AFDI Rebuttal ads NOW up denouncing SFMTA Sharia Compliant Disclaimers

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These ads just went up on San Francisco MTA buses. SFMTA ran an unprecedented disclaimer, a first in outdoor advertising history, next to our pro-freedom, anti-jihad ads. Their disclaimer reads:
“SFMTA Policy Prohibits Discrimination Based On National Origin,
Religion and Other Characteristics and Condemns Statements That Describe
Any Group As Savages.”
Really? Were the Nazis savages? The Taliban? Hamas? Al Qaeda? Boko Haram? Daniel Pearl's beheaders? The Fogel family's cold blooded murderers?

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Knee-jerk sharia enforcement. Scores of anti-Israel ads that ran
without a disclaimer. Why didn't they have a problem with the
anti-Jewish ads? San Francisco has run a number of anti-Israel
ad campaigns. Why did they not run this disclaimer next to those ads?
That silence is sanction and tacit approval. Institutionalized
anti-semitism. Who cares if Muni approves the message or not? It is not
their job to agree or disagree.

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"Shariah is here: Disclaimer sticks up for savages" WND, August 22, 2012

Exclusive: Pamela Geller covers latest blowback from anti-jihad ads in transit systems

Two counter-jihad ads my organization, the American Freedom Defense
Initiative (AFDI), began running last week in New York and San Francisco
are causing quite a stir. Dhimmi public officials and media are falling
all over themselves in furious efforts to enforce the restrictions on
free speech the Shariah prescribes. […]

In San Francisco, our ads said, “In any war between the civilized man
and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat
jihad.” […]

In an unprecedented move, the city of San Francisco is placing ads
right next to every one of our pro-Israel ads on San Francisco Muni
buses, saying (according to ABC 7 San Francisco) “Muni condemns statements that describe any group as savages.”

This is unprecedented in the history of outdoor advertising. This is
the manifestation of Shariah in Western society. Any war on innocent
civilians is savage. They are reading into my ad the idea that “all
Muslims” or “all Arabs” want to destroy Israel. That is nowhere in my
message. They are the Islamophobes and racists.

The rush to assure the world that the “Palestinian” jihadists are not
savages amazes me. The war on Israel is a war on innocent civilians.
The targeting of civilians is savage. The relentless 60-year campaign of
terror against the Jewish people is savage. The torture of hostage
Gilad Shalit was savage. The bloody hacking to death of the Fogel family
was savage. The Munich Olympic massacre was savage. The unspeakable
torture of Ehud Goldwasser was savage. The tens of thousands of rockets
fired from Gaza into southern Israel (into schools, homes, etc.) are
savage. The vicious Jew-hatred behind this genocide is savage. The
endless demonization of the Jewish people in the Palestinian and Arab
media is savage. The refusal to recognize the state of Israel as a
Jewish state is savage. The list is endless.

But what galls me here again are the scores of anti-Israel ads that
ran in San Francisco without a disclaimer. Why didn’t they have a
problem with the anti-Jewish ads? Why did they not run this disclaimer
next to those ads? That silence is sanction and tacit approval.
Institutionalized anti-Semitism. Who cares if Muni approves the message
or not? It is not their job to agree or disagree.

The truth is not offensive. The millions slaughtered in jihad – that is offensive to free men.

Read the whole thing.

Sfmta rubt1

 

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Studs Lonnigan
Studs Lonnigan
11 years ago

They are savages Geller. Stand your ground woman! Stop worrying about being called some liberal buzz word.

simon billing
simon billing
11 years ago

Ms. Geller, I’ve worked in advertising for over 30 years during which time I’ve learned a bit about communication. You are being disingenuous. As written your ads strongly imply that anyone who does not support Israel’s actions or political positions is a savage. If the ad read Support Israel’s right to security, or Support Israel’s right to exist. You would have been on safer ground. You apply the same ridiculously broad brush to a complex and much misunderstood and misapplied (particularly by the extremists) theological concept Jihad. All Muslims subscribe to Jihad, not all interpret it to mean holy war. Again, had your ad said Defeat terrorism or even Defeat extremist Islamic terrorism you might have had a legitimate point. As it is you are being disingenuous and given your evident intellect, I would have to say deliberately slandering all muslims and all who do not support Israel’s politics at any moment in tim.

Paul
Paul
11 years ago

Hillary Clinton, refering to the killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens, was quoted as saying: “This was an attack by a small and savage group”. I haven’t heard anyone condemning her for describing any group as savages!

Muslim
Muslim
11 years ago

To be honest I don’t know where to start, seeing this is really heart-breaking to me. I know that the killing and the threatning that are happening these days are getting out of hand, but still making a disrespectful movie about someone who we dearly praise is something we simply do not accept and I’m sure that if that have happened to you you wouldn’t stay silent also. However just so I could clarify to you, the people who are killing without a soul and you call them muslims, they DO NOT know what Islam REALLY is, god knows what’s in their mind. In islam Allah ‘god’ has forbidden the killing of an innocent soul and you can find this in Quran, unless this “particular” person has done something to us. REAL muslims aren’t as aggressive as those people, they lack knowledge about what Islam is and you don’t know, don’t you ever think that there might be someone or some group who hates Islam would do anything to manipulate islam’s image? if you read a little about Islam and know what the Quran really says, I guarentee you that Sunna’s Islam is NOT what you think it is. I really hate how now people think of things about islam which are Totally is not true.

Muslim
Muslim
11 years ago

oh and another thing about Israel, I’m just gonna ask a question, how would you feel if people from outside your beloved country came and destroyed your house without warning and protected by guards from an army, and even if you went to a court to proof that this land is YOUR land the “Jews Court” (of course) will do anything to prove you wrong (even if you have the rights to this land), also how would you feel if you just peacefully walk down a street, a bunch of racist just throw words at you, and also burn the church you pray in and write horrible words on its walls? just go to youtube and watch how Jews in Israel Really treats Muslims, before you call Muslims as Terrorists.
PS: sorry about my English but all I want from you is to hear from Both sides and from Muslims who KNOW about their religion and don’t judge by a group of people who no little.

Asha108
Asha108
11 years ago

@Muslim,
Read Jihad Watch and explain Islamism.

Mary Passer
Mary Passer
11 years ago

I would love to see you fly over there with all your little posters. Just because you can, Geller, doesn’t mean you should. You’re a pot stirrer. Have you not considered the repercussions of your words? I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion and I cherish the fact that as Americans we enjoy many rights, including free speech. But with those rights comes a moral obligation to consider the repercussions of your actions. Spouting your mouth off from the safety of our country at the expense of Americans abroad just to exercise your right to free speech is reprehensible at best. May any blood shed as a result of your thoughtlessness and utter stupidity be on your hands, lady.

mona
mona
11 years ago

America is under the control of a hideous entity which owns the media, in my diary of 2008 I noted that the Jews have 164 Nobel prize winners from a population of 18 million, Muslims have 3 from a population of one and a half billion, says it all, Islam is an intellectual void that turns men into simple robots,, its stultifying effects on creative thought, However I don’t think Savages is the right word to describe many of them,, simpletons may be less harsh, their actions are of total savagery, Islam ( the word makes me feel like regurgitating ) is so humorless, unsmiling, its inability to criticise itself or accept it from others, and sees murder , mass murder as divine instruction as a pathway to eternal sexual gluttony.

Mackie
Mackie
11 years ago

I found it interesting that numerous commentators on cable news programs have chosen to use the term barbaric or barbarian. In Merriam Webster the word savage is still present in its definition as you will note below, the difference in the definition is; “A MORE COMPLEX SAVAGERY”— UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
b : possessing or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization

Cate
Cate
11 years ago

Muslim – if you are an alleged “moderate” Muslim, then you, along with ALL Muslims must DEMAND Muslims stand together, reject your terrorist, radicalized counterparts, and overhaul your violent, religious ideology. Expunge your texts of the violent, savage behavior. Speak out publicly against those who engage in murder, amputations, beheadings, stonings, throat-slitting, clitorectomies, inbreeding, rape, incest, acid attacks, and all the rest of the abberant behavior that is done in the name of your “god” and your “prophet.” Until that time, you will NEVER be accepted anywhere. People worldwide, rightly so, view you ALL with distrust. There have been almost 20,000 ISLAMIC attacks in the name of your “god” and “prophet” done since 9/11. Your silence = complicity and acceptance of your terrorist counterparts. And if you and the rest of your so-called moderates won’t get it together, I very much look forward to the arrival of this century’s Charles The Hammer Martel. Oh – and don’t give me your BS about the status of Arabs in Israel. I spend a fair amount of time in that country, and your “poor little me” ain’t gonna fly.
Mary Passer – please get your head out of the sand. (I’m choosing to be nice.) It’s time RIGHT NOW to have that conversation about savages vs the civilized man. It couldn’t be a better time. And if people get all riled up, that’s good. It means we’ll all start talking about the obvious. Let me remind you, NO ONE is responsible for the actions that another person takes. You are essentially saying that anyone who says something that offends you should just shut the h*ll up. Should we start condemning movies that people are “offended” by? How about if you’re “offended” at my choice of clothing? Or my friends? Or the house I live in? The car I drive? The job I have? What I like to do for fun? If you don’t like what you see or hear, then don’t look or listen. Simple as that. THAT is free speech. And it’s not just protected speech for what we like or “think” is appropriate. The message about savages vs the civilized man is right on, and it’s time appropriate for this moment in time, whether you like it or not.

Infidel Task Force
Infidel Task Force
11 years ago

Cate
Bravo!!

Studs Lonnigan
Studs Lonnigan
11 years ago

Stop murdering people. Savages.
All the little clueless liberals who live in happy land want to chime in when they don’t know the background story to these ads or what happens in the real world. Pathetic.
Here, this is for you…

Studs Lonnigan
Studs Lonnigan
11 years ago

Gates of Vienna, who monitors Islam throughout the world, has an excellent piece to help the clueless left understand Islam and why those who do understand it don’t like it one bit. read on …

Hellbat44
Hellbat44
11 years ago

TO STUDS: You wrote, ‘I’ve worked in advertising for over 30 years during which time I’ve learned a bit about communication.’ Really?! Too bad you didn’t learn a little bit about Islam (other than the taqiyya propaganda, e.g. that Islam is a religion of peace) during this same timeframe! You are the one who is ignorant and ridiculous! Then you say, “a complex and much misunderstood and misapplied (particularly by the extremists) theological concept Jihad. All Muslims subscribe to Jihad, not all interpret it to mean holy war.” Misunderstood and misapplied in what ways? You are the one who, clearly, misunderstands the Islamic term ‘jihad.” According to Islamic doctrine based on the Koran, Sira, and Hadith, it is incumbent on all muslims to wage jihad against the non-believer (kafir) wherever they may find them. Jihad is political Islam, not religious Islam and was created by Muhammad in Medina (the sixth pillar of Islam is jihad) after he and his approximately 150 followers had been thrown out of Mecca. Muhammad was a total failure in Mecca, but once he ‘immigrated’ to Median he because a politician and war lord who invented jihad. Jihad made Muhammad very successful as a brutal bloodthirsty savage. Jihad comes in many forms, there is jihad of the sword, the spoken word, and the written word. There is also financial, legal, civilizational (aka stealth jihad), birth jihad, and jihad of essentially anything that can be done against the kafir or a Western nation state that advances the totalitarian Islamic agenda of domination, subjugation, destruction, annihilation of kafir cultures, terrorism, slavery, misogyny, hate, racism, bigotry, pedophilia, and violence. Keep in mind that all muslims have the option to wage holy war at their selected time and choosing! In the meantime, all muslims in the umma (collective muslim community worldwide) are waging some level of jihad against the kafir at any given time, e.g. violent terrorism, suicide bombers, mob rioting, burning of the American flag, verbal threats of violence against America, propaganda in the information battlespace, zakat charity monies required as one of the five pillars of Islam (only goes to muslims, and much of it finances violent jihad and terrorism around the world), propaganda, taqiyya (sacred deceit against the kafir), safe houses for terrorists, and remaining silent about the more than 20,000 Islamic terrorist attacks against kafirs worldwide just since the Islamic attacks against the United States on 9/11. e.g. Silence from the umma during the savage, brutal, and bloodthirsty sodomizing, beating, and murder of the American Ambassador and three other Americans in Libya recently. “Muslim silence is sanction and tacit approval. This silence is also jihad.”
TO PAUL: You wrote, ‘ I know that the killing and the threatning that are happening these days are getting out of hand’ Really? That is an understatement Paul!!!! How do you define out of hand? Sodomizing and killing an American Ambassador and three other Americans? Muslims from Saudi Arabia attacking America on 9/11 and killing over 3,000 Americans?? Out of hand?? Or how about your ‘soldier of Allah’ Major Hasan killing American soldiers at Ft. Hood several years ago, while yelling “Allah Akbar???” Do you think that was getting out of hand?? Well Paul, did you know that there have been over 270,000,000 kafirs murdered in the name of Islam over the last 1400 years! So, jihad by muslims is not just happening “these days,” it has been happening worldwide since Muhammad created his totalitarian ideology of hatred back in the 7th Century. Moreover, as I mentioned to Studs, there have been over 20,000 kafirs killed in the name of Islam worldwide just since the savage and brutal act of jihad against America by muslims on 9/11. Hardly, just “these days,” wouldn’t you agree?? Jihad violence against the kafir is a culture of violence inherent in Islam and muslims are required wage some level of jihad…as muslims they have not choice. It is their sacred duty. Then you say, ‘ the people who are killing without a soul and you call them muslims, they DO NOT know what Islam REALLY is, god knows what’s in their mind.’ This is total taqiyya (Islamic propaganda), oh yes they do know exactly what Islam is!! Islam is not a religion of peace (so, when will there be peace according to Islam? According to Islamic doctrine there will only be peace once ALL kafirs have been converted to Islam, subdued as a dhimmi semi-slave, or killed) and muslims are not peaceful people. You know this and I know this, but what I want you to know is that your disinformation/lies, and propaganda about Islam may fool some, but does not fool me. Put into perspective, this means that there will never be peace in our world so long as there is a bloodthirsty savage muslim who is compelled by Islam to wage jihad against the kafir or the West. Yes, Allah (your tribal moon god) knows what is in their mind…jihad!!) Then you babble on some more about how, ‘In islam Allah ‘god’ has forbidden the killing of an innocent soul and you can find this in Quran, unless this “particular” person has done something to us.’ Again, this is pure taqiyya based on a half-truth! Islamic doctrine clearly states that the kafirs (non-muslims) are NOT innocent. Why? Because they do not believe that Allah is the only god in the universe and that Muhammad is the prophet. Because kafirs do not believe this, they are ‘guilty,’ and as such, have committed the first offense against Islam and muslims. Following this line of Islamic logic, it follows that all acts of jihad committed by muslims against kafirs are considered to be defensive… an act of defense. Muslims are allowed (even encouraged) to kill kafirs, according to Islam, precisely because they are NOT innocent! And finally, you state, ‘ if you read a little about Islam and know what the Quran really says, I guarentee you that Sunna’s Islam is NOT what you think it is. I really hate how now people think of things about islam which are Totally is not true.’ So, why don’t you enlighten us Paul as to what Sunna’s Islam really is!! Let me educate you Paul, the Sunna of Muhammad is based on the Islamic Sira (biography of Muhammad, 800 pages in fine print) and the Hadith (traditions of Muhammad). Together they make up the Sunna of Muhammad. Remember, that in Islam there is no ethical right and wrong, there is no Golden Rule, and there is no critical thought; there is only what is permitted and what is forbidden, based on the Sunna of Muhammad. If Muhammad did it or approved it, then it is permitted. If Muhammad did not do it or did not permit it, then it is forbidden. Obviously, Islamic values are not the same as Western values. Western values are far superior and are the reasons why the West is so advanced over any Islamic state -usually a Third World shithole surviving on Western workers and financial handouts. The Sunna of Muhammad is how all muslims should live their lives…no exceptions – he is considered to be the perfect example of how a muslim is supposed to live their lives. e.g. Muhammad has sex with little children (boys and girls), so muslim men are allowed to have sex with little children.
TO MUSLIM: Terrorism is a technique of warfare that was and is, according to the Sunna of Muhammad, an integral component of Islamic doctrine. “Strike terror into the hearts of the non-believer.” Sound familiar? Do I need to quote which sura it is found within your koran?
TO ASHA108: You stated, ‘I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion and I cherish the fact that as Americans we enjoy many rights, including free speech. But with those rights comes a moral obligation to consider the repercussions of your actions. Spouting your mouth off from the safety of our country at the expense of Americans abroad just to exercise your right to free speech is reprehensible at best. May any blood shed as a result of your thoughtlessness and utter stupidity be on your hands, lady.’ These rights of free speech that you cherish so much Asha108 are not afforded to anyone under the yoke of Islam…including muslims. Your totalitarian ideology of Islam does not allow this freedom (or any other freedoms such as the freedom of conscience.) that you will find in American culture as based on our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Islam considers all manmade laws to be pure ‘ignorance’ and would destroy them given the opportunity, and replace them with oppressive totalitarian Sharia Law (Islamic law based on Allah and Muhammad). You then stated, ‘at the expense of Americans abroad.’ Are you referring to the jihad that muslims wage against Americans, the burning of the American flags, the destruction of U.S. embassies and symbols of America abroad, muslim terrorist attacks against Americans abroad? If so, then you need to understand that you are misguided and a fool: it is the muslims who are the ones committing these violent acts of jihad, not Pamela Geller! If muslims cannot handle the truth and can’t deal with blasphemy, then it is the muslims who are responsible for jihad, not any little pretext (e.g. such as cartoons or videos of Muhammad) that causes them to get upset and wage jihad. All of the blood spilled is not on Pamela Geller’s hands; rather, it is on the hands of the bloodthirsty and savage muslims who commit the acts of jihad terror in the name of Allah and Muhammad, no matter how you try to ‘spin’ the truth otherwise. You are the one who is thoughtless and stupid, muslim.
Let me say, in support of Pamela Geller, that she is a courageous and patriotic American who is nothing short of the “Iron Lady of America.” She is defending America, primarily within the information battlespace, against the war Islam is waging against the West, America in particular. She is not only telling the truth about Islam, but waging a defensive battle for the heart and soul of America…for this she has earned my upmost respect and admiration.
If you cannot deal with what Pamela Geller has to say, or don’t like her methods, then perhaps you all need to go back to school and educate yourself about Islam (not the mainstream media, White House, liberal, muslim propaganda) because it is painfully clear that one of several things are true – you are all either ignorant and confused apologists for Islam (if you are an American you are a quisling too) and/or you are waging jihad!! At any rate, you can’t handle the truth…so get over it. Or better yet, whenever you find yourself frustrated at all the blasphemy, just go beat your four wives and all the sex slaves you are able to afford…or go burn down an American embassy and kill the ambassador (don’t forget to sodomize him first so that he really feels subdued), or get all your buddies together and form a mob riot to burn all the cars in your downtown area, or whine to the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) that you have been ‘victimized,’ or you’re frustrated about all of the Americans exercising their First Amendment rights to tell the truth about Islam – it will really make you feel better.
In closing, if you don’t like it here in America, please self-deport yourself to whatever Islamic country you immigrated from so that you can live under sharia law and not get your poor little muslim feelings hurt when you hear the truth. You will be doing us all a big favor.

Studs Lonnigan
Studs Lonnigan
11 years ago

To Hellbat44:
Um, no, I didn’t say that.

Canadianna
Canadianna
11 years ago

Hey, @Muslim! Really?? Your “beloved prophet” “invented” this religion you call islam. He picked and chose from the Jewish and Christian religions those things he liked, and then adjusted them to suit his twisted, murderous, jealous and sexually depraved mind. Seriously, grow up. And oh yes, those poor little arabs that call themselves “palestinians” were uprooted from their land . . . . WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK THESE ARABS DID TO THE JEWS FOR A MILLENNIUM AND A HALF???!!!. Stop crying already! Grow up. We’re fed up with your whining. We see the difference between what the Jew have accomplished and what the arabs have not! Get over yourselves and keep your religion to yourselves. Don’t impose it on everybody else. Maybe you’ll get more respect that way. Or maybe, just maybe, you might like to emigrate to one of those lovely countries that boast islam as their one and only religion. Yah, why don’t you do yourself that favor!

Hellbat44
Hellbat44
11 years ago

The following report was published online by Fox News:
Anti-jihad ‘savage’ ads to hit New York City’s subway system
Published September 23, 2012
Associated Press
Abdul Yasar, a New York subway rider who considers himself an observant Muslim, said Geller’s ad was insensitive in an unsettling climate for Muslims. “If you don’t want to see what happened in Libya and Egypt after the video — maybe not so strong here in America — you shouldn’t put this up,” Yasar said.
But “if this is a free country, they have the right to do this,” he said. “And then Muslims have the right to put up their own ad.”
Hellbat44 Comments to above paragraph: insensitive in an unsettling climate for Muslims!!?? Did Abdul really say this?? Why should we be ‘sensitive’ to muslims when they don’t give a damn about our sensitivities? ‘Unsettling climate for Muslims?” Seems to me that the muslims are the ones who are whining, mob rioting, threatening, burning, destroying, sodomizing, raping, beating, and killing!!! How is it that Abdul believes that the ‘climate is unsettling for muslims?’ Once again, the muslims are the ones committing the crimes and then they claim that they are the victims!!! This is their typical modus operandi. Some things never change.
The Metropolitan Transportation Authority in New York initially refused to run Geller’s ad, saying it was “demeaning.” But U.S. District Court Judge Paul Engelmayer ruled last month that it is protected speech under the First Amendment. Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, backed publication of the “patently offensive” ads.
Hellbat44 Comments to above paragraph: ‘Demeaning?! Patently offensive?!’ Comments like this, in light of what Islam is and does on a daily basis, is nothing more than “dhimmi-speak” and “apologist-speak” and indicates that the leadership at MTA has subjugated themselves under the yoke of Islam and have assumed the self-censored and subjugated roles of slaves to Islamic ideology.
“We recognize the freedom of speech issues and her right to be a bigot and a racist,” said Muneer Awad, the executive director of the New York chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
But he said he hopes elected officials and the MTA, which runs the nation’s largest mass transit system, “take on a leadership role in denouncing hate speech.”
Hellbat44 Comments to above paragraph: Spokesmuslim, Muneer Awad, for the front group of the Muslim Brotherhood here in America, characteristically smears Pamela Geller as a ‘bigot and a racist.’ No surprise here, since this is their modus operandi against anyone who stands up to Islamic stealth jihad here in America. Even if things that CAIR does not like are the truth; remember, ‘truth has become (with regards to Islam) the new hate speech.’ Moreover, I guess Muneer never got the word that Islam is not a ‘race,’ it is a violence-prone totalitarian of hatred, terrorism, misogyny, pedophilia, slavery, bigotry, racism, domination, subjugation, and the annihilation of all native Western nations that it dominates. Makes for a great sound bite, but practical terms makes absolutely no sense at all. How is it that Pamela is a ‘bigot’ for telling the truth about Islam and muslims? Muneer never really explains! Then Muneer calls what Pamela said as ‘hate speech.’ Once again, the truth has become the new hate speech. Remember, we are at war and Muneer Awad is a ‘Soldier of Allah’ waging a stealth jihad campaign against America. Muneer Awad is a bloodthirsty savage muslim who is not here to assimilate into our American culture, he is here to ensure than over time Islam dominates America. Muneer Awad is the enemy within! Islam is a wolf in sheeps clothing!
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/23/anti-jihad-avage-ads-going-up-in-new-york-city-subway/#ixzz27L9bhQxh

PorkFatRules
PorkFatRules
11 years ago

@Mary Passer
“But with those rights comes a moral obligation to consider the repercussions of your actions. Spouting your mouth off from the safety of our country at the expense of Americans abroad just to exercise your right to free speech is reprehensible at best.”
Mary, non-action has repercussions as well. Take for instance the inaction of Germans during Hitler-controlled Germany during WWII. How many Jews might have been spared death had more Germans decided to help their neighbors from the death camps?
The other issue is if Ms. Geller no longer has the safety of this country to express herself, how else is she supposed to get the word out? Ms. Geller did not create the violence that exists in the Middle East. Ms. Geller did not cause Muslims to be violent. They have done that pretty well on their own for a long, long time. One only need to read the history of Muslim violence in India to know about that.
Not all Muslims are jihadis, and not all Muslims wish us harm. That doesn’t change the fact that enough certainly do. Not to say a thing to warn and alert others about this threat to our safety, our rights, and our way of life would be a disservice to us all.

Studs Lonnigan
Studs Lonnigan
11 years ago

Not all Muslims are Jihadists but all Jihadists are Muslim. Smoke that for awhile…

Asha108
Asha108
11 years ago

@Hellbat44
I did not say any of that!
I think you have a loose screw in your brain!

Hellbat44
Hellbat44
11 years ago

To Studs: Only partially true…according to Islamic doctrine “it is incumbent on all muslims to wage jihad against the non-believer (kafir) wherever they may find them.” This means it is not optional or voluntary for a muslim to be a jihadist. They are not mutually exclusive. Given Islam’s own definition of jihad and requirement for all muslims to wage jihad, I would argue that ‘all muslims are jihadists and all jihadists are muslims.’ In your earlier post you even stated that, ‘All Muslims subscribe to Jihad, not all interpret it to mean holy war.’How would you define ‘subscribe?’ In your earlier post you stated that jihad was a theological concept. This is actually not true, jihad is not religious at all; rather, it is political Islam. The first five pillars of Islam are religious (Mecca) and the sixth pillar of Islam, that being jihad, is political (Medina) not theological. What is important is not what muslims interpret Islamic doctrine to be, but instead what Islam interprets it’s doctrine to be. Remember that Allah cannot be wrong, it is what Allah says it is, period. Islamic doctrine is not open to interpretation by anyone…unless they are using taqiyya (sacred deceit) to wage propaganda jihad against the kafir. The koran is universal, complete, perfect, and final. It is stuck in the 7th Century and cannot be updated and ‘revised.’ Holy war is only one of many forms of jihad. Propaganda is jihad. Silence of the umma to violence and terrorism committed in the name of Islam is jihad. Putting known terrorists up in a safe house is a form of jihad. The internal struggle to be a better person (meaning more like Muhammad) is a form of jihad. Demanding five prayer breaks a day by a muslim at a Western place of business is a form of jihad. Muslim taxicab drivers who refuse to transport a paying passenger because the passenger is bringing alcohol or a dog, is a form of jihad. A muslim giving money (zajat) to their local mosque in accordance with the pillar of Islam is a form of jihad because it is understood that some of that money will be funneled to financing terrorist organizations (Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda, etc.) around the world, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

simon billing
simon billing
11 years ago

Hellbat44, As I said Jihad is a complex and variously interpreted concept. The variant that has you so exercised was essentially promulgated in the 1960s by Sayyid Qutb (executed by Nasser) and in Sudan by the grandson of the Madhi as a response to the ignominious failure of the Arabs to fell Israel despite overwhelming odds in their favour. It doesn’t matter how many words and faux theology you spew into a comment box a screed is still a screed. Unfortunately your screed bears no relation to the comment I made.

Hellbat44
Hellbat44
11 years ago

This post is especially for all of you apologists, dhimmis, and quislings who like to write in and beat up Pamela Geller for standing up against Islam:
Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament
In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: “Who lost Europe ?”
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands, at the Four Seasons, New York, introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the ‘Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem’.
Dear friends;
Thank you very much for inviting me. I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world.
There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic.
We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe . This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States is the last bastion of Western civilization facing an Islamic Europe .
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .
The Europe you know is changing.
You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead with mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read them. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: “we rule”.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear ‘whore, whore’. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.
Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run from the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end
of this century.
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco
and Turkey .
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators ‘settlers’. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one,
there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam ‘the most retrograde force in the world’, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America – as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem .
Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe ’s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.
Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, please send it to every free person that you know – it is so very important.
Geert Wilders new book “Marked for Death, Islam’s War Against the West and Me” is must reading for anyone who wants to understand the truth about Islam. – Hellbat44
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Hellbat44
Hellbat44
11 years ago

This post is especially for all of you apologists, dhimmis, and quislings who like to write in and beat up Pamela Geller for standing up against Islam:
Geert Wilders is a Dutch Member of Parliament
In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: “Who lost Europe ?”
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands, at the Four Seasons, New York, introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the ‘Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem’.
Dear friends;
Thank you very much for inviting me. I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world.
There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic.
We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe . This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States is the last bastion of Western civilization facing an Islamic Europe .
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .
The Europe you know is changing.
You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.
All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead with mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read them. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: “we rule”.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.
In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear ‘whore, whore’. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.
Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run from the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.
A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end
of this century.
Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call ‘respect’. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.
The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco
and Turkey .
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators ‘settlers’. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one,
there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages – at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.
Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means ‘submission’. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam ‘the most retrograde force in the world’, and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam’s territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.
The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.
Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a ‘right-wing extremists’ or ‘racists’. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America – as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and Jerusalem .
Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe ’s children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.
We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.
Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, please send it to every free person that you know – it is so very important.
Geert Wilders new book “Marked for Death, Islam’s War Against the West and Me” is must reading for anyone who wants to understand the truth about Islam. – Hellbat44
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Choi
Choi
11 years ago

@Simon Billings:
An admitted Ad Man,you, is the last person qualified to call anybody “disengenuous”.
Think of how many “techniques” you used to sell your client’s products as “silk” when it was really crude burlap.
Pam Geller,however, is being 100% TRUTHFUL when she identifies SAVAGES as SAVAGES,
The Muslim WAR AGAINST ISRAEL’S EXISTENCE is SAVAGE.
Muslim BARBARISM is SAVAGE.
Perhaps you’re so USED to peddling BS,that you can NOT recognize the TRUTH when you see it.

Hellbat44
Hellbat44
11 years ago

Sorry Studs Lonnigan, my mistake, I meant to address my comments to Simon Billing.
So, Simon Billing, here is the post of yours that I was referring to:
Ms. Geller, I’ve worked in advertising for over 30 years during which time I’ve learned a bit about communication. You are being disingenuous. As written your ads strongly imply that anyone who does not support Israel’s actions or political positions is a savage. If the ad read Support Israel’s right to security, or Support Israel’s right to exist. You would have been on safer ground. You apply the same ridiculously broad brush to a complex and much misunderstood and misapplied (particularly by the extremists) theological concept Jihad. All Muslims subscribe to Jihad, not all interpret it to mean holy war. Again, had your ad said Defeat terrorism or even Defeat extremist Islamic terrorism you might have had a legitimate point. As it is you are being disingenuous and given your evident intellect, I would have to say deliberately slandering all muslims and all who do not support Israel’s politics at any moment in tim. Posted by: simon billing | Sunday, September 23, 2012 at 02:40 PM
With all due respect, the only section I take issue with is where you told Pamela Geller,’ You apply the same ridiculously broad brush to a complex and much misunderstood and misapplied (particularly by the extremists) theological concept Jihad. All Muslims subscribe to Jihad, not all interpret it to mean holy war.’ I have already written my comments on what you said, so there is no need to reiterate them here again.
You then went on to say,”Hellbat44, As I said Jihad is a complex and variously interpreted concept. The variant that has you so exercised was essentially promulgated in the 1960s by Sayyid Qutb (executed by Nasser) and in Sudan by the grandson of the Madhi as a response to the ignominious failure of the Arabs to fell Israel despite overwhelming odds in their favour. It doesn’t matter how many words and faux theology you spew into a comment box a screed is still a screed. Unfortunately your screed bears no relation to the comment I made.’ Posted by: simon billing | Monday, September 24, 2012 at 12:22 AM.
I disagree, jihad is not complex, it is clearly defined in Islamic doctrine. You are the one who is making it complicated. You sound like you subscribe to the misguided and incorrect concept that peaceful Islam has been hijacked by a few radicals within who have twisted and distorted the loving and peaceful religion!? Is that the case? Do you believe that Sayyid Qutb hijacked peaceful Islam in the 1960s? I do not, I know better. There is no ‘variant’ that has me exercised at all. Jihad is jihad, has been, and always will be based Islamic doctrine as written in the Koran, the Sira, and the Hadith – not by the writing of Sayyid Qutb in his book ‘Milestones.” If you believe that it has been hijacked, then tell that to the approximately 270,000,000 kafirs murdered in the name of Allah over the last 1400 years before the 1960s. Listening you, one would believe that this ‘variant’ of jihad suddenly appeared and was promulgated only in the 1960s by Sayyid Qutb! I suppose, using your own logic, that prior to the 1960s that Islam was truly a religion of peace!? Tell that to the Zorastrians, Hindus, Coptic Christians, Christians, Jews, the Armenians, and the Buddhists who have born the brunt of annihilation by jihad and who’s remaining ancestors are still being persecuted around the world as we speak. If you want to be small and attack Pamela Geller by splitting hairs about her choice of words, that is your business, but keep in mind that her honorable intent is to speak out against the Islamic threat facing our great nation and the rest of the Western world. You seem to believe that the ‘extremists’ are the ones who have misunderstood and misapplied the concept of jihad. You are sadly wrong on this point as anyone who has studied Islam knows that Islam, by its very nature, is extreme. There is nothing moderate about Islam. Your so-called ‘extremists’ are manifesting exactly what Muhammad would have done…they are waging a violent form of jihad against the kafir. Smoke that for a while…

Redneck Woman
Redneck Woman
11 years ago

Mary….
The only people responsible for the rioting are the ones doing the rioting! no person who has voiced their opinions of Moohammhead, or made a movie about him that wouldn’t get a “C” grade, or made a cartoon about him…are responsible for the infantile and savage behavior that is displayed by the folks rioting!
Many movies, opinions and cartoons have been made about Jews and Christians that are deemed offensive by the followers of those religions but do you see them killing, rioting, vandalizing anyone or anything because of it? The answer is a very loud NO! Why? Because we do not seek for others to adhere to our beliefs….we believe in free speech and freedom to live as a free people.
Islam does not believe in freedom….only slavery and subjugation! As a woman you should be very concerned about Islam!

Muslim
Muslim
11 years ago

@Studs Lonnigan
So well first of all I’m talking to you with respect, so i’m kindly asking you to reply with respect, another thing, Do you REALLY know anything about Muhammed? like not from your own thoughts and from the thoughts of Islam haters? did you know how much he respected Christians and Jews at his days? even there is a “Hadeeth” from some of the people who were companying Muhammed about him Respecting a Jew, it was at a Jews funeral and Muhammed was passing by and just stood there respectfully, the people wondered why? and even asked him and he said every soul is very precious (and it is no matter what religion that person believed in) so I respectfully tell you that don’t say things that ARENT true about him if you know little about him.
@Mackie
well from what I see, I can say that,( and you might agree with me) that most of them had been brain washed, its not something that only exist in Islam but in many places in this world, if you believed of something for years and even your parents believed in this thing, it would be hard to change that thoughts right? Humans are known to be stubborn and do what ever they can to proof whats coming to them as wrong. and believe me we are doing what we can to fight this as People, not as leaders. and we always say the “Terrorism has no Religion”. and just to let you know even terrorists try to kill Muslims and in Islam it’s of course forbidden unless you have the right.
@Studs Lonnigan
“Strike terror into the hearts of the non-believer.” Well first of all I’m not gonna say its wrongs, but I think what you understand from this is WRONG, in Quran every Aya had a deep meaning that needs understanding not just reading, Allah has requested from Muhammed that he first “And argue with them in a way that is better” then another request to Muhammed is “when non-muslims request/accepted peace, then accept it and show peace to them”, BUT ” if they started War on you, then you also have to defend yourself and go to War”. for “Strike terror into the hearts of the non-believer.” that was from Allah NOT Muhammed, it was when there was a War during Muhammed’s time and Allah requested to go to War, and Allah has promised Muhammed that HE will Strike terror into the heart of the non-believer during that War. so as I said Please know what is the true meaning of that AYA before including it in the discussion.
Also Please Before you talk anything about our Prophet Muhammed, just watch one of these Videos to know who He Really is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0qqxRRBdAA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unh5XfRWxo8&feature=related

Laminin Cross
Laminin Cross
11 years ago

Pam, if you keep this up I’m gonna have to send you another donation.
Love the new ad! They won’t find a “disclaimer” that will work with that one.

islam is for killers
islam is for killers
11 years ago

@Muslim
you asked, “Do you REALLY know anything about Muhammed?”
You are asking people who really DO know the truth about that pedophile, murdering, racist, lying, illiterate son of a rabid pig; because we have actually done the research and have read YOUR filthy books about that demon possessed maniac. We have not undergone the brainwashing that you obviously have in the hate-filled mosques and madrassas where they scream for the death of anybody who would question islam or the criminal muhammad (pig’s blood upon him).
You don’t stand a chance with islam. It is the religion of the devil. You had better get out while you still can. The 72 virgins story is pure bullshit.
Muhammad drinks urine, read it for yourself. Muhammad has sexual intercourse with a nine year old girl, read it for yourself. We don’t put up with that kind of criminal behavior here, and we never will.
We’ve read your quran, why don’t you read our Bible or the Torah? See which one sounds more like the truth? Then maybe we can all be friends and stop fighting, eh? Give up the jihad for peace, won’t you now? I bet you will, you sound like a swell guy muslim.

Muslim
Muslim
11 years ago

@islam is for killers
okay okay have you SEEN the video first before talking?
its from people who ARENT Muslims FROM America and some teach at American Universities, and have also STUDIED about Muhammed and did they say one of the filthy disrespectful things you’ve said? are you saying that your more knowledgeable than Professors who actually researched about him?
and who said I don’t wanna be friend, what I seriously want in this world is PEACE and I HAVE many non-muslim Friends in my country and in America and we’re living in peace!
and to be honest won’t you think that if that movie wasn’t made NOW we aren’t supposed to be arguing? I know you call it freedom of speech or whatever and we know that Muhammed means nothing to you but can’t you be more respectful and respect that he’s important to US?

Asha108
Asha108
11 years ago

@ Muslim,
Blog off! Draw a line across the sand. Do you support Jihad, Sharia, death and deception to non-muslims? A simple yes or no. Silence means complicity and means yes.
Pamela has the guts to call a savage a savage.

calvin
calvin
11 years ago

dear pamala
i am glad you are in the fight for the survivele of freedom and isrial. about the woman who was uncomfortable getting on a buss with a sign on it about terrorists being savages this (her statement ) is insanity. i am a homeless disabled man who is uncomfortable getting on a buss with a potential terrorist (muslam). i would be much more comfortable moving around my world without muslams in it. when muslams arrest the terrorists using there religion as a shield for there savagery then will i consider 9 11 as a act of radicals until then i will look at all muslams as potential savage terrorists.
blessings and shalom

Cate
Cate
11 years ago

Muslim – As I noted previously, if you are an alleged “moderate” Muslim, then it is incumbent upon you to STAND UP and DEMAND a complete overhaul to your violent ideology, and DEMAND an end to the violence done by your murdering, terrorist counterparts. The fact of the matter is, ISLAMIC terrorists and radicals are just doing what the Quran says you need to do. There’s no doubt about it. And frankly, if you’re not doing the same, you are considered just as bad as any non-Muslim! Do yourself a favor. Call a SAVAGE a SAVAGE!!! Start a movement with yourself and other “moderate” Muslims. Let it go viral. Put a STOP to this BS that has been going on for 1400 years!!! If you want respect, then make a stand, and say NO MORE to the violence!!! And if you don’t, your silence = complicity. And that means you and every other Muslim are complicit in mass murder and all the other savage behavior that is done by your terrorist/radicalized counterparts in the name of your “god” and “prophet.”

Cate
Cate
11 years ago

calvin – thank you for your comments! It’s nice to hear from others like yourself, who feel that Muslims are making you uncomfortable. It means that Muslims truly need to stand up, en-masse, and overhaul their ideology. Until that happens, people will never trust them, and will never accept them – and rightly so.

Cate
Cate
11 years ago

Candianna – Your comments about what the Jews have accomplished in Israel is really right on. It’s amazing overlooking the border between Israel and Lebanon from kibbutz, Misgav Am, and seeing the difference. The Israeli side is green with vegetation and life. From that vantage point, the village/town on the other side of the Lebanese border, El Addiseh, looks like a dusty ghost town. There are no windows in those homes. No cars, no people on the streets, no children, no pets, nothing. And if you overlook Lebanon to the west of that town, there’s nothing but sand and dust.
Soooo many things are grown in Israel! And the economy and industry of that country is amazing – doing much better than most places around the world. Frankly, they are doing better than the US, too. And the newest thing happening there? Turns out the area is RICH with oil. Several of our large oil companies in the US have worked out contracts with that country to do active drilling off their coast. I look forward to becoming fully independent from all Arab oil. I want to see, in my lifetime, no more Arab oil. Let those countries be forced to drink their oil.

Kufar Dawg
Kufar Dawg
11 years ago

@simon billing
Your crap about the mis-understood concept of jihad is only too clear
to the non-muslimes being persecuted, raped, murdered and enslaved
by muslo-nazis all over the world and in every last one of your islamonazi
pigsties. ESAD.

Patti
Patti
11 years ago

Simon is deceived. Typical. Keep believing the propagandized version of islam. That is what cowards do. Information provided by Pamela on this subject is indisputably factual. She does not alter the truth for a reason. We all need to hear it and know it. It takes the kind of strength that very few people have ,to even look at this directly head on. Because you Simon, do not posess such strength, does not change the ugly truth of the matter. Grow a set, grow some skin, grow several layers of skin. This truth does not just go away because YOU Simon,are too chicken to look it in the eye.

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