concerned with current events.
I do sympathize with Mr. Ghouse in that he found it difficult to get a word in edgewise. He did come off to me as someone with whom one could conduct a reasonable debate, but Hannity’s show did not really offer him the opportunity to do so.
Finally, I’ll quote from Robert Spencer’s “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam”, pp. 38-39, in which he quotes Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani (d. 996), a Maliki jurist:
Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them.
I admit, I don’t see, if jihad is some sort of internal struggle, how one person’s effort in that regard absolves other people from engaging in that struggle. Your take, Mr. Ghouse?
I would like to see a reasoned rebuttal of Spencer’s claim that violent jihad is central to Islam. Perhaps Mr. Ghouse could offer that, and I would hope that AFDI’s websites would allow him the opportunity to make that rebuttal. Then, it would truly be inspiring to see him make that case in the Muslim world. Of course, were he to do so, he would risk his life.

KKK
KKK
11 years ago

Michael a “moderate?” more like a Islamic stealth jihadist who practices taqqiya and maintains secret ties with jihad groups. he’s nothing compared to Geller, my hero!

Chris Wolf
Chris Wolf
11 years ago

President barack obama presents Americans with a crucial decision.
We are faced with a rabid and merciless sworn mortal enemy called Islam.
Islam and its one-billion adherents are dedicated to killing us all and vanquishing our civilization.
Are we going to cooperate and acquiesce with them in their war against us, like obama wants us to?
Or are we going to remove obama from office in chains and stand up in defense of our country, culture and future?

Marta
Marta
11 years ago

This exchange between you and the HAMAS-CAIR representative is a clear example of how difficult it will be to defeat this web of lies.
I’m learning from you, because it’s very hard to tell someone in his or her face that they are not been truthful … We have been trained to be “nice,” and we are victims of our own efforts not to make people feel uncomfortable.
I admire the way you faced the issue, and will follow your example in one of these “interfaith” events.

Choi
Choi
11 years ago

Michael Ghouse is the “Washington Generals” of Talk Radio/TV.
His record vs Pamela is worse than the “Generals” is against the “Harlem Globetrotters”.
The man has travelled across Dimensions if he really “believes’ his own BS
It’s always fun to see just how much TRUTH he and his fellow travellers can be CONFRONTED with before they start UNRAVELING,showing their TRUE selves.

Chris Wolf
Chris Wolf
11 years ago

obama has us all confused and bumping into each other over his deceptive “false flag” feint about killing terrorist-affiliated American citizens on foreign soil by drone attack.
Yes, he might order an attack on one or another terrorist-affiliated traitor. But his real veiled purpose of this whole policy kerfuffle is to turn the tables on his critics and to shroud his true ultimate treasonous intent as a terrorist-affiliated traitor himself.
It’s a muslim thing.

Bernard Abernathy
Bernard Abernathy
11 years ago

Jihad in Islam just means “struggle”, not fighting in the cause of Allah?
Will you still believe it?
Will you still cleave to it?
When you read the jihad verses 164?
Whoo!
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

sheik yer'mami
sheik yer'mami
11 years ago

The “inner struggle” jihad is not in the Koran.
There is a hadith that Muslims consider ‘weak’ or forged that talks about the ‘Greater Jihad’ and the ‘Lesser Jihad’.
This is only ever used to pull the Islamic wool over infidel eyes and ears. It has no substance in Islamic doctrine.

Chervil
Chervil
11 years ago

Ghouse’s MrNicey mask started to fall apart midway through. Patched it back together again, but his lid was rattling.

Fitna
Fitna
11 years ago

Just remember muslims will keep telling you jihad means internal struggle until the day they stick a knife into your internal organs. What kind of stupid enemy is going to openly admit their true intention is to kill you?
Imagine if Ghouse said, “you’re right Pamela and Sean, we muslims plan to kill you, that’s what jihad really means.” He’ll be in jail or killed along with other muslims.
So expect every true muslim to lie until they are stronger and more numerous than us, then it’ll be open season on infidels like it is today in all Islamic states where muslims are majorities or have large populations.
Don’t wait for Islam to reform, it never will and don’t expect muslims to align with us aside from those trying to escape Islam. We need to go on the offense and start a “Ban Islam” movement, plain and simple.
Right now we’re still fighting on the defensive and only one of the many tentacles Islam has. We’ll never win that way, we have to go after the whole freak show of Islam and shut it down.
Someone will need to step up and make that the bold mandate. Presently the anti-Islamic movement is nothing more than a bunch of complaints about Islam “look how evil muslims are.” But there is no coherent strategy, no real goal. So I’m throwing down the gauntlet and declaring our goal should be the elimination of the religion from the US then the West in general.
Ultimately that is what needs to happen. Of course it’ll get very ugly, but anything less merely allows the monster of Islam to keep living, growing, spreading itself. Banning Islam, as we would ban the Nazi movement is the only sensible course in this war.

Fitna
Fitna
11 years ago

Btw you did a great job in the interview Pamela. Ghouse makes a useful sock puppet for Islam, he’s not as obnoxious and overbearing as some muslims debaters I’ve seen.

Debi Brand
Debi Brand
11 years ago

Good God, Almighty…
Shut this mouth (Michael) up and let the Qur’an and all the supporting “Sacred texts” do the talking.
Then, let these Muslims disregard and disparage the words, actions, and approvals of Allah and of their Prophet. Let them do the same of the same of his Companions and of their Followers.
And the same with the Followers of those Followers, and on down the line of those the “Holy Prophet” commanded we venerate, or suffer Allah’s “seizing,” including the consensus of their revered Imams and Qadis.
In the meanwhile, America, wake up.
Demand we outlaw the practice of Islam here in our nation. Leave no Mosque or madrassa standing or function as such.
Either do that or acknowledge, we accept all acts practiced under the umbrella of freedom of religion, thus, all tenets spelled out in the “Islamic Sacred texts,” including killing and maiming here in our nation for the sake of Allah.
Sorry, All, with sharp regard for reality, there’s no other options.
Good work, Pamella.

Rita
Rita
11 years ago

BRAVO PAMELA !!!!!!GOOD FOR YOU !!! “You do not have a theological leg to stand one!” Magnifique 🙂 JAYYYYYY.

Cassandra Clearwater
Cassandra Clearwater
11 years ago

Pamela, this was a great debate. You are right allover. Unfortunately Mr.Goucher is dishonest and he is lying.He is also a disgusting hypocrite.
When he says that Muslims just wage jihad to defend themselves what a lie the Muslims waged war for 1400 years on the world. I admire your courage and clarity of mind Pamela. You will not change the mind of this man he is deeply indoctrinated from childhood. The man is not naive he knows. Mr. Groucher cannot stand the fact that some people in the West are waking up and have caught these lying Muslims in their lies. I had at one point in my life Muslim friends from Egypt.I did not think anything about it until one day he brought hi Koran out and wanted to tell me how wonderful this book was. I told him that the bible was also wonderful. So I bought the Koran and read it. The next time I was at his house I told him what I thought of the Koran. This ended up our friendship

Watcher87
Watcher87
11 years ago

“…he [Ghouse] says that Muslims just wage jihad to defend themselves…”
Haven’t I read that to disbelieve Islam is considered (by believers in Islam) to be an attack on Islam and therefore justifies attacking the disbeliever as a defense of Islam?

Pray Hard
Pray Hard
11 years ago

How do you know they’re lying? Their lips are moving. It’s just that simple.
Will they kill us if they get a chance? Yes. It’s just that simple.
Will they destroy Western civilization and take the world back at least 1,400 years? Yes. It’s just that simple.
Really, what’s left to say? We know what they are. We know what they’re doing. We know they’re evil, always have been, always will be.
Learn to not fall for their lies. Learn to not use their language (use “homicide bomber” instead of “suicide bomber”, for instance.)
Islam is poison.

Laura
Laura
11 years ago

Fantastic job, Pam. You completely demolished him.

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