AFDI/SIOA Rally for Wal-Mart “Love Wal-Mart Day”
Yes to Wal-Mart, No to Ground Zero Mosque

I must admit that I do not understand why anyone would want to build a mosque so close to the site of the worst terrorist attack in American history. I really do not understand what building a mosque near ground zero is trying to prove to the American public. In what way are people supposed to take this? If anything it just confuses me. On the other hand there are a few reasons why I can see why building this mosque really wouldn’t matter. One reason is because the mosque is not at the hallowed ground of the former World Trade Center. Secondly it is not strictly a mosque, it’s more like a community center open to the public. So although when I first heard this idea I cringed, I can also see how in some aspects it is not as bug a deal as the media is making it out to be.

Muslims are commanded to terrorize their enemies, like the Islamic terrorists & jihadists of 911
Mujahedeen the most beloved ones of Allah
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/018-suicide-bombing.htm
911 jihad terror attack was Koran 9:111 PASSPORT TO PARADISE
… for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause,
and slay and are slain … that is the achievement supreme.
Quran 8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war,
to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies,
and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.
Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you,
and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

On Southern Heritage, the Tea Party, and the Problem of Walmart.
The Southern Tea Party
As I was driving through rural Tennessee and Virginia in early October, I knew that the Democrats were going to get clobbered this time around. It wasn’t a thing that I was actually celebrating mind you. I very much fear that through the “revolution” of the Tea Party the Corporations may be about to regain the power that they had over government in the Bush years. It ain’t that I am married to the Democrats. In truth they betray Labor more often than not. It is just that I can’t find any Republican candidates that will vote in favor of working class people over the interests of their corporate masters, ever…..period. I sincerely hope that some of your Tea Party candidates will break this longstanding Republican tradition, a tradition dating back to the 1860s when the Yankees invaded us and forced their commercial/industrial way of life upon us.
You see, I am a far Lefty….way further Left than Progressive or Liberal, far enough Left to keep my handy little carbine around, with a half dozen loaded magazines, as well as my trusty old deer rifle for more “reach-out and touch someone” type work. Being a good Southern lad, Daddy taught me to track and to shoot and to make shit go “BOOM!” too, just like many of you. And I, like most of you, yet believe in the Jeffersonian Dream of a common man’s armed democracy.
I have no problem with your desire to make government smaller and more responsive. Like any good Rebel I have a strong anarchist streak. Jefferson, following John Locke, said that government is an evil necessity. In the evil part, I usually agree with them. It is the necessity thing that I am not always so sure about. So I write to you not as a Big Government Liberal but as a cultural anarchist, or as an Ultra Libertarian if you prefer. Again, like many of you, I believe we have the means to solve our own problems at the community level, if we are left alone to do so.
Now I get to the part when I start saying things that are probably gonna piss a lot of you boys off. That is fair enough. Shoot back if you can. But before you start calling me “socialist-commie”, “progressive elitist” or just plain old “nigger-lover” check out:
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=display&webtag=ab-genealogy&tid=4773
You might just find out that my family history and background ain’t that different from your own.
There is a glaring hypocrisy within the Republican Tea Party, for which I must now take my white Southern brethren to task. You say Big Government is evil. Ok I get that and I tend to agree. But if this so, what the hell makes Big Business so good? It is just as powerful as government and just as evil. In fact, government, for all its excesses, is not actively destroying our environment or wastefully exhausting our resources, but Big Business is. Why is that ok?
You want to throw out all of the self-serving politicians, but all those lying, thieving, economy-destroying corporate executives are still to be admired and bowed down to, You think they should continue to be allowed wage economic war on our People and on our Planet, indeed, on the very “Nature” that all you hunters and outdoorsmen profess to love so much.
“Wtf?” even. Have the fumes from the Nascar races and the dyes in your camo dulled your “good ole boy” wits so much, or are you just waiting for you balls to finally drop so you can at last be worthy of your Southern warrior ancestors?
If you don’t want Big government folks, you have to have a means of controlling Big Business yourselves. And this can only mean democratic unions, of and for the People. There is no other way. As an individual you cannot stand before them, all you can do is suck up to the boss, the way too many of our ancestors sucked up to the slave owning aristocracy and paid such a terrible cost for it. IF we yet believe in Jeffersonian democracy, and it is not really all about Hate instead of Heritage, then we must be prepared to take on these corporations. There can no meaningful political freedom if the whole of humanity serves in economic bondage, from the lowliest laborer to the most well to do manager or other corporate sycophant. Are only corporate executives and old money capitalists to be considered worthy of the old American standard of Liberty?
This was not our ancestor’s vision, at least not for the 9 out of 10 who owned no slaves and controlled no great landed estates. In their worldview they fought against the Hamiltonian vision of America, of a Republic, only marginally democratic, controlled through Federalism in the commercial interest of wealthy merchants and factory owners.
On the Problem of Walmart
Lets take a concrete modern example here, and a home grown one at that. Let’s look for a moment at Walmart, Now ole Sam Walton opened his first discount store in Rogers, Arkansas in 1962. By the time of his death 30 years later Walmart had grown to be a large international corporation. Today, 18 years later, Walmart operates about 3800 US facilities and a similar number in other industrialized nations around the world. Its profits for 2008 were billion. It is employees about 1,800,000 people, only slightly less than the number of civilian employees of the U.S. government.
Now we have all seen how Walmart can come into a small town with a Supercenter and wreck a local economy. Most of us personally know of once proud small business owners who were reduced to wage laborers because they could not compete with Walmart’s “low prices” based in their great size, their cheap, mostly foreign made goods, and on their ruthless determination to hold most of their “associates” to part-time, poverty-level wages and a glaring absence of healthcare.
No corporation on the face of this planet has contributed more to the serious environmental problem of suburban sprawl than Walmart. There are nearly as many old abandoned Walmarts and parking lots blighting our communities as there are operating ones. Now to its credit Walmart has made some significant efforts toward thinking about a “green” future. They have designed a few “environmental” stores. But when considered against the scale of the environmental harm they have caused around the globe, it is hard not to regard these efforts as little more than the PR propaganda campaigns of a company with more real economic power than many small nations.
Now it is time to tell my Southern brethren a story; It is story that should shame every single descendant of the courageous men who followed the likes of Lee, Jackson and Forrest. We all know what Walmart has done to countless Southern communities and we have so far not been able to do one damn thing about it, not even to give back one ounce of fully justified retribution.
This is the story of a Canadian single mother, who did something that up until this point no one else in North America had had been able to do. Back in 2004 and 2005, she lead a in-house campaign that successfully organized the employees of a Walmart store in Jonquiere, Quebec into a union. Her name is Sylvie Lavoie and she is a real working class hero. But three days after the union was certified Walmart announced the closing of the store. Bargaining did nothing to change their minds. The store was duly closed. A few other Walmart departments have voted in unions in Canada and the U.S. All have been closed in retaliation for the workers in these units exercising their rights under American and Canadian law.
But now here is the real kicker, in China, one of Walmart’s biggest trading partners, their stores and other facilities are all unionized. Of course, these unions are part of the Communist Party apparatus and thus Walmart figures it can control them through its cozy relationships with Chinese Government.
It is kinda ironic huh? Unions are good enough for Red Chinese workers but not for free born Americans and Canadians who have strong traditions of self-government and self-determination.
In short, Walmart has gotten a mite too big for its britches. It is time that it got taken down a peg or two. Since Walmart is one of our own homegrown “scallywag” corporations, much like Fed/Ex, or Coca-Cola, I believe it is our Southern duty to take on the task. It is our responsibility to deliver the world from this institutional evil that from the start has been based on the exploitation of Southern labor and of whole Southern communities.
So here is my proposal. I fully believe it a proposal that is firmly within the Jeffersonian traditions of our Southern ancestors, a proper Rebel response.
Let us begin by taking those two years to prepare that two years we did not take in 1861 to prepare for the coming fight. We will need that time, because in it we need to get a union organizing drive going in every one of the 1000 or so Walmarts operating here in the South. Hopefully our Yankee and Canadian brothers and sisters will support us in our efforts as well. But the main focus should be here. Bentonville, Arkansas, after all, lies within our beloved South.
So you say you don’t like Big Unions? Fair enough. Don’t join one. The National Labor Relations Act gives us the option of forming a union, rather than joining one. It might require that you educate yourself some by going to the NLRB website, or actually getting up off your ass and going to a Local Board office, to talk to an information officer. It might mean pissing your boss off or risking your job.
I don’t care, if you like, call your union the Confederated Workers of Walmart, Independent Local Battalion #(store number). Hell, if you like show up in your damn re-enactment gear, or in your cammies or in whatever. What is important is that you show up, that you form ranks with blacks and Hispanics and Asians and take these corporations on directly before they reduce our children to widespread poverty, economic bondage and to unbelievably vast environmental devastation. And Walmart absolutely belongs at the very top of that very long list of traitorous corporations that we must somehow get a handle on.
So once there are organizing drives going on in every southern Walmart, and of course, even as Walmart is breaking the law at every turn, illegally firing pro-union workers, threatening closings that they actually mean, grilling and intimidating workers and generally waging economic terrorism on their own “associates”, we then need to set a date. We must do so very publicly for we will need every Southern worker and consumer to understand the importance of our fight. When the day reckoning comes, when every Walmart in the South, and hopefully in all of North America, strikes for legal union recognition, we will need every loyal Southern citizen to boycott in support. I would propose that the date be Thanksgiving weekend, 2012.
In the unlikely event we ever got serious about it, that would give us the time. I know it is unlikely to ever come about. People are too self absorbed. So it is probable that the decision to do something about Walmart and all the other corporations will be put off until our children or grandchildren’s generations when the eco-economic devastation they are causing has simply become too great to ignore any longer. What we might have prevented with mere economic battles and sacrifices will in all likelihood have to be paid the way we Southerners have always paid, with massive quantities of good ole Southern Blood. Only this time around, the rest of the world, or at least all working class people within it, are likely to be in the same boat.
Why-unions.com
Now I don’t work at Walmart. I work for the Bway Corporation, a manufacturer of metal and plastic containers operating 20 plants in North America. It is not nearly as large of a corporation as Walmart, and correspondingly it is not perpetuating quite as much social and ecological harm. But it is a traditionally managed corporation utilizing top-down, greed driven, decision-making, rather than trying to use the qualitative superiority of team consensus decision-making at every organizational level to address the vast ecological, industrial and economic problems of mankind in this Era. It is thus, part of the problem, not part of the solution.
So in encouraging all workers of Walmart and every other such corporation to organize themselves into unions, I am not asking anyone to do anything I am not already doing myself.
Why-unions.com
This is a website devoted to, first and foremost, the organization of the workers of the Bway corporation into effective unions. More, generally however, the site is also devoted to helping any worker anywhere learn more about unions, how they work for members, and how that said worker can exercise his or her legal right to attempt to form a union in his/her respective workplace. For any of you good ole boys who yet believe in things like Jeffersonian democracy or the right of the middle and working classes to also get a fair shake in America, I hope you will visit our site.
By doing so you will be helping us out in a few ways:
First, by simply hitting the site you can help raise the visibility of the site on the search engines. Since BWAY is listed as one of the keywords this will help increase the discomfort level of corporate executives by making them realize that a greater audience is watching their actions. What goes on in this campaign will not be confined within the walls of their modern day little sweatshops. By doing this one thing you can help us immensely.
Second, I ask that any of you that belong to and/or believe in unions stop by, join our blog and contribute to it. These postings might range from well-developed articles on various aspects of trade unionism, to testimonials of rank and file union members, to simple statements of support. Our site, only three weeks old or so, is very much still under development and we ask for your help and suggestions to help us make it as effective as possible.
Finally, those of you who know employees of any of the 20 BWAY plants making metal or plastic containers in North America, are strongly encouraged to tell them about us, to direct them towards our website and to encourage them to join us in our fight to make this one little corporation fully unionized.
In closing I would address specifically that self appointed spokesman of the tea party movement, that esteemed crybaby of Fox News, Glen Beck.
You said you wanted a revolution, Glen. You said that Government was too big and too powerful. You even said that all those banks and insurance companies should have been allowed to fail, and I assume that you also believe they should not have been allowed to get “too big to fail” in the first place.
Good. So get on board with our unionized economic revolution. a revolution vastly more everyday, economically meaningful, than the little political one that just came about. Come out and say that free and democratic unions do a have central role to play in the vital necessity of getting these out of control corporations back in line.
Either that or just come on the air and admit that in spite of all your rhetoric about liberty and the need to get back the principles of our founding fathers, that in the end you are just another little self-serving corporatist bitch.

I agree about the Walmart Problem wholeheartedly. I’m not a fan of unions but the rest is absolutely right. Also it is hypocritical to complain about manufacturing jobs going to China and WORKING people who are nonetheless poor, receiving Food Stamps and then wanting a Wal-Mart so the hypocrites can pay low prices. You are getting your bargains on the backs of your hardworking countrymen. You can’t feast on the 89 cent a pound chicken from the Supercenter and then rant about illegal immigration. When you send your unemployed Harvard grad children to work in those chicken plants to pay back their FED subsidized student loans because ALL honest work is worthwhile, then you can enjoy your ill gotten goods.
I remember when “Mr. Sam” was still alive and for a few years after that, you would walk into a Wal-Mart and see signs saying “whenever possible, we will only sell goods manufactured in the USA.” Too bad his children could not resist greed and the degenerate life style it creates.

So yo see Naseem, (is this a female, or male name?) It sounds like female, so I will relate in the feminine. I have a husband who survived the Muslim terrorist attack down there. He ran in when huge buildings were falling to the ground, in fact he just made it under a fire truck when building number 7 came falling down. The landing gear from one of the planes flew through the air and right into the building they want to call Park 51…originally called Cordoba house.
They claim that this proposed mosque/community center is not close enough to be considered part of ground zero. They claim that they must build it and not cave into the demands of those
who wish to stir up hate against Muslims. They feel it’s their duty to ignore the cries of
those who plead for it not to be built near the site of the worst attack on American soil in our nations history performed in the name of Allah. They said they would raise the money to build this place by private investors in the USA and overseas. The controversy about who was going to finance this place grew stonger and those of us concerned about it were asking
that Imam Rauf show us where the money is coming from, Andrew Cuomo was asked to investigate the money trail, and now, again, another in your face America!, middle finger, huge
disrespectful display of hatred is happening because El Gamal and Rauf are asking for
finances from a fund the was created with tax payer money to rebuild the area at ground zero.
People are pissed off and they should be. Today, El Gamal and Rauf claim that their proposed center is part of ground zero because they are going after the money that is specifically for
it. Yesterday their center wasn’t anywhere near ground zero, two whole city blocks away, and today it is part of it. What do you think Americans will do with that, sleep on it?
Americans will not just turn a blind eye. Those NYC firefighters are sickened by the idea that
all those days they dug for their brothers, their sisters, civilians, finding nothing but
body parts, memories of human beings faces barely attached to skulls, fingers here, leg there,
rubble as high as the eyes could see, the air was thick with human ash, toxic poisons, layers
of white/gray ash all around and nothing but despair. Do you think it’s not that big of a deal
to them? My husband thinks this is a huge deal, and it is and huge deal.
Imam Rauf is not someone who should be building a mosque there, he needs to go see a priest and
confess to a priest his human rights abuses concerning those tenants that he allowed to live
in squalor while he took 2 million dollars worth of tax payer money so that he could make necessary repairs to improve the living conditions for his tenants, but instead no repairs were made, his building were taken over by the City. El Gamal said that to be a good Muslim you
have to be a good Jew or a good Christian, well then, both he and Imam Rauf should go and
confess about the way they deal with finances and how not meeting your obligations to other
people concerning money and finances hurts them, how it impacts the lives of others. He should
not be preachng anything at all as an Imam when in a Mosque when he was responsible for
lives he didn’t care red cent about. So Naseem, sweetie, Yeah…It is a huge deal, it’s a big
friggen deal, and if you don’t know why by now, you will never!

By the way, for someone who so embraces Sharia law and Sharia finance as Imam Rauf
he certainly has no problem with capitalism and free market values and borrowing
money and neither does El Gamal. The way they have done business in America, not
paying rent, not paying taxes, not making repairs after taking 2 million
doesn’t sound very Sharia to me. Sharia finance is strict about paying back what
you owe and about borrowing on credit etc. One would think if these values are
so ingrained in a persons belief system, it wouldn’t matter what system you
were working under, by virtue of your belief system you would adhere to the
most responsible form of borrowing and paying back that you yourself hold so
near and dear. When you take something without paying it back, or without
meeting your obligation, it’s pretty much stealing and both men are to old
not to know that stealing is wrong in any language.

Season’s greetings from Michael Bloomberg’s Allahmart
Oh you better watch out … you better go pray
Better stay away from those friends who are gay
Shariah Law is coming to town.
Oh we’re making a switch .. and lashing you twice
Gonna cleanse the world of unbelief and vice
Shariah law is coming to town.
We’ll unhand you if you’re thieving
We’ll stone you if unchaste
We’ll know if you resisted or not
So submit for Allah’s sake
Oh. you better watch out, you better go pray
Better cover those arms or your skin we will flay
Shariah law is coming to town

: I agree!NYC Mayor Bloomberg, refuses to allow “Walmart” in New York City. Ground Zero Mosque, he’s all for that. Please read this article and help the protest set for 12/14/2010. This is pure madness Mr. Mayor, you’re for “Sharia Law; but not Walmart. America, had enough yet…??

The point is not if Walmart is a great company or not.
The point is that a “We’ve conquered you” mosque on the grounds of the defenseless slaughter of innocent people can’t even compare to building a store. Yet the sore building is refuted on basis of discrimination and treatment of women, yet the mosque has all doors being opened to it.
I think there is no argument of Islamic discrimination towards women and infidels(anyone not a muslim)>

That is creative. No BS. Very creative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-e6_Bdzyc
this SPEECH IS ALL YOU NEED AWESOME TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!

PLZ COMMENT ON THIS VIDEO lol!!!!

I meant, Livingengine, for my comment to appear in response to Naseem. My apologies to you. I guess I chose the wrong “reply” button.

Part of the mosque is still named “The Cordoba Project,” it is the prayer center that will be run by iman Rauf. There is a muslim significance to the name “Park51,” too. It is a hadith or something that is about victory over one’s enemies – 51 Park is NOT the address of the building site.
Have you seen the proposed facade of the mosque? It is a bunch of tumbling Stars of David and what could be parts of five-pointed American stars falling and crumbling to the ground. What an interesting choice of design.

Hello To all If you New yorkers allow Wall mart in New York we will do our best to bring Wall mart in India. It means more money to American business house.

Nigel Farage – (28-29 october ’10)(3:30) the end game is up!!!
just who the hell do you people think you are?!?!
“untold millions will suffer for your euro-dream to continue — well it WON’T work!”
’cause if you rob people of their identity, if you rob people of their democracy – then ALL they’re left with is Nationalism and VIOLENCE’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyq7WRr_GPg
beck played some of this wed (12-01-10) and some friday am. wednesday night is a hour long savor
http://www.watchglennbeck.com/video/2010/December/glenn-beck-show-december-1-2010-the-rise-and-fall-of-rome/
sorry to hi-jack, Atlas

Personally…..I would be willing to help them pack up all 3800 Walmart stores in America and send them to India…..better yet Malaysia,Laos and Zaire. They have plenty of space on all those empty container ships they use to import their “low price” goods, based on lower labor, safety and environmental standards. Indeed, I would be happy enough to stack up their large numbers of corporate and managerial collaborators who have sold their souls to this evil corporation for the voyage back across the pacific. Let them see how well they do without a middle class to prey upon. If we keep letting them go….keep waging economic war on our middle and working classes….they,and we, will find out soon enough anyway. But then they will just move the focus of their business to likes of China, but at least in China they do not fight unions….so maybe their workers will at least get something out of it besides ruthless exploitation.

I hope your joking.
The economic destruction, you are talking about, must be pushing out the stores that gouge you. You are basically playing protectionism. If you believe that things at Walmart are sub-par don’t buy them. If they are selling same item cheaper then next guy, then all that means is that you can use the savings elsewhere and making your life better. As a liberal you should gloat that some capitalist will get less revenue.
As far as the mosque that is destruction of human principles. Same principals that make people say thank you after something nice is done for them. When one commits a crime, and then is trying to apologize for the wrong doing (as that is what imam will let you believe) a normal person would respect the victims point of view, not push theirs on them. The behavior of the mosque builder goes against any respectable behavior.
The comparison is not between the two behaviors, but at the fact that building permits of those structures are both in the hands of the same man/garbage. While protecting other businessmen seems ok to him, apparently protecting the victim of a crime is not. What he is really protecting is his business ties to the arab countries.

yeah…well….I don’t shop at wal-mart.
I am not a liberal….I am anarchist…lol…or a ultra libertarian if you prefer (a libertarian without enough property to need to a government to protect it for me).
And would 9/11 have ever even happen if not for the need to protect business ties to Saudi Arabia in 1990/91. Was that not the origin of the problem. If we had responded with the alternative energy strategies that we are only now beginning to bring online in 1973 with the first oil embargo would any of that ever have happened? No. We fought a lopsided war to protect the interests of BP, Exxon-Mobil, Haliburton and all the rest. It seemed fairly cheap in terms of human life at the time….but the long term costs were much greater.
The socially and ecologically responsible Liberty of our hunting and gathering ancestors that we have been striving to restore for the last 400 years or so is the fundamental human principle. I assume such Liberty would also include the right to practice Islam. Wouldn’t you?
Or is Liberty just for white christian folks?

The majority of those women….if you bothered to ask them would say that they do not mind being “slapped to the basement”. It is “normal” to them….the product of their socialization into the culture they were born into.
You can’t really evaluate cultural norms outside of their total cultural context.
I am not saying that I personally agree with Islamic thought on many issues. But your norms of “equality” are also culturally learned. And like those Muslim women who resist their repression their are many Western women who freely give up the idea of equality in favor of the less ambiguous role of the “submissive” wife, sub, slave….etc.

Here, here.
That is what I am saying…both in the right wing blogs and the left wing ones. Where the horns of the Left and Right curve back towards each other….there is common ground. The center is where Big Finance’s economic-political power is manifested.

this vid sums up johnsons’ 13 bankers thoughts to a brief extent-I suggest watching it to its finish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYVtPa06toE
this is Johnsons’ website…
http://baselinescenario.com/
We need another TR. This battle with Big Finance has only just begun, and probably will become a major issue over the next twenty years. wall-Mart is peanuts as a “problem.” It’s not a problem-unless Shop-Rite is also a problem.

If you left all other things aside and just looked on an economic basis the Ground Zero Mosque will being very few jobs to the city , will be completely tax exempt and wide up costing the city money. On the other hand a Walmart will bring in jobs, bring tax dollars to the city and state and allow the people in the area to shop and save money. Its a no brainer , unless your Bloomberg who is bed with the Saudis. Then it makes sense to stab your city, religion, and culture in the back.

The Virgins are urging — Don’t be a martyr to high prices
Come to Allah Mart’s New Year’s Muslim Madness sale
We’re blowing out the doors!!!

Gee Al, I’m devastated. Don’t EVER lol me or call me a name again or I’ll have no alternative but to see it your way (Ba doompada CHING!)