A New Twist in Obama Birth Certificate Mystery

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Atlas broke the story of the forgery of Obama's COLB (certification of live birth), a story I covered beginning in May early June 2008. I never pretended to know what was on the vault copy that Obama spent millions to hide; I just ran the irrefutable analysis that what Obama presented to the American people was a "horrible forgery."

We could speculate. Maybe it was the name of his father. His religion. His place of birth. Maybe, maybe, maybe. All speculation.

What was most egregious was the propaganda O-media refusing to ask these questions while running with any lie about Bush's documentation. The enemedia went so far as to produce forged documents concerning President Bush's Air National Guard service (Rathergate). Imagine that — the media's mad obsession with the minutiae of every detail of every document of Bush's life (even the most mundane), but not one mainstream query as to why the good folks of America were forbidden from viewing Obama's birth certificate long form. Astonishing.

There is clearly something on that form that Obama does not want the American people to see. Period. Pbama must present if he is to run for re-election, should he now?

I last wrote of the birth certificate issue in my former column at Newsmax, "The Certificate Circus." Here is an excerpt:

Obama ran a low-resolution COLB on his own site FighttheSmears.com, which has now been taken down and the archives scrubbed. It was at that time that a digital forensic examination specialist contacted me. For professional and personal reasons he wanted to remain anonymous, but I know who he is and vetted him. “Techdude’s” credentials? He is an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, the American College of Forensic Examiners, the International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, the International Information Systems Forensics Association — the list goes on.

He is also board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then. He told me that Obama’s COLB was a “horrible forgery.” I advised “Techdude” that I was ill-equipped to make such a determination, and he offered to submit to me a detailed forensic examination analysis — which he ultimately did.

When I broke the story and presented his very extensive and meticulously documented analysis, we welcomed peer review. Nobody stood up. Nobody would touch it. To their credit, the supporters of Hillary Clinton (the “PUMA” bloggers) did much to investigate and advance the story. And while the Obama Chicago attack machine and left-wing smear merchants went into full swing, the mainstream activist media would not touch the story. Not once.

I never proposed that any of the various scenarios being put forth were absolutely correct. I said at the time, “Do I believe Obama was born in Hawaii? Probably. Is there something on Obama's birth certificate he does not want us to see? Foe shizzle. Should a president of the United States have to present his vault copy to take office? Absolutely.”

I said that forensically, the COLB Obama had presented was an altered document. And I stand by that to this day. A release of the vault copy would have put this baby to bed a year ago. Instead, Obama and his operatives added fuel to the fire by not only not releasing the vault copy, but by spending upwards of a million dollars on five law firms to fight its release.

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In what could be considered a psyop on the American people, the birth certificate issue is being used to smear the Republicans in general as “birthers,” conspiracy nuts who have given themselves over to right-wing nuttery. Any mention of this issue inspires in many the same revulsion as being diagnosed with the clap did in the ‘50s. And the arrogance and fear on the right of being tainted by this issue has created such dissension and infighting that we’re eating our young — and the left is positively giddy.

We, the American people, are not the enemy here, we are not the guilty party. The media should stop blaming the victim. Remember: conservatives are not responsible for the birth certificate issue at all. Obama is, by refusing to this day to release the vault copy — whether because it contains something damaging or simply because it enables him to wield the weapon of ridicule against the right. At this point, the effect is the same regardless of which of those possibilities is true. This carnival of conspiracy has become a deliberate distraction from the real issues and the real destruction being wrought by the Obama administration.

The longer the Obama camp lets this issue fester and grow, the more it divides the country. And at the end of the day, anyone who questioned the birth certificate is going to look nuts, and any subsequent challenge from the right on any legitimate issue will be dismissed as a recrudescence of “birtherism,” and more of the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

What trickery! What a nasty game to play on the electorate that put him in office. Are the American people so contemptible as to be deserving of such treatment? Has the focus on the birth certificate taken our eye off the ball on questions pertaining to the source of his funding for Harvard (i.e., foreign aid, foreign student loan applications) and the passport on which he traveled to Pakistan in 1981? Let’s just say hypothetically that Obama satisfied the birth certificate questions and the American people wanted info on his Pakistan trip — i.e., what passport he traveled, on or the source of funding for his Harvard education, his ties to Khalid al-Mansour, etc. Those raising such concerns would have no case. They would be discredited before they even started.

Let’s not cloud the issue. Obama’s COLB was altered. He should produce the vault copy. Then the opposition can get on with the business of stopping his destruction of the economy and his weakening of American hegemony as he pursues his disastrous foreign policy.

Today, Hillbuzz has a very simple and plausible answer to Obama's inexpicable mysterious secrecy. I am not saying it is so — because we can't know until Obama releases his long form. But this makes a great deal of sense.

Here’s an interesting Ground Report from Hawaii that contains an ingenious theory about Hawaiian Governor Neil Abercrombie’s bizarre backtrack on releasing Obama’s birth certificate.

Remember, Abercrombie promised that once he was elected Governor he would prove Obama’s birth certificate existed because he would march down to the Hall of Records and demand its production from the archives…and he would then hold it aloft in the gentle Hawaiian breeze, high above his balding pate, for all the world to see, thereby producing the document Obama has spent millions to keep hidden.

Well, after he was elected, Abercrombie strangely acknowledged no original birth certificate could be found for Obama in Hawaii, but that there were “handwritten notes” that he was born on the island of Oahu in 1961.  Abercrombie did not claim he saw the actual birth certificate.

But, now he’s claiming it’s illegal to produce the birth certificate even if he did find it, because Obama refuses to let the public see this document.

None of this makes any sense until you read the Ground Report below, and get a new take on what’s going on in Hawaii regarding the single greatest current mystery of the 21st Century (“Why Won’t Obama Just Release His Birth Certificate?”…which is also a question the lamestream national media refuses to ask):

Dear HillBuzz,

Regarding the whole Obama birth certificate controversy, I believe Hawaii has a big problem.

Recently, when asked about the subject, newly-minted Speaker of the House John Boehner replied “The State of Hawaii says he was born there and that’s good enough for me.” His reply was brilliant.

It reminded everyone that it’s not the Speaker’s job to sort out the mess (it should have been addressed by the Dems, the election officials, and the media during the campaign), but it also, clearly, put the onus on the State of Hawaii. Around the same time Neil Abercrombie, the new governor of Hawaii, waded into the mess wanting to clear everything up for the president. Instead, he has only added to the confusion by admitting there doesn’t seem to be a birth certificate only a handwritten notation in the archives. (Which could quite possibly have been generated by Obama’s grandparents as a way to register the birth if Obama was born somewhere else.)

Personally, I believe the governor is an intelligent well-intentioned man who acted without thinking it through. Rush Limbaugh believes there may be some angle to what the governor did. If there is, then I believe it was a “cover your papakole” move on the part of the governor. He doesn’t want to be the one left holding the blame when, finally, the American public says “Enough! Just show the damn birth certificate already!”.

He can honestly claim the deception and obstruction happened before he took office and when he tried to find the truth he was told he didn’t have legal access to the birth records. So he’s off the hook, but the incumbent state officials may not get off so easily. Lastly, there is information on several blogs about a court case that may have been filed in New York State Court called Strunk v. Paterson. I’ve heard that a state judge recently ruled — based on evidence — that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. The court documents go into all of the birth certificate topics, including the Indonesian adoption.

The fact that Obama was adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s, and his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro at that time, is most likely the reason he is spending millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate. He never filed the papers to change his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, so any birth certificate produced by the state of Hawaii would list him as “Barry Soetoro”.

It’s easy to see why he never wants this to come to light.  Aside from the legal ramifications of this, how would the American people feel about Obama lying to them about his NAME all this time? And if he lied about something as simple as that, what else has he lied about?  It would open a whole host of new questions for most people about this man of deliberate mystery.

Just wondered if you knew anything about any of this. I find the court documents hard to read and I have no way of checking their authenticity. People need to stop claiming Obama was not born in Hawaii and start focusing on that adoption name change.  That’s probably what Neil Abercrombie ultimately encountered that’s made him backtrack on all this.

Think about it:  when the adoption went through, the law required Obama’s birth certificate to be changed to reflect his new name, which became, and remains, Barry Soetoro.  So if Abercrombie went looking for anything in the Hall of Records with “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” on it, he wouldn’t find anything besides those scribbled, handwritten notations in the archives (since those would not have been changed with the adoption, as who would have thought to do that?).  The actual birth certificate says “Barry Soetoro” on it.

That’s why Abercrombie couldn’t locate it.

And why Obama won’t release it.

Mystery solved.

Tag in Kaanapali, Maui

I honestly and truly believe this solves the entire mystery.

It is seriously this straightforward.

* Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961

* Obama was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s

* Obama’s name was indeed changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s

* Obama’s birth certificate was altered per Hawaiian law to reflect his new name in the 1970s

* Obama never changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” — most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia

* All the records, transcripts, documents, and paperwork Obama continues to hide from the public is all hidden because it lists his name as “Barry Soetoro” on all of it.

* Obama will not allow his birth certificate to be released because it lists the “wrong” name on it:  Barry Soetoro

It is as simple as this, folks.

UPDATE: Good analysis from PP:

As you know I also say we can't know until it is produced just what is the reasoning for all this trouble surrounding it.

But my viewpoint has never been originated from the 'birther' perspective but more from that of a strict constructionist of our constitution.

We have a requirement that a President be certified to be a 'natural born citizen' to serve in the office.  It is not a major burden to supply documentation to prove such eligibility.

Now some perspective on where there are issues here.

Obama mentions in his books the existence of a physical long form,leaving the current Governor position in Hawaii troubling, since he mentions reading it and even cites his birth weight which is only contained on a long form of the birth records.

To place this all in time Obama was already running for office of State Senator when his mother passed.  Even if there were something 'odd' in his long form which he may have seen when going through her effects after her death it could have raised issues that would not be easy to explain in the context of an already underway State Senator campaign.

If either his father was not listed as who he claims or his name was different due to adoption or even both items then it would have taken some major damage control work for his campaign at the time to go forward.  The history of the Kenya story was already well established by this time and to have to alter it in any way would have been troubling to say the least.

Now to the election for President cycle.  When the Electoral College meets the Speaker of the House provides certification of the eligibility of the candidates for the office.  It is my understanding that Pelosi certified two different documents to the Electoral College as to this being done and from the reports I read those certifications are in conflict with each other.  I have not been able to access the actual documents so I can not judge if this is valid or if there are even two such certifications.

In any event it is questionable how Pelosi could do any certification at all without having been presented the long form of the birth certificate.  You have to understand the many varied parts of the Hawaiian laws on what a COLB is and how it can be legally altered or changed without any audit trail of changes.

In fact the Hawaiian law allows a COLB to be made up out of whole cloth to support such programs as a Federal or State Witness Protection Program.  The COLB is allowed however such actions for a long form birth certificate are not.

There are all sorts of odd situation in the laws of Hawaii for cases of birth to midwives and early births out of hospital care as in the birth in a taxi on the way to the hospital situation.

In summary my position is and has always been that the Constitution requires proof of natural birth and to date that proof has not been provided by President Obama to meet that requirement.  Nothing more and nothing less.

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  • http://bytheearlylight.blogspot.com/ Early Light

    Interesting. The way to proceed would be to try to disprove this theory, and if repeated attempts in various ways fail to disprove it, the theory gains credibility. It is certainly short, uncomplicated, and elegant – hallmarks of a sound explanation.

  • http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com john jay

    pamela:
    i do not believe that he was born in hawaii, and i do not believe that there is a birth certificate to that effect registered in hawaii.
    a birth certificate is a document filled out and signed by the physician attending at the birth, and will have little foot and finger prints attached to it, and it is attested to by the attending physician and a witness over his signature.
    the “documents,” forged or otherwise submitted thus far to the american people have only a “compilation” of some information supplied by the hawaiin dept. of vital statistics/registrar of vital statistic, and are not a proper attestation of live birth.
    john jay
    milton freewater, oregon usa

  • gullah

    There is speculation that his mentor frank marshll Davis might be his real father. There was an article on the website Outraged Patriots the day after the election on it. Go to their archives and look at Nov. 5, 2008. I think that was the date. It was the day after the presidential election. He looks just like Davis.

  • Chicago Jedi

    I don’t buy it. It is plausible but it doesn’t explain the great lengths Obama has gone to in an effort to hide every shred of his past. The fact that he never changed his name back will not be a huge political hit. Not with some mild spin and the MSM carrying his water. I don’t think anything dealing with his name, race, religion, or Father’s identity would be a huge negative for him. None of those would make him an illegitimate President and anyone who would care already dislikes him. No, the actions of Obama point to something big that is hidden.
    And even if it does show his name as Barry Soetero it lends more credence to him not being a citizen. It makes it more likely that he used an Indonesian passport to enter Pakistan in the 80′s when it would have been illegal for an American. It makes it more likely that he attended school as a foreign student. After all, if he was unwilling to renounce his Indonesian name it is likely he didn’t renounce his Indonesian citizenship. And that would make him ineligible for the presidency.
    In the end it does not matter if this theory holds more weight than others. Every document from Obama’s life should be immediately released. Until he does that he is an illegitimate President.

  • George McCallum

    Why would they change his name on his birth certificate simply because he was adopted? Is that standard procedure?

  • George Sprankle

    I think if people across this nation would phone, email, and send letters to their local state congress people demanding that a person who runs for the office of president must prove himself to be a ‘natural born citizen’ before he coulsd be placed on their states ballot would bring this issue to a screeching halt! In most states, the Secretary of State, as part of his job, certifies election results.
    This action by the states would either force OBama to present proof, or not be included in the list of candidates.

  • Al

    I don’t think it matters where he was born.
    Their main ploy, seems to me, is like:
    –the border issue (rampant illegal immigration, few if any deportations, etc., arresting border patrol agents for doing their job, allowing all sorts of smuggling to freely cross the border–including terrorists and their supplies)
    –and the TSA (DEhumanize people, insult them, threaten them, unlawful/unconstitutional “search and seizure,” making people fearful for their most basic decency & privacy, even of children being molested, delay them, intimidate then, make them choose not to travel by air if they do not want to subject themselves to such, etc.)
    –the point is he sits in the white house AS president and (mis-)represents (embarrasses) America all over the world. (The big deal is in that America sat down on this one. NO ONE demanded he prove his eligibility. You can’t even cash a check if your identity is in question. A third generation American can not legally get a driver’s license, public aid, etc. with their birth certificate, or some ID that necessitated the showing of one.)
    Didn’t you ever watch an old movie? The story is always the same. When the whole town backs down and lets the bad guy rule at will, doing as he pleases, nothing will stop him, unless a new man, a hero, rides into town.
    Any heroes left in the world?
    I hope each person will do his/her part, at least voting, speaking up, holding our elected officials to account (e.g., WHY congress did not demand proof of his NATURAL BORN status, BEFORE he could even RUN for president, as their were questions and doubts as to where he was born.), and whoever else had the authority to enforce this constitutional mandate. THIS is NOTHING NEW. The burden of proof was on him, and he could choose not to provide the evidence, and step down from the race, but NOT run without proving himself eligible. He was the perfect candidate to do this with, as any time anyone says anything, they play the race card, and most people run scared. Truth is he is selling ALL of us down the river. HE is not even the one in charge, at all. He is the puppet of the higher ups, just a sham dictator.
    All these things, and more are carefully calculated steps to turn Americans into SHEEPLE!
    I am hearing a lot of baaaaaaing!
    He is not my choice of shepherd.

  • Richard 2

    I don’t know where Obama was born, but I am another one who thinks he didn’t give up his Indonesian citizenship, I think that if his collage records were released they would show he received aid as an Indonesian student. Since Indonesia doesn’t recognize dual citizenship his having and Indonesian passport to prove his nationality would mean he would have had to renounce his American citizenship.

  • http://nygoe.wordpress.com/ Dan Maloney

    If anyone is interested, I have a report up about an event in Hawaii in 1980 where a Marine recalls meeting someone who might have been Barack Obama.
    http://nygoe.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/barack-obama-sighting-hawaii-1980-revised/

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    Nothing I post appears. Testing again.

  • Robert

    As Abercrombie seems to have discovered, a hospital long form birth certificate may not exist. Hawaii’s statutes were/are relatively loose, allowing other ways to obtain a COLB. There is even a legal provision for a child not born in Hawaii (338-17.8) to obtain a Hawaiian COLB.
    http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM
    Tim Allen, former Senior Elections Clerk in Hawaii during the 2008 election campaign, has stated that it is an open secret that a long form hospital birth certificate for Obama doesn’t exist. “There is no birth certificate” he claims and “without a shadow of a doubt, [Obama] was not born in Hawaii”.
    If you consider that Obama currently uses a Social Security Number issued in the State of Connecticut (presently verifiable on the Selective Service website), with one of three birth dates associated being 1890, that would tend also to support the lack of a long form hospital birth certificate from the U.S.
    The birth certificate is a fascinating study, but to a great degree a distraction I believe. Because if you also study the origins of the term “Natural Born Citizen”, the requirement goes to the security of a nation, that there not be any foreign allegiance or influence allowed to infiltrate the office of President and Commander in Chief. There is considerable evidence that the framers understood this to be a person born on U.S. soil of CITIZEN PARENTS. If Obama is to be believed that his father is Obama, Sr., a foreign national, then by the definition previously affirmed in several SCOTUS cases, Obama would ineligible.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    this is not a test

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    Funny, I can only post testing messages, and not my real messages!

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    By direct implication of his own admissions, Obama is not “natural-born” in the sense intended in the Constitution. That is enough.
    But obviously there is something very damaging he wants to keep hidden on his birth certificate.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    That said, I cannot give any credence to at all to Techdude, since he said anyone could reproduce his results showing “Maya” on the COLB, and no one has.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    I can only post my message a few sentences at a time. This is very odd–anyone know how to fix this?

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    I am willing to change my mind. Someone, anyone, try to reproduce the Techdude “Maya” results, and post the images.

  • Deb Miller

    I really think he was adopted by the step-father! There was also the story of an adopted sister who
    died in Indonesia (MSM does not talk about) last year and BO shared a bed with. I feel BO
    was acting out because of new sister and was shipped back to Hawaii because of behavior problems.
    Upon his return the grandparents paid for a visit from BO Sr. Was this visit to skirt around the
    adoption and get him into school?? Both parents signed to get him into the school and BO Sr
    was always happy to take money from other people?? This way the adoption was never addressed.

  • scrubjay

    The Republicans in the House should investigate the birth certificate issue. If Pelosi certified two different documents to the Electoral College and if they are not genuine then she could be held criminally responsible for her actions.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jacksontimbers Indigo Red

    The Constitution only says in this regard the candidate must be a natural born citizen, nothing is said about proof. Since that responsibility was not directly given the Feds, the responsibility devolved upon the several states. The assumption was always the proof would be supplied by the various states, and those states would invest the individual Secs of State to do the validating. Therein lies the problem – no state ever established rules for validation and left verification to political party officials. The verification hole needs to be closed at the State level and not leave it to party people.

  • AuntieMadder’sLithium

    Glad to see that crazy doesn’t take a break just because it’s Sunday.

  • NICKinNOVA

    If you believe President Obama wasn’t born in this country then take a deep breathe, go look in the mirror and realize that what you are looking at is a gullible moron who is hell bent on finding any reason to discredit the President. Enjoy living stupid.

  • PSLJIM

    Obama is flat out not eligible. If he was eligible there would have been no need to alter the Certificate of Nominations as explaind here: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html We had better get this straightened out before the country is totally ruined. Nancy P, the DNC the State of Hawaii the DPH are in deep way over there heads. This will absolutely unravel. Just a matter of time.

  • PSLJIM

    There is only one reason to discredit the POTUS. He is flat out not eligible. Otherwise, there would have no need to alter the Certificate of Nominations as explained here: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html The documents here are not forgeries.
    Unraveling slowly but surely.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/azygos Azygos

    Our state passed a law requiring the President must prove he is an eligible citizen to run for the office. If not he cannot be put on the ballot here.
    And what is so crazy about asking someone to prove who they are. I had to go down to my professional licensing board, wait almost 8 hours to show them my passport proving I am an American Citizen. If lowly little me has to do this why not the President? Crazy is accepting anything this Liar In Chief says.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/rozchatt Jamadagnii

    I think you are on to something here. It’s not so much that his name was changed, that’s not a big deal. There is probably some technicality that involves money that he got based on being Indonesian, not American, even though he really didn’t intend to give up American citizenship.
    I was secretly hoping that this was about him being the love child of Malcolm X. That would have been a great back story.

  • Terry Bell

    So if Barry Soetoro ran for public office using another name IE: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., would this be identity theft?
    would the election be valid?
    or would those votes for Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. be invalid because there is no such person?
    Or is there another Barack Hussein Obama, Jr somewhere in the wings waiting to kick this “impostor”, Barry Soetoro, out of office, and take the presidency?
    Or………
    Just who is this Barry Soetoro and what did he do with Barack Hussein Obama, Jr?
    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to decieve.” unknown

  • jimmmmybrady

    No,the ORIGINAL Certificate would have the ORIGINAL name.Stanley Anne hadn’t even met Lolo at that point.There is another explanation.Unfortunately our politicians are wimps.

  • I_Slam_Islam

    If Obama’s real name is in fact Soetoro does that mean his marriage is invalid and his children are illegitimate?

  • sDee

    Here we go again.
    During the campaign and in his books Obama himself admits to being born to a citizen of Kenya, making Barry and his father subjects of Great Britain.
    This makes him illegible by the intent, letter, and precedent of the US Constitution.
    If the Courts, the Congress, the DOJ and the District of Columbia all remain complicit in refusing to acknowledgment this glaring danger, what difference will anything in any birth certificate make.
    Quo Warrento Barry?

  • Chuck

    “Atlas broke the story of the forgery of Obama’s COLB (certification of live birth), a story I covered beginning in May 2008.”
    Are you sure about that date? Because the earliest post I see about Obama’s birth certificate is from June 10, 2008:
    http://pamelageller.com/release-obamas

  • Mike

    Chuck? THE Chuck? Reading and linking to Pam I see. The real question is why is asking for this document worthy of such scorn and ridicule? I personally think if the man’s mother was a citizen, and she was, it doesn’t really matter where she was when he was born. He would be a citizen. The whole thing is a charade.

  • PSLJIM

    Maybe a citizen but not a natural born citizen. Huge difference.

  • fabricius

    Types of citizen:
    Naturalized citizen – Not born here, no parent here, worked thru the legal system to join us
    Citizen – born here, or parent here
    Natural born citizen – Born here of two citizen parents. No foreign influence. Purest flavor.
    Rather simple, really. Obama could never be a natural born citizen. He is the reason that the restriction exists, and is living proof of the wisdom of it.

  • tfb

    Correct, all he is is an HRS 338-17.8 foreign born, this is a law which allows foreigners to lay claim to a Hawaiian birth, this is why Abercrombie only has BHO’s name on a registry. All one needs is maybe a utility bill or a statement that a parent of someone (they can claim it themselves even as an adult) lived in Hawaii the year prior to “a” birthdate.
    Hawaii uses HRS 338-17.8 to bloat its welfare and representative roles artificially but separates these certificates from actual births in their files, but conflates them for the use and benefit of the fraudsters.
    And here’s why Article II defines a natural born Citizen;
    The grandfather clause allowed ‘citizens’ to be president if alive at ratification in 1787.
    There were no oath naturalized ‘citizen’ until 1790.
    So all grandfather clause ‘citizens’ were all birthright or naturalized-at-birth ‘citizens’.
    and
    Article II separates “Citizen” from “Natural Born Citizen” by use of the legal term OR.
    Therefore a “Citizen” is legally dissimilar from a “Natural Born Citizen”.
    Since “Citizen” means at least one first generation tie by blood or soil — since they could not have been oath naturalized –
    THE ONLY POSSIBLE DEFINITION BY LAW OR LOGIC FOR NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS THE REMAINING ONE
    and that is jus soli jus sanguinis both parents, i.e. a person with zero first generation ties by blood or soil to a foreign nation.
    It’s all right there in the Constitution, and even modern law…
    If you are a US Code 1401 statutory naturalized by oath or naturalized-at-birth US Citizen you cannot be president.
    Notice the one and only omitted permutation from US Code 1401 for parentage and birth place is????….. drumroll….
    2 US citizen parents born on US soil
    Why you ask? Because as Minor v. Happersett holds, no 14th amendment statutory US Citizen can ever be a natural born Citizen.

  • tfb

    But all the fraud makes him still guilty of high crimes and treason.

  • tfb

    I agree, if it was a simple Soetoro issue he’d have figured a retroactive way to say something like that he started the name change process, but…people would forgive and on we go…
    I don’t think Abercrombie and the HI crew want the treason firing squad. Pelosi is psycho, she thinks the law can never, ever touch her.

  • tfb

    Remember Abercrombie is on record saying there is no birth certificate…just a notation.
    That fits in with the bloat-law HRS 338-17.8. Hawaii is none too proud of their fraud bloat-the-rolls-law, it really constitutes theft and criminality to do this. Hawaii is corrupt to its core too.

  • tfb

    Oh, ya…see great minds think alike! I totally agree.
    The definition of NBC MUST BE SET IN STONE, it’s already there by using simple logic (see above) but that has been taboo.
    It’s already embedded into US code 1401, the 14th amendment, has already been ruled on in Minor and Wong, and embedded in to Article II.
    But you know the big thing is that since Abercrombie admits there’s no birth certificate, this means OBAMA FAILED THE 20TH AMENDMENT
    HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN QUALIFIED AS REQUIRED BY THE 20TH AND THERE FORE HE IS NOT PRESIDENT AT ALL
    read it, it’s right there

  • tfb

    It’s really major overkill what techdude did because
    1. Camp Obama has posted FOUR versions of the COLB
    2. The one with a seal proves that seal is a forgery since it doesn’t even match Hawaii’s official seal.
    See, it’s all garbage, it’s nothing but campaign artwork and Hawaii has refused to ever verify the COLB.

  • tfb

    A constituent called her office and asked her rep which documents she used and the rep screamed over the phone “he’s not going anywhere! get a goddamn life” and phone-slammed. THAT is the attitude of Pelosi et al about this.

  • tfb

    No, not true, the 20th amendment requires the proof via qualification of president elects, and if not done, they are not president.
    Now that Abercrombie admits there was never any birth certificate, Obama fails the 20th and istherefore NOT president.

  • tfb

    ^flat earther fraudster obat

  • tfb

    absolutely, and nickinnova use of allinsky#5 is zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • tfb

    NJ and AZ both had such laws but neither were enforced; when Donofrio sued the SoS in NJ his case was dismissed.
    The courts are utterly corrupt.

  • tfb

    Yes, the obats conflate the two (citizen and natural born citizen) because they know he’s ineligible, as are all statutory or naturalized (by oath or at birth) US Code 1401 US Citizens. None can be president. That’s why NBCs are not on the list by term or definition.
    Sometimes they get all fruity creative, like saying he’s a “naturalized natural native born natural born American thingy”….lol
    sad

  • tfb

    yes,
    there’s 2 types of citizens
    1. Naturalized (by birth or by oath, i.e. all US Code 1401). ALL have at least one first generation tie by blood or soil to a foreign nation.
    and
    1. Natural Born Citizens. NONE have any first generation tie by blood or soil to any foreign nation.

  • tfb

    The first five presidents were all British subjects BUT they were born in Virginia Colony and so were their parents except Jefferson whose mum was English. In short all of them were only naturalized-by-birth US citizens as all had at least one first generation tie by blood or soil to a foreign nation but still were born on soil of natives. If they were born overseas of foreign parents they would have not been birthright-naturalized.
    Also Minor v. Happersett holds that no 14th amendment US citizen can be a natural born Citizen, and the only permutation omitted from the 14th (US Code 1401) is for 2 US Citizen parents born on US soil.

  • CalifGirlInMaine

    Yes, at least in some states — I would think all but do not know. When a child is adopted, the birth certificate is changed to show the adoptive parents as THE PARENTS, as if the child were born to them. The “original” birth certificate is sealed (I doubt it is destroyed) and is not accessible to anyone, just as adoption records are, for the most part, sealed and inaccessible even to the adoptee.
    If this scenario is correct, I think the citizenship question would be a big one. A minor takes on the citizenship of the parents, so when Lolo adopted Barry, Barry became an Indonesian citizen. Remember there is Barry’s school registration in Indonesia which declares him an Indonesian citizen, and ONLY citizens could attend the public school. I’m not sure how Stanley Anne’s citizenship would affect Barry’s, except in those years Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Perhaps for a child it was different?
    At any rate, after Barry was adopted by Lolo and thus became an Indonesian citizen, to regain his U.S. citizenship he would have had to apply for reinstatement after his 18th birthday and swear allegiance to the U.S. If he did not, he does not have U.S. citizenship. So it could be worse than just not being natural-born — he may be an illegal alien!
    Another curiosity I picked up in research on Indonesian citizenship law when I first became aware of this matter in 2008, is that a person can lose Indonesian citizenship if they occupy a political office in another country, among other things. Based on that, if Obama still had Indonesian citizenship when he was elected state senator in Illinois, he would have lost it. So he plausibly may not be a citizen of ANY country. Maybe that’s why he called himself a “world citizen”?

  • tfb

    Boehner cannot defer this back to Hawaii, because Hawaii says there’s no birth certificate, now the onus is at his very feet.
    It’s up to him as Speaker to pull back and state the 20th was never met and therefore appoint an interim president, because Biden cannot be it since he ran on an illegitimate ticket.
    http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/obama-fails-under-the-20th-amendment/
    OBAMA FAILS UNDER THE TWENTIETH AMENDMENT
    he is NOT president (in any legal sense whatsoever)
    20th Amendment, US Constitution
    ———-
    “If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”

  • CalifGirlInMaine

    Even though his mother was a U.S. citizen, WHERE he was born was important in 1961. If he was born abroad, according to the law at that time, she was too young to pass on her U.S. citizenship. I believe a parent had to have lived in the U.S. for 5 years after turning 14 to be able to pass on their citizenship to their child, and Stanley Anne could not comply with that requirement since she was under 19.
    Thus, if Obama was born outside the U.S. he could not lawfully be a U.S. citizen. If he was born in Hawaii or anywhere else in the U.S., he was born a U.S. citizen, but not “natural born.”

  • tfb

    Correct…Born a Brit, Not Legit

  • tfb

    She was always first on, the very first thing that caught my attention was ODINGA, and it’s been a collision course with awfulness ever since!! Atlas is the best!

  • tfb

    Correct CalifGirl, excellent way to put it…it’s always a challenge what with obat sharks circling around trying to conflate obfuscate and confuse, to get things irrefutably simplified for readers who just want the bottom line.

  • tfb

    He’s violated scores of laws…he lied on his Bar application, he and mooshell have both had their law licenses ripped away, he’s using a fraudulent social security number (one of many)…geez the guy is just allowed to get away with murder

  • Deb Miller

    The WikiLeaks have released only 1% if the info..Would it not be a hoot
    if part of the info was about BO’s birth certificate. Stranger things
    have happened.

  • tfb

    The founders sought to eliminate ALL possible foreign allegiances, and as we see with BHO he has ZERO allegiances to the USA! We have the worst case scenario sittingin the white house, AND if not confronted –SETTING LEGAL PRECEDENT for Achmedinejad’s loinspawn to occupy same (or some other foreign enemy) down the road.
    Also JINDAL is not eligible, nor is RUBIO.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jacksontimbers Indigo Red

    The 20th does not require any more proof of citizenship than the original qualifications. The President refered to in the 20th must meet the same qualifications as if there were no 20th Amendment. 20 simply does not address the situation we have with Obama. It would have been applicable had the an investigation been done during the interregnum determining Obama to be inelegible, but that was not done and Obama was sworn-in.

  • Mac-101

    It ain’t goin to happen. Wilileaks dude has been funded by a Soros NGO. Other than foreign nationals who helped the US, the only other person hurt was Hiliary Cinton. She was startin to strut big after Soros paid for her daughter, the dirivative trader’s wedding and Soros had to nock her down a few pegs!

  • Mac-101

    The last person to see President Oboma’s passport info was Lt Quarles Harris Jr during the DEMO presidential primary. He turned states evidence and got a bullet in de head two weeks latter! Dead men tell no tales. If ya know who killed him Metro police got a 25G reward!

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jacksontimbers Indigo Red

    Even with a US birth, Obama still is not a natural born citizen because of a rule in effect in 1961 imposed on the mother. The mother was required to live in the US continuously for 6 months before birth. Ms. Dunham had gone off to Kenya returning to Hawaii shortly before giving birth, violating the rules, requiring Barry to be naturalized later, which apparently did not happen. That means Obama is neither a natural born citizen nor a naturalized citizen no matter where he was born.

  • Pragmatist

    If he was indeed ADOPTED by Lolo Soetero, which logic tells us he MUST have been as ONLY Indonesian CITIZENS were allowed to attend Indonesian State Schools as Obambi did at the time he lived in Indonesia. Then it is incumbent on HIM to produce a Certificate of Naturalisation AND a name change document to prove he is both an American and Obama not Soetero. Of course this also then totally exposes his ‘Natural Born Citizen’ lies too as the guy was born a BRITISH CITIZEN because of his father and because of his mothers age and residence ineligibility and became an Indonesian CITIZEN because of his adoption . So even IF he has name change and Citizenship change documents he is STILL ineligible.
    Born to a British Citizen Muslim Father and an underage mother adopted by a Muslim STEPFATHER , ALL members of BOTH his Paternal Families are Muslims and even his Kenyan Grandmother who his LYING Election Committee told us was a Christian has just returned from the Haj. He was brought up and schooled as a Muslim in BOTH the State and MULTI FAITH schools he attended in Jakarta. BTW when Barry was in Indonesia you had to be an Indonesian CITIZEN to go to State School, so maybe THATS why the Passport , College and Student loan records are HIDDEN. His contemporaries at school , one of whom is the current head of Garuda Airlines the Indonesian national airline,remember him as a devout Mosque going MUSLIM.
    He took KORANIC STUDIES a Muslim ONLY subject at school a fact he himself ADMITS in his book DREAMS. He is on record as saying ‘If the Political will goes against them I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS” and also “the Muslim call to prayer is one of the MOST beautiful sounds on earth” .
    He can also recite the Shahada in perfectly accented Koranic Arabic , must be a result of his MENGAGI studies a subject only DEVOUT Muslims take. BTW Muslims say anyone who says the Shahada, which calls Allah the PARAMOUNT God (why Paramount are there other LESSER Gods????) and also say Mohammad is his messenger , IS A MUSLIM.
    So what is Barry Soetero the man who tells us he has ‘ALWAYS been a Christian” well for a start he is a BLATANT BAREFACED LIAR

  • Pragmatist

    If as appears to be correct Obama’s mother was ineligible to pass on HER Citizenship to Hussein because of both her age and residence requirements then Obama MUST have taken his Fathers Kenyan BRITISH citizenship. Couple that with the extremely muddy waters surrounding his adoption by Lolo Soetero, his attending an Indonesian Citizens ONLY State school and the lack of his parents Marriage Certificate, his Naturalization and Name Change certificates and you have one of the most egregious cases of a “FREE PASS” given by both the Government and the Lame Stream EneMedia in recorded history. That does not even scratch the surface of his Muslim school registration and contemporaries confirmed Mosque going. Can you imagine Sarah Palin being given this treatment?????

  • http://profile.typepad.com/margaretohearn OzzieAussie

    No he does not look like FMD. He looks like his alleged half-brothers, especially the one in China. Also, he looks nothing like FMD’s real son. If anything he looks like his grandfather and his mother.
    There is an easy way to resolve this one – a DNA test of FMD’s son and of the alleged half-brothers.

  • http://www.ObamaReleaseYourRecords.com ObamaRelease YourRecords
  • http://profile.typepad.com/margaretohearn OzzieAussie

    Being a citizen is not the same as being a natural born citizen. To be natural born you have to be of two citizen parents and of the soil.
    If, as Øbama has claimed, that Barry sr is his father, then Barry is not NBC even if born in Hawaii.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/margaretohearn OzzieAussie

    I wonder who is the gullible one here: the one who does not believe that Øbama was not born in Hawaii or the hysterical person who does not know the meaning of NBC.
    I would say that the pot is calling the kettle black….
    The issue here is: regardless of place of birth, by his own admission, Øbama is not a Natural Born Citizen.
    To be an NBC you must be born to citizen parents. In this case Øbama sr. was not a citizen of the USA but a British citizen. Ergo, having a father who is a Kenyan and a British citizen means that British citizenship was conferred at birth.
    The issue is then further complicated because Ann Dunham then married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Having failed to help him gain American citizenship via a change in status from student to immigrant, Soetoro and Dunham went back to Indonesia. Lolo Soetoro then adopted Barry and he was given the name Soebarkah which is found on a passport application for Ann Soetoro nee Dunham. The name was crossed out indicating that Barry was not considered to be a dependent American citizen (or he would have remained on the passport).
    Since Ann would have filled out the paperwork at the American Embassy in Indonesia, it is probable that Hawaii, based upon information provided amended the birth record to reflect the adoption.
    This would explain why Øbama stated something along the lines that the other son/s of the other American wife had more provable claims to his father’s estate than he or Ann. If he had a copy of the birth certificate with the name change then he could not prove that he was the son of Barry sr.

  • Mitch

    I think Davis is his father, too. But if he was adopted by Soetoro it is a moot point.
    There are several things that blow his story out of the water and that’s why he is hiding the documents.
    http://obamadaddy.blogspot.com/

  • Mitch

    He sure ain’t my president.

  • Mitch

    That still may be true. Or Frank Marshall Davis.
    http://obamadaddy.blogspot.com/

  • http://profile.typepad.com/margaretohearn OzzieAussie

    A citizen yes, but nothing more than a plebian citizen because with a British citizen father he is not NBC.
    Also, in 1961 age mattered, and it is not clear if Ann Dunham who was under 19 could confer citizenship upon her infant.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/margaretohearn OzzieAussie

    Assange is a selfish bastard. He claims he has documents that he will release if he ends up being arrested and sent to the USA. It is almost like a threat of blackmail.
    Assange is so selfish, that if he did have the documents and he was arrested, then sent to the USA, his colleagues would release said documents.
    Do not count on the Soros angle where Julian Assange the selfish and egotistical bastard is concerned.

  • Judd

    Pamela – One item – not even in the top thousand of Obama sins – but may be relevent.
    Do you remember how he racked up hundreds of dollars of parking tickets in Boston – and only paid them when he got serious in politics in Illinois (the Senate race? Presidential? I think the latter, but can’t remember)
    At the time, I thought that he was just a narcissistic jerk – who believed that the rules didn’t apply to him.
    However, MAYBE he knew something. Maybe he knew that the name of his auto registration was different than his legal name so “they’ll never get me”. He certainly was behaving like someone for whom there were no consequences.
    Food for thought.

  • NICKinNOVA

    “by his own admission.” please, I implore you to present the evidence where Obama admitted to not being a natural born citizen. How muchreality must be brought down on your tinfoiled hat until you realize you beleive in a baseless conspiracy. I bet you also buy into big foot, area 51, and that Sarah Palin could be elected president. Come back to Earth. Reality awaits.

  • Judd

    Also – this is the week – 3rd week in January – when in 1997 the Lewinsky story jumped from the shadow media into the main stream.
    Maybe the same thing will happen to the COLB 14 years later.

  • azgo

    jbjd had trouble posting a comment today and asked me to comment for her.
    Gov. Abercrombie changed his tune viz a viz Obama’s Birth Certificate, days after I posted these 2 articles explaining, no images visible in the paid political advertisement “Fight the Smears” were illegal; but producing a hard copy of an official document with the intent to defraud, violates the U.S. Code. DE-CODER RINGS (1 of 2) and DE-CODER RINGS (2 of 2) But his biggest problem regarding Obama’s eligibility remains his Lt. Gov., Brian Schatz, former Chair of the HI D Party! GOV. NEIL ABERCROMBIE (D-HI) TAKES ON LT. GOV. BRIAN SCHATZ for CRIMINAL ELECTION FRAUD

  • tfb

    The swearing is does not obviate the qualification requirement of the 20th amendment; nowhere in the Oath is there any self-attestation as to qualification. They are utterly distinct.
    Congress did not qualify, Obama is NOT a legal president. (see dr.Kate’s article below)

  • tfb

    Oh STFU obat fraudster, Obama admits he was born a British citizen, all by himself.

  • http://prosemiteundercover.phpbbnow.com/index.php Andy Lewis

    Psstt…you’re overthinking this folks. The reason his long form birth certif can’t be found is simple…it doesn’t exist. It doesn’t exist because Obama doesn’t exist, he’s a hologram.
    Not only is there no there there, there’s no guy tghere.

  • http://www.missdynamite.com Sirkowski

    Jesus, Pam… Get a job. And therapy.

  • http://www.missdynamite.com Sirkowski

    Oh shit, space lizards can turn invisible!!!

  • http://www.missdynamite.com Sirkowski

    Kids, don’t do drugs.

  • tfb

    yep, Mark Ndsanjo, he looks identical, and there’s another hidden one in Texas
    I sometimes think the son that “died” in a motorcycle accident, Ruth’s was just another of her offspring
    http://blogs.courant.com/overcoming_battered_lives/ca-2f2934c58c994690dfba91cbb3fc7446.jpg
    he has acne scars and plucks his eyebrows to look Chinese (where he now lives) but he looks just like Obama, and is his half brother
    think about it, this is Obama Sr. and white Ruth, whom we’ve heard zip about…this is their son.

  • tfb

    I meant I sometimes think Obama is this “missing” son that died…

  • tfb

    She had to have been 18 at time of birth to confer US citizenship if Obama was born in a foreign country, she was not and so if he was born in Kenya he was never a US Citizen.
    No matter WHERE he was born he could never be a natural born Citizen since this requires 2 US citizen parents and being born on US soil

  • tfb

    stfu obat, Abercrombie admitted on the record there is no birth certificate
    so he fails 20th amendment and is not a legal president
    just a matter of time
    ABERCROMBIE DONE EFFED YOU OBATS OVER NOW DIDN’T HE?
    “Oh no you did -unt!”

  • tfb

    ^oooh look the sound of an Abercrombie-exposed-desperate obat who didn’t get the last slice of pep pizza in the Soros living room blogathon

  • billwhit1357

    I also find it strange that no one from Obama’s grade school, high school, or university days has come out and said they remember him. Even some who took the same classes Obama says he took don’t even remember him. If any readers know of any, I would like to know. If Obama was truly born in Hawaii, then we just have to look at the hard fact that we elected a Failure to lead our country and we have to do better in 2012. But if it turns out he really isn’t qualified to be President, then he should be punished and all those who stated he was legal should also be punished. Jail terms for Obama, Michelle, and Pelosi for sure, plus his Legion of Demon Administration, Holder, Geitner, Pervert Jenkins, the whole horde!

  • James G. Borden

    Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.
    If anyone wants a copy of his real long-form Certificate of Birth proving he was born in Kenya send me an email at: jgborden96720@yahoo.com
    James G. Borden
    Newsletter Editor
    AMERICAN PATRIOTS’ MOVEMENT OF AMERICA
    National Headquarters
    Hilo, Hawaii 96720

  • http://prosemiteundercover.phpbbnow.com/index.php Andy Lewis

    If you think I’m an obat, yer a dumbphuque. Try reading for comprehension next time. Bozo.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jzaik jzaik

    I think Obama was behind the birth certificate. He definitely knew about it. He planned the birth certificate so that he could help out his friends in Halliburton. Did you see the third birth certificate image? There’s no way that image could have been produced by itself. It was a controlled production.

  • Tom TB

    How does 0bama explain his current fraud; that is having and using a Connecticut SSN? He never lived or worked in CT! He has also confused his fawning supporters, they would like to install a shrine or at least a plaque at the hospital of his birth; only they still don’t know WHICH ONE IT IS!

  • http://nobarack08.wordpress.com nobarack08

    Strange that a valid BIRTH CERTIFICATE can’t be produced, because that would mean that the COLB that has been posted on the DailyKOS, Fight the Smears, and FactCheck is exactly what I have been saying since Aug 2008, it nothing but a forgery.
    Remember the COLB is supposed to be backed up by an official generated long form BIRTH CERTIFICATE issued by an official or agency responsible for filing the birth with the Department of Health. So what is the COLB presented by Obama based upon? Nothing, absolutely nothing but hot air, fictitious, and made up propaganda, and again is nothing but a forgery. Nothing from nothing.
    The COLB that was used to present Obama as a ‘valid candidate’ is a fraudulant document, and that there is no document [long form Birth Certificate] backing it up as the Obama supporters continuely like to state as ‘prima facie’ evidence of a birth anywhere in the United States let alone Hawaii, is a criminal act.
    But then the birth certificate is a smoke screen as Obama fails to meet the Constuitutional requirement of a ‘Natural Born Citizen’.
    When it becomes open or common knowledge that there is no long form Birth Certificate, and that Obama is nothing but a fraud, the real questions on eligibility might be addressed, and those responsible held accountable. Including those that defended the illegal undocumented foreigner. The motto of the Obama campaign should have been “caveat emptor” or in simple english “Let the buyer beware.”

  • Pragmatist

    An open CHALLENGE to all the loyal Obamanation worshipers who post on here in his defense. I notice that in doing so not ONE of you attempts to challenge the FACT that all of those documents listed below are HIDDEN. So take the list of documents that he is HIDING and give us a point by point explanation why each one is being HIDDEN or alternatively show WHERE that information is AVAILABLE for scrutiny. Only when you have done that can you then throw out your wild accusations of conspiracy nut against anyone. The ones who ARE CONSPIRING are the ones who are HIDING the documents not those merely asking to see them and only a blind worshiper would have the reverse morality to see it any other way. So lets see what you are made of.
    Oh and just in case you want to pretend you dont know what is missing here is a list .
    Here apart from his Vault Birth Certificate are just some but my no means ALL of the OTHER documents and information the Obamanation is HIDING.
    There is a lifetime of “missing” documentation — but it must a coincidence — it has to be a coincidence — just keep telling yourself, “it’s a coincidence.”
    Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
    

Soetoro adoption records — Not released
    

Punahou School records — Not released


    Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    Soetero/Obama name change documentation – Not released


    Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    

Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    

Passport records — Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
    Just a coincidence???????????
    Columbia College records — Not released
    

Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released


    Harvard College records — Not released


    Harvard Law Review articles — None


    Illinois Bar Records — Not released


    Baptism certificate — None


    Medical records — Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama’s healthy)
    Just a coincidence????????
    Law practice client list — Not released
    

University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    

Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None


    Illinois State Senate records — None


    Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    Almost 50 years old and there’s no paper trail — coincidence? Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don’t know anything about Obama — operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented — an impossible coincidence — and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available.
Some of us believe that something isn’t on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him.
You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call — why doesn’t he press the button?

  • Pragmatist

    An open CHALLENGE to all the loyal Obamanation worshipers who post on here in his defense. I notice that in doing so not ONE of you attempts to challenge the FACT that all of those documents listed below are HIDDEN. So take the list of documents that he is HIDING and give us a point by point explanation why each one is being HIDDEN or alternatively show WHERE that information is AVAILABLE for scrutiny. Only when you have done that can you then throw out your wild accusations of conspiracy nut against anyone. The ones who ARE CONSPIRING are the ones who are HIDING the documents not those merely asking to see them and only a blind worshiper would have the reverse morality to see it any other way. So lets see what you are made of.
    Oh and just in case you want to pretend you dont know what is missing here is a list .
    Here apart from his Vault Birth Certificate are just some but my no means ALL of the OTHER documents and information the Obamanation is HIDING.
    There is a lifetime of “missing” documentation — but it must a coincidence — it has to be a coincidence — just keep telling yourself, “it’s a coincidence.”
    Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
    

Soetoro adoption records — Not released
    

Punahou School records — Not released


    Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    Soetero/Obama name change documentation – Not released


    Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    

Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    

Passport records — Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
    Just a coincidence???????????
    Columbia College records — Not released
    

Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released


    Harvard College records — Not released


    Harvard Law Review articles — None


    Illinois Bar Records — Not released


    Baptism certificate — None


    Medical records — Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama’s healthy)
    Just a coincidence????????
    Law practice client list — Not released
    

University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    

Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None


    Illinois State Senate records — None


    Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    Almost 50 years old and there’s no paper trail — coincidence? Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don’t know anything about Obama — operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented — an impossible coincidence — and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available.
Some of us believe that something isn’t on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him.
You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call — why doesn’t he press the button?

  • rhcrest

    Only Indonesian citizens were allowed to go to school in Indonesia at the time which is why Lolo Soetero adopted him. There are no known records of him reclaiming his American citrizenship. So we are not even sure that he is an American Citizen at this point regardless of where he was born. Secondly, his becoming an Indonesian citizen means he lost his natural born citizenship at that time, if had any to begin with which he did not IF his father was really Barack Sr. .Barack was a British subject whcih automatically disqualifies him from being a NBC IF Barack was really his father. I think he looks a heck of a lot like Frank Marshall Davis which means he was probably born in Hawaii but he would have lost any citizenship he had when he was adopted by Lolo. Check out this website and scroll down to the pics to see the resemblance to Frank Marshall. http://wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com/blog/

  • rhcrest

    Actually the people who believe a laser forged document with no signatures, no doctors, no hospital listed are the gullible morons. Sorry.

  • Linda Joy Adams

    Mother’s maiden name at birth was POPE. Dunham was the stepfather’s name that raised her. Family believes that his birth is recorded in Kansas/

  • Chuck

    No, my point is that the date is wrong. I’ve looked over the posts, and Pam didn’t write anything about Obama’s birth certificate in May. She began covering it with that June 10 post I linked to.

  • Continental Op

    Looks like a scanner glitch to me. But what do I know — I’m only an IT professional.

  • aprilnovember811

    NickinNova,
    Obama is Jim Jones you are one of his followers. Direct your anger where it belongs on the man who lied to you. You should have seen how smarmy he was from the get go.
    http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/profiles/blogs/democratic-kool-aid-ties-to

  • Noelegy

    I can’t speak for Hawaii, but I was born in Texas in 1970, and my parents adopted me in 1971. My birth certificate was amended to list my adoptive parents as the mother and father, and my name was changed to the name they gave me, which was completely different from the name I’d had before. I have no legal right to see an unaltered birth certificate.
    My husband’s history is similar to that of the President: his mother divorced his dad and remarried, and her second husband adopted her son. His middle and last names were changed. The birth certificate reflects this; his BC reads as though [Stepdad] was the father present at his birth.

  • Noelegy

    How’s your reading comprehension? The question isn’t WHERE he was born, not anymore.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/colony14author Colony14Author

    Points to consider:
    If Obama was legally adopted by Lola Soetoro when he became Barry Soetoro, he likely became a citizen of Indonesia. When he returned to the United States, Barry possibly never bothered to go through the naturalization process. He may still be an Indonesian citizen. Needless to say, he would certainly want to hide that information. (One can argue about the meaning of “natural born citizen” as used in the U.S. Constitution – I believe the Founding Fathers intended for the presidency to be limited to persons born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents – but one would be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to concede that the office of President of the United States can be granted to someone who is a citizen of Indonesia. If Obama/Soetoro remains a citizen of Indonesia, his party should be over and he should go to jail for perpetrating the greatest fraud in the history of the nation. Anyone who donated to his 2008 campaign fund can engage in a class action lawsuit to recover their money; that should cause some damage to Michelle’s shoe budget.)
    The Kenyan certificate of birth which has been posted on the Internet and sent to all members of Congress (and which may or may not be legitimate) was dated February 1964. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham were divorced in March of 1964. It is not illogical to believe that the document was requested from Kenya for purposes of finalizing the divorce. One numbered page is conveniently missing from the divorce decree; it is certainly logical to wonder whether that missing page pertains to Obama’s birth.
    Obama shares many facial characteristics with Stanley Ann Dunham and her father, Stanley Armour Dunham. Obama is therefore the child of Stanley Ann Dunham and a black man. (Or he is the child of a black woman and Stanley Armour Dunham.) Obama bears virtually no resemblance to the Kenyan, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. Obama bears a slight resemblance to Mark Davis, the son of Frank Marshall Davis. And, of course, many have pointed out that Obama looks a lot like Malcolm “X” (Malcolm Little). (Obama’s daughters also show some resemblance to the daughters of Malcolm X.) Yes, the “Obama’s father was Malcolm X” theory is far-fetched, but I am unable to get out of my mind the image of Obama, his wife, and his daughters on election night. Obama wore a black suit and a red tie. His older daughter wore a red dress, and his younger daughter wore a black dress. Michelle Obama wore an arguably unattractive black and red dress that resembled the letter X. Ask yourself, “Who puts his young daughter in a stark black dress for a celebratory occasion?” (Or even, “Where does one even buy a black dress for a little girl?”) I have never in my life seen a little girl in a black dress. Am I the only one who believes their choice of clothing was unusual, even if not intentionally symbolic?
    I do not pretend to know the answers to the many questions prompted by Obama’s “life story.” But my research has involved several thousand man-hours and more than 16,000 references, culminating in The Obama Timeline. (Part I is in book form; Part II is updated on an almost daily basis at http://www.colony14.net.) I defy anyone to read The Obama Timeline and tell me there is nothing shady going on with this presidency.
    Several of my sources attended the University of Hawaii in 1960-1961. They knew Barack Obama, Sr. very well, and they swear they never saw him with Stanley Ann Dunham; they state they never even heard of her; they say he never mentioned marriage to Dunham or a child. They insist he is not the father, but they do not know who is. They have confided in me but are understandably afraid to go public.
    Millions may believe Obama is their messiah, just as many believe in Arlen Specter’s “single bullet theory.” But I will go to my grave believing that Obama has perpetrated the greatest fraud in U.S. history and is ineligible to serve as president. It is not a matter of “Is he hiding something?” but “What is he hiding, and why?”

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    “Rather simple, really. Obama could never be a natural born citizen. He is the reason that the restriction exists, and is living proof of the wisdom of it.”
    Well said!

  • Vince

    People, I got news for you: Kenyan Grandamother said that she was present in the delivery room when he was born. And I don’t think it was in Hawaii.

  • kate b

    Obama is pretty much like the Antiochus Epiphanes of his day (ref Daniel 11:21; history rhymes) Antiochus also captured the kingship through flatteries and false promises and intrigue.
    So much for transparency too – as stated above, all those documents were hidden, but we know that there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known New Testament Matt 10:26 (based on Ecclesiastes 12:14)

  • DanS.

    shows fraud in getting loans and grants etc. simple crimes, but enough to sink the political career – branded LIAR and NOT CREDIBLE. federal crime as well to lie on the applications. Pam is probably correct.

  • Blue Shark

    Sigh!
    …so much stupid … and so little time.

  • tfb

    simple logic! article ii says it all…there were no
    oath-naturalized citizens until 1790, the constitution was ratified in 1787,
    Citizen "Citizen" means birthright first generation, and is different from
    natural born Citizen, which means birthright second generation {Citizen} ≠
    {Natural Born Citizen}

    "No person except a natural born Citizen,
    or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of
    the Adoption of this Constitution
    ,
    shall be eligible to the
    Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
    shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years
    a Resident within the United States."

     

    pure logic, folks

  • mrsslats

    I’m confused, factcheck.org has all kinds of pictures of the birth certificate, close up, high quality pictures…
    Was it a reproduction? It says the factcheck staffers have touched it and examined it- and that there’s nothing odd. There’s nothing blacked out, no marks on it- straight from the offices in Hawaii- is the hypothesis that Hawaii forged this information and made it up for Obama?
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
    It has the certificate number and all right there.

  • http://actforamerica.com pythagoras

    If Obama was born in another country, say Kenya, as a non-US citizen, that would explain very nicely this supposed mystery about his birth certificate. Obama, if foreign born as a non-US citizen, would of course be unable to produce a legal, verifiable birth certificate of birth in the USA because he would not have one. And neither would the state of Hawaii be able to despite the claims to the contrary made by Governor Abercrombie.
    Additionally–
    If Obama was born in Kenya that would also explain his apparent lack of a legitimate social security number of his own and why he has been fraudulently using social security numbers of deceased American citizens (one of whom lived in the state of CT, a state where Obama never resided).
    Obama’s being foreign born as a non-US citizen is the only thing I can think of that explains BOTH circumstances. If Obama had been born in the US he WOULD almost certainly not be using phony social security numbers) as he would have his own and therefore no legitimate reason either to poach some one else’s and therefore no reason either to risk getting caught doing so (which by the way he WAS and could yet face prosecution for it).
    I do not expect that Obama is going to produce a legal, verifiable certficate of birth in the United States because I do not believe he has one to produce. Seeing is believing and I’ll believe Obama was born in the USA as a citizen when I see him produce a legal, verifiable US birth certificate–and not a minute before.

  • CalifGirlInMaine

    A classmate from Occidental College in Los Angeles has photos of Obama while he was there. Indonesian classmates have been quoted in the media. I don’t recall if others have reported knowing him, but there weren’t many.
    One of Stanley Anne’s friends in WA reported that she visited with baby Obama very shortly after he was born. Neil Abercrombie knew Obama Sr., and I believe Stanley Anne, but I don’t think he’s ever reported seeing baby Obama or pregnant Anne. I find it curious that none of the friends of mother or grandparents in Hawaii have reported seeing Obama as a baby. Were they such recluses that they had no friends? Surely not ALL the friends are dead.

  • CalifGirlInMaine

    Also, the Occidental College YEARBOOKS for the years he attended have been removed from the library shelves; not sure about the yearbooks at Columbia and Harvard.
    There must be several hundred people in this country who have 1980 and 1981 yearbooks for Occidental College. Can one of them come forward and state if Barack/Barry Obama/Soetoro is included in either of those yearbooks? Or have the Obama hacks tracked down every single alumnus of Occidental in those years and “persuaded” them not to release this info?

  • BR Drex

    Assuming his real birth certificate has his name listed as “Barry Soetoro”, The document released by the Obama campaign is a forgery. Although I doubt Obama made it himself, Is the cover up worse than the crime.
    Interestingly a satire website, http://www.igormarxo.org, has had a joke bc for years which lists Obama’s name as “Barack Milhous Hussein Obama”. Where are Woodward and Berstein when we need them?

  • http://profile.typepad.com/r0dn1 Rodney

    I don’t question the falsity of the posted COLB, what I question is the veracity of someone who would pull a stunt like saying that anyone could follow his method to reveal the name “Maya” on it, and disappearing when no one can reproduce his results!
    I am willing to believe Techdude’s reason for disappearing (fear of reprisals), if only I had an explanation for this big apparent lie.
    I have no opinion on the heat analysis results. What I want is an explanation for this apparent hoax about the name “Maya” being easily findable on the certificate, that’s all. Someone who would pull a hoax is not believable.
    I should say here that I am a supporter of Pamela Geller on the majority of the issues she has taken up. But this one, I cannot understand.

  • Montana

    To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. The way our US Courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked lies, then, and only then, you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called facts that they present to our US Courts. Let’s face it no one will go along with you until you guys win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/egghead1 Egghead

    Hi Obama troll! Nice to talk to you! Go sell your lies somewhere else….
    As you well know, at all levels, the U.S. courts have been utterly corrupt on this issue – dismissing the majority – if not all – of the court cases based on denying “standing” to the litigants – versus allowing legitimate discovery. One judge went so far as to admit that she refused to order discovery because it might embarrass our con President. Hmmm. Embarrass him or implicate him in a clearly criminal act of fraud and/or conspiracy to commit fraud?!
    In other words, the corrupt courts contend that “we the people” have ZERO right to VERIFY that our con President is even a legitimate American citizen – let alone a legitimate U.S. President.
    This corruption extends even to the Supreme Court where our con President has court-packed the Supreme Court by fraudulently appointing Supreme Court justices who are directly beholden to Obama to keep their jobs. In other words, if he goes, then they go, too.
    In addition, Kagan has a separate conflict of interest in that she was personally involved as Obama’s representative in court cases regarding the criminal cover-up of con Obama’s lack of constitutionally-required documentation. Oh, and for good measure, Kagan also supports the introduction of oppressive terrorist-supporting Sharia Law into the U.S. legal system.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/egghead1 Egghead

    Factcheck.org is a highly biased organization dedicated to keeping Obama in power:
    Obama, Bill Ayers, and FactCheck.Org: All Have Ties To Annenberg Foundation
    October 6, 2008
    http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/obama-bill-ayers-and-factcheckorg-all-have-ties-to-annenberg-foundation/

  • http://profile.typepad.com/6p00e3932f37e18834 Consul-At-Arms
  • Purple Fox

    I’m not sure why he thinks he has the right to lock away his real identity sealed with hundreds of dollars worth of Tamper Evident Tape when he has come to a, well THE, most public role. Surely the amount spent on this security means that what he is hiding is something to be suspicious of?

  • Charles17121

    That is because he was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii

  • http://www.anniefields.com Annie Fields

    You’re ALMOST there, Pam. It’s NOT just a name, it’s that the adoption compromised his PASSPORT. His CITIZENSHIP STATUS prevents him from being the President and his FREEZE OUT of ALL DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT of access to the WORLD’S LARGEST DATABASE OF PASSPORT RECORDS – INTERPOL – is the nail in the coffin. It’s the part NOBODY ever talks about. Everyone talks about the E.O. the first day of his presidency, but it’s the INTERPOL E.O. that sealed the deal.
    All it took for me to figure this out was to think like a girl. You’re Ann. You’re in love. You’ve got a son by a man with other wives & children who has abandoned you, and though you take pains to make sure little Barry has a positive image of him, HE NEEDS A FATHER. So you have LOLO adopt him BECAUSE NOBODY EVER WALKS DOWN THE AISLE THINKING IT WON’T LAST. Barry gets shipped back to Hawaii, and life goes on… until he realizes he’s never cleaned up his citizenship status.
    WND recently got ID on the latest social security number Barry is using. Seems Ayers is a pro at such things…

  • http://profile.typepad.com/somodat Somodat

    What records have surfaced from his passports? If he got a passport to leave the country before he was adopted by Lolo, that would have the Barack Hussein Obama on it. Being a minor, he wouldn’t have any ID to contradict that until he got a driver’s license and if he traveled with any parent and had a passport he may not have been required to show it, even though he was using Barry Soetoro. Once he was of legal age he started using Barack Obama again while in Hawaii. Hawaii should have the names used on his licenses too. Also, if he applied for foreign student financial aid, those documents would be helpful in discovering what name he used on those grants, although as a “US citizen” I’m not sure how he could have received financial aid reserved for “non-citizens” regardless of his biological or adopted fathers nationality or immigration status, but I don’t know the requirements for student financial aid for non-citizens.